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Barcelona Open 2015
Draw: http://www.atpworldtour.com/share/event-draws.aspx?year=2015&eventid=425
Although Djokovic has been doing all the winning of late, the lead character in the current clay season scenario is still Nadal. He did better this year than last year in MC, reaching the semi and thereby moving up the ranking from #5 to #4. Would Nadal continue to gain momentum this week and win Barcelona? Hard to stay. To win Barcelona he'd probably have to defeat a very motivated defending champ Nishikori who will definitely fight very hard to recapture his earlier #4 place back from Nadal. Will the main attraction be the battle of #4?
Kei looked pretty good winning his opening match in straights. Good to see a non-Spaniard posing a real threat on clay for a change. Buckle your seat belt and stay tuned!
Although Djokovic has been doing all the winning of late, the lead character in the current clay season scenario is still Nadal. He did better this year than last year in MC, reaching the semi and thereby moving up the ranking from #5 to #4. Would Nadal continue to gain momentum this week and win Barcelona? Hard to stay. To win Barcelona he'd probably have to defeat a very motivated defending champ Nishikori who will definitely fight very hard to recapture his earlier #4 place back from Nadal. Will the main attraction be the battle of #4?
Kei looked pretty good winning his opening match in straights. Good to see a non-Spaniard posing a real threat on clay for a change. Buckle your seat belt and stay tuned!
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Rafa will destroy kei if they play. Hes the king.
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Interesting to see Rublev take out Verdasco. Good win for a 17 year old.
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And another good teenage win, as 19-year-old Swede Elias Ymer (ranked 192 in the world) takes out Nick Kyrgios, winning 9-7 in the final set tiebreak.
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keeping an eye on Kei very closely, he was demolishing all his opponents in Miami before running into Isner which could happen to anyone.
He reminds me a lot of Novak except he isn't quite the physical specimen as Novak is 6'2, however I find him more aseptically pleasing to watch
He reminds me a lot of Novak except he isn't quite the physical specimen as Novak is 6'2, however I find him more aseptically pleasing to watch
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I find Kei a bit like Novak too, I mean the way they play, but I feel Kei is more aggressive.
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Born Slippy wrote:Interesting to see Rublev take out Verdasco. Good win for a 17 year old.
Incredibly impressed with Rublev. He has a rocket backhand, stands way close to the baseline and hits well off both sides. Very dramatic ending against Verdasco he was cramping in the last service game but still kept hitting huge shots. Verdasco was really having problems with how flat and early the kid was taking the ball. Kind of like a young davydenko.
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He lost in a three setter to foggy, but still at seventeen holding his own against clay courters like foggy and Verdasco is a good sign. Too early to tell but this kid has the talent. Verdasco called him rude in the post match interview, I didn't see anything that would upset him to be honest. Me thinks a bit of sour grapes at being spanked in straights by a 17 year old.
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Foggy gets first set 6:4, but Nadal a break up in the second 2:1.
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Fog is v good to watch on clay. His style looks even more aesthetically pleasing against the muscling, bludgeoning style of Rafa.
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I do enjoy Fognin's casual brilliance, comes out of nowhere
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Quiet a power shot Foggy has, does not need to move and jump a lot to generate pace.
Looking twice as powerful then Rafabot.
Looking twice as powerful then Rafabot.
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Nadal playing really badly, 3 steps back from Monte Carlo
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Forza Fognini!
Is he the only player to beat Rafa twice in a row on clay bar djoko?
Is he the only player to beat Rafa twice in a row on clay bar djoko?
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You're a few years out of date.ZZ wrote:Rafa will destroy kei if they play. Hes the king.
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Djokovic ?LuvSports! wrote:Forza Fognini!
Is he the only player to beat Rafa twice in a row on clay?
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That was a horrendous display from Nadal, he played great yesterday against Almagro but can't string together a few good matches it seems.
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Yes, 2015 thus farLuvSports! wrote:Forza Fognini!
Is he the only player to beat Rafa twice in a row on clay bar djoko?
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No, Djokovic did in 2011 (Madrid and Rome).LuvSports! wrote:Forza Fognini!
Is he the only player to beat Rafa twice in a row on clay?
If Rafa doesn't get his act together, someone is going to get a tough QF at RG!
(or maybe it won't be so tough?)
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One of those moments when you think it but don't type. D'oh!
I still think Rafa will be back firing for RG. He lost to Almagro in Barca last year and still won RG. Lots of time.
I still think Rafa will be back firing for RG. He lost to Almagro in Barca last year and still won RG. Lots of time.
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that is a surprising lost, Rafa looked like he was getting it together. It's a shame, was looking forward to him playing Nishikori potentially
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Nadal is running on reputation, I can see quite a few players seriously troubling him at RG.
Hell, Fognini isn't even that good a player. He's nice to watch and all that but clearly 2nd tier.
Hell, Fognini isn't even that good a player. He's nice to watch and all that but clearly 2nd tier.
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bogbrush wrote:You're a few years out of date.ZZ wrote:Rafa will destroy kei if they play. Hes the king.
He can't take a set off from 2nd tier player on his best surface now.
Fognini
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Not to try and give Nadal any credit, but on clay Fognini on form is pretty decent, tier1.5 let's saybogbrush wrote:Nadal is running on reputation, I can see quite a few players seriously troubling him at RG.
Hell, Fognini isn't even that good a player. He's nice to watch and all that but clearly 2nd tier.
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I still think his greatest achievement is inspiring one of the most (in)famous threads in V2 history.It Must Be Love wrote:Not to try and give Nadal any credit, but on clay Fognini on form is pretty decent, tier1.5 let's saybogbrush wrote:Nadal is running on reputation, I can see quite a few players seriously troubling him at RG.
Hell, Fognini isn't even that good a player. He's nice to watch and all that but clearly 2nd tier.
Even now, I still see his name as "Fogniniiiiiiiiiiiiiii".
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Still can't believe he ended Djokovic's 40 game unbeaten run, after that how dare I or anyone else not consider him Tier 1HM Murdoch wrote:I still think his greatest achievement is inspiring one of the most (in)famous threads in V2 history.It Must Be Love wrote:Not to try and give Nadal any credit, but on clay Fognini on form is pretty decent, tier1.5 let's saybogbrush wrote:Nadal is running on reputation, I can see quite a few players seriously troubling him at RG.
Hell, Fognini isn't even that good a player. He's nice to watch and all that but clearly 2nd tier.
Even now, I still see his name as "Fogniniiiiiiiiiiiiiii".
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IMBL, actually agree with you, Fognini more than decent on clay, didn't fall apart like Almagro, showed both mental and technical competence. Sorry about Nadal's early exit......
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Rafa! One step forward and three steps back. He has the second set within his grasp but managed to throw it away.
He has problem getting used to the racket I think, lost his usual precision and mis-hits so many times! He seemed to lose his speed and power these days and plays so defensively again.
I seriously think that he'll have shortage of match play on clay this year, not going to help him when at the FO. If he loses in R2 or R3 at Madrid and/or Rome again, I think the hope of getting his 10th FO will fly out of the window.
He has problem getting used to the racket I think, lost his usual precision and mis-hits so many times! He seemed to lose his speed and power these days and plays so defensively again.
I seriously think that he'll have shortage of match play on clay this year, not going to help him when at the FO. If he loses in R2 or R3 at Madrid and/or Rome again, I think the hope of getting his 10th FO will fly out of the window.
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Nonsense. He went out at the same stage last year in Barca to Almugro.
He will be fine.
He will be fine.
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HM Murdoch wrote:I still think his greatest achievement is inspiring one of the most (in)famous threads in V2 history.It Must Be Love wrote:Not to try and give Nadal any credit, but on clay Fognini on form is pretty decent, tier1.5 let's saybogbrush wrote:Nadal is running on reputation, I can see quite a few players seriously troubling him at RG.
Hell, Fognini isn't even that good a player. He's nice to watch and all that but clearly 2nd tier.
Even now, I still see his name as "Fogniniiiiiiiiiiiiiii".
Like "AAAAAAGGGGGGGUUUUUUUUEERRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"
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He has just two tournaments to play himself into form for the FO... squeaky bum timeLuvSports! wrote:Nonsense. He went out at the same stage last year in Barca to Almugro.
He will be fine.
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Fed to finally beat Rafa in the QF of the RG this year
Foggy now is beating routinely Nadal and also left Djoko with no RG in 2011
Foggy now is beating routinely Nadal and also left Djoko with no RG in 2011
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It Must Be Love wrote:He has just two tournaments to play himself into form for the FO... squeaky bum timeLuvSports! wrote:Nonsense. He went out at the same stage last year in Barca to Almugro.
He will be fine.
Please no Panic, IMBL. Rafa will fly to USA, 3 days before the RG to get his blood enriched with outer space plasma particles
Most important is that Djoko does not win the RG this year, and not will Nadal win it, thats not news and neither does Nadal care for another RG.
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It Must Be Love wrote:Still can't believe he ended Djokovic's 40 game unbeaten run, after that how dare I or anyone else not consider him Tier 1HM Murdoch wrote:I still think his greatest achievement is inspiring one of the most (in)famous threads in V2 history.It Must Be Love wrote:Not to try and give Nadal any credit, but on clay Fognini on form is pretty decent, tier1.5 let's saybogbrush wrote:Nadal is running on reputation, I can see quite a few players seriously troubling him at RG.
Hell, Fognini isn't even that good a player. He's nice to watch and all that but clearly 2nd tier.
Even now, I still see his name as "Fogniniiiiiiiiiiiiiii".
No, I can't believe the fabulous Djoko streak was ended by Foggy either. But I guess that's because it wasn't.
Does withdrawal help elevate a player from tier 2 to tier 1 ...... ? Quick way to climb the rankings.
Then again ....... maybe he did end it, in some sort of parallel world of fantasist conspiracies - aka the (in) famous 6o6 thread.
But on court - and in the record books - I think history will show that the streak was ended by R. Federer.
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Rafa lost in QF last year, this year he lost at R3, not a good sign. Last year he was playing well despite the back issue and he didn't have stamina issue. This year he's back from long break, doesn't have enough match plays, and he looked slow and fatigued and his shots lacked power and precision (partly due to his new racket). If after the one week's break and practice, he still doesn't do well at Madrid, then I think he'll have problem at the FO. This current slump is unlike those in the past, no matter how badly he did in the past, he still was able to do well on clay. I think with the change and getting used to the new racket, it has complicated things now and he may not reach his best or even normal level in time for the FO. It's quite a risk to take changing racket just before the clay season starts, given the state of Rafa's mentality now.
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Meantime, how about the following?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/am-used-threat-posed-djokovic-says-nadal-080751204--ten.html
Nadal: I am used to threat posed by Djokovic
"...A red hot Novak Djokovic is being tipped to end Rafa Nadal's stranglehold at Roland Garros in June but the Spaniard dismissed the threat as being no different to those he has faced before....
as far as Nadal is concerned, 2015 is no different to 2013, 2012 or even 2011...."
He sure sounds very confident here, not panicking at all. That's not the usual "I'm not the favourite" Nadal talking. In fact it's like he's saying to Djokovic "yeah, come get me if you can, but I know you can't." So who knows?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/am-used-threat-posed-djokovic-says-nadal-080751204--ten.html
Nadal: I am used to threat posed by Djokovic
"...A red hot Novak Djokovic is being tipped to end Rafa Nadal's stranglehold at Roland Garros in June but the Spaniard dismissed the threat as being no different to those he has faced before....
as far as Nadal is concerned, 2015 is no different to 2013, 2012 or even 2011...."
He sure sounds very confident here, not panicking at all. That's not the usual "I'm not the favourite" Nadal talking. In fact it's like he's saying to Djokovic "yeah, come get me if you can, but I know you can't." So who knows?
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In case any posters are wondering........lags72 wrote:It Must Be Love wrote:Still can't believe he ended Djokovic's 40 game unbeaten run, after that how dare I or anyone else not consider him Tier 1HM Murdoch wrote:I still think his greatest achievement is inspiring one of the most (in)famous threads in V2 history.It Must Be Love wrote:Not to try and give Nadal any credit, but on clay Fognini on form is pretty decent, tier1.5 let's saybogbrush wrote:Nadal is running on reputation, I can see quite a few players seriously troubling him at RG.
Hell, Fognini isn't even that good a player. He's nice to watch and all that but clearly 2nd tier.
Even now, I still see his name as "Fogniniiiiiiiiiiiiiii".
No, I can't believe the fabulous Djoko streak was ended by Foggy either. But I guess that's because it wasn't.
Does withdrawal help elevate a player from tier 2 to tier 1 ...... ? Quick way to climb the rankings.
Then again ....... maybe he did end it, in some sort of parallel world of fantasist conspiracies - aka the (in) famous 6o6 thread.
But on court - and in the record books - I think history will show that the streak was ended by R. Federer.
https://www.606v2.com/t6328-how-will-the-end-of-djoko-s-streak-affect-his-play
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Sorry, I actually just checked the record books, and all I see is 'Fogniniii..' with tonnes of 'i's.lags72 wrote:
But on court - and in the record books - I think history will show that the streak was ended by R. Federer.
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LuvSports! wrote:Haha prepare yourself yahoo.
No way, I will book my Holiday for the RG week
I think non-Djoko fans should get out of their cellophane fan wrap and think this year more into the Global Tennis problem/annoyance/plague called Djoko, and not into will my fav player win this or that, but who will beat Djoko before the Final.
This year I will support anyone that does beat Djoko, for the good of the tennis future on this Planet.
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Well, Rafa may have to fight harder these days even on clay; he may have reached a stage in his career something like Fed in 2010 and that is, he's not going to win that often on his favorite surface, just like Fed is not going to win every time he's playing on grass. Rafa's incredible record on clay has led us to have high expectations, even unrealistic expectations of him on clay. He'll have more off days going forward on clay, so we have to accept the losses and happy with the wins as they come.
If Rafa can't improve in time for the FO, I wonder who's the player who's going to challenge Novak at the FO. Nishikori?
If Rafa can't improve in time for the FO, I wonder who's the player who's going to challenge Novak at the FO. Nishikori?
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I checked out the link in your post above bogbrush, and chanced upon this classic line from socal :
"You call it an excuse if you like, fine I am making it, Roger and Fognini beat him in that Semi."
(that's an exact quote, I haven't made it up)
Now, I think Djokovic is a supremely talented player ; but even at his best I somehow doubt he could beat both Fed and Foggy in the same match, all on his own
Meanwhile I reckon Foggy must have seen socal's assessment - and drew such strength & confidence from it that he's progressed to comfortably taking out king-of-clay Rafa twice in succession ........
"You call it an excuse if you like, fine I am making it, Roger and Fognini beat him in that Semi."
(that's an exact quote, I haven't made it up)
Now, I think Djokovic is a supremely talented player ; but even at his best I somehow doubt he could beat both Fed and Foggy in the same match, all on his own
Meanwhile I reckon Foggy must have seen socal's assessment - and drew such strength & confidence from it that he's progressed to comfortably taking out king-of-clay Rafa twice in succession ........
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bogbrush wrote:Weren't we here in 2011?
Yes, thats why we don't want a repeat of the same poison every 4 years.
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What I mean is it was followed by a semi defeat to Fed, then later in the year an implosion at Cincinatti and trailing off later on.Jahu wrote:bogbrush wrote:Weren't we here in 2011?
Yes, thats why we don't want a repeat of the same poison every 4 years.
You don't win the year by April.
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Belovedluckyboy wrote:If Rafa can't improve in time for the FO, I wonder who's the player who's going to challenge Novak at the FO. Nishikori?
Fognini.
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bogbrush wrote:What I mean is it was followed by a semi defeat to Fed, then later in the year an implosion at Cincinatti and trailing off later on.Jahu wrote:bogbrush wrote:Weren't we here in 2011?
Yes, thats why we don't want a repeat of the same poison every 4 years.
You don't win the year by April.
I got it now, hope we have a repeat then
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Matchpoint wrote:Belovedluckyboy wrote:If Rafa can't improve in time for the FO, I wonder who's the player who's going to challenge Novak at the FO. Nishikori?
Fognini.
My god, you are getting worst then me, even quicker
Be more balanced please
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Well this is a stunner. I still don't think this means that Rafa won't be formidable and the favorite for RG. I think part of this slump is the adjustment to the new racquet as well. He is making a large amount of errors on the forehand side that we never used to see. Also he doesn't seem to have his big match legs yet either. Still there is a lot of tennis between now and the later rounds of RG. Till someone beats him there he still the favorite. But this has to be another big blow to his confidence. I thought he played really well against Almagro and then this happens next match.
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lags72 wrote:I checked out the link in your post above bogbrush, and chanced upon this classic line from socal :
"You call it an excuse if you like, fine I am making it, Roger and Fognini beat him in that Semi."
(that's an exact quote, I haven't made it up)
Now, I think Djokovic is a supremely talented player ; but even at his best I somehow doubt he could beat both Fed and Foggy in the same match, all on his own
Meanwhile I reckon Foggy must have seen socal's assessment - and drew such strength & confidence from it that he's progressed to comfortably taking out king-of-clay Rafa twice in succession ........
I have rehashed my position over the years, it was Fogniniiiiiiiii alone who beat Djokovic at the FO 2011.
But in all seriousness, I don't agree with all these people who say Foggy is a second tier player he is one of the best talents on clay he is just very inconsistent. But if Fabio is on he can trouble anyone on this surface include Novak and Nadal. Nadal didn't play as well as he can but Fabio is not a soft touch for anyone on this surface and on his day he can beat anyone.
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