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England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by LondonTiger on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 9:56 am

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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by Duty281 on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 1:32 pm

I think England will be 320/6 or 7 at stumps. The in-form players are either on their way or at the crease, plus the day is supposed to brighten up with the cloud abating somewhat.

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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by Mad for Chelsea on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 1:33 pm

Could have been better, could have been worse. Australia on top, but not by as much as they would have liked when Bell got out. These two have batted nicely to stage a mini-recovery, but the Australians will feel they haven't bowled particularly well at them...

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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by PaulHv2 on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 1:38 pm

Duty281 wrote:and Bell was the victim of a good ball.

While it was a good ball, was the victim of poor technique early in his innings. Go back and watch Bell over a period of time and you'll see two things early on. 1) The bat is away from the body when playing, criminal early on. 2) His front foot goes too far across and that is exactly what happened today, if you can get the ball moving back in to him early doors you're always in with a shout.
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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by alfie on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 1:39 pm

Quite a modest road map there Craig Smile

Probably reasonable in the circumstances. Yes Australia's session ; but apart from the wickets there was some encouragement to be had from the batting ...nothing wrong with the run rate.
England need a good session now though : I am not sure Duty's 400 pitch is quite right , given I understand we are likely to have some cloud around throughout the match ; but we'll see as we go on...

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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by CaledonianCraig on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 1:41 pm

alfie wrote:Quite a modest road map there Craig Smile


I am Scottish what do you expect. Wink thumbsup
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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by alfie on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 1:43 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
alfie wrote:Quite a modest road map there Craig Smile


I am Scottish what do you expect. Wink thumbsup

Very Happy

Confident about Andy though , once it stops raining in London ?

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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by CaledonianCraig on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 1:50 pm

alfie wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
alfie wrote:Quite a modest road map there Craig Smile


I am Scottish what do you expect. Wink thumbsup

Very Happy

Confident about Andy though , once it stops raining in London ?

Oh yes I have no doubts on that front today. Wink
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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by PaulHv2 on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 1:52 pm

The Australians are a bit slow bless, can't realise that if you bowl short and wide to Root he'll hit you for 4. Bit like England couldn't figure out why New Zealand scored so many through 3rd man.
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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by kingraf on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 1:56 pm

Actually think it's reasonably even. Three wickets for about 90 is alright, especially if you're line up bats as long as England's allegedly does. It's one of those scorecards where you think it's even, but the team which won the toss will be a little disappointed (whether batting or bowling)
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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by CaledonianCraig on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 2:05 pm

kingraf wrote:Actually think it's reasonably even. Three wickets for about 90 is alright, especially if you're line up bats as long as England's allegedly does. It's one of those scorecards where you think it's even, but the team which won the toss will be a little disappointed (whether batting or bowling)

It is getting that way now I'd say. Australia will be happy they got early wickets and know a couple more quickly and they will feel right on top. England will also be happy to be where they are after their start and will still hold out hopes of posting a score in excess of 300 which I think will be key here.
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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by VTR on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 2:15 pm

Bell has got to go I am afraid. He is a walking wicket at the moment. Something I never thought I would ever say but get Bairstow in!

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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by CaledonianCraig on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 2:17 pm

VTR wrote:Bell has got to go I am afraid. He is a walking wicket at the moment. Something I never thought I would ever say but get Bairstow in!

It won't happen. Well not during this series. He could have failures in the first three tests and not be axed but Lyth may not get that many chances. Crazy really but it is how selectors minds work.
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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by VTR on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 2:19 pm

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VTR wrote:Bell has got to go I am afraid. He is a walking wicket at the moment. Something I never thought I would ever say but get Bairstow in!

It won't happen. Well not during this series. He could have failures in the first three tests and not be axed but Lyth may not get that many chances. Crazy really but it is how selectors minds work.

I would have agreed in the past, but I think he has got one more Test to get some runs when you have someone like Bairstow who is pretty much kicking the door down to be selected. Lyth is a bit more secure as there are no openers really demanding selection in CC

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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by CaledonianCraig on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 2:23 pm

Great half century from Root. He came in at a tough time and is amidst bringing England back into this.
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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by PaulHv2 on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 2:26 pm

Balance looking like a rabbit in the headlights against Johnson now.
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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 2:37 pm

PaulHv2 wrote:Balance looking like a rabbit in the headlights against Johnson now.

Still battling away tho
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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by PaulHv2 on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 2:47 pm

Olly wrote:
PaulHv2 wrote:Balance looking like a rabbit in the headlights against Johnson now.

Still battling away tho

Yup, honestly expected him to chuck it away.
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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by CaledonianCraig on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 2:48 pm

I do think England should be looking to go after Lyon a lot more.
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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by CaledonianCraig on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 2:50 pm

England now 143 for 3 and the century partnership is up. Suddenly, things look brighter at Cardiff both weather-wise and from England's point of view.
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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by alfie on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 2:52 pm

VTR wrote:
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VTR wrote:Bell has got to go I am afraid. He is a walking wicket at the moment. Something I never thought I would ever say but get Bairstow in!

It won't happen. Well not during this series. He could have failures in the first three tests and not be axed but Lyth may not get that many chances. Crazy really but it is how selectors minds work.

I would have agreed in the past, but I think he has got one more Test to get some runs when you have someone like Bairstow who is pretty much kicking the door down to be selected. Lyth is a bit more secure as there are no openers really demanding selection in CC

I am always reluctant to make snap judgements after one innings in a series ...they look silly if the man gets a hundred in the second innings. Bell has had a string of outs ; and his confidence appears low - but I think he has a little credit left in the bank. Depends a bit how the rest of the team is going , I suspect.
I won't say "runs at Lord's or out" ; but I think he'd be sweating on the selection for the third match if he didn't get a score there . Or here , of course.
Bairstow is indeed making a strong case. And Root , although he is having a wonderful time at five , looks well capable of moving up one spot if need be.
Lyth has to have a few Tests to prove himself one way or the other ...can't keep that revolving door policy on the opening spot going !

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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by VTR on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 2:53 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:I do think England should be looking to go after Lyon a lot more.

Definitely, even Ravi Bopara managed to tear him apart. We always seem to sit in against the spinner in Tests, which pretty much cost us the last Test vs New Zealand as the very average Mark Craig was allowed to just bowl away which meant we didn't get enough runs before the second new ball in the first innings

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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by alfie on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 2:58 pm

PaulHv2 wrote:
Olly wrote:
PaulHv2 wrote:Balance looking like a rabbit in the headlights against Johnson now.

Still battling away tho

Yup, honestly expected him to chuck it away.

I don't have much concern about Ballance's temperament ; just his technique. Certainly Johnson working him over there ; but he has indeed battled through that spell , and deserves some credit for it.
Still a bit to prove against top line pace , I think. But I have hopes that he will find a method that works for him , given the determination he's displayed.
We'll all be wiser on that score by the end of this series I fancy.

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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by kingraf on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:05 pm

Bumper 16 Tests coming up. Aus, Pak, SA. If Ballance is still averaging 50+ after that, he'd have certainly proven himself.
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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by Mad for Chelsea on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:21 pm

an important 50 by Ballance, for the team of course, but also for himself, after a poor run of form clap

Haddin's drop when Root had yet to score looking worse by the minute...

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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by dyrewolfe on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:23 pm

Great fightback by Ballance and Root (hope I haven't just jinxed them by writing this).

England were desperately in need of some backbone and these two have done a fantastic rescue job. clap

Here's hoping they can push on and get England to 300 or thereabouts.
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:29 pm

Can't blame the bowlers.................It's a.. make sure we get 5 days worth of takings wicket...

Just like the last Ashes test there....

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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:35 pm

Pitch is a complete pudding but well played to these two
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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by CaledonianCraig on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:37 pm

Dare I say it....England now at with the slight upperhand?
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:44 pm

10 scores of above 50 in 24 test innings for Ballance now - and people wanted him dropped #headsgone
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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by Gooseberry on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:44 pm

there will come a time at which the heartiest of trolls will have trouble sustaining the argument that root isnt anything special

Its still hard to say if 190/3 as it stands now is a good position or not. The way these two are going it could quickly e 250/3 which certainly would be, ad the depth to englands batting shouldnt be forgotten
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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by alfie on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:44 pm

Certainly England's session - or Yorkshire's Smile

Evening session to decide honours for the day...

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Post by alfie on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:46 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:Dare I say it....England now at with the slight upperhand?

Well they are comfortably ahead of your road map at tea Smile

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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by Steffan on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:48 pm

English batsman now looking settled. Aussies will hopefully get another wicket by the end of the day

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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by Duty281 on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:49 pm

Grit by Ballance, when less patient players would have succumbed, aided by the flamboyance and everlasting class of Root = a good session for England.

Australia's bowling has been too inconsistent. The odd moment of threat, yes, but not enough pressure or accuracy to stifle England's scoring. The scoreboard has constantly ticked over.

Keep bowling short, Australia, and England will march beyond 400. Very Happy

It's about honours even, but England are slowly gaining ground in this battle.

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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by CaledonianCraig on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:49 pm

alfie wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Dare I say it....England now at with the slight upperhand?

Well they are comfortably ahead of your road map at tea Smile

To be fair to me I did say at worst.
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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by VTR on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:51 pm

Well that's the perfect session for England - c.100 runs without losing a wicket

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:55 pm

Steffan wrote:English batsman now looking settled. Aussies will hopefully get another wicket by the end of the day

Just the one, Steffan? If it is just the one, England will be ahead at the end of the day!

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Post by Steffan on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 3:57 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Steffan wrote:English batsman now looking settled. Aussies will hopefully get another wicket by the end of the day

Just the one, Steffan? If it is just the one, England will be ahead at the end of the day!
Well more than one but no wicket at all would be a disaster. Out of my two Aussie mates watching it one is still quite optimistic

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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by kingraf on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 4:01 pm

England's session, and they are pulling away a bit now. Ideally, they would like another 90-100 session for no worse than one wicket. For Aus, two wickets at 80-90 puts the game at 275ish/5, which would an even day make. Would need a bit of an inspired session for this to definitely be their day.
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Post by Steffan on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 4:11 pm

That more like it Very Happy

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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 4:12 pm

Doh

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 4:12 pm

Nice ball by Hazlewood; pretty poor stroke, though.

Tough innings from Ballance.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 4:14 pm

England could do with another 50+ partnership now to consolidate and cement what could be a fair-sized innings. This session could be key to the whole test.
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Post by alfie on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 4:15 pm

kingraf wrote:England's session, and they are pulling away a bit now. Ideally, they would like another 90-100 session for no worse than one wicket. For Aus, two wickets at 80-90 puts the game at 275ish/5, which would an even day make. Would need a bit of an inspired session for this to definitely be their day.

With 38 overs they'd want a few more than 90 I think , but generally agreed.

But Ballance has fallen quickly after tea now so things are back in the melting pot...

Came a bit out of the blue , that. Just missed it ...and stone dead lbw. Did a good job for his team ; but he will be disappointed to get out then with a big score seemingly at his mercy. Hazelwood the pick of the bowlers so far.

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Post by alfie on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 4:22 pm

Hundred for Joe Root clap Smile

Has been an excellent innings , after that rather fortunate first few balls.

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Post by dyrewolfe on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 4:23 pm

Congrats Rooty! clap

Fine century just when England needed it.

Shame about Ballance, but he did a good job considering he wasn't in the best form.

Interesting to see how Stokes approaches his innings.
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Post by PaulHv2 on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 4:25 pm

Don't know about you guys, but in my opinion there's no better shot than the on drive for four. Such a great shot to play and watch.
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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 4:26 pm

PaulHv2 wrote:Don't know about you guys, but in my opinion there's no better shot than the on drive for four. Such a great shot to play and watch.

better than the stokes top edge for 6 ?

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Re: England v Australia - Test 1, Cardiff 8th - 12th July

Post by PaulHv2 on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 4:27 pm

Gooseberry wrote:
PaulHv2 wrote:Don't know about you guys, but in my opinion there's no better shot than the on drive for four. Such a great shot to play and watch.

better than the stokes top edge for 6 ?

So much better Very Happy From a technical point of view of course.
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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 08 Jul 2015, 4:28 pm

If only theyd scored this fast at the world cup

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