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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:10 am

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Mansion Tax and now this Non Dom move.............Certainly is opening up dividing lines...................Obviously the opposition to it will play the card of these 1% guys will leave the Country etc etc..........Fat chance..

Duncan Bannatyne of Dragon's Den has already commended Miliband......Saying "it's got my vote".......I remember he had a spat with James Caan another Dragon over his status !!! Not so long back...I think it was a major reason Caan left the show...

Putting aside the crap that this will cost jobs............

I think it's a smart move !!...As Blair said yesterday If anything will cost jobs it will be coming out of Europe..

Labour is playing the populist card.............."We are on your side...."..

Let's see what happens..

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:18 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:The reason ukip has the highest votes on their comments is that have the most rabid support as most people from any party don't really bother clicking the yea or nay Otherwise there would be millions of ratings rather than the meagre few thousand

And whether support is rabid or passive, 1 man 1 vote. Chuck in FPTP and UKIP hopefully won't make any major inroads. My only oncern will be whether some votes are still pulled away from Tory candidates and, whilst insufficient for UKIP to take a seat, will open up an inroad for the Labour candidate.

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Post by ShahenshahG on Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:18 pm

Curious then you didn't say that before you posted something in support of ukip. Of course it's a stupid thing to say but it doesn't invalidate the point. It's like reviews a lot of people post em when they got something to complain about.

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Post by ShahenshahG on Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:23 pm

Yes it's true tophat. But I think no matter what this parliament is going to be the least active one ever. The division are too deep the libs have been burned and while ukip is popular this won't translate into seats. So you've got a chunk of labour a chunk of tories and if as i suspect labour retain a chunk of seats in Scotland were gonna see a gridlocked government unable to decide on anything. Bad times ahead.

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Post by ShahenshahG on Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:26 pm

F*ck you autocorrect

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:20 pm

The Tories have gone from a sensible approach to fixing the "Strong" (100 times a day you hear that word) economy party to an "anti-austerity gifts for all party" in a week !!

£8 billion for the NHS...........Where is that coming from ??
Right to buy ..............WTF !!
Minimum wage rise...............Where is that coming from ??

All because the public aren't buying "Ed is crap" and the polls aren't moving....

No ideology............Just kids playing at politics........

Australian wally Lynton thinks you can just be personal and shower abuse like he does back home no doubt to win elections....

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Post by seanmichaels on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:23 pm

Heard a UKIP lady on Radio 4 this morning. I think they are alright. Decent arguments and they seem more honest than any of the others.

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Post by seanmichaels on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:28 pm

■Introducing a points-based immigration system
■Funding 6,000 new jobs for armed forces veterans, in the police, the prison service and at the UK border
■Cutting foreign aid by £9bn
■Removing stamp duty on the first £250,000 for new homes built on brownfield sites
■A cut in business rates for small businesses

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Post by Mind the windows Tino. on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:32 pm

Kneegel Faragay is live on Bloomberg at the moment. He has a very, very sweaty top lip.

UKIP proposing 32 billion a year budget savings
Cut income tax for middle earners
All immigrants to have health insurance
Proposing 18 billion 'tax giveaway'

That's what he's talked about so far.

I bumped into him once at a place called The Guinea Grill in Mayfair. TopHat's been there. Those two things aren't necessarily linked, by the way.

He was drinking a pint of London Pride and smoking a cigarette outside. For those that are interested.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:45 pm

Farage has gone I'm afraid..........

The perils of a three party system coming home to roost..

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Post by Rowley on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:50 pm

seanmichaels wrote:■Introducing a points-based immigration system


We've already got one.

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Post by Duty281 on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:53 pm

Rowley wrote:
seanmichaels wrote:■Introducing a points-based immigration system


We've already got one.

But it is useless whilst we are in the European Union.

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Post by Duty281 on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:54 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Minimum wage rise...............Where is that coming from??

Aren't Labour proposing this as well? Up to eight pounds?

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Post by Rowley on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:57 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Rowley wrote:
seanmichaels wrote:■Introducing a points-based immigration system


We've already got one.

But it is useless whilst we are in the European Union.

Thanks for clarifying that for me

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:58 pm

Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Minimum wage rise...............Where is that coming from??

Aren't Labour proposing this as well? Up to eight pounds?

Labour aren't the austerity party...........

Cameron two weeks ago said making silly spending commitments could wreck the economy........

Like I said "Ed is crap" Isn't working.

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Post by Duty281 on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:58 pm

Rowley wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Rowley wrote:
seanmichaels wrote:■Introducing a points-based immigration system


We've already got one.

But it is useless whilst we are in the European Union.

Thanks for clarifying that for me

Not having a good morning, Rowley?

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Post by Duty281 on Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:00 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Minimum wage rise...............Where is that coming from??

Aren't Labour proposing this as well? Up to eight pounds?

Labour aren't the austerity party...........

Cameron two weeks ago said making silly spending commitments could wreck the economy........

Like I said "Ed is crap" Isn't working.

You're right: Labour aren't the austerity party.

They are the spend-what-we-don't-have, borrow-too-much party, with a Shadow Chancellor who struggles to multiply seven by six.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:01 pm

Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Minimum wage rise...............Where is that coming from??

Aren't Labour proposing this as well? Up to eight pounds?

Labour aren't the austerity party...........

Cameron two weeks ago said making silly spending commitments could wreck the economy........

Like I said "Ed is crap" Isn't working.

You're right: Labour aren't the austerity party.

They are the spend-what-we-don't-have, borrow-too-much party, with a Shadow Chancellor who struggles to multiply seven by six.

Seems to be a popular ideology with other parties at the moment.. Cool

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Post by Duty281 on Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:02 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Minimum wage rise...............Where is that coming from??

Aren't Labour proposing this as well? Up to eight pounds?

Labour aren't the austerity party...........

Cameron two weeks ago said making silly spending commitments could wreck the economy........

Like I said "Ed is crap" Isn't working.

You're right: Labour aren't the austerity party.

They are the spend-what-we-don't-have, borrow-too-much party, with a Shadow Chancellor who struggles to multiply seven by six.

Seems to be a popular ideology with other parties at the moment.. Cool

Apart from UKIP Wink

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:11 pm

There are some policies from UKIP I like...........But I just think If Britain left the EU it would be a disaster.......

Businesses would move abroad because all the advantages of being in Europe would be gone....

You can't keep the same good relations with your European buddies when they are pumping billions in to something and you aren't........

Like LBJ said about Hoover....."I'd rather him be inside the tent p**sing out.. Than outside p**sing in !!"

Don't agree with Blair much but he's spot on..............On this Country being isolated If it leaves...

You aren't a big enough hitter..

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Post by Rowley on Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:21 pm

Whilst I don’t particularly like the bloke I do think Blair makes a valid point re Europe, if we do commit to a referendum in a couple of years time that is pretty much the agenda for the next two years. It will completely dominate the narrative at the cost of all else. Whatever you think of that we surely are not on strong enough economic ground to risk that yet, the referendum is sure to be pretty close and you have to think the possibility of us leaving will spook some businesses, personally I am not sure we can afford too many businesses deciding to up sticks and it almost certainly will happen, a couple of businesses had pretty much committed to do just that in Scotland should the vote have been to leave, either stupendously naïve or arrogant to assume the UK would not have to suffer the same.

There is a reasonable argument there will never be a good time to have a referendum, but with the economy of such shaky ground would seem a particularly bad time to contemplate it.

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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:01 am

Should the businesses that up sticks and leave consist of Sports Direct and CEX then I'd be happy to live a country not populated with shuffling tracksuited cretins reeking of BO as they clutch the latest copy of Call of Duty in their trembling mitts

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Post by Rowley on Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:17 am

I got a copy of Moneyball on blu ray from CEX for £3.50 so I don't share your hatred at the minue. Also got my Ipod from there as Apple chose to discontinue every decent sized one.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:43 am

I hate hypocrites..........

I've got no time for adulterers either !!

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Post by seanmichaels on Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:01 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Minimum wage rise...............Where is that coming from??

Aren't Labour proposing this as well? Up to eight pounds?

Labour aren't the austerity party...........


Austerity is good. You can go out for a nice meal without being bothered by poor people.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:07 am

seanmichaels wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Minimum wage rise...............Where is that coming from??

Aren't Labour proposing this as well? Up to eight pounds?

Labour aren't the austerity party...........


Austerity is good. You can go out for a nice meal without being bothered by poor people.

Greed is good...Greed is right...Greed works !!!!!

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Post by seanmichaels on Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:21 am

Laugh

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:56 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:The Tories have gone from a sensible approach to fixing the "Strong" (100 times a day you hear that word) economy party to an "anti-austerity gifts for all party" in a week !!

£8 billion for the NHS...........Where is that coming from ??
Right to buy ..............WTF  !!
Minimum wage rise...............Where is that coming from ??

All because the public aren't buying "Ed is crap" and the polls aren't moving....

No ideology............Just kids playing at politics........

Australian wally Lynton thinks you can just be personal and shower abuse like he does back home no doubt to win elections....

Unfortunately the Brits are more discerning..

MASSIVE LOLZ

<essentially maintaining the maturity of your post>

Love how you can question how all the Tory 'give aways' are to be funded, but aparently raise no questions how Labour are going to do the same, especially as one Labour pledge was simply to spend £2.5bn 'MORE' than the Tories!! laughing

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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:00 am

If they were to ban soppy British films about a chubby practical joker with an oversized mobile phone it could be a "Non Dom Jom Rom Com"

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:03 am

How long did it take you to think that one up...?

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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:07 am

Been working on it for about three days

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Post by Derbymanc on Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:12 am

The right to buy one is the one that winds me up. There isn't enough housing as it is so they're going to sell more of it off. clap
Sky News yesterday pointed out that 50% of the ones sold under Thatcher are now owned by private landlords who keep raising the rent prices.
Won't be too bad if they don't go for cut price but we know that won't happen.
Ridiculous.

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Post by Rowley on Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:23 am

DAVE667 wrote:Been working on it for about three days

John Coltrane only took a day to record A Love Supreme. Can't help but feel you are not using your time particularly productively their DAVE.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:23 am

Even as a Tory that RTB policy has peed me off. It's bullcrap and too Thatcherite. Makes no sense or logic and just doesn't stack up.

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Post by ShahenshahG on Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:24 am

Rowley wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:Been working on it for about three days

John Coltrane only took a day to record A Love Supreme. Can't help but feel you are not using your time particularly productively their DAVE.

Hang you're head in shame....

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Post by Mind the windows Tino. on Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:25 am

Rowley wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:Been working on it for about three days

John Coltrane only took a day to record A Love Supreme. Can't help but feel you are not using your time particularly productively their DAVE.

Shame.

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Post by Rowley on Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:31 am

Damn, that is poor. I am genuinely disappointed with myself.

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Post by Rowley on Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:32 am

What is most upsetting is I went to all that effort to come up with a tossy, bell endish jazz reference only to have it overshadowed by a onetwo level balls up. Disappointing.

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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:32 am

Mind the windows Tino. wrote:
Rowley wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:Been working on it for about three days

John Coltrane only took a day to record A Love Supreme. Can't help but feel you are not using your time particularly productively their DAVE.

Shame.
There's been a lot of this from him recently. Fear he may be an imposter despite trying to shoehorn jazz into the equation. Anyway, David Vincent recorded the vocals for MORBID ANGEL's "Altars of Madness" in two hours. As for my time, it's split between tea-making, gardening (burying hookers) and clubbing animals to death in alphabetical order for the purpose of conducting an experiment no-one will be interested in when I publish the results.

I got a lot of stuff on my plate, man!

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:13 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:The Tories have gone from a sensible approach to fixing the "Strong" (100 times a day you hear that word) economy party to an "anti-austerity gifts for all party" in a week !!

£8 billion for the NHS...........Where is that coming from ??
Right to buy ..............WTF  !!
Minimum wage rise...............Where is that coming from ??

All because the public aren't buying "Ed is crap" and the polls aren't moving....

No ideology............Just kids playing at politics........

Australian wally Lynton thinks you can just be personal and shower abuse like he does back home no doubt to win elections....

Unfortunately the Brits are more discerning..

MASSIVE LOLZ

<essentially maintaining the maturity of your post>

Love how you can question how all the Tory 'give aways' are to be funded, but aparently raise no questions how Labour are going to do the same, especially as one Labour pledge was simply to spend £2.5bn 'MORE' than the Tories!! laughing

Futile arguing with you my friend as whatever I write receives abuse and a contrary opinion from you...

Fairplay and all that..




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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:57 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:The Tories have gone from a sensible approach to fixing the "Strong" (100 times a day you hear that word) economy party to an "anti-austerity gifts for all party" in a week !!

£8 billion for the NHS...........Where is that coming from ??
Right to buy ..............WTF  !!
Minimum wage rise...............Where is that coming from ??

All because the public aren't buying "Ed is crap" and the polls aren't moving....

No ideology............Just kids playing at politics........

Australian wally Lynton thinks you can just be personal and shower abuse like he does back home no doubt to win elections....

Unfortunately the Brits are more discerning..

MASSIVE LOLZ

<essentially maintaining the maturity of your post>

Love how you can question how all the Tory 'give aways' are to be funded, but aparently raise no questions how Labour are going to do the same, especially as one Labour pledge was simply to spend £2.5bn 'MORE' than the Tories!! laughing

Futile arguing with you my friend as whatever I write receives abuse and a contrary opinion from you...

Fairplay and all that..


Your problem is you can't actually debate. Your inability to construct coherent consistent arguments leaves you floundering, which is why even someone with significantly less knowledge of the subject matter (e.g. me and boxing) can still turn you inside out.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:13 pm

Yep...

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Post by Pal Joey on Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:31 pm

I completely understand your triple dot glyphs after each point.
Also noticed if you want to emphasise something... you might use up to 10 or 12...........
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:55 pm

The Loaded Dog wrote:I completely understand your triple dot glyphs after each point.
Also noticed if you want to emphasise something... you might use up to 10 or 12...........

Thanks for the advice..................

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Post by Derbymanc on Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:18 am

Right to buy unravelling already as housing association say they'll seek legal action if they're told to sell off property's at lower than the valuation.

As they're non-profit companies UK law does not permit them to sell of assets for lower than they're worth.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:41 am

Derbymanc wrote:Right to buy unravelling already as housing association say they'll seek legal action if they're told to sell off property's at lower than the valuation.

As they're non-profit companies UK law does not permit them to sell of assets for lower than they're worth.

Stupid policy when you have a shortage of houses as it is...

Gay marriage didn't get the gay vote........(We all believed Osbourne and Cammy stayed up at night worrying about gay rights !!)

Beer and Bingo didn't get the "chaff" vote...So now they are trying this !!!

Kids playing at politics..

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Post by Derbymanc on Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:44 am

Agree Truss, seems like something they've dragged out of a hat and nobody seems to agree with it.

To be honest, at this moment in time no party does anything for me and as far as I can see they're just out for a big piece of the pie for themselves

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Post by Rowley on Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:46 am

The key to the housing crisis surely has to be a programme of building affordable, social housing. This government has been woeful in that respect, and in the interests of balance it should be said the Labour governments that preceded them were equally as poor. The housing crisis is just a consequence of years of underinvestment in the area of social housing by countless governments dating back for years.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:59 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Right to buy unravelling already as housing association say they'll seek legal action if they're told to sell off property's at lower than the valuation.

As they're non-profit companies UK law does not permit them to sell of assets for lower than they're worth.

Stupid policy when you have a shortage of houses as it is...

Gay marriage didn't get the gay vote........(We all believed Osbourne and Cammy stayed up at night worrying about gay rights !!)

Beer and Bingo didn't get the "chaff" vote...So now they are trying this !!!

Kids playing at politics..

And the Eds are doing better, how......?

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Post by ShahenshahG on Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:02 am

The problem with that is rowley that building affordable housing usually means crap materials. Was looking at properties and you could tell that the doors were flimsy. The handles were delicate. The water system was prone to leaking into the wall and the most useless pumping system ever devised by man had replaced the simple sinkhole and spent most of the time flooding the houses . This makes them age quicker and the maintenance costs pile up which makes it less affordable in the long run and less incentive to make more. What is needed is a massive investment to build robust housing and a lot of it. There just wasn't the money for it in this term. Labour really should be held responsible for that.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:04 am

Rowley wrote:The key to the housing crisis surely has to be a programme of building affordable, social housing. This government has been woeful in that respect, and in the interests of balance it should be said the Labour governments that preceded them were equally as poor. The housing crisis is just a consequence of years of underinvestment in the area of social housing by countless governments dating back for years.

How does giving away more housing for free solve the housing crisis?

It won't affect prices, other than perhaps increasing them if it means a greater % of total housebuilding is forced to be assigned to 'affordable' as private housing supply is (further) constricted thus actually fuelling the current housing crisis as low-mid income folk that can't get a council house will never ever be able to afford inflated private housing.

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