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Post by Prometheus on Tue 16 Jun 2015, 7:48 pm

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So, to save me opening a hundred different threads that would most likely be populated by House and myself, here's a thread that everyone is welcome to contribute to on Lucha Underground, Ring of Honor, PWG, Evolution, New Japan, NOAH, AAA and basically anything that is not WWE, NXT or TNA.
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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 10:09 pm

Tomohiro Ishii vs Keith Lee was everything I wanted from that match

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Post by Marky on Sun 12 Nov 2017, 11:11 am

Keith Lee is the real deal. I wasn't that impressed when I first saw him (while comparing him to the likes of Walter, Cobb...) but he's really grown on me.

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Thu 22 Mar 2018, 11:35 am

Zack Sabre Jr in New Japan is the best thing in wrestling


Discuss

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Post by Marky on Thu 22 Mar 2018, 12:19 pm

Dr Gregory House MD wrote:Zack Sabre Jr in New Japan is the best thing in wrestling

Discuss

Being a heel is the natural fit for his in ring style, if he was about 50lbs heavier he'd be a megastar

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Mon 26 Mar 2018, 11:53 pm

Just finished the Golden Lovers/Young Bucks match, one of the most incredible wrestling matches I have ever seen

Anyone who says the Young Bucks can't tell stories is so wrong it's painful, that was a clinic

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Sun 01 Apr 2018, 10:38 pm

Working my way through Sakura Genesis, undercard was nothing to write home about but Ospreay/Scurll was tremendous, the best match they've ever had for my money, it's a miracle Ospreay isn't in a wheelchair

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Post by Ché Guerrero on Mon 02 Apr 2018, 12:15 pm

I dont like the Spanish Fly. Looks too coordinated between the two wrestlers and seems to be quite dangerous

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Mon 02 Apr 2018, 3:27 pm

I think it looks Frak cool but that's just me

Does it make me a bad person that the botch and everything that came from it pushed it from a very good match to a MOTYC?

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Post by Ché Guerrero on Mon 02 Apr 2018, 3:31 pm

Yes House

But you dont have to answer to me. Only to Jesus

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Mon 02 Apr 2018, 11:40 pm

Ché Guerrero wrote:Yes House

But you dont have to answer to me. Only to Jesus

We're probably not on the best terms anyways, on account of all the buggary

Seriously though, it was a horrific buy and I'm glad Ospreay is ok, but given the story of the match with Osprey's neck and him fighting from underneath it really couldn't have worked out any better and gave the match some real life drama

On the rest of the card, Okada/ZSJr was tremendous and a real departure from other Okada matches, the callback spots to the G1 match with Nakamura was really cool and I was impressed with how quickly the English commentary team was on top of it, those guys are really good, especially coming a week after JR & Barnett

The Golden Lovers/Bullet Club stuff continues to be the best story in wrestling, Cody's face was a spectacle it was almost if he was trying to one up Ospreay, not as good as the Bucks match from Long Beach but it was still really good and Im really into the story which I would never have expected to say about a match involving a Cody/Page tag team a year ago, Cody is the best pure heel in wrestling at the moment nothing redeemable about him bar his lovely face

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Post by Ché Guerrero on Tue 03 Apr 2018, 12:08 am

Strange to me that as the in ring story gets stronger im finding the Being the Elite episodes less entertaining. It was more fun when they were all together

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Thu 05 Apr 2018, 9:17 am

Low Ki has pulled out of his Mania weekend show against Matt Riddle & has been replaced by Minoru Suzuki

Shame I was looking forward to seeing if he would try and shoot on Riddle

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Post by Fernando on Thu 05 Apr 2018, 11:55 am

Id love to see Low Ki try shoot Riddle but now we've got guaranteed death rather then KO or Submission Laugh

Young Bucks beat Yujiro Takahashi & Chase Owens ***1/4 (3.25)
Tomohiro Ishii & Toru Yano beat Taichi & Takashi Iizuka **1/2(2.50)
Tama Tonga & Tanga Loa & Bad Luck Fale beat Michael Elgin & Togi Makabe & Ryusuke Taguchi ***(3)
Hiroshi Tanahashi & David Finlay & Juice Robinson beat Jay White & Yoshi-Hashi & Hirooki Goto ***1/4(3.25)
Minoru Suzuki & Lance Archer & Davey Boy Smith Jr. beat Tetsuya Naito & Evil & Seiya Sanada ***3/4(3.75)
Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Desperado retained the IWGP jr. tag titles in a three-way over Sho & Yoh and Bushi & Hiromu Takahashi ***3/4(3.75)
Will Ospreay pinned Marty Scurll *****(5)
Cody & Hangman Page beat Kenny Omega & Kota Ibushi ****1/4(4.25)
Kazuchika Okada pinned Zack Sabre Jr****3/4(4.75)

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Post by Fernando on Thu 05 Apr 2018, 12:03 pm

Dave also gave

Balor/Rollins 4.25 from Raw
Kalisto/Buddy Murphy 4 from 205 live which now means half of Murphy's 205 live career has been 4 star minimum so far

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Post by Marky on Thu 05 Apr 2018, 12:06 pm

Amazing what happens to 205 Live when they let the wrestlers wrestle.

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Thu 05 Apr 2018, 12:11 pm

Marky wrote:Amazing what happens to 205 Live when they let the wrestlers wrestle.

While I don't disagree with that, I'll also add that the grounded characters and selfie promos are far more compelling that any of the gimmicks bestowed upon them before

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Post by Fernando on Thu 05 Apr 2018, 12:12 pm

Indeed it got a standing ovation and a fight forever chant yet was not the highlight of 205 live which was Spud being the best of GM hype Machines


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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Thu 05 Apr 2018, 12:13 pm

Those Sakura Genesis ratings a very inkeeping with mine though he enjoyed the Jr Tag match much more than I did

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Thu 05 Apr 2018, 12:14 pm

I've always told people Spud was amazing!

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Post by Ché Guerrero on Thu 05 Apr 2018, 11:06 pm

I kind of want him to be angry about the mach being on the pre show in storyline if it does play out like that. Some righteous indignation on his part could help the crowd connect with the show

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Sat 07 Apr 2018, 11:10 pm

Rev Pro & Evolve spoilers :
ZSJr has dropped all his belts bar the British Tag titles and says he's done with Evolve, looks like he's going full time with New Japan

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Tue 10 Apr 2018, 9:49 am

Okada & Deonna Purrazzo have been announced for All In

On a related note they'll be a chance for a meet and greet with Cody's dog

Thinking of flying to Chicago, I love Dogs

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Post by Ché Guerrero on Tue 10 Apr 2018, 9:49 pm

The latest Being the Elite is called Finale and the cast are all kayfabing like its actually over

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Post by Marky on Thu 12 Apr 2018, 12:52 pm

It's really weird seeing BBC Sport listing "Joe Hendry (Scotland)" as a top home nations contender for the Commonwealth Games Wrestling.

He's in the 97kg group starting tomorrow in the early hours.

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Thu 12 Apr 2018, 1:30 pm

Marky wrote:It's really weird seeing BBC Sport listing "Joe Hendry (Scotland)" as a top home nations contender for the Commonwealth Games Wrestling.

He's in the 97kg group starting tomorrow in the early hours.

He'll always be my local hero

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Sun 15 Apr 2018, 8:50 am

Diasuke Sekimoto is coming to New Japan!

Ok it's only to wrestle Shota Umino on a Young Lions show, not based on anything but hopefully it greases the wheels for a more high profile gig, he and Ishii were born to wrestle each other

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Post by Ché Guerrero on Sun 15 Apr 2018, 12:41 pm

Watching the Suzuki v Riddle match/fight

Its fun

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Post by RinoGattuso on Sun 15 Apr 2018, 8:47 pm

That whole strong style evolve show shoud've just be called botchamania.

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Mon 16 Apr 2018, 12:41 am

RinoGattuso wrote:That whole strong style evolve show shoud've just be called botchamania.

Despite the early botches I still thought the main event was one of the greatest matches I've ever seen

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Post by Ché Guerrero on Fri 20 Apr 2018, 7:03 pm

House any good heel Nakamura work to look up?

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD Yesterday at 1:50 am

Ché Guerrero wrote:House any good heel Nakamura work to look up?

I’m not hugely au fait with Nakamura’s proper heel run to give any solid recommendations but he was technically a heel in NJPW from 09 onwards, all be it a popular one, I’d recommend his series with Ibushi from the 2013 G1 and Wrestle Kingdom 9, he’s not the maniacal low blowing villain he is now but he’s a proper d*ckhead in both matches which are both tremendous

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Post by Ché Guerrero Yesterday at 10:48 am

Cheers. His facial work, promo delivery and persona is so polished rn that i figured he must have already built this character in the past.

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD Yesterday at 11:22 am

Ché Guerrero wrote:Cheers. His facial work, promo delivery and persona is so polished rn that i figured he must have already built this character in the past.

I wouldn’t say he was full on heel for a long time, but like many characters from NJPW’a top mix, Okada, Naito, Tanahashi, he had an edge and an arrogance that could be amplified as the situation demands it

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Post by Fernando Yesterday at 11:40 am

PWG All Star Weekend Night 1

Rey Horus over Trevor Lee via roll through cradle from the top rope. [11″39]

Taiji Ishimori over Bandido via implant DDT onto his knees. [13’41]

Ring Kampf (Walter & Timothy Thatcher) over Violence Unlimited (Brody King & Tyler Bateman) via rear naked choke on King by Walter. [19’29]

Sammy Guevara over Robbie Eagles and Flash Morgan Webster via Shooting Star Press. [13’11]

Jonah Rock over Joey Janela via frog splash. [11’18]

Keith Lee over Hangman Adam Page in a non-title match. [21’25]

The Rascalz (Dezmond Xavier & Zachary Wentz) over The Chosen Bros (Matt Riddle and Jeff Cobb) and The Young Bucks (Matt Jackson & Nick Jackson) to win the PWG World Tag Team titles. [18’26]

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Night 2

Trevor Lee vs. Flash Morgan Webster

Lee with a suplex variation at 10:52. He is such an ideal talent to open shows, Really gets the crowd into it with mic work before the match. Webster is a great babyface to match the heel antics. Really solid match.

Robbie Eagles vs. Joey Janela

Janela with a brainbuster from the top rope at 14:38. Wow. This was really good. One of Janela’s best matches in PWG. Janela landed a tombstone on the floor and a package piledriver that looked brutal. The super brainbuster was crazy. Eagles had a hard time getting over Friday night, but he definitely did tonight.


The Rascalz (Dezmond Xavier & Zachary Wentz) vs. Violence Unlimited (Brody King & Tyler Bateman)

A bit of a mess at the end, but damn good for what it was. Really fun match. Wentz pinned Bateman at 13:21 with the standing moonsault.

Bandido vs. Rey Horus

Wow! Incredible match and worth your while to seek out. They absolutely tore it down with some lucha flavor. Bandido won with a moonsault off the top rope while holding Horus in a body slam position. Finish was at 12:03. Sensational.

Sammy Guevara vs. Taiji Ishimori

Guevara with a shooting star press at 9:07. Ishimori seemed to injure himself early on a springboard and the match never recovered. Weird one.

Afterward, Guevara cuts a promo saying he won’t compete in PWG any longer if he doesn’t get a title shot.

Matthew Riddle vs. Timothy Thatcher

Riddle at 10:50 with the Bromission. Really good while it lasted. Maybe a bit too short, but this has been a well-paced show. No complaints.

Keith Lee vs. WALTER vs. Jonah Rock

WALTER is the new PWG champion! He pins Lee after a massive lariat at 13:32. Great, great hoss match. Rock turned heel part of the way through, landing groin shots on both Lee and WALTER. WALTER set up the finish by coming off the top rope — yes, you read that correctly — for a splash on Lee. Lee did an absolutely ridiculous flipping suicide dive onto Rock and WALTER at one point.

Afterward, Lee cut a promo said he didn’t do what former champion Chuck Taylor had asked about being a better champion than he was. Lee said he hopes WALTER now will be. Lee didn’t explicitly say he was headed to WWE, but there have been implications.

Guevara came back out when Lee was finished and got in WALTER’s face. WALTER responded by landing a massive chop, sending Guevara out of the ring. Fitting end to a fantastic card

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD Yesterday at 11:55 am

Really looking forward to checking out those cards sometime in 2027, I’m enjoying that PWG seem to have made a concerted effort to reduced their match times, I love PWG but we didn’t need to see Brian Kendrick & Tomasso Ciampia going 25 minutes

If Lee isn’t in the top tier of WWE within 2 years they’ve done something very wrong

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Post by Fernando Yesterday at 12:23 pm

I yet to understand why PWG doesn't have an up to date on demand. I mean they charge so much money for the shows they'd be raking it in Erm

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Post by Marky Yesterday at 1:07 pm

I think the issue is that On Demand opens the door for piracy.

Agree with House about Keith Lee. The guy is made for Sports Entertainment. And he's a big dude who can fly.

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD Yesterday at 6:23 pm

I think there’s a multitude of issues with an ippv model with regards to workers contracts, particularly the ROH and Evolve guys

What bugs me is that the downloads of the shows don’t come out til months after the DVD’s they say it’s to avoid piracy but streams of BOLA were available before the DVD in the UK

I think at the heart of it it’s just that PWG are run by a group of guys who don’t want to give themselves any headaches while the going is good

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