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Post by Azabache on Wed 01 Jul 2015, 3:21 pm

1st - A. Contador      fully "prepared", just too good and combative on the climbs, TT superb
2nd - C. Froome        wonderful tryer, no disgrace
3rd - N. Quintana      just found wanting
4th - V. Nibali           not quite right

But could all pass to a new generation!

Cavendish wins only a couple of stages (beaten by a couple of beasts always)

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Post by Lowlandbrit on Thu 02 Jul 2015, 12:15 pm

It would be impressive, but I'm not sure it's really possible to do the Giro/Tour double anymore. There's also pretty much no TT this year, which is going to be interesting.

Anyway, here are the runners and riders: http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Tour_de_France_2015-startlist
And here are the answers to this year's sponsors quiz:

no cheating!:
Astana: Kazakh business groups, named for the capital city
AG2R-La Mondiale: Insurance firm
FDJ: Lottery
Sky: TV company
Tinkoff-Saxo: Banking and investment banking
Movistar: Mobile phone operator
BMC: Bicycle manufacturer
Lotto Soudal: One's a lottery, the other makes sealants
Giant-Alpecin: One makes bikes, the other shampoo (temporarily dropped slogan: doping for your hair)
Katusha: Russian business groups, named for a popular patriotic song
Orica GreenEDGE: One makes dynamite, the other's just the (conveniently environmental sounding) name of the team
Etixx-Quick Step: One's a sport nutrition brand (part of Omega Pharma), the other makes laminate flooring
Europcar: Rental cars
LottoNL-Jumbo: One's a lottery, the other's a supermarket
Trek: Bicycle manufacturer
Lampre-Merida: One makes pre-coated steel (for industrial uses), the other makes bikes
Cannondale-Garmin: One manufactures bicycles, the other's a SatNav company
Cofidis: Consumer credit
IAM: Asset management
Bora-Argon 18: One makes kitchen worktop extractor fans, the other bikes
Bretagne-Séché Environment: French region of Brittany and a waste treatment company
MTN-Qhubeka: One's a mobile phone operator, the other's a charity (that doesn't pay the team)

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Post by Lowlandbrit on Thu 02 Jul 2015, 3:24 pm

Did the main teams in the season thread, so here's what the wildcard teams look like:

Bora-Argon 18 (GER)

Bretagne-Séché Environnement (FRA)

Cofidis, Solutions Crédits (FRA)

MTN-Qhubeka (RSA)

Team Europcar (FRA)
And since they're not allowed to ride in as much yellow as they usually do, LottoNL-Jumbo will be wearing this:


while Tinkoff-Saxo have gone for this (no, really):

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Post by Guest on Sat 04 Jul 2015, 11:41 am

what this news of astana in some drug storm, hardly surprising from that team.

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Post by spencerclarke on Sat 04 Jul 2015, 8:15 pm

Good first day. Suprisingly to see quintana so close today. Should be a great tour.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 05 Jul 2015, 1:16 pm

Fancy Degenkolb today - and had a punt on the Irishman Sam Bennett each way, he's been in good form this year
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 05 Jul 2015, 3:36 pm

Well well well - massive cross winds and Nibali/Quintana have been dropped
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Post by Lowlandbrit on Sun 05 Jul 2015, 3:53 pm

I'm just stunned how many people got caught out. Everyone knew the rain was coming, and there's sod all but wind in Zeeland anyway.

Another one of these scheduled for Thursday too, will be interesting to see how everyone rides then.

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Post by Guest on Sun 05 Jul 2015, 4:22 pm

Greipal wins

Cancellara in yellow

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 05 Jul 2015, 4:24 pm

Very poor from Cav that went miles too early
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Post by Lowlandbrit on Sun 05 Jul 2015, 4:26 pm

Stopped sprinting in time to let Cancellara get the bonus time he needed to pass Martin too.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 05 Jul 2015, 4:38 pm

Lowlandbrit wrote:Stopped sprinting in time to let Cancellara get the bonus time he needed to pass Martin too.

Won me £11 on the each way long shot that
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Post by dummy_half on Mon 06 Jul 2015, 3:11 pm

Should be a good finish today - Ardennes region is characterised by short sharp climbs of which there are 4 in the last 50km, the last of which being the Mur du Huy.

The big question is whether they will race it as hard as in Fleche Wallone, and if they do, will Froome or Contador gain enough time over Fab C. It's a fritghteningly steep climb and in FW leaves the peloton scattered all the way up.

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Post by Guest on Mon 06 Jul 2015, 3:14 pm

Huge crash, been neutralised & teams not happy. Doumolin, ten dam, Gerrans have all abandoned

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 06 Jul 2015, 3:29 pm

Found Quintana at 50/1 on sky bet pre race - after the time he lost yesterday that was worth a few bob

Rui Costa is my Fav today
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 06 Jul 2015, 3:52 pm

And of course he crashed....

Ten Dams dislocated his shoulder, popped it back in and carried on racing. Nutter
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Post by dummy_half on Mon 06 Jul 2015, 4:38 pm

Looks like the Mur delivered - Joaquim Rodriquez taking the win just ahead of Froome, with Froome nicking about 10 seconds from Nibali and 18 from Contador.

Froome into yellow by 1s ahead of Tony Martin

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Post by dummy_half on Mon 06 Jul 2015, 4:50 pm

Oh, and cobbles tomorrow in Roubaix territory. Wouldn't be surprised if Sky let someone have their head at the front and take the jersey away for a few days.

3 sprinters days after that, then another ramp finish and the TTT before the first proper climbing day. Sky will want a few days of not being the prime chaser this week before the TTT.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 06 Jul 2015, 4:51 pm

Was just about to post similar dummy half - no way sky will want to carry yellow from this far out
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Post by Guest on Mon 06 Jul 2015, 4:55 pm

I heard that rain is expected tomorrow on the cobbles. Carnage.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Mon 06 Jul 2015, 7:16 pm

Olly wrote:Was just about to post similar dummy half - no way sky will want to carry yellow from this far out

It could work, Froome is near impossible to break when he's got a lead to protect but he's a lot more vunerable when he has to start chasing and attacking, he'll attack but without the same usual ferocity.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 06 Jul 2015, 7:24 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
Olly wrote:Was just about to post similar dummy half - no way sky will want to carry yellow from this far out

It could work, Froome is near impossible to break when he's got a lead to protect but he's a lot more vunerable when he has to start chasing and attacking, he'll attack but without the same usual ferocity.

It's a good point HH - one I hadn't considered. 

But tbf it's pretty academic with the cobbles coming tomorrow Froome will lose the yellow jersey considering the likes of Van Avermaet, Sagan and Stybar are all within a minute of him - although if Sky wanted to keep yellow they could let Thomas have a go on the cobbles, but I think he'll be saved for Froome
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Post by dummy_half on Tue 07 Jul 2015, 9:25 am

Olly

Sky wont want the jersey anywhere in the team, and GT will spend the day riding one side of Froome with Luke Rowe the other side.

Makes sense to allow someone like Sagan or Stybar to gain enough time in the GC to take the jersey away, as they are quite capable of gaining a minute or two over the cobbles but will not present any challenge later in the race.

For Sky, today is just about keeping Froome out of trouble and not losing any time to the GC contenders.

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Post by seanmichaels on Tue 07 Jul 2015, 11:39 am

I'd read Sky wanted stage wins this year hence the selection of Classics specialist Rowe. I also think Thomas will be given a shot today

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Post by dummy_half on Tue 07 Jul 2015, 1:41 pm

Sean

No way Sky do anything more than protect Froome today, especially given what happened to him on the equivalent stage last year (although iirc, his crash wasn't actually on the cobbles). No point using more resources than needed at this early stage.

Stage wins will come later with Froome and perhaps Porte in the mountains, and if they aren't racing for GC, Thomas getting a chance on the transition stages.

Money on Sagan for today's stage - Stybar's probably slightly better on the cobbles (as would be Cancellara, but he's out with fractured vertebrae for the 2nd time this year) but it is only 7 sectors and 13 km, so Sagan should be able to minimise any gaps on the cobbled sections and then is a better sprinter from a small group.

Be interesting to see if Cav can get across the cobbles - not something he's shown much form at previously, but he claimed that one of the reasons for moving to Ettix was to learn to be a better Classics rider for Flanders and Roubaix, and this would be a good test of that form.

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Post by Guest on Tue 07 Jul 2015, 3:16 pm

degenkolb or kristoff, for me.

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Post by seanmichaels on Tue 07 Jul 2015, 3:22 pm

Or king of the mountains Nibali on his favourite cobbles again..... dodgiest thing I have ever seen.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 07 Jul 2015, 4:47 pm

Tony Martin wins solo - so happy for him!
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Post by dummy_half on Tue 07 Jul 2015, 4:50 pm

Pretty much a perfect day for Sky and Froome. No dramas, no time lost to any of his challengers and the jersey onto the shoulders of a guy that will likely keep it until the first day in the mountains.

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Post by Azabache on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:30 pm

My thoughts after the first few days:

Should we be worrying about Quintana? Will he recover the deficit in the mountains or has he blown it already?

Similar worries about Bertie, but one can never tell how he really is.

Froome seems awesome and the team remind me of US Postal/Discovery-sorry!

Nibali-doesn't seem at his peak but who knows...

Cavendish is shot I'm afraid-the Cannibal's stage record is safe.

Thankful that the cobbles' farce didn't eliminate any top riders-what on earth are these sections doing in a Grand Tour?

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Post by Lowlandbrit on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:59 pm

Not quite finished yet, but there's a website for the live tracking data: http://letour-livetracking.dimensiondata.com/

Azabache wrote:Thankful that the cobbles' farce didn't eliminate any top riders-what on earth are these sections doing in a Grand Tour?
Rubbish, why shouldn't different kinds of riders get chances in a GT? Different places have different ways to create gaps between riders, wind and cobbles are just as legitimate (and part of French cycling) as mountains.

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Post by Azabache on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 4:15 pm

I accept your view but I just have this feeling that it risks turning the Tour into a freakshow/lottery. Not sure if it's really about "different kinds of riders" but more about completely random chance of the four major stars being injured and abandoning. Perhaps they'll devise a chicane next between narrowing crash barriers on a 90KPH descent (but only if it's pouring!).

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Post by Lowlandbrit on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 4:34 pm

We've seen that leaders are actually able to survive pretty easily as long as teams include someone that knows what they're doing to guide them (if they don't themselves), and they may actually make the race safer since the peloton is cut down in size during the stage and it creates GC time gaps that settle everyone down. The massive, nervy peloton is the most dangerous part of the early stages of these races.

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Post by Guest on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 4:44 pm

Impressive from greipel, had to work hard for that but proving he's the only real top class sprinter in this field. Cav does look a spent force.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 5:10 pm

Cavendish looks off form - not quite timing his sprints right again went too early today. It'll come with time
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 11:17 pm

And the cobbles are just as much of a tour as the mountains. A grand tour is meant to be the ultimate test of a rider over all disciplines and terrains
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 11:17 pm

And the cobbles are just as much of a tour as the mountains. A grand tour is meant to be the ultimate test of a rider over all disciplines and terrains
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 11:18 pm

And the cobbles are just as much of a tour as the mountains. A grand tour is meant to be the ultimate test of a rider over all disciplines and terrains
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Post by Guest on Thu 09 Jul 2015, 8:58 pm

Tony Martin abandons tour with broken collarbone

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Post by Lowlandbrit on Thu 09 Jul 2015, 9:46 pm

That was pretty obvious from the way he finished. Bit harsh to make him go out on the podium after really.

Cunning way to create a diversion so his teammate could win though...

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Post by dummy_half on Fri 10 Jul 2015, 2:12 pm

Lowlandbrit wrote:That was pretty obvious from the way he finished. Bit harsh to make him go out on the podium after really.

Cunning way to create a diversion so his teammate could win though...

Maybe a little too extreme to be copied by any other team Wink

Good thing there are no ITTs in the race this year, as so far it's been a shocker for the TT specialists. Cancellara fracturing his back again, now Martin doing his collar bone and I believe Dowsett is last in the GC.

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Post by Azabache on Fri 10 Jul 2015, 2:34 pm

Bizarrely, the cobbles can't be blamed this year!

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Post by Guest on Fri 10 Jul 2015, 4:24 pm

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 10 Jul 2015, 4:39 pm

Yep he finally got it right - coming into form nicely and after the mountains he'll have a physical advantage over greipel, sagan and co
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Post by Azabache on Fri 10 Jul 2015, 5:00 pm

Hope so. Interesting comments on ITV4, yesterday I think, that he's lost a bit of muscle and therefore strength for the sprints. Yes, he needs tp pace through the mountains...

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Post by Lowlandbrit on Fri 10 Jul 2015, 9:30 pm

Luca Paolini has tested positive for cocaine. First time someone's failed a drug test during the race since 2012.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 10 Jul 2015, 9:54 pm

Azabache wrote:Hope so. Interesting comments on ITV4, yesterday I think, that he's lost a bit of muscle and therefore strength for the sprints. Yes, he needs tp pace through the mountains...

Maybe - but he's been on good form this year in general. He'll get over the mountains better than the big guys, he always does. That's why he usually picks up more wins towards the latter sprint stages, in particular the Champs Elysees
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Post by Lowlandbrit on Sat 11 Jul 2015, 4:38 pm

@inrng wrote:Vuillermoz almost quit after Sojasun team stopped. Ag2r interested but didn't have the budget, so private sponsor paid team to take him
Finished 3rd and 1st on the 'walls'.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 13 Jul 2015, 12:20 am

Team time trial was fairly meh today
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Post by Guest on Mon 13 Jul 2015, 3:32 pm

Italian rider Ivan Basso has withdrawn from the Tour de France after revealing he has testicular cancer.

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