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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:08 pm

Must confess until I get home I can't really comment fully..............I'll have a closer look then.....

Good or Bad ??..................You think it'll resonate .......

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:28 pm

Winner? No.

Good? Yes.

For all? No.

Reading the (typically leftist) Beeb comments is fun though. YouGov run a quick poll of whether people thought they'd be better off over the next 12-18 months off the back of the budget. 1 in 3 Tories but only 1 in 7 Labs said yes.

Which tells you that Labs are made up of public sector workers and benefit bums (neither of whom are helped at all by this budget) whilst Tories are made up of pensioners, workers, tax payers and savers (all of whom will benefit from this budget).

Gideon left himself open on the NHS. Labour have failed in everything else they've tried to attack Tories on so expect this to be the area they'll go for the jugular on to win the election - if DC/GO thought Tory policy was strong on the NHS then they would have defended it. That they didn't tells you it's a soft spot. Labour should attack it with everything they've got......

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:04 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Winner? No.

Good? Yes.

For all? No.

Reading the (typically leftist) Beeb comments is fun though.  YouGov run a quick poll of whether people thought they'd be better off over the next 12-18 months off the back of the budget.  1 in 3 Tories but only 1 in 7 Labs said yes.

Which tells you that Labs are made up of public sector workers and benefit bums (neither of whom are helped at all by this budget) whilst Tories are made up of pensioners, workers, tax payers and savers (all of whom will benefit from this budget)..

Nothing like stereotyping is there......

You wonder why the Tories haven't detoxified.... Rolling Eyes

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:11 pm

It's not stereotyping, its drawing a conclusion based on the available evidence.

Why would Labour voters see his budget as one they won't benefit from, whereas Tories see it as one they will benefit from, then?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:13 pm

You are being silly and abusive..

If Labour had brought in this budget...............1 in 7 Tories wouldn't like it....

It's politics....

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Post by Duty281 on Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:35 am

Hopefully this budget will be enough to finish Labour's hopes.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:43 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You are being silly and abusive..

If Labour had brought in this budget...............1 in 7 Tories wouldn't like it....

It's politics....

Ok, hide behind that then. Easier than struggling to find your own explanation I know.....

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Post by Derbymanc on Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:52 am

Dropped the ball big time for me. Savers (You know those making enough money to put some away) get a helping hand, the poorest do too (As they should) but those just scraping by get nothing again.

Daft as it seems the Cons just lost my vote over that budget.

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Post by wheelchair1991 on Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:37 pm

I am standing in Worcester as a council candidate for Labour so obviously my views on this budget are not positive

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:54 pm

Good boy Wheels..

What are your chances ??

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Post by wheelchair1991 on Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:59 pm

In the ward i am standing in Labour has not won since 2007 but the sitting tory spends most of his time in USA selling arms etc so i think ive got half a chance

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Post by ShahenshahG on Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:04 pm

Wheelchair mate, best of luck to you.

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Post by wheelchair1991 on Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:17 pm

Thanks Smile its not east canvassing when in a wheelchair because so many houses have steps here but i shall keep going

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Post by seanmichaels on Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:19 pm

Not sure how anyone can vote for Milliband and Balls......

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Post by ShahenshahG on Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:23 pm

seanmichaels wrote:Not sure how anyone can vote for Milliband and Balls......

This election is about the least Poopie option. That depends on your own views really.

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Post by seanmichaels on Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:28 pm

Surely voting for the guys behind the wheel of Labour's car crash is the sh1ttest option on the table? I'd prefer the SNP to those 2 clowns.

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Post by Ent on Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:29 pm

Do savers really benefit?

You need 60k of savings to save yourself £200 a year of tax on your interest. Brilliant.

The tax system is just too complicated - people don't really know what budgets mean for them. Plus a lot of these changes are set for the future not now.

1p off a pint of beer, wow fantastic - no benefit to the man on the street that, will it ease a burden on pubs - under 1/3rd of a percent less tax on one of several income streams?

No mention of the NHS which is the country's biggest employer and something that the vast majority of the public access.

How about knocking some fuel duty off and not a bloody penny. Oil prices have fallen and petrol is 20p a litre cheaper, no wonder people have a few quid left over to spend and boost the economy.

Road tax is electronic and you don't get a tax disc made or posted out anymore. Costs cut and prices up for 32 million cars in the uk and all extra skimmed to the treasurey.

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Post by Ent on Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:30 pm

Also the fact that only 2/10 of all canvassed in that poll think they'll be better off is damning regardless of party ratios.

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Post by seanmichaels on Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:54 pm

Always thought a simple but effective policy would be to charge 18-65 (retirement) year old £15 for a visit to the GP. Would cut out time wasters (people there with a cold), lessen strain on GP's so they can spend more time on people who need it, and provide some extra wonga for the coffers

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Post by Ent on Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:12 pm

Yeah but then someone dies or has a late diagnosis because they didn't go as they couldn't afford the £15 and it all kicks off.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:14 pm

Derbymanc wrote:Dropped the ball big time for me. Savers (You know those making enough money to put some away) get a helping hand, the poorest do too (As they should) but those just scraping by get nothing again.

Daft as it seems the Cons just lost my vote over that budget.

Why? Not sure I understand from your post.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:16 pm

Ent wrote:Also the fact that only 2/10 of all canvassed in that poll think they'll be better off is damning regardless of party ratios.

What poll?

1/3 Tory voters canvassed said they'll be better off, for example.

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Post by Scottrf on Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:19 pm

seanmichaels wrote:Always thought a simple but effective policy would be to charge 18-65 (retirement) year old £15 for a visit to the GP. Would cut out time wasters (people there with a cold), lessen strain on GP's so they can spend more time on people who need it, and provide some extra wonga for the coffers
And be the party who removed 'free at the point of delivery' from NHS access? Political suicide.

Also, I've heard it many times that nobody really expects this sort of thing to make much money, considering administration cost. But to not be able to make a profit from people giving you money seems quite shocking.


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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:19 pm

seanmichaels wrote:Always thought a simple but effective policy would be to charge 18-65 (retirement) year old £15 for a visit to the GP. Would cut out time wasters (people there with a cold), lessen strain on GP's so they can spend more time on people who need it, and provide some extra wonga for the coffers

Sod lessening the strain on GPs. Their contract, which Labour bent over for, is a massive joke and has totally f*cked up the NHS, A&E in particular.

Do like the French system of paying 30% for your treatment, and then claiming back (fairly painlessly, I understand) from the goverment up to the full 30%, depending on your circumstances. GP clinics and A&E's are full of timewasters, something needs to be sorted out as it's a mess right now.

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Post by Derbymanc on Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:21 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Dropped the ball big time for me. Savers (You know those making enough money to put some away) get a helping hand, the poorest do too (As they should) but those just scraping by get nothing again.

Daft as it seems the Cons just lost my vote over that budget.

Why? Not sure I understand from your post.

Because for me personally there has been no upside to the cons being in power for the last few years. I've watched the MPs get a pay rise whilst mine has been effectively cut. Watched expenses get more ridiculous for everyone else whilst MP's still get to claim for crap. No real improvement to living conditions for anyone other than the super rich and haven't seen any of the major tax loopholes closed.

As for the NHS, you can't start charging people as the poorer people just won't go which will cost the NHS more in the long run. First thing we should do though is make it fair throughout and stop giving the scots and the welsh free prescriptions OR make it free for the whole of the UK (have never understood why this isn't classed as discrimination)

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:26 pm

Do you work in the public sector, Derby?

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Post by Derbymanc on Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:31 pm

Suppose you could say yes I am,

The public sector needs an overhaul badly BUT if your going to state to all that you have to have a pay freeze (or minimal pay rise) for the good of the country (something which I originally agreed with) then the MPs have to lead by example.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:35 pm

seanmichaels wrote:Surely voting for the guys behind the wheel of Labour's car crash is the sh1ttest option on the table? I'd prefer the SNP to those 2 clowns.

How many more people are using food banks now ??

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Post by ShahenshahG on Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:36 pm

Because his friends going to charge the government three times what it pays you to replace you when uncle Kumquat george cuts your job and he wants to laugh at you.


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Post by Derbymanc on Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:38 pm

Seen them do that already with the armed forces (why make a load of people redundant, pay for them to be retrained to do something else yet continue to recruit in them areas???)


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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:41 pm

Should get rid of Trident......................The days of World wars are over and we won't let anything happpen to our best friend anyway... thumbsup

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:48 pm

wheelchair1991 wrote:In the ward i am standing in Labour has not won since 2007 but the sitting tory spends most of his time in USA selling arms etc so i think ive got half a chance

Funny thing is If you knocked on my door................The reception you would get... would depend on who answered it.......

I'd give you supper and let you sleep in the spare room.. Cool ...

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Post by Derbymanc on Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:53 pm

Good for you by the way Wheelchair, you should make a thread stating what you've done been up to and how it's all gone. I'd be interested in it anyway.

A lot of the contracts need overhauling IMO and things like subsidised bars etc in the HOC need unsubsidising. My dissalusionment is with MP's stating how we're all in it together whilst lording it up and complaining about their wages.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:58 pm

Yeah it would be great to get a first hand idea of what is happening on the doors...Wheels.


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Post by seanmichaels on Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:13 pm

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seanmichaels wrote:Surely voting for the guys behind the wheel of Labour's car crash is the sh1ttest option on the table? I'd prefer the SNP to those 2 clowns.

How many more people are using food banks now ??

There'll always be class divides and poverty. A lot of which is self inflicted by the individuals themselves. Would there be more foodbanks if labour had taken us bust? Probably.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:18 pm

So it's ok then

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Post by seanmichaels on Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:20 pm

Just humanity. Don't particularly like it but it happens everywhere.

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Post by seanmichaels on Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:22 pm

People need educating as well. You can feed a family perfectly well on £50 a week. Probably less

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:23 pm

Thank goodness we don't all say....Oh well

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Post by Derbymanc on Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:28 pm

seanmichaels wrote:People need educating as well. You can feed a family perfectly well on £50 a week. Probably less

Where?

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Post by seanmichaels on Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:34 pm

Derbymanc wrote:
seanmichaels wrote:People need educating as well. You can feed a family perfectly well on £50 a week. Probably less

Where?

Anywhere. Maybe not M&S.

I could put together a weekly shop that would feed 2 adults and 3 kids.

Do kids get food (lunch) at school?

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Post by Derbymanc on Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:37 pm

Nope we have to pay for it.
Put together then a 7 day shop for us (that's healthy too, don't want the NHS picking up the tab for the obese) for 2 adults and 2 kids for less than 50 quid.

I'm not taking the mick either, i've been looking at trying to do this for months and have found it impossible.

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Post by Rowley on Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:38 pm

Derbymanc wrote:Nope we have to pay for it.
Put together then a 7 day shop for us (that's healthy too, don't want the NHS picking up the tab for the obese) for 2 adults and 2 kids for less than 50 quid.

Bearing in mind many low income families do not have their own transport so cannot afford to travel particularly far, or to multiple locations to shop, unless of course your £50 factors in travel costs.

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Post by seanmichaels on Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:43 pm

Derbymanc wrote:Nope we have to pay for it.
Put together then a 7 day shop for us (that's healthy too, don't want the NHS picking up the tab for the obese) for 2 adults and 2 kids for less than 50 quid.

I'm not taking the mick either, i've been looking at trying to do this for months and have found it impossible.

I'll do it tonight. I cook a lot so it will be tasty as well as healthy.

Do I have to factor in your kids lunch cost? if so what is it. May opt for a packed lunch.

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Post by seanmichaels on Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:45 pm

Rowley wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Nope we have to pay for it.
Put together then a 7 day shop for us (that's healthy too, don't want the NHS picking up the tab for the obese) for 2 adults and 2 kids for less than 50 quid.

Bearing in mind many low income families do not have their own transport so cannot afford to travel particularly far, or to multiple locations to shop, unless of course your £50 factors in travel costs.

I could probably get everything from co op but the assumption is that if they are not working they could spend an hour or so walking to get to a half decent supermarket. The Gurkhas/Nepalese around us love a long walk to tescos.

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Post by Derbymanc on Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:45 pm

Packed lunch Sean, 1 full sandwich, piece of fruit, 1 chocolate bar (little kind) and no added sugar cordial (we get Asda's own)

Cheers Sean, it would be much appreciated mate especially if it's easy to cook (I like to cook but take forever)

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Post by Ent on Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:03 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Ent wrote:Also the fact that only 2/10 of all canvassed in that poll think they'll be better off is damning regardless of party ratios.

What poll?

1/3 Tory voters canvassed said they'll be better off, for example.

1/3 Tory isn't good, I don't know why you think it is. 1/7 labour, 2/10 in total (probably like 1/4 if you look at the skewing).

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:03 pm

Don't all Key Stage one kids get free lunches at school?

My 10,000th post is up there with one of the more boring on this website ever


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Post by Derbymanc on Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:06 pm

Mine are 7 Dolph, up to 5 they get them and of course if your on benefits or under an earning threshold.


Just been informed by the missus as well that for anyone that's interested it would be 22 quid a week for the pair of them.

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Post by Rowley on Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:07 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Don't all Key Stage one kids get free lunches at school?

My 10,000th post is up there with one of the more boring on this website ever

Spend some time on the boxing page reading some of the Mayweather threads, your post will seem like it has the wit of Peter Ustinov and the erudition of Stephen Hawkin

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