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Post by McLaren on Thu 07 May 2015, 10:17 am

or who are you going to vote for.
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Post by super_realist on Thu 07 May 2015, 10:18 am

still not sure Mac. need to check the potential swing/majority, why put up a poll you haven't even voted on? Just like keeping your job secret, are you doing the same with your vote?

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Post by McLaren on Thu 07 May 2015, 10:24 am

Happy?
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Post by super_realist on Thu 07 May 2015, 10:25 am

Protest vote?

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Post by McLaren on Thu 07 May 2015, 10:29 am

No, on paper they are the closest to my humanist values and I have voted for them in the past. (although the scottish greens position on the referendum was crazy and disappointing).

And the SNP will win whatever I vote for.
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Post by super_realist on Thu 07 May 2015, 10:31 am

SNP won't win in Edinburgh.

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Post by McLaren on Thu 07 May 2015, 10:34 am

Thats great news.
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Post by super_realist on Thu 07 May 2015, 10:37 am

What i've wondered is if the Labour form a coalition with the BNP, sorry SNP, how could Jimmy Krankie be Deputy PM? She doesn't have a Westminster seat, so surely couldn't be involved. Salmond doesn't either, so would they just have some puppet no mark?

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Post by McLaren on Thu 07 May 2015, 10:42 am

Salmond is running in Gordon. So he will be an MP come this evening.
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Post by super_realist on Thu 07 May 2015, 10:44 am

Gordon has been Lib Dem since 1983 and voted 2-1 against Independence. I wouldn't say his chances of becoming an MP are that great. The SNP are not liked up here.


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Post by McLaren on Thu 07 May 2015, 10:44 am

Anyway, who are you going to vote for?
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Post by MontysMerkin on Thu 07 May 2015, 10:45 am

Terrible to say it but it makes no difference. All parties have basically agreed what they will debate and have ignored whole swathes of stuff people are interested in. Invested interests have made 'democracy' a joke (See leveson enquiry, bank regulation, business tax loopholes etc)
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Post by super_realist on Thu 07 May 2015, 10:46 am

McLaren wrote:Anyway, who are you going to vote for?
I said I don't know.

Just looked up Gordon, a near 7000 majority.

I'd vote for anyone who starts taxing churches and religion though. Getting tax free status is a disgrace especially when they complain about Amazon and the likes not paying tax, they are just as bad, especially COE which sit on 8bn of wealth.

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Post by SmithersJones on Thu 07 May 2015, 10:56 am

super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:Anyway, who are you going to vote for?
I said I don't know.

Just looked up Gordon, a near 7000 majority.

I'd vote for anyone who starts taxing churches and religion though. Getting tax free status is a disgrace especially when they complain about Amazon and the likes not paying tax, they are just as bad, especially COE which sit on 8bn of wealth.

And still takes every penny it can off the poor saps who turn up every week, pleading poverty and claiming they can't afford to fix the roof.
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Post by super_realist on Thu 07 May 2015, 10:59 am

Even worse than that Smithers, they also get the "gift aid" back on it.

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Post by McLaren on Thu 07 May 2015, 11:00 am

Super

You had better make up your mind soon. At the moment what are you most likely to vote for?
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Post by super_realist on Thu 07 May 2015, 11:02 am

I did think about voting Labour to keep the SNP out, however SNP are the 3rd party in my constituency and I don't really care about who my MP is a member of, but the fewer Labour seats the better as they might end up in coalition with the Sweaties anyway.

Complicated.


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Post by McLaren on Thu 07 May 2015, 11:10 am

So you are voting Tory?
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Post by super_realist on Thu 07 May 2015, 11:12 am

No, there's no point in that either, so that leaves by deduction Lib Dems.

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Post by MontysMerkin on Thu 07 May 2015, 11:16 am

Oh and £25 billion of taxpayers money going to private land lords in the form of housing benefit Headscratch
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Post by McLaren on Thu 07 May 2015, 11:19 am

super try this out.

http://tacticalvoter.pythonanywhere.com/


It has all the poll data fed into it an tells you how to vote tactically for you constituency.

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Post by super_realist on Thu 07 May 2015, 11:21 am

Cheers Mac, very handy.

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Post by McLaren on Thu 07 May 2015, 11:25 am

I notice the UKIP voters remains anonymous.  Cowards.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Thu 07 May 2015, 11:44 am

Not voted yet. Not sure if I will but feel I should. Torn between Lab/Con/Lib/UKIP to be honest.
Probably not UKIP for all the local candidate seems to talk some surprising sense except re. Europe.
Tories? Hmm. Painful for many but economy seems to be on the way up in advance of many others similarly trashed in '08 etc. Dislike Cameron immensely - weasel - and have a philosophical issue with a lot of their social policies and I don't trust them an inch over recent furore re. future(or not) benefit policy.
Labour? Hmm. Don't blame them for the crash per se but they didn't do anything when it would have been apparent it was on the way. PFI has and will be a nightmare for NHS. Not sure another party in Government at the same time would have acted any different though so not going to hold it against them too much. Not sure I like Milliband's pledge re. HE fees.
Liberals? Shame about the tuition fees débacle and I think they've been used unfairly by Tories and press as a whipping boy the last 5 years. Seems unfair they're getting hammered over the tuition fee thing when all parties always renege on pre-election promises.

Probably Liberal I reckon. May simply spoil ballot when I'm actually there though...
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Post by McLaren on Thu 07 May 2015, 12:00 pm

I really don't understand people who don't vote. There is no good reason not to vote.


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Post by pedro on Thu 07 May 2015, 12:37 pm

McLaren wrote:I notice the UKIP voters remains anonymous.  Cowards.
Think you can assume they're the ones who categorically refuse to cheer for our Ryder Cup team and still prefer the old format.

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Post by incontinentia on Thu 07 May 2015, 12:49 pm

McLaren wrote:I really don't understand people who don't vote.  There is no good reason not to vote.


Its an illusion of democracy designed to placate the masses.
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Post by beninho on Thu 07 May 2015, 1:09 pm

I will vote Lib Dem, it will make no difference as my constituency is as safe a blue seat as can be. And the son of Douglas Hurd is MP, the neighbouring seat, which is where i work, has had Boris jump in. So its as safe as houses for them.

I think we need proportional representation. And I think the Tories may soon, after losing the election but likely having the most MPs.

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Post by Bob_the_Job on Thu 07 May 2015, 1:24 pm

"One of the Irish ones"? It's Northern Irish you fool - if in doubt read the front of your passport. My grandfather fought and died so you'd not be speaking German you know etc etc. And besides, to group them together like that is meaningless if you're trying to guess the composition of a parliament as there is no way they would all go into the same coalition, and some don't even take their seats.

Secondly, not voting is still expressing free will. There should be a rule (if there is not already) that a less than 50% turn out means that none of the politicians has done a good enough job and they should be sent back to try harder and do better, or binned and a new lot given a go.
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Post by MontysMerkin on Thu 07 May 2015, 2:00 pm

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Secondly, not voting is still expressing free will.  There should be a rule (if there is not already) that a less than 50% turn out means that none of the politicians has done a good enough job and they should be sent back to try harder and do better, or binned and a new lot given a go.
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Post by LadyPutt on Thu 07 May 2015, 2:10 pm

pedro wrote:
McLaren wrote:I notice the UKIP voters remains anonymous.  Cowards.
Think you can assume they're the ones who categorically refuse to cheer for our Ryder Cup team and still prefer the old format.
Really?
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Post by SmithersJones on Thu 07 May 2015, 2:21 pm

Either we're all lying, are bizarrely unrepresentative or there's going to be a really weird government come tomorrow.
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Post by super_realist on Thu 07 May 2015, 2:25 pm

I'm not taking responsibility for the SNP vote. Wasn't me.

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Post by McLaren on Thu 07 May 2015, 2:35 pm

Who did you go for Super?
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Post by super_realist on Thu 07 May 2015, 2:36 pm

Still at work Mac, I won't be down the PS until later

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Post by McLaren on Thu 07 May 2015, 2:40 pm

Surely you apply more thought and reasoning to your vote than just picking while standing int he voting booth? You must know who you will go for by now.
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Post by beninho on Thu 07 May 2015, 3:04 pm

Surely from his posts SR will be going Lib Dem. And a wise choice it will be!

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Post by McLaren on Thu 07 May 2015, 3:20 pm

ben

He only seemed to come to that conclusion a hour ago. That is still pretty last minute, and he hinted he may even change his mind again.


I wonder if conservatives like super are more comfortable voting lib dem now that they have seen how conservative like they can be in government?
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Post by Bob_the_Job on Thu 07 May 2015, 3:25 pm

McLaren wrote:ben

He only seemed to come to that conclusion a hour ago.  That is still pretty last minute, and he hinted he may even change his mind again. ..

Imagine that - someone changing their mind over time as they contemplate something and evolve their thinking.. Heresy I say!
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Post by McLaren on Thu 07 May 2015, 3:32 pm

Bob,

Of course change beliefs over time as you come across new pieces of evidence. But surely all the evidence that will become available in terms of choosing your vote has been available for some time?

No new evidence has materialized about what each party will offer for quite some time and the analysis is pretty simple so it is not like you could still be trying to process the evidence on offer.
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Post by Bob_the_Job on Thu 07 May 2015, 3:57 pm

That's why I said "contemplate" not "discover" (you have accused others of being incapable of reading and comprehending.. so you know, pot/kettle).  

There is no evidence as you mention - there are just themes, concepts, loose promises and spin, so naturally your belief or attraction to them can alter as you mull them over repeatedly.  If it doesn't then you're a marketing person/spin doctors wet dream.


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Post by barragan on Thu 07 May 2015, 4:07 pm

super_realist wrote:SNP won't win in Edinburgh.

according to mac's link snp are going to walk edinburgh's 5 seats... Shocked feel sorry for the sitting lib dem in ours, resigned from government over tuition fees, voted against government on number of issues. looks like he's going to struggle. not had a single flier through door from snp - they obviously dont think they even need to bother canvassing round here...

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Post by golfermartin on Thu 07 May 2015, 4:42 pm

Since any party that "wins" will be in coalition, they won't be able to implement most of what is in their manifestos anyway.

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Post by super_realist on Thu 07 May 2015, 4:50 pm

McLaren wrote:ben

He only seemed to come to that conclusion a hour ago.  That is still pretty last minute, and he hinted he may even change his mind again.


I wonder if conservatives like super are more comfortable voting lib dem now that they have seen how conservative like they can be in government?

You might think I'm Conservative, yet, i've never voted conservative. You can be right of centre, but not vote Tory.

Just as you can Vote Green (Laugh) and not be a lily livered, yoghurt knitting, mungbean munching, guardian reader, I've yet to meet one, but I'm sure they exist.

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Post by beninho on Thu 07 May 2015, 7:03 pm

Uxbridge has a realists party candidate to stand against Boris. That's gotta be your party.

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Post by JAS on Thu 07 May 2015, 7:56 pm

Had to put "other" as you never had "none of the above" as an option. I exercise my right to cast my vote but none of the freeloading egotistical tossers deserve my vote. Imagine if more than half the population did the same.

I can't vote Tory as I vowed I would never ever vote for them in my life during the miners strike in 1985 and I've stuck to it ever since.
Cant vote Labour, I was a card carrying member until IR35 came onto the statute book in 1999/2000. The moment that happened I tore up my card and sent the pieces with a strongly worded letter to my constituency office detailing what lunacy it was. I've stuck to that too.
The Greens & UKIP are just single issue idiots, blinded by their hobby horse issues with no credible policies on most other issues.
That just leaves the principle-less Lib Dems who try to make a virtue of being somewhere in the sensible middle.

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Post by Davie on Thu 07 May 2015, 8:33 pm

30 years is a long time to hold a grudge. Surely the idea of an election vote is to vote for someone you think would be good for the country today - not 30 years ago

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Post by super_realist on Thu 07 May 2015, 9:02 pm

Davie wrote:30 years is a long time to hold a grudge. Surely the idea of an election vote is to vote for someone you think would be good for the country today - not 30 years ago

Could be a Scottish thing Davie. You'll get young voters today who weren't even born when Thatcher left, but they go by reputation and claim they'll never vote Tory, even though they don't know why (I'm not saying JAS is like that, more the antiestablishment, anti capitalist youth type)

Agreed, holding a grudge for that long seems peevish. Bit like not buying a type of car today, based on its reputation in the 1980's.

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Post by JAS on Thu 07 May 2015, 9:15 pm

The principles that motivated them haven't changed, they'll quite happily crush the working class if there's a few bob in it for them. Many quite rightly condemn the Blair government for committing troops to an unwinnable war in the desert. What a lot of the same people don't realise is that the Tories committed a lot of troops against their own people. Many of the "police" manning picket lines weren't actually police at all but troops in police uniforms. That strike was bugger all to do with economics (except for the economics of Mark Thatchers coal import company) It was about the haves desperately trying to crush the have nots by divide and conquer. Those things just don't get forgotten. So each election for me is about the Sinister Vs the Incompetent....None of the above is the logical conclusion.



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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 07 May 2015, 9:22 pm

Completely agree about Thatcher JAS.
Haven't experienced the current crop up close and personal but don't doubt what you say.
If they evoke Thatcher half as much as Republicans evoke (the awful) Reagan, god save us.

As for Blair and Iraq; it looked from 3,000 miles away as if that was Blair trying to be President, not Prime Minister. Not sure Labour can be blamed for that.

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