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England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by LondonTiger on Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:35 am

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Fixtures

Tuesday 9th June 2015
14:00 Edgbaston

Friday 12th June 2015
13:00 The Kia Oval

Sunday 14th June 2015
10:30 The Ageas Bowl

Wednesday 17th June 2015
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Saturday 20th June 2015
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New Zealand Squad

Brendon McCullum (c)
Corey Anderson
Trent Boult
Grant Elliott
Martin Guptill
Matt Henry
Tom Latham (wk)
Mitchell McClenaghan
Nathan McCullum
Adam Milne±
Luke Ronchi (wk)
Mitchell Santner
Tim Southee
Ross Taylor
Ben Wheeler
Kane Williamson


England Squad

TBC


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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:27 pm

100% nicks fault
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Post by guildfordbat on Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:35 pm

Olly wrote:100% nicks fault

Good to see you sharing the blame around! Smile

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by alfie on Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:37 pm

Bit quiet on here...

I only got in half hour back ...saw they're doing OK but then young Joe got out - slightly unfortunately. Morgan going very well again ; no Boult for NZ : you'd think 350 from here ? But wickets could change that , of course.
Will be interested to see Willey in action later. With ball , I mean. Some see him as not quite a full bowler ? He'll need to be today...
Wood should be a decent replacement for Plunkett...not expecting him to be highly economical , but should be a wicket taking threat.
Weather , anyone ?

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Post by Duty281 on Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:39 pm

6/5 that England make 340 or over - I love modern ODI cricket!

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by guildfordbat on Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:45 pm

Hi Alfie and all - yeah, been quiet ever since I posted y'day (UK) morning about the second ODI. Didn't think the post was that bad! Smile

Not quite the fireworks so far of the first two ODIs but we're still in a decent place after 30 overs. Good that we still have 7 wickets in hand. As I said before, it seemed from early on at the Oval that we had always lost one wicket too many.

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by alfie on Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:54 pm

And as I read Guildford's cheerful post ...out goes Morgan Smile

Is that one too many ? Nah...actually a good time to introduce Buttller , I fancy. Though a pity to see Morgan go ; he was playing very well.

Could still go bad , I guess. But I agree England are well placed. Especially in the absence of Boult.

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by alfie on Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:12 pm

That old batting powerplay still a two edged sword...

Stokes and Buttler powering away - and then Buttler goes. A chance for Billings to show something ? Think he needs to , actually.

Think Stokes should continue to go for it. Though the wickets column is starting to look a bit poised...

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:29 pm

New Zealand being let down badly by Henry and the ever awful McLenaghan here
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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by alfie on Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:29 pm

Good pp in the end , 58/1

Stokes stays and it's over 360...wickets and who knows.

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:36 pm

Billings showing the raw talent he has here
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:38 pm

Ok I'll take the blame for that
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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by JDizzle on Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:40 pm

Hmm. I know he got 34 off 16, but it seemed a bit frenetic to me that knock from Billings. Not as controlled as Buttler, for example, seems when going. But he's still adjusting to international cricket, so he gets some slack.

Surprised Rashid has come in ahead of Willey. He's a better bat, but Willey is a more destructive and violent hitter.

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by JDizzle on Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:41 pm

Well, irrelevant now anyway!

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by alfie on Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:42 pm

Billings gone ...he had been looking pretty good today so sorry to see him cut off short. At least he has given us a glimpse of the talent that earned him selection. Not sure there is room for two keepers , but...

Rashid gone for nought and Kiwis right back in the game !

Willey in to a situation...

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Post by JDizzle on Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:51 pm

Stokes got a bit bogged down there, and started trying to over hit. Still a very good knock, but there's been some good bowling by the Kiwis here to pull it back. If Willey can get us up to 330 ish, it's still a reasonable target.

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by alfie on Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:52 pm

Hmm. Stokes gone down swinging...fair enough he kept going for it ; but it raises the issue of will they bat the fifty overs ?
In a way it may not matter : all out 325 is no different from 325/8 off fifty...

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by JDizzle on Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:56 pm

Think Nass's point is bang on really, no issue with him carrying on but the last ball of the over, just show a little more game management and knock the single and go next over. All part of the learning curve though, and he could easily have smashed it out the ground for six and no-one would have said a word!

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by alfie on Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:57 pm

...looking like a few less now Sad

Oddly enough the despised short ball has done for a few of them. All may not be lost though...anything over 300 may still be a decent marker ; although obviously nowhere near what it looked like being twenty minutes ago.

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:02 pm

All part of the learning curve, isn't always going to come off...still we've got 300 on the board
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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by Hoggy_Bear on Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:03 pm

Olly wrote:All part of the learning curve, isn't always going to come off...still we've got 300 on the board

First time England have ever scored 300+ in three consecutive innings apparently.

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by alfie on Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:04 pm

JDizzle wrote:Think Nass's point is bang on really, no issue with him carrying on but the last ball of the over, just show a little more game management and knock the single and go next over. All part of the learning curve though, and he could easily have smashed it out the ground for six and no-one would have said a word!

Yeah in a perfect world he taps a single , etc...but this is a new way of playing : today it ended up badly ; and indeed it won't always work. Still rather they overreach like that than fall back on aiming for 270.

Maybe 302 is a little light ? We shall see after lunch ...I think if a couple of wickets fall early it may yet prove very competitive . Fielding will need to be "on".

Credit to NZ for dragging that back at the end ; they might easily have panicked and lost the plot , but they stuck to it well clap

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Post by JDizzle on Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:08 pm

The fact that England have made 302 in 45 overs and I'm disappointed makes me happy though!

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Post by NickisBHAFC on Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:11 pm

Was going to say, 302 is a great ODI score in normal terms!

Just need the bowlers to perform now. Worries me a little our bowling attack but i hope im proved wrong.

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by guildfordbat on Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:15 pm

Blimey! Went out when we were around 230/4 off 35 and we're all out 10 overs later! Credit for (again) exceeding 300 but have to feel we've badly conceded almost 5 overs of batting. With a few wickets in hand, those extra overs could have seen us top 350.

I'm sure we will now have to take 10 wickets to beat this Kiwi batting line up ....

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by alfie on Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:52 pm

guildfordbat wrote:Blimey! Went out when we were around 230/4 off 35 and we're all out 10 overs later! Credit for (again) exceeding 300 but have to feel we've badly conceded almost 5 overs of batting. With a few wickets in hand, those extra overs could have seen us top 350.

I'm sure we will now have to take 10 wickets to beat this Kiwi batting line up ....

Probably always have to though...

There's one !

Great start for Willey clap

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:53 pm

Willey takes the new ball and picks up guptill with a beautiful inswinger!
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Post by LivinginItaly on Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:56 pm

Early days i know but willey seems to offer more than Jordan has done this series.

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by alfie on Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:14 pm

Two now ! B Mc falls to Wood and England have the start they wanted.
Long way to go , of course. But that 302 is looking quite a lot right now...

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Post by NickisBHAFC on Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:15 pm

Great start!

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by alfie on Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:29 pm

A very good start. But they'll want to nip Taylor out early - he has got going very quickly and looks dangerous...

Like what I've seen from Willey so far. With the reservation that he may be a bit lacking in pace when it doesn't swing . Perhaps he can bowl quicker ?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:35 pm

alfie wrote:A very good start. But they'll want to nip Taylor out early - he has got going very quickly and looks dangerous...

Like what I've seen from Willey so far.  With the reservation that he may be a bit lacking in pace when it doesn't swing . Perhaps he can bowl quicker ?

Not sure alfie, he did before a back injury a few years ago which seems to have taken that extra yard off
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Post by alfie on Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:39 pm

Nothing wrong with Wood's pace...all around ninety. But a complete change of pace now as Rashid comes on.

Test here for the young spinner ; no 400 cushion today. Suspect how he bowls today will go a long way to deciding this match : if he can take out a couple it could be hard work for NZ . I expect them to attack him.

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:44 pm

alfie wrote:Nothing wrong with Wood's pace...all around ninety.  But a complete change of pace now as Rashid comes on.

Test here for the young spinner ; no 400 cushion today.  Suspect how he bowls today will go a long way to deciding this match : if he can take out a couple it could be hard work for NZ . I expect them to attack him.

Alfie - totally agree about Rashid. I wasn't impressed by him on Friday although I won't judge him on that alone and, to be fair, he wasn't the worst England bowler that day.

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Post by Hoggy_Bear on Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:48 pm

Needing a wicket now.

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by alfie on Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:52 pm

Bit ominous this partnership...they aren't missing too many chances to score.
Think England need another break sharpish or things could run away a bit.
Morgan rotating his quicks ; though we haven't seen Stokes yet. Not much spin on offer for Rashid so he will need to tempt them...

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Post by wisden on Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:57 pm

Get Stokes into the attack, and really go after them

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by alfie on Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:04 pm

These two playing very well. Putting pressure on Rashid...

...and on Morgan. Pretty clear 302 won't be enough on this to exert serious time pressure ; so wickets now imperative.

Here comes Stokes...

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Post by alfie on Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:35 pm

Still a way to go as Wood comes back on ; but you sense the window for England to take a game changing wicket is closing fast...

Hopeful review now : only clipping , as I suspected...but I guess Morgan was getting a bit desperate.

Think I'll give it another ten minutes...

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Post by Hoggy_Bear on Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:39 pm

Game over now, I think. Hoping for a miracle.

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Post by alfie on Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:50 pm

Hoggy_Bear wrote:Game over now, I think. Hoping for a miracle.

Agreed. Buttler just dropped the last chance I think...

Goodnight all.

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:52 pm

We needed Buttlet to pouch that. As Hoggy says, looking over now.

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Post by king_carlos on Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:10 pm

A bit back now but no one's mentioned it. Taylor dropped again by Stokes this time off Wood. A tough chance that went very quickly having been pulled to short mid wicket. It went straight through the hands and should have been taken though.

Williamson goes to his hundred as well.

I said it during the 2nd ODI but I still feel that we need another spinner to play a containing role and allow the wrist spinner to attack.

1.Roy
2.Hales
3.Root
4.Morgan
5.Stokes
6.Buttler (wk)
7.Willey
8.Rashid
9.Wood
10.Tredwell
11.Finn

The above would look a much more balanced side to me.

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:23 pm

Carlos - I hope you realise at least someone else is singing from your hymn sheet. I said much the same about another slow bowler amongst my comments yesterday morning on this thread about the second ODI.

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:24 pm

Terrible!

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Re: England v New Zealand ODI Thread

Post by JDizzle on Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:25 pm

Mark Wood is many (good) things, but he has an atrocious pair of hands! I remember him putting down at least one in the Test series and that was an absolute dolly. He will have to improve.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:30 pm

Willey deflated as Wood drops a soft one
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Post by Hoggy_Bear on Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:30 pm

king_carlos wrote:A bit back now but no one's mentioned it. Taylor dropped again by Stokes this time off Wood. A tough chance that went very quickly having been pulled to short mid wicket. It went straight through the hands and should have been taken though.

Williamson goes to his hundred as well.

I said it during the 2nd ODI but I still feel that we need another spinner to play a containing role and allow the wrist spinner to attack.

1.Roy
2.Hales
3.Root
4.Morgan
5.Stokes
6.Buttler (wk)
7.Willey
8.Rashid
9.Wood
10.Tredwell
11.Finn

The above would look a much more balanced side to me.

Ali for Roy (although I retain the right to change my mind on that should Roy perform brilliantly in the next couple of games), and Woakes (when fit) for Tredwell in that team, for me, giving you an extra bowling option.

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Post by JDizzle on Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:33 pm

Decent grab that one from Wood, but almost certainly too little too late.

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Post by Hoggy_Bear on Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:34 pm

England right back in the game Wink

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:35 pm

Williamson gone. 242/3. Almost certainly too little too late but Willey deserved a second wicket.

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