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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 06 May 2015, 3:24 pm

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TNS -...............Con 33.................Lab .....32

Panelbase -.......SNP 48................Lab ......26 = wipeout !!

Opinion -..........Con 35.................Lab.......34

Yougov Wales...Lab 39..................Con 25..........Plaid 13 (Change the leader she's crap!!)

Comres .........Con 35..................Lab 30..........(Majority within the margin of error)

Yougov...........Con 34..................Lab 34...................

Ashcroft has Farage winning............

Ashcroft has Clegg safe.........

Ashcroft has IDS number 2 Esther Mcvey behind in her seat.............

Don't forget the big plus for the Tories is voter registration...................Like Republicans in the USA......They are more likely to register.....

Pollsters don't ask are you registered !!





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Post by Duty281 on Fri 08 May 2015, 11:39 am

Farage gone as well.

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Post by superflyweight on Fri 08 May 2015, 11:39 am

CaledonianCraig wrote:Truss take it from me the Laboutr party like the Tories are crushed in Scotland. There is no way back - both parties have had well over a hundred years of screwing Scotland and people have had enough and now the people have a viable option to vote for who are active in pushing for a lot of what Scots want.....independence. Labour and fat thud Gordon Brown killed many of the votes in Scotland with his illegal speech where (when polls in referendum a few days before the vote had yes vote level with no) he panicked fearing loss tried turning it into a Devo-max vote by promising this and that for Scotland if they voted no - promises never met. Another own goal by Labour adding to Blair's before that. The Labour party are a dead duck in Scotland.

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Post by GSC on Fri 08 May 2015, 11:39 am

Time will tell if the SNPs wave is sustainable, but for now, that's what it is, the crest of a wave. They are riding the independence vote momentum, only this time they can get away with half baked answers and still win majority votes.
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Post by seanmichaels on Fri 08 May 2015, 11:41 am

SNP have no more voice than they would have with 4 or 5 seats. Doubt they'll be able to disrupt many motions. these SNP jocks are worse tham moaning scousers

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Fri 08 May 2015, 11:43 am

superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Truss take it from me the Laboutr party like the Tories are crushed in Scotland. There is no way back - both parties have had well over a hundred years of screwing Scotland and people have had enough and now the people have a viable option to vote for who are active in pushing for a lot of what Scots want.....independence. Labour and fat thud Gordon Brown killed many of the votes in Scotland with his illegal speech where (when polls in referendum a few days before the vote had yes vote level with no) he panicked fearing loss tried turning it into a Devo-max vote by promising this and that for Scotland if they voted no - promises never met. Another own goal by Labour adding to Blair's before that. The Labour party are a dead duck in Scotland.

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The vote was for Independence okay? Gordon Brown came out and tried turning it into a question for Devo-Max which the referendum was never about. It was a scaremongering plead to vote no borne out of desperation and it worked. Empty promises they turned out to be though and even Labour voters who were split in independence vote can now see they were conned into voting no.
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Post by seanmichaels on Fri 08 May 2015, 11:45 am

Scots can't be trusted with a vote.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Fri 08 May 2015, 11:46 am

seanmichaels wrote:SNP have no more voice than they would have with 4 or 5 seats. Doubt they'll be able to disrupt many motions. these SNP jocks are worse tham moaning scousers

Really? But what are we talking about here? The Scottish voters have voted almost unaminously for the SNP. Whilst in England you have voted for either Tories (a history of screwing Britain over with poll tax, privatisation and scandals) or Labour (a history of lies, false wars and scandals). Hmm great options there. Great indeed. Rolling Eyes
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Post by GSC on Fri 08 May 2015, 11:46 am

Feel sorry for Clegg. Been hung out to dry sadly.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Fri 08 May 2015, 11:46 am

Clegg is better than his resignation shows. Feel like he made a decision to join a coalition everyone would have made, but broke promises (the major one being the tuition fees) early on, probably without a choice.

One of the most successful and one of the least successful Lib Dem leaders all at once.

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Post by superflyweight on Fri 08 May 2015, 11:49 am

superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Truss take it from me the Laboutr party like the Tories are crushed in Scotland. There is no way back - both parties have had well over a hundred years of screwing Scotland and people have had enough and now the people have a viable option to vote for who are active in pushing for a lot of what Scots want.....independence. Labour and fat thud Gordon Brown killed many of the votes in Scotland with his illegal speech where (when polls in referendum a few days before the vote had yes vote level with no) he panicked fearing loss tried turning it into a Devo-max vote by promising this and that for Scotland if they voted no - promises never met. Another own goal by Labour adding to Blair's before that. The Labour party are a dead duck in Scotland.

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So not an illegal speech then?

I think you're overselling the importance of that speech and the influence it had. I voted No and it had no bearing either way on my vote - it certainly didn't result in a winning swing of votes to No. Scotland was always voting No in that referendum regardless.

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Post by superflyweight on Fri 08 May 2015, 11:50 am

CaledonianCraig wrote:
seanmichaels wrote:SNP have no more voice than they would have with 4 or 5 seats. Doubt they'll be able to disrupt many motions. these SNP jocks are worse tham moaning scousers

Really? But what are we talking about here? The Scottish voters have voted almost unaminously for the SNP. Whilst in England you have voted for either Tories (a history of screwing Britain over with poll tax, privatisation and scandals) or Labour (a history of lies, false wars and scandals). Hmm great options there. Great indeed. Rolling Eyes

Only around 50% have.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 08 May 2015, 11:53 am

GSC wrote:Feel sorry for Clegg. Been hung out to dry sadly.

I'm glad his party got slaughtered...and you can understand it too...

"Brains in a labour govt..............Or a heart in a tory one !!"

So which one of them two parties do you want us to vote for Nick ???

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Post by Adam D on Fri 08 May 2015, 11:54 am

The one thing that Craig has shown is that the vast majority of SNP voters are more vocal about their allegiances than other parties.

I actually think that by the time the next GE comes around, things will be a lot worse for Scotland which will undoubtedly spun on to the Tories causing issues from London.

Talking of illegal activities, I had an SNP campaigner ring my doorbell at 9pm last night asking if I had voted yet. He said that if I hadnt, I should go an vote SNP.

I thought this was illegal?

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Fri 08 May 2015, 11:57 am

superflyweight wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Truss take it from me the Laboutr party like the Tories are crushed in Scotland. There is no way back - both parties have had well over a hundred years of screwing Scotland and people have had enough and now the people have a viable option to vote for who are active in pushing for a lot of what Scots want.....independence. Labour and fat thud Gordon Brown killed many of the votes in Scotland with his illegal speech where (when polls in referendum a few days before the vote had yes vote level with no) he panicked fearing loss tried turning it into a Devo-max vote by promising this and that for Scotland if they voted no - promises never met. Another own goal by Labour adding to Blair's before that. The Labour party are a dead duck in Scotland.

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So not an illegal speech then?  

I think you're overselling the importance of that speech and the influence it had.  I voted No and it had no bearing either way on my vote - it certainly didn't result in a winning swing of votes to No.  Scotland was always voting No in that referendum regardless.  

Think about it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/scottish-independence-yes-vote-takes-shock-lead-in-poll-for-first-time-9716619.html

Shortly, before the independence vote. Brown hastily (shortly after this) put together a last minute plea promising this and that if there was a no vote and tried turning it into a Devo-Max issue which it never was. Those promises have not been addressed okay so if it wasn't an issue why has Labour bombed disasterously in this election in Scotland then? I know of many who voted no and have openly come out and admitted they felt duped by these promises and would never be duped again. Looks like many of those voted with that in mind.
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 08 May 2015, 11:58 am

Adam D wrote:The one thing that Craig has shown is that the vast majority of SNP voters are more vocal about their allegiances than other parties.

I actually think that by the time the next GE comes around, things will be a lot worse for Scotland which will undoubtedly spun on to the Tories causing issues from London.

Talking of illegal activities, I had an SNP campaigner ring my doorbell at 9pm last night asking if I had voted yet. He said that if I hadnt, I should go an vote SNP.

I thought this was illegal?

Should feel lucky..................Never got anyone banging on our door (apart from the usual bevy of sexy blondes when my Wife's car leaves the drive)...............Then again I imagine the area is written off as Tory/UKIP.........

You'd think we'd have seen the incumbent Lib dem though..............He must have known he was under the kosh......


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Post by CaledonianCraig on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:00 pm

Adam D wrote:The one thing that Craig has shown is that the vast majority of SNP voters are more vocal about their allegiances than other parties.

I actually think that by the time the next GE comes around, things will be a lot worse for Scotland which will undoubtedly spun on to the Tories causing issues from London.

Talking of illegal activities, I had an SNP campaigner ring my doorbell at 9pm last night asking if I had voted yet. He said that if I hadnt, I should go an vote SNP.

I thought this was illegal?

Hmm well if you think that is bad how about the scaremongering companies who threatened to pull out of Scotland if a yes vote was passed such as Asda, RBS etc and the Gordon Brown blatant blackmailing (and that from an ex-prime minister) - says it all about that party and others that continue to govern the UK.
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Post by Adam D on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:02 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
Adam D wrote:The one thing that Craig has shown is that the vast majority of SNP voters are more vocal about their allegiances than other parties.

I actually think that by the time the next GE comes around, things will be a lot worse for Scotland which will undoubtedly spun on to the Tories causing issues from London.

Talking of illegal activities, I had an SNP campaigner ring my doorbell at 9pm last night asking if I had voted yet. He said that if I hadnt, I should go an vote SNP.

I thought this was illegal?

Hmm well if you think that is bad how about the scaremongering companies who threatened to pull out of Scotland if a yes vote was passed such as Asda, RBS etc and the Gordon Brown blatant blackmailing (and that from an ex-prime minister) - says it all about that party and others that continue to govern the UK.

Firstly, you are claiming that one illegal activity is okay (as long as it SNP) and the other (non illegal (ie legal)) activity is worse.

Secondly, last time I checked, Asda is part of Walmart, one of the largest firms in the world. What have they got to do with the British Government? If they felt that Scotlands economy would be kaput, what exactly has that got to do with DC and co?

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Post by GSC on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:07 pm

The SNP have never had any solid answers on the future (particularly the economy) and deflect by pointing out how evil the Tories are. That's why Independence failed rather some "illegal" Brown speech or major corporations threatening to move their headquarters south. People that were scared off by that but agreed with independence if the answers were solid were now free to vote for a MP
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:10 pm

Adam D wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
Adam D wrote:The one thing that Craig has shown is that the vast majority of SNP voters are more vocal about their allegiances than other parties.

I actually think that by the time the next GE comes around, things will be a lot worse for Scotland which will undoubtedly spun on to the Tories causing issues from London.

Talking of illegal activities, I had an SNP campaigner ring my doorbell at 9pm last night asking if I had voted yet. He said that if I hadnt, I should go an vote SNP.

I thought this was illegal?

Hmm well if you think that is bad how about the scaremongering companies who threatened to pull out of Scotland if a yes vote was passed such as Asda, RBS etc and the Gordon Brown blatant blackmailing (and that from an ex-prime minister) - says it all about that party and others that continue to govern the UK.

Firstly, you are claiming that one illegal activity is okay (as long as it SNP) and the other (non illegal (ie legal)) activity is worse.

Secondly, last time I checked, Asda is part of Walmart, one of the largest firms in the world. What have they got to do with the British Government? If they felt that Scotlands economy would be kaput, what exactly has that got to do with DC and co?

In all fairness Adam there is a massive difference of knocking on voters doors compared to Gordon Brown trying and succeeding in many voters case in turning the independence vote from that into a vote on Devo-Max and he used to be the Prime Minister for god sake. And come on even aside from companies pulling out the scaremongering from Tories and Labour over what would happen if there was a no vote was pure and simply big boy intimidation and it worked in many instances.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:12 pm

GSC wrote:The SNP have never had any solid answers on the future (particularly the economy) and deflect by pointing out how evil the Tories are. That's why Independence failed rather some "illegal" Brown speech or major corporations threatening to move their headquarters south. People that were scared off by that but agreed with independence if the answers were solid were now free to vote for a MP

Whether there is any truth in this or not can you explain why there was such a landslide vote for the SNP from Scottish voters?
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Post by Rowley on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:12 pm

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Hmm well if you think that is bad how about the scaremongering companies who threatened to pull out of Scotland if a yes vote was passed such as Asda, RBS etc

Is it scaremongering if they mean it? Suspect we will see plenty do likewise with the UK should the EU referendum come to pass. Companies giving voters up front information about the consequences of their decisions is not scremongering just because it means it might influence people to vote in a manner you don't agree with.

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Post by GSC on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:14 pm

Landslide = 50% of the vote apparently
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Post by GSC on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:15 pm

HSBC are threatening to move from London at the moment.
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Post by Derbymanc on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:16 pm

I thought Salmond did enough of that with his brilliant economic policy
'we're using the pound'
'No your not'
'Well we can use the euro'
'No you can't'
'Back to the pound'
'We won't support it'
'We'll use it anyway'

A lot of the lads I worked with changed to no on that basis (If the leader doesn't know what your doing then it doesn't bode well for the future)

Oh and yes there is a difference Craig, one's illegal, the other isn't.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:17 pm

Rowley wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
Hmm well if you think that is bad how about the scaremongering companies who threatened to pull out of Scotland if a yes vote was passed such as Asda, RBS etc

Is it scaremongering if they mean it? Suspect we will see plenty do likewise with the UK should the EU referendum come to pass. Companies giving voters up front information about the consequences of their decisions is not scaremongering just because it means it might influence people to vote in a manner you don't agree with.

In all fairness though how would any floating voter feel if you have companies threatening to do this or that if a decision is voted for that they don't agree with. That influences a lot of people however you want to look at it.
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Post by Duty281 on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:20 pm

Relief!

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:21 pm

Must admit there does seem a very unpleasant element in the SNP...........

Tories and Labour politicians have all moaned about intimidation..

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Post by GSC on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:22 pm

He had to go. He was getting pushed otherwise. This result is indefensible
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Duty281 wrote:Relief!

Duty is a closet Harriet Harman fan !! Wink Wink

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:22 pm

The Economist wrote:From Espresso: Labour failed. The Liberal Democrats were massacred. The United Kingdom Independence Party was thwarted, taking around 12% of the vote but just a single constituency (another reason to regard Britain’s electoral system as hopelessly decrepit). When the votes were counted in Britain’s general election last night, there were lots of losers—but none more humiliated than the pollsters, who until the end were predicting a hung parliament, in which Ed Miliband, Labour’s now-doomed leader, seemed as likely to become prime minister as David Cameron. Instead, as the final results trickled in, Mr Cameron’s Conservatives seem set for a thin but astonishing overall majority, securing another five years in government, this time without the need for coalition partners. The other triumphant victors were the separatist Scottish National Party, who swept all but three of Scotland’s 59 seats. That Scottish landslide may in time mean the union itself ranks among last night’s victims.

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Post by Derbymanc on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:24 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
Rowley wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
Hmm well if you think that is bad how about the scaremongering companies who threatened to pull out of Scotland if a yes vote was passed such as Asda, RBS etc

Is it scaremongering if they mean it? Suspect we will see plenty do likewise with the UK should the EU referendum come to pass. Companies giving voters up front information about the consequences of their decisions is not scaremongering just because it means it might influence people to vote in a manner you don't agree with.

In all fairness though how would any floating voter feel if you have companies threatening to do this or that if a decision is voted for that they don't agree with. That influences a lot of people however you want to look at it.

Or it's the companies themselves letting the population know how they feel. Wouldn't you rather you know straight away there's a chance of people being made redundant etc rather than it come as a massive shock and therefore a massive burden on your population?

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Post by GSC on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:24 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
Rowley wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
Hmm well if you think that is bad how about the scaremongering companies who threatened to pull out of Scotland if a yes vote was passed such as Asda, RBS etc

Is it scaremongering if they mean it? Suspect we will see plenty do likewise with the UK should the EU referendum come to pass. Companies giving voters up front information about the consequences of their decisions is not scaremongering just because it means it might influence people to vote in a manner you don't agree with.

In all fairness though how would any floating voter feel if you have companies threatening to do this or that if a decision is voted for that they don't agree with. That influences a lot of people however you want to look at it.

Should voters not have a true image of what the country would look like in a yes vote? Or that only positive outcomes should've been reported?

Then again the yes vote was based on ignorance of that reality.
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Post by Duty281 on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:25 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Relief!

Duty is a closet Harriet Harman fan !! Wink Wink

That vile creature is certainly the only girl in my world.

I'd rather Tony Blair gave it another go!

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:26 pm

The unionists have climbed Everest......................and Labour are at rock bottom......

Only way for one is down and for the other is up...........

Question is how long...

Wouldn't mind seeing Blair come back...Duty.


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Post by CaledonianCraig on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:27 pm

Derbymanc wrote:I thought Salmond did enough of that with his brilliant economic policy
'we're using the pound'
'No your not'
'Well we can use the euro'
'No you can't'
'Back to the pound'
'We won't support it'
'We'll use it anyway'

A lot of the lads I worked with changed to no on that basis (If the leader doesn't know what your doing then it doesn't bode well for the future)

Oh and yes there is a difference Craig, one's illegal, the other isn't.

But there in itself is an instance you pluck out. The whole pound issue wasn't down to Cameron to say whether Scotland could or couldn't use it that decision would have come further down the line with various interested parties. However, it was another form of scaremongering again you see. I mean it was a weapon used to try to twist people into voting no. That is your Labour and Tory tactics right there. I never got the gist of anything from Westminster during that referendum to convince Scots to stay as in health, jobs, financial matters etc. It was more a negative slant such as you can't have the pound, you are turning away the Queen, you can't keep the NHS etc etc. Nothing positive - all negative.

Well I have had many candidates knocking on my door asking for their votes so sounds no different to the SNP. As for independence vote - that is what the vote was for. Originally, years before there was a vote for whether the question should be on Independence or Devo-Max and the Scottish public chose Independence so that should have been the end of it. However when yes vote edged ahead in polls as the referendum day neared Brown tried turning it into a vote on Devo-Max to grab back some no voters. Sorry but if you can't see that as morally wrong then that is your look out.
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:29 pm

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Derbymanc wrote:I thought Salmond did enough of that with his brilliant economic policy
'we're using the pound'
'No your not'
'Well we can use the euro'
'No you can't'
'Back to the pound'
'We won't support it'
'We'll use it anyway'

A lot of the lads I worked with changed to no on that basis (If the leader doesn't know what your doing then it doesn't bode well for the future)

Oh and yes there is a difference Craig, one's illegal, the other isn't.

But there in itself is an instance you pluck out. The whole pound issue wasn't down to Cameron to say whether Scotland could or couldn't use it that decision would have come further down the line with various interested parties. However, it was another form of scaremongering again you see. I mean it was a weapon used to try to twist people into voting no. That is your Labour and Tory tactics right there. I never got the gist of anything from Westminster during that referendum to convince Scots to stay as in health, jobs, financial matters etc. It was more a negative slant such as you can't have the pound, you are turning away the Queen, you can't keep the NHS etc etc. Nothing positive - all negative.

Well I have had many candidates knocking on my door asking for their votes so sounds no different to the SNP. As for independence vote - that is what the vote was for. Originally, years before there was a vote for whether the question should be on Independence or Devo-Max and the Scottish public chose Independence so that should have been the end of it. However when yes vote edged ahead in polls as the referendum day neared Brown tried turning it into a vote on Devo-Max to grab back some no voters. Sorry but if you can't see that as morally wrong then that is your look out.

I don't think a lot of SNP voters think that deeply Mate....

This was as much of a we hate Labour vote as a we love the SNP one..............

Time is a great healer ....remember that !!

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Post by GSC on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:31 pm

Essentially, its scaremongering to point out any negative outcome of the yes vote, that the SNP had no answer for.

Got it
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:31 pm

Derbymanc wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
Rowley wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
Hmm well if you think that is bad how about the scaremongering companies who threatened to pull out of Scotland if a yes vote was passed such as Asda, RBS etc

Is it scaremongering if they mean it? Suspect we will see plenty do likewise with the UK should the EU referendum come to pass. Companies giving voters up front information about the consequences of their decisions is not scaremongering just because it means it might influence people to vote in a manner you don't agree with.

In all fairness though how would any floating voter feel if you have companies threatening to do this or that if a decision is voted for that they don't agree with. That influences a lot of people however you want to look at it.

Or it's the companies themselves letting the population know how they feel. Wouldn't you rather you know straight away there's a chance of people being made redundant etc rather than it come as a massive shock and therefore a massive burden on your population?

No one up there assumed it would have been a cakewalk but before you lambast the SNP and their policies they do have much that people in England would like in place - free prescriptions for all and tuition fees are no issue hence you now have an overswell of non-Scots students in colleges and universities now so it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth as I watched independence result and seeing English students in Edinburgh celebrating the no vote. Seems kind of wrong don't you think?
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Post by Rowley on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:32 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
Rowley wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
Hmm well if you think that is bad how about the scaremongering companies who threatened to pull out of Scotland if a yes vote was passed such as Asda, RBS etc

Is it scaremongering if they mean it? Suspect we will see plenty do likewise with the UK should the EU referendum come to pass. Companies giving voters up front information about the consequences of their decisions is not scaremongering just because it means it might influence people to vote in a manner you don't agree with.

In all fairness though how would any floating voter feel if you have companies threatening to do this or that if a decision is voted for that they don't agree with. That influences a lot of people however you want to look at it.

So your scared that people who are undecided may be given too much information with which to make their decision?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:35 pm

Note to Labour and the Greens.............In 2020 go canvassing with a file, pen and hammer in your hand !! Laugh Laugh Laugh

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:35 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:I thought Salmond did enough of that with his brilliant economic policy
'we're using the pound'
'No your not'
'Well we can use the euro'
'No you can't'
'Back to the pound'
'We won't support it'
'We'll use it anyway'

A lot of the lads I worked with changed to no on that basis (If the leader doesn't know what your doing then it doesn't bode well for the future)

Oh and yes there is a difference Craig, one's illegal, the other isn't.

But there in itself is an instance you pluck out. The whole pound issue wasn't down to Cameron to say whether Scotland could or couldn't use it that decision would have come further down the line with various interested parties. However, it was another form of scaremongering again you see. I mean it was a weapon used to try to twist people into voting no. That is your Labour and Tory tactics right there. I never got the gist of anything from Westminster during that referendum to convince Scots to stay as in health, jobs, financial matters etc. It was more a negative slant such as you can't have the pound, you are turning away the Queen, you can't keep the NHS etc etc. Nothing positive - all negative.

Well I have had many candidates knocking on my door asking for their votes so sounds no different to the SNP. As for independence vote - that is what the vote was for. Originally, years before there was a vote for whether the question should be on Independence or Devo-Max and the Scottish public chose Independence so that should have been the end of it. However when yes vote edged ahead in polls as the referendum day neared Brown tried turning it into a vote on Devo-Max to grab back some no voters. Sorry but if you can't see that as morally wrong then that is your look out.

I don't think a lot of SNP voters think that deeply Mate....

This was as much of a we hate Labour vote as a we love the SNP one..............

Time is a great healer ....remember that !!

No you don't get it. Time is only a healer if Labour or Tories have the medicine for Scotland and its voters and it doesn't. The Tories have not been able to heal anything in Scotland for 20 years and counting and Labour's ailing in Scotland is just getting under way.
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Post by SecretFly on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:36 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Must admit there does seem a very unpleasant element in the SNP...........

Tories and Labour politicians have all moaned about intimidation..

Revolutions are always a little rowdy.... even thankfully Peaceful ones...

But the image I have in my head is that lad, Jim Murphy.  He spent the entire duration of the Independence Referendum Period trying to pretend he couldn't get a word in edgeways because of the constant noise from the unmannerly SNP lot.  All I ever heard him do was moan and grimace and whine about not being able to speak:  "Would you not let me finish??" "Will you let me have my opinion?"  "Please, please - give me the time to have my opinion without interrupting!"  Even when not being heckled, he tried to create the emotions of being heckled whenever he met an SNPer.

Of course, the older guys here know that's a classic gimmick to pretend you're being given a rough ride by unreasonable people.  It worked a little in the results of the Independent Referendum but ol' Jim tried her again - let's go where I know we'll get a rough ride and we'll bring the cameras to show what rough f**kers these SNP guys are.

Didn't work this time, Jim.  It's called robust debate.  Someone shouts in your face, you shout back - like the Commons. Wink  Cameron and Miliband knew how to do it there.  And your history tells us you're no shrinking violet yourself.  The old 'victim' card didn't work - or maybe it did considering the personal result for him.

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Post by GSC on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:37 pm

And there's a Conservative Majority
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:37 pm

Rowley wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
Rowley wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
Hmm well if you think that is bad how about the scaremongering companies who threatened to pull out of Scotland if a yes vote was passed such as Asda, RBS etc

Is it scaremongering if they mean it? Suspect we will see plenty do likewise with the UK should the EU referendum come to pass. Companies giving voters up front information about the consequences of their decisions is not scaremongering just because it means it might influence people to vote in a manner you don't agree with.

In all fairness though how would any floating voter feel if you have companies threatening to do this or that if a decision is voted for that they don't agree with. That influences a lot of people however you want to look at it.

So your scared that people who are undecided may be given too much information with which to make their decision?

But are/were the companies ever going to do so - that is the point. People/companies say things to influence people in whatever way they can.
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Post by GSC on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:39 pm

Jesus wept.

Yes, the big multinationals are just making empty threats on behalf of the British Government.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:41 pm

GSC wrote:Landslide = 50% of the vote apparently

56 out of 59 seats. What would you call it?
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Post by Rowley on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:42 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
Rowley wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
Rowley wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
Hmm well if you think that is bad how about the scaremongering companies who threatened to pull out of Scotland if a yes vote was passed such as Asda, RBS etc

Is it scaremongering if they mean it? Suspect we will see plenty do likewise with the UK should the EU referendum come to pass. Companies giving voters up front information about the consequences of their decisions is not scaremongering just because it means it might influence people to vote in a manner you don't agree with.

In all fairness though how would any floating voter feel if you have companies threatening to do this or that if a decision is voted for that they don't agree with. That influences a lot of people however you want to look at it.

So your scared that people who are undecided may be given too much information with which to make their decision?

But are/were the companies ever going to do so - that is the point. People/companies say things to influence people in whatever way they can.

Can only comment for myself, but if I was facing the decision about independence, or indeed leaving the EEA in a couple of years, if there was a possibility major employers would be leaving the country was the decision contrary to their wishes I would like to know that before I ticked a particular box.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:50 pm

GSC wrote:Jesus wept.

Yes, the big multinationals are just making empty threats on behalf of the British Government.

And I could use the same terminology on yourself if you think the independence vote was a massive cry out in support of the union. It was a 5% margin and to think a few years ago I think the yes vote was much lower. It is a growing voice calling for independence and this election result says it wasn't a freak result and it isn't going away anytime soon.

Frankly, the whole political system in Britain needs revamped. England needs its own parliament as well as you have growing parties such as UKIP who are now getting second place in many seats now and in local elections have many seats. Tories can no longer command massive majorities of the 1980's or 90's and Labour likewise. If the Tories and Labour parties continue down the same old road UKIP will become the SNP of England and will gain traction as well. The political picture and landscape has changed immeasurably and I don't see them changing.
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Post by GSC on Fri 08 May 2015, 12:50 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
GSC wrote:Landslide = 50% of the vote apparently

56 out of 59 seats. What would you call it?

You referred to voters. Only 50% of them voted for the SNP
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