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Post by Fernando on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 7:44 am

Tonight's WWE RAW opens with the usual intro video. We're live from the Bridgestone Arena in Nashville, Tennessee with Michael Cole, JBL and Booker T.

- We go right to the ring and out comes Randy Orton to a big pop. We see stills from Orton's return at Fastlane last night as he makes his way to the ring. Orton takes the mic and fans chant his name. Orton says he's got something to get off his chest. Orton asks if anyone has noticed he's been out of action for 4 months. He blames it on Seth Rollins and The Authority. Orton shows us what happened back in November when we last saw him on RAW. Orton says he's been replaying that scene in his head and he's here to tell the world that he's just now getting started. He says Rollins got away at Fastlane but it's just a stay of execution. Orton tells Rollins to get his ass out to the ring now. Triple H's music hits instead and out he comes with Stephanie McMahon, Kane and Big Show. Stephanie welcomes Orton back and says he made a hell of a return at Fastlane and has made another big return tonight. She says that's the Randy Orton everybody loves. She gets fans to chant his name again. She says that Orton is the one she wants as the face of WWE. Orton says he's not a part of this family, not a part of The Authority and won't be forgiving Rollins. Orton says he's going to bash Rollins' head in. Stephanie is confident Orton can forgive Rollins. She says Orton left them no choice back in November. She says they're all willing to forgive him. Stephanie tells Orton to come back home and fans start a "no!" chant. Orton says that's tempting but he'd rather kick some ass than kiss some ass. Big Show tries to talk but fans boo him heavily. Big Show tells Orton he understands the anger because he's had to put some to the side also. Show says joining The Authority was the best personal decision he's ever made. Fans chant "you sold out" at Show. Orton says he's not interested in selling out. Stephanie tells Orton he's not a good guy and never has been one. A RKO chant breaks out as Stephanie gets in Orton's face and yells. Stephanie wants to talk this out like professionals so Orton can do what's right and come back home. Fans chant "no!" again. Stephanie asks Orton if he will listen and he just crosses his arms. They go to leave the ring but Triple H just stares Orton down for a minute. Triple H's music hits as the group heads to the back and Orton looks on. Orton takes the mic and stops them. Orton says he will come to their business meeting in the back. He drops the mic and looks on.

- Still to come - what's next for John Cena. Also, we will hear from Roman Reigns.

Bad News Barrett vs. Dolph Ziggler

We go to the ring and out comes WWE Intercontinental Champion Bad News Barrett, without his belt. We go to commercial. Back from the break and we see stills from Barrett vs. Dean Ambrose at Fastlane. Barrett is in the ring cutting a promo and calls Ambrose a common thief. Barrett says he's the champion and wants his property back. Dolph Ziggler's music interrupts and out he comes for a non-title match. We see R-Truth on commentary. Truth came out during the commercial and is here because he got a win over Barrett last Thursday. They lock up but Barrett drops Ziggler with a big right hand. Barrett takes control and beats Ziggler around the ring. Barrett drops Ziggler for a 2 count. Ziggler comes back with a neckbreaker and an elbow drop for 2. Barrett counters in the corner and delivers a big kick to Ziggler's chest. Barrett with another 2 count. Barrett drapes Ziggler over the top rope and works him over. Barrett with a running knee and another 2 count. Barrett with knees to the back. Ziggler looks to make a comeback but Barrett drops him again. Barrett with more strikes. Barrett whips Ziggler hard into the corner and he goes down. Barrett with a 2 count. Barrett misses a big boot and gets hung up on the ropes. Ziggler kicks him to the floor and we go to commercial.

Back from the break and Ziggler is fighting to his feet. Barrett runs into a right hand in the corner. Ziggler leaps onto Barrett and mounts him with right hands as fans count along. Barrett blocks a neckbreaker and goes for Wasteland but Ziggler turns it into a DDT for a 2 count. During the break, Barrett threw Ziggler into Truth. Ziggler jumps on Barrett's back but gets tossed. Barrett levels Ziggler and powerbombs him for another 2 count. Barrett readies for a Bullhammer elbow but Ziggler ducks it and rolls him up for 2. Ziggler with a kick to the gut. The Fame-asser is blocked. Barrett misses a boot but hits Winds of Change for another 2 count. Barrett with stomps in the corner now. Barrett catches a superkick and goes for Wasteland but Ziggler slides out and rolls him up for 2. Barrett charges but hits the ring post. Ziggler nails a Zig Zag for the win.

Winner: Dolph Ziggler

- After the match, Dean Ambrose comes out to a pop. He has Barrett's title belt. Ambrose taunts Barrett and talks trash while Barrett is down in the corner. Ambrose turns around and Ziggler is standing there. They both look at the Intercontinental Title. Ambrose leaves the ring and still has possession of the belt as Barrett looks on.

- We see stills from the Fastlane confrontation between Sting and Triple H. Still to come, a special look at Sting.

- Seth Rollins is backstage with the rest of The Authority and Randy Orton. Stephanie thanks them for coming. Rollins interrupts and says they can't really be bringing Orton back. Stephanie yells at Rollins for disrespecting her and asks if he has a problem because she's a woman. She tells him to stand down. Kane chimes in. Stephanie goes on and Rollins asks how they're supposed to trust Orton again. Stephanie asks Orton if he's able to move forward. Orton extends his hand and Rollins shakes it. Triple H has been looking on with his arms crossed. Stephanie announces Orton and Rollins vs. Reigns and Bryan for tonight. Stephanie thanks them and we go to commercial.

- Still to come, a look at Sting and Triple H. Back to commercial.

Darren Young and Titus O'Neil vs. The Ascension

Back from the break and The Prime Time Players are doing their dance. Konnor and Viktor of The Ascension are out next. We see a sidebar video from earlier where The Ascension dissed 2015 Hall of Famers The Bushwhackers and The Prime Time Players. Young starts off with Viktor and gets taken to the corner. Konnor comes in for some double teaming and they continue the beatdown on Young in the corner. Konnor with a big right hand and an uppercut. Konnor with more stomps in the corner. Viktor tags in with chops and a suplex for a 2 count. Viktor with a headlock as Titus tries to get fans to rally. Konnor comes back in with a double shoulder and a 2 count. Young tries for a tag but Konnor pull him back and knocks Titus off the apron. Konnor turns around and Young fights back. Young with a clothesline and a belly to belly throw. Young yells that this is his house but Konnor counters and sends him hard into the corner. Viktor tags in and it looks like they botch a double team move for a 2 count. Titus runs in and knocks Konnor out but gets sent to the floor also. Young ends up rolling Viktor up for The Ascension's first loss.

Winners: Darren Young and Titus O'Neil

- After the match, they attack Young and fight off Titus. The Ascension hits Fall of Man on Young and pose over him as their music hits.

- Still to come, Roman Reigns. Back to commercial.

- Back from the break and we get a look at The Rock at the Oscars.

- We go to the ring and #1 contender Roman Reigns makes his way through the crowd to a pop. We see stills from his match against Daniel Bryan at Fastlane. Reigns says it's been one hell of a month. He talks about winning the Royal Rumble and then defeating Daniel Bryan at Fastlane. Reigns declares that he's going to WrestleMania. Reigns says he knows a lot of people were rooting for the other guy but to all of his doubters... Bryan's music interrupts and out he comes to a pop. Bryan says he didn't mean to interrupt, wait yes he did. Bryan says he knew Reigns deserved to get the shot last night but like a lot of these fans, he just booed inside. Bryan says he is the biggest Roman Reigns doubter there is. Bryan talks about Reigns has the look and size. He's seen a bunch of guys who have that but don't have half the heart that he does. Bryan says that's why fans don't like Reigns and a "yes!" chant starts. Bryan says that's why he didn't like Reigns. Bryan says he gave the match everything he had and then some but still couldn't do it. Bryan doesn't regret a thing because he gave it all he had. Bryan says Reigns proved to him that Reigns has more heart than he ever thought. Bryan talks about how they fought last night and says, "sir, you beat me." Bryan congratulates Reigns and extends his hand. They shake. Bryan says if there's one Superstar he wants to team with in the main event tonight, it's Reigns. Bryan tells Reigns to go beat the crap out of Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania 31. Bryan drops the mic and leaves to a pop as his music plays. As Bryan is making his way up the ramp, out comes Paul Heyman. Heyman lets Bryan walk to the back before walking down to the ring and introducing himself. Heyman says he's not here to cause trouble. He congratulates Reigns on his impressive victory at Fastlane. Heyman says his money would always be on Reigns, no matter what man he faced. Heyman praises Reigns and says he would take him over several others including John Cena, Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan and Bruno Sammartino. Heyman says he picked Reigns to win the Rumble and to defeat Bryan last night. Heyman says Reigns is the guy. Heyman points up at the WrestleMania banner and says Reigns is the right guy in the right place at the wrong time because Reigns isn't fighting a man at WrestleMania, he's fighting a beast. Heyman says he has so much respect for Reigns but Reigns can't slay his beast, can't conquer the conqueror. Heyman says Lesnar will be announced as champion after the WrestleMania main event. Heyman gets closer to Reigns. Reigns asks him to stand in a different spot. Reigns tells Heyman to tell him one more time that he can't. Reigns tells Heyman to give him some more motivation. Reigns says he's going to beat Brock at WrestleMania. Reign says respect goes out the window because it's not about beating Lesnar, it's about how he's going to beat Lesnar. Reigns tells Heyman to believe that and lets him leave the ring as his music hits.

- The announcers plug the WWE Network's birthday week. Still to come, Reigns and Bryan vs. Rollins and Orton. Also, The Usos will get their rematch from Fastlane. Back to commercial.

WWE Tag Team Title Match: The Usos vs. Cesaro and Tyson Kidd

Back from the break and out comes The Usos to get their rematch. Naomi joins them. New WWE Tag Team Champions Cesaro and Tyson Kidd are out next with Natalya. Cesaro starts off with Jimmy Uso. Uso goes for an early pin attempt. Cesaro comes back and tags in Kidd. They double team but end up getting dropped for a pin attempt. Kidd ends up putting Natalya in the way. More back and forth. Uso turns Kidd upside down in the corner and charges for another 2 count. Kidd dumps Uso to the floor. He jumps from the apron onto both Usos and they catch him. The Usos toss Kidd into the barrier and backdrop Cesaro on the floor. They bring Kidd back in for a 2 count as Cesaro breaks the pin. Jimmy knocks Cesaro over the top. Jey goes to the top and hits a crossbody on Kidd for a 2 count as we go to commercial.

Back from the break and we see Cesaro hit a big uppercut during the break. Kidd comes off the top with an elbow now but Jey gets his knees up. Cesaro comes in and knocks Uso off the apron but gets rolled up. Cesaro drops Jey for another 2 count. Cesaro with the Cesaro Swing as Kidd comes in for the 2 count. Kidd takes Jimmy back out. Cesaro tags in to double team Jey. Cesaro takes Jey to the top and decks him. Cesaro tags in Kidd and climbs back up with Uso. Uso turns it around and slams Cesaro to the mat. Uso hits a big splash on Cesaro but Cesaro isn't the legal man. Kidd breaks that pin with a big elbow drop for a 2 count. Uso misses a splash in the corner. Kidd goes for a pin and uses the ropes for leverage. Naomi pushes his legs off the rope. Natalya comes over and takes Naomi down. Uso goes to the top after a superkick but Natalya crotches him for the disqualification.

Winners by DQ: The Usos

- Naomi runs over and takes Natalya down before the winners are announced. Natalya looks to be hurt as Kidd and Cesaro check on her. Kidd helps Natalya to the back as we get replays.

- Back from a break and we get a look at Vince McMahon's Muscle & Fitness cover.

- The Miz and Damien Sandow are backstage. Miz is upset over how his jacket was packed because there's lint on it. Miz mentions how he needs to win the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal. Sandow thanks Miz because he's been receiving offers and phone calls from agents since Miz fired him from being his stunt double.

- We get a look at Bray Wyatt's challenge to The Undertaker. We go backstage to Wyatt and the coffin he had at Fastlane. Wyatt cuts a promo on The Undertaker and says he's going to finish the job at WrestleMania. Wyatt says he knows Taker is afraid but there's no reason to hide. Wyatt says it's better down here. He shuts the coffin lid and tells Taker to find him.

Stardust vs. Jack Swagger

We go to the ring and out comes Stardust. We go to commercial.

Back from the break and Jack Swagger is making his way out. Stardust strikes first and unloads on Swagger in the corner. Stardust has on his usual attire and not the tights from Fastlane. Swagger comes back and takes out the knee. Stardust counters a Swagger Bomb and goes for a Disaster Kick but Swagger grabs him for the Patriot Lock. Stardust makes it to the rope and turns it back around. Goldust's music hits and out he comes. Swagger takes advantage of the distraction and makes Stardust tap out.

Winner: Jack Swagger

- Fans taunt Stardust wit a "Cody" chant after the match as he throws a fit and Goldust looks on.

- We see stills from John Cena vs. Rusev at Fastlane. Still to come, Cena will be here live. Back to commercial.

- Back from the break and out comes John Cena to a big mixed reaction. Cena says Fastlane was one of the last stops on the road to WrestleMania and with the WWE Universe on the edge of their seats, Rusev took him to the limit. Cena says for the first time in his career, he had Rusev looking into the eyes of defeat. Cena says it was a true championship contest. Cena mentions the low blow that Rusev hit him with. Cena says he has no problem with losing but he has a problem with Rusev parading around like some kind of hero. Cena says Rusev proved he's nothing more than a coward. Rusev's music hits and out comes the WWE United States Champion with Lana. Lana speaks from the stage and says "we told you so." Lana tells the fans to shut up and tells Cena he failed last night. Like all Americans, Cena gave up. Lana praises Rusev and says Cena was humbled by him. We see a photo of Vladimir Putin on the big screen and fans boo some more. A USA chant starts as Rusev grabs the mic. Rusev says he broke Cena at Fastlane. Rusev says it's his time now and nobody can beat him. Rusev tells Cena to admit he is beneath Rusev and that Rusev is better. Rusev wants Cena to admit Rusev and Russia are better than Cena and America. Cena tells Rusev he better watch his ass when talking about the United States of America. Lana mocks him. She says his whole life is just a lie. She shows us a photo of Cena face down in the mat after losing last night. Cena fires back with a promo about fighting. Cena rips Rusev and says he's no hero. Cena says Rusev is garbage and it's time to take the trash out. Cena says he's going to bring the US Title home where it belongs. Cena says he's going to beat Rusev's ass at WrestleMania 31. Rusev says Cena doesn't deserve a rematch and his answer for WrestleMania is no. Rusev's music hits and a Russian flag drops down over Cena in the ring. Rusev and Lana head to the back as Cena exits the ring.

- We get a look back at Seth Rollins and The Authority from earlier tonight. Rollins, Joey Mercury and Jamie Noble walk up on Orton backstage. Orton says if Rollins wants to talk strategy, he needs to leave his pets at the door and Rollins dismisses them. Orton says consider them on the same page for the sake of what's best for business. Rollins says that's great and they can forget about the past. Orton said there's not a chance in hell he will forget what happened but they shake hands and are ready for the main event. Rollins walks off and Orton looks on.

- Still to come, a special look at Sting.

Paige and Emma vs. The Bella Twins

We go to the ring and out comes Paige. Back to commercial.

Back from the break and Cole shows us an in-depth video package on Sting. The announcers hype Sting vs. Triple H at WrestleMania 31 as Emma makes her entrance. WWE Divas Champion Nikki Bella and Brie Bella are out next. Brie starts off with Emma, who has to calm Paige down first. Paige is yelling at Nikki for being a cheater and Brie shoves her off the apron. This distracts Emma, allowing Brie to drop her on her face for the very quick win.

Winners: The Bella Twins

- After the bell, Paige comes in for Brie but Nikki lays her out. Nikki tells Paige to keep her hands off her sister and raises the title up. The Bella Twins leave as fans boo.

- Still to come, the next 2015 Hall of Fame announcement. Back to commercial.

- Back from the break and we get the 2015 Hall of Fame video for The Bushwhackers.

Curtis Axel vs. Ryback

We go to the ring and Curtis Axel is pointing at the WrestleMania 31 sign. He takes the mic and tells us not to turn the channel. Axel talks about how he's been in the Rumble match for over 29 days because he still hasn't been eliminated. The AxelMania movement is alive and well. He deserves his WrestleMania moment and is now entering himself into the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal. Ryback interrupts and makes his way out. Ryback comes out and cuts a promo. He also announces himself for the Andre Battle Royal at WrestleMania. The bell rings and they go at it. Axel unloads and beats Ryback into the ropes. Axel runs his mouth and Ryback hits a big clothesline. Ryback hits Shellshocked and covers for the easy win.

Winner: Ryback

- Still to come, Orton and Rollins vs. Reigns and Bryan. Back to commercial.

- Back from the break and Ziggler, Ryback and Rowan vs. Rollins, Show and Kane is announced for SmackDown.

Seth Rollins and Randy Orton vs. Roman Reigns and Daniel Bryan

We go to the ring and out comes Seth Rollins with Joey Mercury and Jamie Noble. Rollins gives a big introduction to his partner Randy Orton and out he comes. Roman Reigns is out first for his team and he comes through the crowd to a pop. Daniel Bryan is out next to the biggest pop of the four. Back from a break and the bell rings. Bryan and Rollins start things off. Bryan takes Rollins down with a knee to the gut and applies a surfboard. Reigns tags in and slams Rollins while he's in the surfboard. Rollins slides out of a scoop slam and tags in Orton. They lock up and Reigns applies a headlock. Reigns drops Orton with a shoulder. Reigns runs the ropes and Orton hits a dropkick as Kane and Big Show applaud from ringside. Orton turns it around on Reigns now. Reigns comes out of the corner with a big clothesline and tags in Bryan. Reigns holds Bryan as he comes off the top. Bryan works on Orton's arm now. Orton counters and works over Bryan now. Rollins tags in and keeps Bryan down. Bryan blocks a right hand and fires back with shots of his own. Rollins connects with a kick but Bryan dumps him to the floor. Bryan goes for a dive but Orton rushes Rollins to safety and Bryan puts on the brakes. The Authority meets to discuss strategy as Bryan looks on from the ring and we go to commercial.

Back from the break and Orton is in control of Reigns in the ring. Reigns was beat up at ringside during the break. Reigns knocks Rollins in the mouth now but Orton takes him back to the corner and works him over. Reigns fights back but Orton hits a big clothesline out of the corner. Rollins tags in and mounts Reigns with right hands on the mat. Reigns fights back and catches Rollins with a big side slam. Bryan gets a tag finally and knocks Orton to the floor. Bryan unloads on Rollins and clotheslines him after running the ropes. Bryan with kicks while Rollins is on his knees as fans do the "yes!" chant. Rollins ducks a kick and rolls Bryan up for 2. Bryan turns that into a Yes Lock. Orton comes in and breaks it up. Reigns runs in and decks Orton. Reigns sends Orton to the floor. Rollins knocks Reigns out of the ring. Bryan tosses Rollins to the floor and dives out, sending him into the barrier. Bryan brings him back in and goes to the top. The Stooges provide distraction and Rollins crotches Bryan on the top.

Rollins with a 2 count on Bryan. Orton comes in and keeps up the offense on Bryan. Orton with headbutts and uppercuts in the corner until the referee backs him off. Orton whips Bryan hard into the corner and he goes down. Orton takes Bryan to the top and climbs up for a superplex. Bryan fights him off and headbutts Orton to the mat. Bryan goes for the diving headbutt but Orton rolls out of the way. Rollins and Reigns tag in at the same time. Reigns strikes first and hits a big flying forearm. Reigns with big strikes in the corner as fans count along. Reigns drops Rollins on his face and calls for the Superman punch. Mercury gets on the apron eats it instead. Rollins takes advantage of the distraction and Reigns goes down. Orton tags in and goes at it with Reigns. Orton hits his trademark powerslam as Big Show cheers him on. Orton goes for the draping DDT but Rollins tags himself in and Orton doesn't like it. Orton hits the DDT anyway and gets out of the ring peed off. Orton says "screw this" as Kane and Show try to calm him down. Reigns dodges a Curb Stomp and hits the Superman punch on Rollins. Bryan tags himself in and Reigns just laughs it off. Bryan hits the knee on Rollins for the win.

Winners: Daniel Bryan and Roman Reigns

- After the bell, Orton looks on as Kane talks him down. Bryan's music hits as he and Reigns celebrate some. Rollins recovers in the ring as Orton paces around at ringside. The camera goes black and all we can see is the USA Network logo. The feed comes back on and we see Orton standing in the corner of the ring while Rollins tries to get to his feet. Orton walks over to Rollins but Noble comes in and Orton hits him with a RKO. Orton picks Rollins up in the corner, looks at him and just leaves the ring as fans boo. Orton's music hits as Rollins looks on shocked. We go back to the announcers for a WWE Network plug. RAW goes off the air with The Authority talking in the ring after another set of replays

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers ahead

Post by TheCultOfPersonality on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 2:19 pm

This was a pretty dull Raw considering we're in "Wrestlemania Season".

No Sting, Taker or Lesnar put a downer on things. Although Heyman's exchange with Reigns was really good. Heymans "Right guy, right place, wrong time" quote just somes up the whole situation. That being said, I'm really looking forward to Reigns/Lesnar, such a new and fresh main event.

Why are they doing this Orton back in the authority stuff again, didn't they do this before he was "injured",  it's obvious he's gonna take out Rollins.

It looks like were gonna have a triple threat/fatal four way for the intercontinental championship. Really disappointed if Ziggler is involved as he could have literally, stole the show with Daniel Bryan.

On a lesser note, I hate the fact Kidd and Cesaro are using Cesaro's theme song! Tysons Kidds theme is awesome.

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers ahead

Post by owen10ozzy on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 2:26 pm

Underwhelming Raw on the whole as has been said above. A few bright spots...Heyman was exceptional as always. Think they did the right thing with the Bryan/Reigns segment and I liked the fact Reigns threw in the faceplant style move (the timing of it seemed like a two fingers to the guy shouting you can't wrestle)...also Cody was excellent again. That guy is for want of a better word....Goldust Wink

It's quite clear they aren't sure what to pull the trigger on regards Rollins....something gimmicky with Mr Stewart...or just a feud with Orton...sadly I can see us getting a bit of both. J&J ringside for Rollins...Stewart for Orton..which whilst fits the scenario does nothing for Ortons apex/serious character.

We also had absolutely no hint as to Bryans role at mania....and i think we are definitely losing him and Ziggler to some pointless Intercontinental match/Andre Giant battle royale. Should the WWE go that route they risk losing the fans before the main event matches of Mania even get underway.

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers ahead

Post by Samo on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 4:47 pm

owen10ozzy wrote:
We also had absolutely no hint as to Bryans role at mania....and i think we are definitely losing him and Ziggler to some pointless Intercontinental match/Andre Giant battle royale. Should the WWE go that route they risk losing the fans before the main event matches of Mania even get underway.

How do you book Bryan vs Ziggler and make it have a point though? Neither man has anything the other wants. It would just be a 'who's the better man match' that wouldnt do much for either guy. I dont mind Ziggler being in a four way match for the IC title, especially given the other 3 men. That should be a pretty good match. Ambrose and Barrett need no justification, and I think Truth is pretty under-rated, he's capable of putting on a good match for a guy his age.

I dont mind Bryan being in the Battle Royal, but like I said before it needs to be for something.

I'd rather both of those guys in these matches before a match against each other.

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers ahead

Post by owen10ozzy on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 6:14 pm

Samo - You kind of hint on both the best way to book it and the problem with WWE at times all in one there. Not every match has to have something attached to it; a petty feud, a belt (which lets face it will hardly be booked properly after Mania), or some battle royale which has just been given a rose tinted name to make it seem worthwhile. Again post mania a win in the Andre Giant will mean very little (just ask Cesaro).

The easiest way to book Bryan vs Ziggler is to just say it as it is....two guys who want to steal the show and prove to the authority and everyone else backstage that they are the best wrestlers in the WWE today.

From time to time there is nothing wrong with some good old fashioned, high quality wrestling match....and the crowd these days are growing more vocal to wanting to see such a thing. I mentioned in another thread....how often do you see Ironman matches these days? Barely ever...reason being a) not enough high calibre stars who could pull such a match off b) WWE always need some stupid 'object of the month on a pole' match or other nonsense.

I honestly think WWE are playing a dangerous game if they go the way it seems they are going...throwing two of..if not the...most over stars in the WWE today into matches whereby not only do people not care much for the object at stake...but where time to shine would be limited, it's plain awful booking and could backfire horrendously on the night.

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers ahead

Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 7:02 pm

Ziggler being in the IC is a cracking idea.

And I think you're underestimating how important real storytelling is. As far as im concerned you dont have two guys fight cos they wanna show they're good at WrestleMania. In and out of kayfabe that doesnt work for the stage WrestleMania is meant to be.

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers ahead

Post by owen10ozzy on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 7:11 pm

I'd agree with you wholeheartedly if either of the mid-card belts were booked like they meant something ...even the US title which can be at times under Rusev always end up playing a back seat to US/political storyline itself. The same goes for Andre Giant Battle Royale...

What have any of those things done for anyone in recent times...

The point with regards to Bryan/Ziggler just straight up wrestling would be that both have been shunned from the spotlight of Mania....yet they believe they are the two best workers and deserve to be there....thus they set out to steal the show...that's a story within itself right there and works from both a kayfabe and none kayfabe sense.

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers ahead

Post by Samo on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 7:24 pm

I think both mid card belts are on the up. Cena holding the US title can only be a good thing, and Ambrose has actually gave a reason as to why he wants to be the IC champion as opposed to someone just deciding they want to be.

I think a bigger deal could have been made out of them while Brock was away, but theres no doubt in my mind that they are both being booked as a big deal right now.

The problem I have with Bryan vs Ziggler is that it means either man is taking another pinfall/submission loss at Mania, something which neither of them need right now. I agree with Dolph on this one, I dont have a problem with it in theory, but it doesnt work for Mania, which should be the culmination of feuds or crowning of Champions.

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers ahead

Post by owen10ozzy on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 7:31 pm

Samo wrote:I think both mid card belts are on the up.  Cena holding the US title can only be a good thing, and Ambrose has actually gave a reason as to why he wants to be the IC champion as opposed to someone just deciding they want to be.

I think a bigger deal could have been made out of them while Brock was away, but theres no doubt in my mind that they are both being booked as a big deal right now.

The problem I have with Bryan vs Ziggler is that it means either man is taking another pinfall/submission loss at Mania, something which neither of them need right now.  I agree with Dolph on this one, I dont have a problem with it in theory, but it doesnt work for Mania, which should be the culmination of feuds or crowning of Champions.

Key wording there...right now..! Booking is so on the fly that how do you know they will be 4 months from now?! You don't...and that's always the issues. Past shows that plenty is made to look important on the road into wrestlemania...but once that road is travelled it's back to square one and the titles are pushed aside into the abyss of a muddled and ever changing mid-card scene.

Like i said...i do agree in principle with what Ziggler said and you have backed....but given the history of what's gone before with both of those titles and gimmick matches (battle royale) I have little faith that a match win for Bryan/Ziggler in either of those will do anything for them 6 months from now let alone 12. Especially when you factor in the fact the IC is likely to feature 3 other guys and the Andre Giant is what it is....lots of sitting around...with spots here and there culminating in a quick two minute battle between the final two. Neither of those type of matches give either of two of the biggest stars in the industry at the moment a chance to really shine.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 7:47 pm

It doesnt work in a kayfabe sense because WrestleMania is about having a feud or a story to tell and earning your spot. You shouldnt just have two guys thrown together because they think they'll have a good match, I'm not sure thats much of a story WWE has ever told. They won't have earned anything. In a kayfabe sense they shouldnt be given just any slot as they were against the Authority, and also it does nothing for anyone else. Why do they get to have a match for fun but not Zack Ryder? Not Harper? Not Rowan?

Equally, why should anyone cares who wins? Thats meant to be the biggest part of WWE, really, caring who wins. An exhibition showing doesnt do that at all

Outside of kayfabe it is basically saying theyve got nothing for them and also giving the impression that two people can build a feud just cos they want to.

It also steals time from worthy matches.

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Post by owen10ozzy on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 8:18 pm

What story does an Undertaker match have to say?! None anymore...the streak is gone...thus the man behind the streak holds nothing. A win for Bray does nothing...yet they will still go with it...

What's with the match between Sting and HHH....there is nothing at stake except ego/pride from 20 odd years ago...which lets be frank 70% of the audience have no idea about anyway...or very little and don't particularly care...

I think in modern WWE you could throw a lot of 'who cares' accusations towards plent of matches that are made....it's much more about who is deserving and who does the 'PAYING' audience want to see (this links back to comments I made about the WWE network essentially making the WWE a product over a sport....it's about entertainment & about what the public want from a product they support financially)...they want to see Ziggler...they want to see Bryan...and they do want to see them in bouts which neither have shown any interest/very little interest in the past 6 months or so.

Would you hand on heart sit there and say at this point in time or even afterwards...people would care about a Daniel Bryan Andre Giant Memorial Win? Or indeed a Dolph Ziggler IC win? I don't think so and I don't think anyway could truthfully say differently.

Outside of kayfabe....they have already been told they have nothing for them...hence they are last minute chucking them into feuds/match that 4 weeks ago they were no where near.

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Post by Samo on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 8:29 pm

Bray Wyatt wants to finally end the legacy of the Undertaker, and take on the moniker of Lord of Fear.

Sting cost Triple H his job, and Triple H - while back in power - is still miffed about it.

I'd rather they were 'chucked into' these matches than a random one on one. Just by having a name like Daniel Bryan in it automatically raises the ATGMBR to kind of a big deal, and I dont remember Ziggler ever getting his rematch for the IC Title.

I dont remember a Wrestlemania in the last 15 years having a match on the card 'just because' There should always be something on the line or personal animosity between the two.

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Post by owen10ozzy on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 8:41 pm

Samo wrote:Bray Wyatt wants to finally end the legacy of the Undertaker, and take on the moniker of Lord of Fear.

Sting cost Triple H his job, and Triple H - while back in power - is still miffed about it.

I'd rather they were 'chucked into' these matches than a random one on one.  Just by having a name like Daniel Bryan in it automatically raises the ATGMBR to kind of a big deal, and I dont remember Ziggler ever getting his rematch for the IC Title.

I dont remember a Wrestlemania in the last 15 years having a match on the card 'just because'  There should always be something on the line or personal animosity between the two.

But that's my point....just because it has something on the line doesn't make it Mania worthy EITHER....that also has to built and in neither cases will it have been for Bryan or Ziggler. From either Kayabe or non....it will appear just as it does...that both have been chucked in because there is no where else to go...the fact both can gain something from winning said matches doesn't mean anything in the long scheme because there is little value held in a ATGMBR win (shown by Cesaro over past 12 months) or the IC title....which while you say is being made more important, booking wise in terms of the number of title changes in the past shows little regard for it (in fact in Zigglers last IC chase and win/defense, which started at Battleground July 2014 and ended on 10th Nov 2014....the title changed hands 4 times in 3 and half months...twice it did so on RAW!)...in fact in 2014 the IC title changed hands 7 times and 3 of them weren't on PPV!...longest reign being 56 days...if that doesn't smack as short term booking and devaluing a title not sure what does.

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Post by Guest on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 9:17 pm

Lesnar was backstage last night and wasn't used on TV due to an "major incident" chin

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Post by Fernando on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 9:22 pm

legendkillarV2 wrote:Lesnar was backstage last night and wasn't used on TV due to an "major incident" chin

I will put £5 and my username to say that is some bs made up by Dave Meltzer

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 9:34 pm

Sorry, Owen, its nonsense. Its the basics of booking a wrestling program.

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Post by owen10ozzy on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 9:44 pm

Dave Meltzer noted on the latest episode of Wrestling Observer Radio that there was "more to the story," although he doesn't know what the story is.

"The story is ongoing and still in progress," Meltzer said. "I don't think anyone wants it out until whatever it is is settled... But something happened, but what that is, I do not know."

Meltzer also noted that he doesn't think that the WrestleMania main event is in jeopardy at all, but that there "is an unanswered question, and I don't know what it is right now."

Some real in depth breaking news journalism!! Something happened....not sure what...something definitely did though...but nothings been said though....but it will when everyone is ready....more to it than whats been reported...which is nothing! Doh

OK Ziggler - so your saying that after the past 12 months of both guys and how over they are that the best use of them is one in a battle royal and one in an IC match which he was no where near 4 weeks ago!?! One never actually lost his title...but on the two best matches at last years Mania and since he's been back has been in a match every week...and one of the best since Mania last year in the last PPV (so don't use the injury as an excuse to keep him out of bigger storylines) ....the other was the sole member of a team which ousted the Authority (the biggest storyline in last 12 months)...has overcome and endured insumountable odds much like Bryan during his fight against the authority....and is one of the three most over stars with the crowd..

The fact is you know it isn't and everyone else does...what your saying is that it's the only avenue available for them so that's ok. Despite the fact booking wise/storyline wise...logic wise...and product wise it makes absolutely no sense at all. Just because it may fit in with the kayfabe idea of mania a tiny bit better than just an out and out singles match doesn't make it any more right especially when all other signs point to the booking being just as daft as the idea of a match with nothing but stealing the show on the line.

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Post by Fernando on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 9:50 pm

Hey look at that i was right That being said he was being advertised for yesterday's show pretty much til 30 mins beforehand....

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 24 Feb 2015, 10:09 pm

I think Ziggler fits the IC build considering he's been IC champ this year and is definitely worthy of feuding with Ambrose and would be massively interesting to have them two in a build over something both can have claim to wanting (in and out of kayfabe)

Whilst Bryan hasnt looked set for the Andre Battle Royal as of yet and I would imagine will feud with Sheamus.

I'm saying its a better use than a random match "just because"

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Post by Prometheus on Wed 25 Feb 2015, 11:33 am

I like to think that Brock walked out of the taping because he's convinced he should be facing Axel at WM.
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Post by Adam D on Wed 25 Feb 2015, 11:47 am

Prometheus wrote:I like to think that Brock walked out of the taping because he's convinced he should be facing Axel at WM.
The rumours that we are the same person are going to gain momentum now - I was championing Axel  on the podcast last night too!

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Post by Prometheus on Wed 25 Feb 2015, 11:52 am

I've just started listening to this week's podcast!
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Post by Hero on Wed 25 Feb 2015, 12:17 pm

Adam D wrote:
Prometheus wrote:I like to think that Brock walked out of the taping because he's convinced he should be facing Axel at WM.
The rumours that we are the same person are going to gain momentum now - I was championing Axel  on the podcast last night too!

Naah we've all grown to like Prometheus.

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Post by Shot 21 LCFC on Wed 25 Feb 2015, 2:05 pm

Let me book an end to the argument about whether Dolph Ziggler and Daniel Bryan should go 1 on 1 at Mania.

An 8 man tournament to crown the new number one contender for the WWE World Heavyweight title. The QFs and SFs can be held on Raw and Smackdown over the next month. The final will be at Wrestlemania 31. Have 8 of the top stars minus Roman Reigns of course. Then have Bryan and Ziggler make it to the final.

Your welcome...

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Post by jai.roberts on Wed 25 Feb 2015, 5:25 pm

I've just read on the Dirtsheet app that Brock's relationship with the WWE is becoming strained as they are pressurising him into signing an extension, while he wants to become a free agent so he can evaluate other offers.

Also he earns a high merchandise revenue and they don't sell his merch at all shows so impacting his money.

This is off a dirtsheet so could be wrong

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Post by Prometheus on Wed 25 Feb 2015, 5:43 pm

Adam D wrote:
Prometheus wrote:I like to think that Brock walked out of the taping because he's convinced he should be facing Axel at WM.
The rumours that we are the same person are going to gain momentum now - I was championing Axel  on the podcast last night too!
I was so hoping you'd have pointed out the obvious answer for WWE to Brock leaving the taping. Heath Slater as Fake Brock.
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Post by owen10ozzy on Wed 25 Feb 2015, 6:04 pm

Drug related incident is the rumour doing the rounds; apparently (key word) Reigns has failed a drugs test and Vince failed to dish out any kind of punishment instead choosing to brush past it. Brock Lesnar was seemingly not happy with the decision, thus walked.

Certainely an interesting development if true; the man who the company want's to push as the next star already having strike one before even hitting the main event fully....hardly great media for the WWE and unlikely to sit well with Brock (who no doubt is expected to take the fall) or any of the other top brass who have missed out on top spot for Mania 31.

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Post by Kay Fabe on Wed 25 Feb 2015, 6:22 pm

Shot 21 LCFC wrote:Let me book an end to the argument about whether Dolph Ziggler and Daniel Bryan should go 1 on 1 at Mania.

An 8 man tournament to crown the new number one contender for the WWE World Heavyweight title. The QFs and SFs can be held on Raw and Smackdown over the next month. The final will be at Wrestlemania 31. Have 8 of the top stars minus Roman Reigns of course. Then have Bryan and Ziggler make it to the final.

Your welcome...
That'll be 8 of the top stars who haven't already got WrestleMania matches locked up then?   Sounds like the cream ehh

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 25 Feb 2015, 6:39 pm

Bryan, Ziggler, Cena, Orton, Rollins, Big Show, Kane, Swagger

Cena can get his match ruined by Rusev. Orton would need his match ruined and him then to take it out on Rollins later. Probably have a semi-finals of Kane v Bryan, Swagger v Ziggler.

Still dont like it as it slows down everyone elses builds

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Post by Guest on Thu 26 Feb 2015, 12:37 pm

Re Lesnar. Turns out the dispute is negotiations over a new deal. Meltzer confirmed Vince and Brock wouldn't budge and that Vince addressed the locker room saying it was a disagreement over business and nothing more.

Be interesting to see where this goes. Lesnar has 4 more dates with WWE.

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Post by Hero on Thu 26 Feb 2015, 12:50 pm

Prometheus wrote:
Adam D wrote:
Prometheus wrote:I like to think that Brock walked out of the taping because he's convinced he should be facing Axel at WM.
The rumours that we are the same person are going to gain momentum now - I was championing Axel  on the podcast last night too!
I was so hoping you'd have pointed out the obvious answer for WWE to Brock leaving the taping.  Heath Slater as Fake Brock.

I would mark out if he came out in a Giant Gonzalez style suit (minus the pube wigs).

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Post by NickisBHAFC on Thu 26 Feb 2015, 2:02 pm

Lesnar will have to work them. Just means Reigns or Rollins will leave WWE Champion.

Really hope they get it sorted. Lesnar is the best thing in wrestling in the world.

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Post by Kay Fabe on Sat 28 Feb 2015, 11:19 am

Dolphin Abuser wrote:Bryan, Ziggler, Cena, Orton, Rollins, Big Show, Kane, Swagger

Cena can get his match ruined by Rusev. Orton would need his match ruined and him then to take it out on Rollins later. Probably have a semi-finals of Kane v Bryan, Swagger v Ziggler.

Still dont like it as it slows down everyone elses builds
I didn't include Orton/Rollins in my thinking for the simple reason that the majority can telegraph they'll have a match at WrestleMania locked, I don't like including them in something like this just to arc another storyline, I'd leave them to it by themselves

You don't have to put a title shot on the line for Ziggler and Bryan, a match based on mutual respect where the sole desire is to prove who the best is can be intriguing, like Kurt Angle and Shawn Michaels, this way you could possibly get 2 or 3 matches out of these guys which IMO would stand them in far better posiiton in the long run than feeding one to the new World Champion and the other to deal with another high profile loss

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sat 28 Feb 2015, 11:24 am

I don't like the "feud to see who is better" for WrestleMania, especially not from two faces who have ended up out of the title picture with one of those being not good enough to earn a shot. This late and with the management of Raw as it is, I think it would make little sense in and out of kayfabe, Kay Fabe. The Twitter stuff from Dolph didn't help, it made it seem so pathetic.

Not for Mania, not this late and not with these two guys. Works with a heel and a face and two legends, not dz n db

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Post by Kay Fabe on Sat 28 Feb 2015, 2:30 pm

I think it works with two faces more so than a heel and a face, definitely to begin with anyway, a face will inevitably want to do things the right way so it gives them scope to start off uber respectful then to take it on a completely different road, you can then toy with both of them teasing heel tendencies.

Ideally you'd have something far better with greater substance for both of them at this stage,  particularly the guy who last WrestleMania was built around but it is what it is and If you have genuine hopes of building these two guys up then giving them a #1 contenders match at Mania doesn't do it, it does give them that reason to have a match but afterwords the winner is just fed to Roman Reigns for his first defence and the other goes back to the drawing board after losing a #1 contenders match

I'm totally clueless to what Ziggler tweeted about

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