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Post by msp83 Wed 20 May 2015, 1:01 pm

India to play 1 test and 3 ODIs against Bangladesh, in a tour from 7 to 24 June.
Here is the discussion thread.......

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Post by msp83 Wed 20 May 2015, 1:04 pm

There were speculations that India would be doing a bit of experimentation with both the test and ODI squads. It was speculated that Kohli would be available only for the test and that both he and Dhoni might be skipping the ODIs and that Suresh Raina would be leading the ODI side and that some of the young IPL performers would be getting some easy India caps and so on.
However, the selection committee has opted for the first choice side, with seamer Mohammed Shami missing out injured and Ravindra Jadeja being dropped from the test side.

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Post by msp83 Wed 20 May 2015, 1:10 pm

There still was a rather strange decision though, offspinner Harbhajan Singh makes a comeback to the test team at 34, on the back of some IPL performances. The chief national selector explained that a 2nd offspinner was picked considering the number of lefties in the Bangladesh lineup and he also added that other names were discussed. But they eventually went for Harbhajan who took 6 wickets from his last 3 FC games. Of course the tracks didn't help, but then the likes of Parwez Rasool and Jalaj Saxena could have been looked at, considering they lasted the Ranji season and contributed with bat and ball.
Haven't followed the IPL, but reports are that Harbhajan has been bowling rather well, taking wickets and keeping runs in check. This is not a selection I agree with at all, but I hope Harbhajan would justify the chance he got with his performances. He's been talking a confident game, hopes he walks the walk as wel. If he could return anywhere close to his peak, he certainly is a classy performer.

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Post by alfie Wed 20 May 2015, 3:12 pm

It is a bit of a surprise ! Though 34 isn't old for a spinner and if he's bowling well , why not ?

I guess you'd have preferred they use the tour to try out some new talent , eh , msp ? Which is fair enough ...but perhaps Bangladesh shouldn't be considered an absolute pushover on their own grounds any more , so the selectors have said hang that , let's make sure of a win...

I quite like the punchy so and so ; so it doesn't bother me too much ...will be interesting to see how it works out.

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Post by msp83 Wed 20 May 2015, 3:26 pm

alfie wrote:It is a bit of a surprise !   Though 34 isn't old for a spinner and if he's bowling well ,  why not ?

I guess you'd have preferred they use the tour to try out some new talent , eh , msp ?  Which is fair enough ...but perhaps Bangladesh shouldn't be considered an absolute pushover on their own grounds any more , so the selectors have said hang that , let's make sure of a win...

I quite like the punchy so and so ; so it doesn't bother me too much ...will be interesting to see how it works out.
Alfie, I wouldn't want them to go allout experimenting, particularly in the tests, I wanted the first choice side itself in the test. Perhaps a couple of youngsters in the ODIs may not have been bad.
The thing with Harbhajan is not so much his age. But that he hasn't bowled with any kind of consistency in the longer format for the last 4 years. He developed fitness issues during the last Ranji season and played only 3 games without any real impact with the ball. Reports are that he has been bowling well in the IPL, but I am not sure that's enough for a test comeback.
The 2 names I mentioned above, the allrounders Saxena and Rasool, they haven't set the world on fire with their spin bowling, and both have moderate records. But Saxena has been improving steadily, and he can be used at the top or down the order with the bat. As for Rasool, he had shown that he has got a good temperament when he did well against the Australians in a tour game. So rather than experiments, if they wanted an additional offspinning option, these 2 are next in line to Ashwin.
They've dropped Ravindra Jadeja, I am not very sure that's the right call, particularly on spinning tracks. But then, Jadeja hasn't been bowling all that well in recent times though again, that's mainly in the other formats.

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Post by ShankyCricket Thu 21 May 2015, 6:56 am

msp83 wrote:
alfie wrote:It is a bit of a surprise !   Though 34 isn't old for a spinner and if he's bowling well ,  why not ?

I guess you'd have preferred they use the tour to try out some new talent , eh , msp ?  Which is fair enough ...but perhaps Bangladesh shouldn't be considered an absolute pushover on their own grounds any more , so the selectors have said hang that , let's make sure of a win...

I quite like the punchy so and so ; so it doesn't bother me too much ...will be interesting to see how it works out.
Alfie, I wouldn't want them to go allout experimenting, particularly in the tests, I wanted the first choice side itself in the test. Perhaps a couple of youngsters in the ODIs may not have been bad.
The thing with Harbhajan is not so much his age. But that he hasn't bowled with any kind of consistency in the longer format for the last 4 years. He developed fitness issues during the last Ranji season and played only 3 games without any real impact with the ball. Reports are that he has been bowling well in the IPL, but I am not sure that's enough for a test comeback.
The 2 names I mentioned above, the allrounders Saxena and Rasool, they haven't set the world on fire with their spin bowling, and both have moderate records. But Saxena has been improving steadily, and he can be used at the top or down the order with the bat. As for Rasool, he had shown that he has got a good temperament when he did well against the Australians in a tour game. So rather than experiments, if they wanted an additional offspinning option, these 2 are next in line to Ashwin.
They've dropped Ravindra Jadeja, I am not very sure that's the right call, particularly on spinning tracks. But then, Jadeja hasn't been bowling all that well in recent times though again, that's mainly in the other formats.


Not to mention the number of left handers in the Bangladesh line up and the pitches in Bangladesh will be flat as the recent Pakistan series showed, not the raging turners that you've seen for the last couple of series in India, where he did well.
Harbhajan's selection is completely undeserved but understandable too. They wanted a second offspinner, which is perfectly reasonable because the number of lefties in the BD line up is unusually big and he offers some experience. More surprised by the selection of Karn Sharma. Would've preferred Shreyas Gopal, by far the best spinner going around in the Ranji circuit.

Shikhar Dhawan's continued selection in Test cricket based on ODI performances is an absolute disgrace.

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Post by msp83 Thu 21 May 2015, 8:35 pm

Shanky, Shikhar might not make it to the playing 11. Could be
Vijay
Rahul
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Sharma
Saha
Ashwin
Harbhajan
Aaron
Ishant.
I wouldn't like to see the 2 Sharmas out there, but we will have to live with it.......
And if Shikhar is there as the backup opener, then I think that is fair enough as not many others have been making a case for themselves.
Karn Sharma's selection over Jadeja is appalling. The guy isn't test class, yes he was talked up before the Australia series though his domestic record is not even moderate but mediocre, but he showed no class at all in the opportunity he got. Jadeja was a match-winner on spinning tracks, and he should have been the backup options if they were keen on the additional offspinner.

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Post by ShankyCricket Thu 28 May 2015, 1:17 pm

Dhawan is a horrible test batsman.

I don't see why you still have a problem with Ishant. Has been India's best seamer by a mile over the last 18 months.

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Post by KP_fan Thu 28 May 2015, 4:11 pm


Virat Kohli (c)*
Murali Vijay*
Shikhar Dhawan
KL Rahul*
Cheteshwar Pujara
Ajinkya Rahane*
Rohit Sharma*
Wriddhiman Saha (wk)*
Ravichandran Ashwin*
Harbhajan Singh*
Karn Sharma*
Bhuvneshwar Kumar*
Umesh Yadav*
Varun Aaron
Ishant Sharma

--here is the test squad and those with star would be in my starting 11
--Bhuvi and Yadav as seamers, and play all 3 spinners.
given that Bhuvi, Bhajji, Ashwin can all bat.....and it's BD we can go with only 5 specialists batters

--Bhajji is on a short rope if he fails here, he doesnpt get anotehr go....and Karn sharma gets atleast two more tests after this.

--I would have liked to see Ojha or samson or anotehr batsman as a WK...

--Rohit plays ahead of Pujara...and dhawan get into the test match 11
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Post by KP_fan Thu 28 May 2015, 4:18 pm

Re: Karn sharma
he didn't do bad given that he played one test only...he needs a run and some confidence playing on spinning pitches.

Jadeja is useless overseas...
we have to groom a wicket taker for overseas conditions and selectors believe Karn with his big leg-breaks can be groomed into that role.
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Post by msp83 Thu 28 May 2015, 6:53 pm

Karn Sharma is a mediocre bowler who isn't international class. He was pretty useless in the only test he played, 1 test, he may not run through sides, but he was godawful and, and his domestic record is ordinary.
Rohit Sharma ahead of Pujara? Perhaps Raina should play ahead of Rahane and Gambhir ahead of Vijay.......

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Post by KP_fan Thu 28 May 2015, 7:01 pm

msp83 wrote:Karn Sharma is a mediocre bowler who isn't international class. He was pretty useless in the only test he played, 1 test, he may not run through sides, but he was godawful and, and his domestic record is ordinary.
Rohit Sharma ahead of Pujara? Perhaps Raina should play ahead of Rahane and Gambhir ahead of Vijay.......

--if one off, the first test performers were written off...world wouldn't have seen the geniuses of Warne or even Kumble.

if he was deemed good enough by selectors( and I agree with their pick).....then they have to give him about 3 tests including some in home conditions.

--Pujara was taking his place for granted.....and had had an extended run ( of failures). He was dropped ( and rightly so) in the last test in Aus and Rohit who came in cracked a 60 odd in each inning.

so by the laws of fair run and consistency...Rohit's gotta get two or 3 more tests.
and if Rohit flops...then I would bring Rayadu or Tiwary
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Post by msp83 Thu 28 May 2015, 7:34 pm

With Saha in as wicketkeeper, I don't think India can go in with only 5 batsman. If they have to play only 5 batsman, then Pujara who is a poper test class batsman who had a bit of a rough patch has to play ahead of Rohit. But in a 6 man lineup they both should play, with Rohit coming in at 6.
As for the spinner question, the selectors had gone for Karn on a hunch and some IPL bowling. His domestic record is nothing special. If at all they have to give him another chance, that has to be part of a 3 man spin attack that would include a good containing option like Jadeja who is a proven match-winner on spinnings tracks, not on along with a declining Harbhajan.......
Perhaps something like
Vijay
Rahul
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Naman Ojha
Ashwin
Jadeja
Karn
2 of Shami/Yadav/Kumar/Ishant/Aaron/Sandeep Sharma.

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Post by KP_fan Thu 28 May 2015, 9:32 pm

msp83 wrote:With Saha in as wicketkeeper, I don't think India can go in with only 5 batsman

ashwin and Bhajji and saha are like batsmen given that the opponent is BD and pitches subcontnental pattas.

msp83 wrote:As for the spinner question, the selectors had gone for Karn on a hunch and some IPL bowling. His domestic record is nothing special. If at all they have to give him another chance, that has to be part of a 3 man spin attack that would include a good containing option like Jadeja who is a proven match-winner on spinnings tracks, not on along with a declining Harbhajan.......

jadeja is a home track bully and India believes with bhajji and ashwin they have enough to make use of home tracks.
the 3rd slot is a grooming role for one who can deliver in overseas conditions.
you may not agree...but plenty do see the potential in Karn including selctors ....and hence he will get 3 tests I guess...after that you can write him off if he doesn't deliver...but I believe he will.

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Post by msp83 Fri 29 May 2015, 3:19 pm

Lets hope he does, and proves a lot of people wrong, and would go on to become a fabulous legspinner who can be a match-winner not only at home but away as well......

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Post by KP_fan Fri 29 May 2015, 10:11 pm

msp83 wrote:Lets hope he does, and proves a lot of people wrong, and would go on to become a fabulous legspinner who can be a match-winner not only at home but away as well......

if he doesn't then the next leggie in queue is Shreyas Gopal.
with the Dhoni-Srini Junta having fallen.....we now can expect somewhat fair runs to talents , without an agenda to preserve CSK players or bhai's favourites
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Post by msp83 Sat 30 May 2015, 7:38 am

Shreyas Gopal is often called the next Kumble by the Ranji loving public of Karnataka. There certainly is some talent there, and the lad can bat as well. But first he has to attain greater consistency, and bowl more. Actually bowl more. This season was better than the last one in the sense he got more overs to bowl, still I think he is actually short of enough overs. Has to learn the art of working batsmen out, and learn to be accurate in the process. So he's certainly a work in progress, and unlike Karn Sharma, I do have hopes of young Gopal, and so I wouldn't really rush him to the test side now or in the immediate future unless he hits a strong purple patch at the start of the next domestic season where in he can be considered for the South Africa series.
The one spinner Dhoni backed to come in to the side was Ravindra Jadeja, and he played a significant part in India's first ever whitewashing of the Australians. And in home conditions, I would still have Jadeja, Ashwin, and another spinner and 2 seamers, with Rohit Sharma dropping out.

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Post by KP_fan Tue 02 Jun 2015, 8:36 pm

kohli on CI wrote:"I want to create strong bonds. I want to create strong friendships in this unit. We live 250-280 days a year together so I want to create such an atmosphere where in the next ten years watching it from outside you would get to know this team is a united team. This team is a strongly knit unit. They want to play for each other. They don't want to play for themselves. That is my vision." Kohli stressed his belief in aggressive cricket, and committed to "going for that victory even if it means that you have to literally struggle in the end to get a draw". "We like playing the same brand of cricket," Kohli said of the team he takes charge of, starting with the tour to Bangladesh later this month. "The thing that I want to do and I can do in Test matches is free them from any kind of doubt. Free them from any kind of insecurity... On the field if you see them [Australia] play you feel like, 'damn, that's a unit, we really have to play our bloody best to beat these guys'. I want that to happen to Indian cricket. In Test matches we want to be the team to beat. It is just the mindset, sometimes we tend to go into that zone where the thinking is not right."
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Post by KP_fan Tue 02 Jun 2015, 8:38 pm

Kohli is starting with the right mind
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Post by msp83 Tue 02 Jun 2015, 9:23 pm

Hope he doesn't overdo this, end up like the English with this friendship stuff wherein the friendship and being able to get along and socialize with each other becomes even more important than cricketing abilities........

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Post by msp83 Tue 02 Jun 2015, 9:25 pm

I was more impressed by the bit on free them from any kind of doubt, free them from insecurity bit.......

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Post by KP_fan Sat 06 Jun 2015, 8:53 pm

KL rahul has unfortunately been ruled out because of Dengue.

Means FTB Dhawan will play...
Dont be surprised if Dhwan and Rohit crack double hundreds.
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Post by msp83 Sat 06 Jun 2015, 9:04 pm

Such a shame for Rahul and India.......

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Post by ShankyCricket Tue 09 Jun 2015, 6:13 am

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Post by msp83 Wed 10 Jun 2015, 5:49 am

Dhawan off to a bit of a flyer on test comeback as India are batting first. He has made 46 out of an ongoing opening partnership of 51.

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Post by msp83 Wed 10 Jun 2015, 5:51 am

For Bangladesh, young Litton Das is making his debut. He's considered a serious potential with the bat and is a wicketkeeper as well. He is taking the gloves for this game as Mushfiqur Rahim, playing as a batsman only, hasn't fully recovered from his finger injury.

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Post by msp83 Wed 10 Jun 2015, 5:59 am

Don't like the look of both teams. India have gone in with 5 batsmen and Saha the wicketkeeper and Ashwin the all-rounder. they have gone in with 3 seamers on a subcontinent track that admittedly has a bit of grass on it. But there is not much bounce available, and in subcontinent conditions you might get a bit of swing early on, but they have left out Bhuvneshwar Kumar and opted for Ishant who is the 'senior' bowler, Yadav who has pace and the ability to reverse swing and Aaron who can bowl fast but gun barrel straight. And they have not picked Pujara, instead went for FTB Sharma.......
Bangladesh for some absolutely strange reasons, have picked Shuvagada Hom yet again!! He isn't international class with bat or ball and he proved it in every given opportunity. They have gone in with only 1 seamer in Mohammed Shahid, with a bit of seam bowling backup being provided by Soumya Sarkar.

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Post by msp83 Wed 10 Jun 2015, 6:02 am

A 47 ball 50 for Shikhar Dhawan on test comeback. On a flat track against an imbalanced attack, but he'll take it.......

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Post by msp83 Wed 10 Jun 2015, 6:47 am

The openers have put on 107 and going on......

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Post by msp83 Wed 10 Jun 2015, 6:51 am

Rainin!!

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Post by KP_fan Wed 10 Jun 2015, 7:54 am

So as I thought rohit played instead of pujara.
5 bowlers played and. Would have preferred a 3ed spinner.
And if they had to play 3 seamers bhivu ahead of ishant .
It's not short of a joke to schedule a test match in peak monsoon season
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Post by Stella Wed 10 Jun 2015, 11:18 am

ShankyCricket wrote:Shikhar Dhawan in Test cricket picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard picard

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Post by KP_fan Wed 10 Jun 2015, 11:41 am

KP_fan wrote:KL rahul has unfortunately been ruled out because of Dengue.

Means FTB Dhawan will play...
Dont be surprised if Dhwan and Rohit crack double hundreds .

watch out I told ya....he's 60% there and his FTB brother Rohit licking his lips at the prospects Very Happy
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Post by msp83 Wed 10 Jun 2015, 6:55 pm

Dhawan making it count big time, an innings that is very important from his career point of view. His fast pace helping India move the game on despite rain taking out some 34 overs on day one. But on a day one track offering not a great deal, against an attack that was imbalanced and bowling without a plan or even a bit of hope for that matter, this wouldn't tell India a lot otherwise. Vijay on the other hand being a proven performer against tougher oppositions in much tougher conditions, not throwing his wicket away, and playing what has become his natural game which is good to see. So Dhawan's selection over Pujara helping India in the short run, but may not hold much in terms of beyond this game.
Rohit will really be waiting for his chance here!!!

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Post by KP_fan Wed 10 Jun 2015, 7:02 pm

msp83 wrote:Dhawan making it count big time, a!

only failures and losses against BD counts...runs, wickets and wins don't
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Post by msp83 Wed 10 Jun 2015, 8:10 pm

A failure here would have meant serious trouble for Dhawan though. So for him, an important innings nevertheless.......

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Post by KP_fan Wed 10 Jun 2015, 8:17 pm

he won't be the first chice opener still against an A side in our next test match though
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Post by msp83 Wed 10 Jun 2015, 8:20 pm

Well, if he goes on and converts this into a double ton and more, and if he keeps up the performances in ODIs, poor Rahul won't have much chance to start the SA series. Remember we pick our test players based on their T-20 performances!!

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Post by KP_fan Wed 10 Jun 2015, 8:32 pm

msp83 wrote:Well, if he goes on and converts this into a double ton and more, and if he keeps up the performances in ODIs, poor Rahul won't have much chance to start the SA series. Remember we pick our test players based on their T-20 performances!!

Nope Rahul will open in the next test against any A side that we play.

common man may forget the far and few between test performances.....amidst a barrage of Masala slog feat.....but selectors do not have a short memory.

Rahul scored a hundred in and against Aus against worlds best pace attack in his second test demosntrating technique, temperament and application.
the test lovers and surely selectors won't forget it
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Post by msp83 Wed 10 Jun 2015, 9:36 pm

Not too sure about the selectors though I hope they'd act as you are suggesting here. The selection of players like Karn Sharma, and the recall of Harbhajan makes me skeptical.......
And Dhawan is the established ODI opener, and would get a lot of opportunities to stay in the selectorial focus. Rahul won't even be playing FC cricket soon as the domestic season is months away. Such a shame for the young man that he had to have this illness at this time.......

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Post by KP_fan Thu 11 Jun 2015, 9:27 am

days play washed out.....i knew this will happen sitting so far away....the wise men in BD and Ind boards were smoking god knows what to organize a test match in BD in June at the start of Monsoon.
I doubt if a test match has ever been played in June anywhere in the subcontinent Shocked
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Post by msp83 Thu 11 Jun 2015, 9:54 am

They might have done it in Sri Lanka!, they love playing right in the middle of the monsoon season!!
First June test in Bangladesh, this one.......

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Post by msp83 Fri 12 Jun 2015, 7:16 am

Play resumed after yesterday's washout, and India lost 3 early wickets in the first session. Shikhar Dhawan was out for 173, adding exactly 100 more after he was dropped by Shuvagata Hom. Then Rohit Sharma was bowled 194 short of his double ton by Shakib Al Hasan! Skipper Virat Kohli too didn't last long, bowled by young Jubair Hossain for 14. Ajinkya Rahane and Murali Vijay then took control and swiftly took India to 398-3 at lunch.
Perhaps they should have a bit of a thrash for the first hour after lunch and then get on with bowling......

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Post by msp83 Fri 12 Jun 2015, 7:27 am

The rain's back!!
India should declare straightaway if and when play restarts.......

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Post by KP_fan Fri 12 Jun 2015, 7:32 am

Let all the 11 bat, I say...there is a lot of rain still predicted, no way can there be a result
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Post by msp83 Fri 12 Jun 2015, 8:14 am

Lets see what can our 5 bowler strategy do. And lets see how Harbhajan Singh in particular, can transfer his IPL form to test cricket. Would be important for the Sri Lanka tour.

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Post by KP_fan Fri 12 Jun 2015, 9:27 am

msp83 wrote:Lets see what can our 5 bowler strategy do. And lets see how Harbhajan Singh in particular, can transfer his IPL form to test cricket. Would be important for the Sri Lanka tour.

when is the Lanka tour?
it rains from now until early Oct in Lanka
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Post by msp83 Fri 12 Jun 2015, 9:41 am

Next month, right in the middle of the rainy season, as they always do!!

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Post by msp83 Fri 12 Jun 2015, 9:42 am

India meanwhile are batting after play restarted. They've lost Vijay, 3rd of Shakib's wicket as he was out LBW for exactly 150, and then Jubair ripped an absolutely fabulous one through Wriddhiman Saha to bowl him for 6. Rahane in the 90s, hopefully Kohli will declare.

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Post by msp83 Fri 12 Jun 2015, 9:44 am

Rahane goes 2 short of his hundred as Shakib takes his 4th.

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