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Post by LondonTiger on Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:35 am

First topic message reminder :

Fixtures

Tuesday 9th June 2015
14:00 Edgbaston

Friday 12th June 2015
13:00 The Kia Oval

Sunday 14th June 2015
10:30 The Ageas Bowl

Wednesday 17th June 2015
14:00 Trent Bridge

Saturday 20th June 2015
10:30 Emirates Durham ICG


New Zealand Squad

Brendon McCullum (c)
Corey Anderson
Trent Boult
Grant Elliott
Martin Guptill
Matt Henry
Tom Latham (wk)
Mitchell McClenaghan
Nathan McCullum
Adam Milne±
Luke Ronchi (wk)
Mitchell Santner
Tim Southee
Ross Taylor
Ben Wheeler
Kane Williamson


England Squad

TBC


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Post by alfie on Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:22 pm

PaulHv2 wrote:It's a little bit like village cricket during a preseason friendly Alfie. "Oh, you went for 20 in that over, but you got a wicket. Have another over" picard

Very Happy

I suppose it doesn't matter much now anyway. Plunkett just got hammered too.

And Jordan up again for his ninth ...he's going to get his century at least...

Saving Stokes for his batting ?

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Post by PaulHv2 on Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:24 pm

1-97 off 9 overs picard dear me.
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Post by alfie on Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:27 pm

Finn gets Ronchi.

Apart from one over , Finn has done well today.

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Post by msp83 on Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:27 pm

Ronchi gone, think they should send Southee in......

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Post by alfie on Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:39 pm

Top 100 from Taylor clap

That 400 is still on...

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Post by msp83 on Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:40 pm

New ZZealand batting a bit like India in the last 5 overs.

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Post by king_carlos on Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:42 pm

After all the talk of whether or not Billings would get dropped for Willey I wonder if Jordan could now be looking at the chop instead?

I could see it happen and want to see Willey given a chance but am not sure if replacing Jordan with him is the way to go. I'm starting to feel we need another spinner (I know it's not possible with this squad) in the attack for more control. It isn't a popular suggestion but Tredwell tying up an end would allow for a wrist spinner bowling the odd 4 ball and allow Finn/Plunkett/Wood to attack more supplemented by Stokes and Willey, or Woakes moving forward.

1.Roy
2.Hales
3.Root
4.Morgan
5.Stokes
6.Buttler (wk)
7.Willey
8.Rashid
9.Plunket or Wood
10.Tredwell
11.Finn

That would look a much more balanced side IMO.

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Post by alfie on Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:50 pm

Kept 'em under 400 ! Well done Plunkett...

So just 399 to win .

Piece of cake Smile

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Post by jimbohammers on Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:55 pm

Is Jordan in the side for his fielding?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:41 pm

Boult bowling beautifully here
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:57 pm

65-0 off the first 10 overs, good start from Roy and Hales so far
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:00 pm

Jason Roy gets in purely because Ronchi sits behind the stumps and gives him enough time to get the dive in
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Post by Gooseberry on Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:01 pm

Its a decent start but its pushing the required rate up an up. This is the sort of start that a week ago we wouldve been saying was great, in context of this game its decent. Looks like they are picking the rate up now though. And they've stopped giving chances (near run out excepted)

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:02 pm

Matt Prior is really quite good on commentary - excellent insights
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Post by Gooseberry on Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:08 pm

Roys fallen into a bad trap there. Should've been out on 12 as well. Still a poo ton of batting to come though

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Post by Duty281 on Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:28 pm

England's chase has collapsed - three down.

280 left!

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Post by king_carlos on Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:09 pm

209-4 from 28 overs.

Morgan and Buttler are batting well but will need to still be there when we reach 300 to really give us a shot.

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Post by Hoggy_Bear on Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:31 pm

king_carlos wrote:209-4 from 28 overs.

Morgan and Buttler are batting well but will need to still be there when we reach 300 to really give us a shot.
Doh

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Post by msp83 on Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:31 pm

Morgan batting the best in the last 2 years? Ones upon a time, he used to be a wonderful finisher who's name could have been mentioned along with the likes of Mahendra Singh Dhoni and Michael Hussey.......

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Post by king_carlos on Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:32 pm

Hoggy_Bear wrote:
king_carlos wrote:209-4 from 28 overs.

Morgan and Buttler are batting well but will need to still be there when we reach 300 to really give us a shot.
Doh

I always wondered why my dad told me not to speak unless necessary... Sad

263-5 from 33.3

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Post by Hoggy_Bear on Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:47 pm

All done and dusted now.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:50 pm

Morgan and Billings go in quick succession, and it looks beyond our reach now

Decent effort, needed another person to really kick on like Morgan did
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:01 pm

And it must be said in a game where the going rate is 8 an over, Trent Boult is going at 5's and has picked up some key wickets. Class class bowler
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Post by king_carlos on Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:20 pm

Agreed there Olly.

Two games in a row he's been the best bowler on either side by a distance.

Dangerous opening bowler, economic middle order bowler, partnership breaker and death bowler. It's a very impressive skill set for a modern ODI bowler.


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Post by king_carlos on Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:22 pm

345-7

54 needed off 37

and rain stops play Sad

What a moment for it to happen with Plunkett and Rashid batting excellently.

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Post by Stella on Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:22 pm

Don't say a word, carlos, but we might win this!
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Post by king_carlos on Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:24 pm

Stella wrote:Don't say a word, carlos, but we might win this!

I've already jinxed us once Stella, don't worry I'm keeping quiet!

9 runs behind on duckworth lewis.

I tell you what, win or lose, it's been one hell of a chase and either side would deserve it!

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Post by Stella on Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:25 pm

It only rained for about half an hour round our way, so they may get back on.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:26 pm

Big fan of this new approach to ODI's, whatever happens, no matter what hump we hit, this is the way we will succeed and the way ODI cricket will capture the public's imagination
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Post by king_carlos on Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:31 pm

Agreed Olly.

Many could argue that a lot will often rest on the shoulders of Root and Morgan to act as the glue for the innings. However you can just as easily argue that is also the case of NZ with Williamson and Taylor, Australia with Smith and Clarke (Watson could be thrown in there as well).

I still feel we need another bowling option at 7 and a second spinner in the squad to offer options. However it's looking very promising thus far, albeit if only briefly.

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Post by kingraf on Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:39 pm

ODI cricket is insane. I'm not a fan of these extended T20s, but I am glad someone finally CC'ed England regarding the modern game.
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Post by djlovesyou on Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:41 pm

Whatever happens, this is another bad boy batting performance.


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Post by ShahenshahG on Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:52 pm

Just out of interest as I'm a little in the hammersmith thoughts with regards to mammoth total ODIS. But root appeared to have been bowling pretty economically in comparison to most and managed to get a wicket also. Judging by the stats alone (i've not watched it as i'm at work) he was doing quite well.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:52 pm

WHY THE HECK ARE THEY WAITING 20 MINUTES TO RESTART THE GAME THE COVERS ARE OFF!!!!!!!!!
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Post by djlovesyou on Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:55 pm

Because cricket.

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Post by GSC on Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:55 pm

34 off 13 balls.

Might as well go home now
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Post by ShahenshahG on Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:55 pm

picard I forgot to ask why he wasn't bowled more

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:58 pm

Have to finish by 9:25pm, because councils are ridiculous
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Post by ShahenshahG on Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:02 pm

Kingraf, take that smug look off of your face

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:03 pm

Ground staff been off for 5 mins, players all ready.........and we're off still
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Post by djlovesyou on Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:06 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:Kingraf, take that smug look off of your face

Disappointed he wasn't English, Kingraf would have scored 150 off 62 balls and the game would have been over by now.

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Post by ShahenshahG on Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:10 pm

Laugh He's a little too feminine for that DJ, although I suppose him mincing down the track would render a fielder unable to field and any bowler unable to bowl at him with any venom.

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Post by djlovesyou on Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:13 pm

No kid minces to a sub 11 second 100m time. You realise he's in the top 10 all time junior spinters in SA?

To be fair, in his defence, he only said he would have made it as far as a decent contract in the IPL had he focused on cricket.

Quality boxer in his day too.

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Post by djlovesyou on Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:15 pm

Oh well, that's that.

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Post by ShahenshahG on Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:21 pm

Hah he's never told me such things dj he only ever tells us about highlights in his hair manicures pedicures tight shirts and attending one direction, Michael bible and Justin Bieber concerts.


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Post by KP_fan on Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:25 pm

these high scoring games.....are not good for the game...looks like Rajkot patta pitches have been imported  Shocked

A good game  needs something in it for the bowlers......where 280 should be a defendable total.

Eng taking their pitches in the wrong direction nope
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Post by msp83 on Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:30 pm

A fine contest but a stupid slogfest nevertheless. Well, these F-50s might have a lot of takers, but I am not one of them. Hope the godforsaken ICC clowns would soon ratify the rule changes recommended and do something so that we wouldn't have a scenario where in teams play with 11 batsmen. Any tom, Dick and Harry can come and turn his arm over and get smashed for 6, doesn't need any particular skill set as such.
Can't even imagine the kind of torcher in stor for the upcoming India Sri Lanka series.......

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Post by djlovesyou on Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:34 pm

KP_fan wrote:these high scoring games.....are not good for the game...looks like Rajkot patta pitches have been imported  Shocked

A good game  needs something in it for the bowlers......where 280 should be a defendable total.

Eng taking their pitches in the wrong direction nope

It's incredible batting until England start doing it.

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Post by KP_fan on Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:41 pm

djlovesyou wrote:
KP_fan wrote:these high scoring games.....are not good for the game...looks like Rajkot patta pitches have been imported  Shocked

A good game  needs something in it for the bowlers......where 280 should be a defendable total.

Eng taking their pitches in the wrong direction nope

It's incredible batting until England start doing it.

you must be new here.......many of us here and across the cricketing forums were very critical of the slog-fest on Rajkot styled patta pitches where even 350 was barely a par score.

and those type of batsman dominated games have significantly diminished interest in ODIs in subcontinent.

I repeat good game where 280 is 50% a defendable score....and except the minnow games..world cup was a perfect example of good pitches that gave bowlers a chance
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:44 pm

Let's ignore kp_fans latest rant - he was complaining about home doctored pitches that produced those scores in the champions trophy!

Excellent entertainment again today - Morgan's innings was sublime, unfortunately couldn't quite get home past Boult and Taylor.

Can we just carry on playing New Zealand for the whole summer?
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