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Post by Fernando on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:23 pm

It's not a red in any league, You can tell Mourinho after the last game where he moaned about aggresiveness told the players to surround the ref asap as a tackle went in.

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Post by monty junior on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:23 pm

Yea jumping up and down like he got shot, watched a premier league gold match earlier where that challenge would warrant nothing more than a telling off. It was a painful one but Ibra is looking at the ball and just get's there after , not only do Chelsea play ugly football, a moany manager but are just a bunch of complete hypocrites when it comes to "dirty play".

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:24 pm

It's why Chelsea are and always will be the most despicable club in English football, they have no redeeming feature.

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Post by compelling and rich on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:24 pm

typical horrible mourinho team, he's been in the ear of the ref all week whinging. first challenge the players are in the refs ear. sad thing is it works

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Post by Fernando on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:26 pm

David Luiz has taken his revenge and elbowed Diego Costa in the face Laugh

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Post by monty junior on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:26 pm

The main shame is a pretty even and interesting tie is over.

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Post by Fernando on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:28 pm

Costa goes down in the box, No penalty looked one though.

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Post by CFCNick on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:28 pm

Ref bottled that one. Probably making up for the red.

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Post by Fernando on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:30 pm

I don't see how that makes up for being a man light tbh on the basis that even you if scored a pen it changes zilch as PSG still needed to score an away goal anyway.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:31 pm

The more I see that tackle the worse the red card is, barely makes contact if any, clearly pulls his legs back to avoid contact but the scum react like they're coming under artillery fire.

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Post by Fernando on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:35 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:The more I see that tackle the worse the red card is, barely makes contact if any, clearly pulls his legs back to avoid contact but the scum react like they're coming under artillery fire.

The more i watch it the more i think Oscar is the one who left his foot in when see in slow-mo.

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:39 pm

Clear red for Zlatan under the interpretation of modern football - he went in to the challenge off his feet and two-footed. Always a red, these days.

Other than getting that correct, the referee has been poor. No real control of the game, late challenges and sly elbows going in all over the place. Missed a clear penalty.

Oh yeah, and surely more reds on the way. Luiz and Verrati are out of control, Costa has a short fuse.

Still, watching Hazard outclass the PSG defence is always fun.

Chelsea should ease their way through, but PSG may sustain hope on the break.


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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:40 pm

Oscar gets to the ball first. When Ibra realises that he tries to pull out of the tackle, but does still catch Oscar's leg. Yellow would have been understandable, but red is just a terrible decision.

Since then, the ref has completely lost control, Luiz should be off, Chelsea should have had a penalty, and how Verratti is still on the field (let alone not even been booked yet) is a mystery.

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Post by Fernando on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:41 pm

Duty281 wrote:Clear red for Zlatan under the interpretation of modern football - he went in to the challenge off his feet and two-footed. Always a red, these days.

By that theory Oscar should of gone too, Oscar leaves the ground and is studs up.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:43 pm

Duty281 wrote:Clear red for Zlatan under the interpretation of modern football - he went in to the challenge off his feet and two-footed. Always a red, these days.

Other than getting that correct, the referee has been poor. No real control of the game, late challenges and sly elbows going in all over the place. Missed a clear penalty.

Still, watching Hazard outclass the PSG defence is always fun.

Chelsea should ease their way through, but PSG may sustain hope on the break.

You're just wrong, under no interpretation of the laws is that a red card.

Was it reckless? No
Did it use excessive force? No
Was it careless? No

He clearly pulls out of the tackle, makes barely any contact and because of that it is a no to the only three questions that matter.

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:44 pm

Fernando wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Clear red for Zlatan under the interpretation of modern football - he went in to the challenge off his feet and two-footed. Always a red, these days.

By that theory Oscar should of gone too, Oscar leaves the ground and is studs up.

Oscar's left foot was planted when he went in with one foot, fairly.

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Post by Fernando on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:45 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Fernando wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Clear red for Zlatan under the interpretation of modern football - he went in to the challenge off his feet and two-footed. Always a red, these days.

By that theory Oscar should of gone too, Oscar leaves the ground and is studs up.

Oscar's left foot was planted when he went in with one foot, fairly.

Whistle Only thing on the ground here is his hand when he connects with Ibra


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Post by monty junior on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:46 pm

He should send Veratti and Oscar off for being such small midget hooligans! mad

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Post by PaulHv2 on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:46 pm

Duty just stop there because you've made yourself look daft. Was never a red card and Oscar went in with more force and in a more dangerous way.
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Re: UEFA Champions & Europa League 2014-15 Season Thread

Post by Duty281 on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:46 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Clear red for Zlatan under the interpretation of modern football - he went in to the challenge off his feet and two-footed. Always a red, these days.

Other than getting that correct, the referee has been poor. No real control of the game, late challenges and sly elbows going in all over the place. Missed a clear penalty.

Still, watching Hazard outclass the PSG defence is always fun.

Chelsea should ease their way through, but PSG may sustain hope on the break.

You're just wrong, under no interpretation of the laws is that a red card.

Was it reckless? No
Did it use excessive force? No
Was it careless? No

He clearly pulls out of the tackle, makes barely any contact and because of that it is a no to the only three questions that matter.

Was it reckless/careless? Yes, hence why Zlatan tried to pull out, albeit too late.
Excessive force? Indeed, went in with two feet.

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:48 pm

hampo171 wrote:Duty just stop there because you've made yourself look daft. Was never a red card and Oscar went in with more force and in a more dangerous way.

Well, ideally, it would not be a red card.

But this is the modern game, and you shall always get a red for such a challenge, these days.

Not ideal, but the way it is.

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Post by Fernando on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:48 pm

Oscar off for Willian at HT

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Re: UEFA Champions & Europa League 2014-15 Season Thread

Post by Hammersmith harrier on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:49 pm

In short English team in Europe benefit from an awful decision so you feel the need to defend it, the picture Nando has posted clearly shows who was in control and who wasn't.

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Post by whocares on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:49 pm

MFC analysis is spot on in my humble opinion. Ref lost control of the game and the end result for the viewer is appaling. Shame as I was looking forward to this game.

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:50 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:In short English team in Europe benefit from an awful decision so you feel the need to defend it, the picture Nando has posted clearly shows who was in control and who wasn't.

English team? Headscratch

I would not qualify two Englishmen in a team as an "English team."

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Re: UEFA Champions & Europa League 2014-15 Season Thread

Post by Hammersmith harrier on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:51 pm

You do it every time Chelsea play in Europe, you can deny it all you want but you're in the minority of one and you are wrong.

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Post by CFCNick on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:53 pm

You can use a snapshot to prove anything you want. Had a debate on a hockey forum about a player criticised for not tracking back, one guy had a snapshot of a certain second where the player wasn't in frame and could be called "too far away to get there in time", I posted a snapshot of the a later frame in the exact same second and the player clearly had time to get there.

In short you can make a snapshot for every argument.

I'm not defending the red but Oscar did get the ball and this is a European tie. We all know cards are sometimes dished out easier in European games than in the Premier League.

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:54 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:You do it every time Chelsea play in Europe, you can deny it all you want but you're in the minority of one and you are wrong.

Do I?

John Terry deserved to be sent off at the Nou Camp and...er...not much else controversy springs to mind.

Anyway, seeing as the referee has produced a red, I'm clearly not in a minority of one. Wink

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Re: UEFA Champions & Europa League 2014-15 Season Thread

Post by Crimey on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:55 pm

Wouldn't count PSG out of it yet, often 10 men can surprise. Get one goal and it will be very interesting.

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Post by Crimey on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:57 pm

Also Bayern 4-0 up, said it the last few years but it is very hard to look past them to win it. If they do, it will be interesting how long Guardiola sticks around, if he wins everything he can at Bayern, he might fancy a new challenge in a new country. Manchester City springs to mind.

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:58 pm

Shakhtar did have a man sent off in the 3rd minute, though.

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Post by Fernando on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:01 pm

Cavani rounds the keeper and hits the post picard

Also i chose that snapshot as it's when Oscar makes contact Nick which is relevant tbh Ok!

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:02 pm

Oh Cavani.

What a miss.

And no, Gary Neville, Cavani is not unlucky, it was a poor finish.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:02 pm

A snapshot not always proving something is different to them never proving something.

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Post by Crimey on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:05 pm

Duty281 wrote:Shakhtar did have a man sent off in the 3rd minute, though.

Indeed. Still think Bayern are favourites this year. Real Madrid and Barcelona have both had poor runs this year and neither appears to have really put them behind them. Chelsea will battle through but think they lack the quality needed.

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Post by Lowlandbrit on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:08 pm

For a team going through and playing against ten men, Chelsea look really uncomfortable.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:08 pm

Ibra was in control, Oscar was less so, but Oscar was first to ball. Ridiculous red though, nonsense decision. Mourinho should be getting fined a lot more for these comments he makes in the press. He plays the game.

Cavani to me was unlucky. Courtois reads where he'd shoot, Cavani has to go round him, a little wide and onto his weaker foot. Fine margins with that shot hitting inside of the post.

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Post by JDizzle on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:12 pm

Ramires has been absolutely terrible. PSG all over them.

Cesc's lack of pace being exposed a little bit too.

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Post by CFCNick on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:14 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Ibra was in control, Oscar was less so, but Oscar was first to ball. Ridiculous red though, nonsense decision. Mourinho should be getting fined a lot more for these comments he makes in the press. He plays the game.

Cavani to me was unlucky. Courtois reads where he'd shoot, Cavani has to go round him, a little wide and onto his weaker foot. Fine margins with that shot hitting inside of the post.

The "campaign" is domestic. It's been proven by a few papers using stats that we get fair to favourable in the Champions League.

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Post by Fernando on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:15 pm

If someone told you Chelsea had 10 men you'd believe them tbh

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Post by monty junior on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:15 pm

I wish Pastore would stop trying those stupid flicks, even though they have a lot of the ball i don't think they believe they can win.

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Post by Crimey on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:16 pm

They're tired. Mourinho's use of a small squad coming back to bite him. 

If they do get through this now, they've been quite lucky.

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Post by Fernando on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:17 pm

David Luiz booked
Diego Costa booked for a very poor tackle

The ref sticking up to PSG players but bottling it around Chelsea's

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Post by Fernando on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:17 pm

Verratti booked for a foul
Terry comes out to complain the ref gets no yellow

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:18 pm

Luiz pathetic. Chelsea edging to disaster; they have had a woeful second half.

Could get even nastier if a goal occurs.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:19 pm

CFCNick wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Ibra was in control, Oscar was less so, but Oscar was first to ball. Ridiculous red though, nonsense decision. Mourinho should be getting fined a lot more for these comments he makes in the press. He plays the game.

Cavani to me was unlucky. Courtois reads where he'd shoot, Cavani has to go round him, a little wide and onto his weaker foot. Fine margins with that shot hitting inside of the post.

The "campaign" is domestic. It's been proven by a few papers using stats that we get fair to favourable in the Champions League.

Dont think those "oh PSG are SO physical" comments were innocent at all

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Post by Fernando on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:24 pm

Chelsea 1-0 PSG - Gary Cahill

Changes nothing PSG score and it's Extra Time.

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:25 pm

There's only one Gary Cahill. Yahoo

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Post by Fernando on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:25 pm

Lavezzi on for PSG can't see Matuidi so assuming it's him.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:26 pm

Fernando wrote:Chelsea 1-0 PSG - Gary Cahill

Changes nothing PSG score and it's Extra Time.

Except that before if PSG scored then Chelsea were out as it stood

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