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Post by Fernando on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 9:53 am

King Barrett beat Truth on pre show

Randy Orton vs Sheamus

Orton hits Sheamus several times on the floor and clotheslines him, then Sheamus comes back with an Irish Curse backbreaker. Sheamus hits Orton several times and gets a near fall, then he applies a headlock but Orton dumps him over the ropes. Sheamus hits the floor and the referee starts a count, then Sheamus makes it back in at seven and they slug it out. Orton sends Sheamus out onto the commentary table, then Sheamus tries to Brogue Kick him but Orton counters with a powerslam.

Orton goes for a hangman’s DDT but Sheamus tries to hit Ten Beats, then Sheamus knocks him down before hitting White Noise. Orton comes back with an exploder suplex, then he sets Sheamus up on the turnbuckles and they trade punches again before Orton slams him down. Orton goes for a quick RKO but Sheamus hits him with a Brogue, although he is slow to get up. Sheamus applies the Cloverleaf when he does get up, then Orton breaks it and hits a RKO out of nowhere to win.

Winner – Randy Orton

Stephanie McMahon talks to JoJo backstage about the “Divas Revolution” on RAW, and Stephanie says they haven’t seen anything yet. She says she got each Divas team to pick a representative, and they will have a triple threat match tonight. Stephanie they’ve had a lot of great matches in St. Louis, and she expects nothing less and they’ll tear the house down.

WWE Tag Team Championship
The New Day vs Prime Time Players (c)

Young suplexes Kofi for two and hits an elbow, then Titus hits him a few times before E gets the tag. He knocks Young out of the ring and sends him into the ringpost, then Kofi gets back in and hits Young in the corner. Kofi punches him on the apron a few times, then E tags in and splashes him on the apron before entering the ring. E applies an abdominal stretch but Young breaks, so E throws an elbow and sends him into the corner. Young knocks him back and Titus gets the tag, and he elbows and clotheslines Kofi a few times before hitting a backbreaker.

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Titus splashes Kofi and hits the ropes, but Woods jumps on the apron and hits an enziguiri while E distracts the ref. Kofi gets a two count before heading up top, but Titus punches him on the way down before Young hits a release throw off the tag. Young punches E and backdrops Woods on the apron, but Kofi catches him with a thrust kick after he turns around. E tags in and Kofi tries to assist with the Big Ending, but Young ducks and sends E into the corner. Young hits Kofi with Gut Check, then Titus tags in and hits Clash of the Titus for the win.

Winners – Prime Time Players

Paige is backstage with Charlotte and Becky Lynch, and she says she asked for change for months, and they are getting it. Becky says they should tear the house down tonight, because they are getting noticed by the Divas and the men. She says they will make a statement and Charlotte says they will do it with ‘flair’ and they do a pinky-promise to shake on it.

Bray Wyatt vs Roman Reigns

Bray punches Reigns a few times and mocks him, then Reigns whips him into the corner and connects with some mounted punches. Reigns uppercuts Bray and knocks him outside, then he hits him a few more times before Bray sends him into the turnbuckles. Bray punches him a few times and knocks him on the floor, then Roman goes for a basement kick but Bray sends him into the stairs. Bray rolls him in and goes for some mounted punches, but Reigns tries to counter with a powerbomb.

Bray sends him outside and stomps him on the way back in, then he hits a snap suplex and a senton for two. Bray applies a side headlock but Reigns breaks and knocks him down, and hangs him up on the ropes. Reigns goes outside for a basement dropkick but Bray was playing possum and clotheslines him, then hits a senton on the floor. Bray rolls him in but Reigns somehow powerbombs him out of the corner, only to have Bray kick out


Bray rolls outside and Reigns follows, but Bray uppercuts him and whips him headfirst into the barricade. Bray grabs a chair but Reigns punches him, then he throws some chairs in the ring but a hooded man runs in from ringside. He (it’s Luke Harper) shoves Reigns into the ring post and superkicks him, then Bray throws Reigns in and hits him, then connects with Sister Abigail for the win. Harper reveals himself after Bray poses over Reigns, and they celebrate the win.

Winner – Bray Wyatt

Team BAD (Beautiful And Dangerous) joins JoJo backstage, and she asks if they had trouble choosing a representative. Naomi says JoJo just wants to start trouble, but they are on the same page and they have muscle, dazzle and the NXT Women’s Champion. Sasha says she’s the best and if they have any questions about her, just watch.

Sasha Banks vs Charlotte vs Brie Bella

Nikki acts like she is going to compete, but backs away and nominates Brie in her spot. The bell rings and everyone tries to attack each other, with Charlotte and Brie reversing waitslocks before Brie is sent outside. Sasha whips Charlotte but Brie knocks her off the apron, then Sasha ducks a splash and blocks a dropkick. Sasha hits Brie with a forearm, then Charlotte slams Sasha onto Brie before Sasha slams them together in the corner.

Sasha sends Charlotte into the turnbuckles and stomps her a few times, then Charlotte hits her back and goes for a rollup. Sasha kicks out and hits a tilt-a-whirl slam for two, then she hits Brie with a forearm and whips Charlotte. Sasha knees her a few times and gets two, but Brie breaks the pin up and they trade punches. Charlotte clotheslines them both and suplexes Sasha, but Sasha lands on her feet so Charlotte instead hits a neckbreaker.

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Brie breaks another pin up, then clotheslines Charlotte a few times and also picks Sasha up to hit a double bulldog. Brie throws a bunch of kicks to the chest (ala Daniel Bryan), then Charlotte takes her out with a tackle after Sasha steps out of the way. Charlotte goes for a reverse wheelbarrow slam but Sasha counters with a rollthrough, then she slams her down with a straightjacket neckbreaker. Brie comes back in with a double missile dropkick, then she kicks both opponents before Sasha throws Brie outside.

We get a bit of a standoff between all the teams, but Brie gets dropkicked by Sasha into her team before Sasha splashes everyone. Charlotte hits a slingshot dive onto Sasha, Naomi and Tamina, then Charlotte rolls Brie in and sets her up on the top rope. Brie kicks her but Charlotte rocks her with a forearm shot, then Sasha surprises Charlotte with the Bank Statement, but Brie breaks it up. Brie whips Sasha shoulder first into the ringpost, then she goes for a Bella Buster but Charlotte blocks and makes her tap to the Figure Eight.

Winner – Charlotte

United States Championship
Kevin Owens vs John Cena (c)

Owens catches Cena with a punch that dazes the champion, then Owens hits a dropkick and taunts the crowd. Owens hits a back suplex for two, then Cena comes back with a dropkick and a swinging facebuster for two. Cena hits a standing legdrop for another two count, then Owens comes right back and punches Cena few more times and stuns him. Owens mocks Cena and goes for a senton, but Cena gets his knees up and hits a sitout side slam. Cena connects with a reverse electric chair drop and puts him in the STF, but Owens counters and sends Cena into the corner.

Owens slams Cena down with a backbreaker, then Owens whips Cena into the corner and hits a cannonball. Owens screams at Michael Cole to call it right, then Cena trades punches with him before hitting a sunset flip powerbomb for two. Cena hits him a few more times and sends Owens into the corner, but Owens comes back with a cradle superplex for two. He goes for a pop-up powerbomb but Cena hits a hurricanrana, only to have Owens kick him and hit an Attitude Adjustment!

Owens puts Cena in the STF and tries to make him tap, but Cena breaks it and ends up coming back with a tornado DDT for two. Cena hits a springboard stunner, then Owens hits a cradle suplex into a shoulder breaker, followed by a pop-up powerbomb for two. Owens drags Cena towards the corner and climbs up, but Cena hits him a few times and lifts him up and hits a Super Attitude Adjustment for two! The crowd goes nuts and Cena can’t believe it, and he goes for another AA but Owens tries to steal a rollup. Cena then applies a STF, dragging Owens to the center of the ring, and finally makes him tap out.

Winner – John Cena

The Miz comes out and rips Ryback and Big Show, and runs down the St. Louis crowd to get huge heat. Big Show comes out and Miz backtracks, but Show just knocks him out and walks away.

WWE World Heavyweight Championship
Brock Lesnar (w/ Paul Heyman) vs Seth Rollins (c)

Brock tackles Rollins in the corner and rams him with his shoulder, then Rollins throws an elbow when Brock goes for a suplex. Brock pulls him away from the ropes but Rollins kicks him several times, then Brock stomps him and goes for a quick F5. Rollins falls over the ropes and jumps from the turnbuckles, but Brock catches him and hits several German suplexes. Rollins bails and heads through the crowd after five, but Brock leaps the barricade and sends him back in the ring.

Brock hits another German suplex, then Rollins actually lands on his feet and superkicks him a few times. Rollins goes for a Pedigree but Brock counters, then Rollins kicks his knees and knocks him outside. Rollins hits a suicide dive then runs right back in and hits a second, then goes for a third but Brock runs after him. Brock hits a belly-to-belly suplex, then he hits a few more German suplexes before Rollins slaps him out of defiance. Brock suplexes him again and hits a F5, then makes the cover but UNDERTAKER’S GONG SOUNDS!

The place goes nuts as the lights come up and Taker is in the ring, and Brock looks shocked and tries to hit him. Taker goes for a chokeslam but Brock counters, and he tries to slam Taker but Taker blocks and low blows him. Taker chokeslams him and hits a Tombstone, then stares at him before he starts to leave. Taker sees Brock starting to move so he hits another Tombstone, then he poses and the show ends.

Result – No Contest (?)

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Re: WWE Battleground results

Post by Guest on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 9:56 am

Just posted a thread myself, I'll delete that one so there's no duplicates

was it worth watching? Have to admit I'm not a fan of how it ended (granted, ahaven't seen it)

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Re: WWE Battleground results

Post by Fernando on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 10:08 am

From Wyatt/Reigns onwards has been decent enough tbh, up to Cena/Owens atm.

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Post by owen10ozzy on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 10:39 am

Was decent enough...results are an issue for me. Where does Owens go from here? We all know going 1-2 losing the final match in the feud with Cena doesn't do you any good at all.

Rollins still champion...one who whilst has been great during his run seems to be at a bit of roadblock in terms of pushing on...ratings also aren't backing him as a viable champ, but that's another issue.

Brock vs Taker...that's clearly where it's going...one would think that Taker gets revenge for Mania with a summer slam victory....but then the mystique of Brock is going to be somewhat lost and not sure that's a great thing. Taker hasn't looked capable of producing anything approaching an vintage top notch performance...to have him go over an absolute monster at his age and with his lack of wrestling over the past 3 years is a travesty which would only harm the product moving forward imo!

So frustrating as I come out of this PPV feeling like I always do....the WWE seem incapable of letting go of the past and yesteryears stars! Rollins looked weak...Owens loses major feud...even Reigns has been beaten by a reformed team of 2 years ago (mind if it leads to shield vs wyatts again I won't complain)..from a wrestling perspective it was a good night. From storyline perspective I think they've tied themselves in knots yet again!

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Re: WWE Battleground results

Post by liverbnz on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 10:41 am

I only watched this as I fell asleep during the day so coupled with Monday dread I knew there was no hope of me getting to sleep. Was a solid PPV I thought wrestling wise - storyline wise we are yet again left with more questions than answers. PPVs shouldn't do this IMO - there should be some sort of closure and if not that at the very least a bit of logic where you can say 'oh yeah, that's were they are going and that's why X happened on RAW'.

I'm tried of constantly having to wait for explanations to things that are happening because the booking seems to be done off the cuff. It's like the writers are always playing catch-up which ultimately ends up in confusion.

Also, a non-finish here and there is fine but I think when you sell a PPV on the main event and the fact Brock Lesnar matches are such a rarity I think you owe your fans a finish.  And if you don't want Lesnar to lose then don't put him in a match where you can't put him over! I'm not pooping on Undertaker here, as I'm glad to see him back, I'd just prefer to see a finish to a main event.

Then we have the heel/face dynamic. This is were WWE are really losing it for me. I haven't a clue who to cheer for. Bray Wyatt uses excellent heel psychology in his promos - he uses nothing heelish in-ring. This did Roman Reigns no favours last night. Btw, the psychology of this match was really poor. The first half was basically lock-ups and holds. Is this what a dad would do if someone kidnapped his daughter?

Then we have Undertaker (face) interrupting the main event and attacking Brock Lesnar (face) to save Seth Rollins (heel) from losing his title. And to gain the upper hand he used a low blow. Undertaker is one of my favourite wrestlers, but my instinctive reaction to this was 'oh no, don't do that!'  And before anyone argues that wrestling is changing - yes maybe it is. But the art of storytelling is and has not. You need clearly defined heros and villians. Every movie and TV show has them - at least the good ones. WWE should be no different.

Anyway, rant over. The divas match was excellent, hopefully the new girls can rejuvenate the division. They need to bin the 'divas' belt and bring back the woman's though. And keep Stephanie McMahon away from it.


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Post by Scott is Back on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 12:16 pm

My issue with Undertakers return is...why?

He has since wrestled at Wrestlemania against Bray Wyatt, on the same card at Brock, and nothing has been mentioned, or made of the revenge factor? So why now?

Just seems random at best! Rolling Eyes

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Post by NickisBHAFC on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 12:33 pm

I thought it was a poor PPV. 

The only thing I enjoyed was Cena vs Owens and the Undertaker returning.

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Post by liverbnz on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 1:23 pm

Scott is Back wrote:My issue with Undertakers return is...why?

He has since wrestled at Wrestlemania against Bray Wyatt, on the same card at Brock, and nothing has been mentioned, or made of the revenge factor? So why now?

Just seems random at best! Rolling Eyes

Real reason I think is because they are completely stuck for a match to sell Summerslam on. I.e. they have no faith in their current full-time roster.

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Re: WWE Battleground results

Post by RinoGattuso on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 1:59 pm

He's back for Kane. With the family stuff they were mentioning?

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Re: WWE Battleground results

Post by TheCultOfPersonality on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 2:50 pm

It looked like Taker was trying to come off as a heel with the low blow and the crazed facial expressions. But with the crowd going crazy for him, he ended up looking like the face and it just didn't work out. I wouldn't mind seeing a heel or tweener taker who simply returned to seek revenge for the streak. Who's to say this doesn't turn into a triple threat match with Rollins involved as Rollins did somewhat disrespect his "brother" Kane.

I mean, who else is there to face Rollins out there? Ambrose again? :/ Reigns looks to be stuck with Wyatt. A returning masked Kane even.

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Post by Marky on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 3:10 pm

I'm sure Taker's cheers would die down if he was a heel every week. He was always better as a heel anyway.

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Post by Prometheus on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 3:34 pm

Once again, a WWE PPV that I'm really not that hot about comes off better than I'd anticipated. Is this one for the ages? No, but it was well worth the Network money this month.

Sheamus / Orton. I'm just really not into these guys and the pace just drains my interest. But it was quite passable, and I understand why Orton won, though I'd prefer to see Sheamus built as someone who could be the champ. 2.5*

Tag match. I thought this would be a TV match. But, a couple of big spots here with the apron bump and that hit to the post looked sick. Titus is awesome, this was fun. 3*

Wyatt / Reigns. I was so much more into this than I expected to be. I'd have cut a couple of minutes from the middle, because Wyatt gases a lot. But I really enjoyed this. 3.5* and Bray Wyatt on the verge of being relevant again!

Divas match. I guess that there has been limited time for the NXT women to work with Brie. And there seemed some communication issues here. Sasha was the star. 2.5*

Cena / Owens. 3 loses in rapid succession for Owens, isn't going to kill him, but it definitely tarnishes the shine he had when he came to WWE. I thought this was great. I'm not sure if it was better than the other 2 matches they had, but it was great. 4*

Brock / Rollins. I'd like to think that Brock might bring more to the game than just suplexes at some point. I think I'm getting a bit over those. And I feel totally over Undertaker. 2*

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Re: WWE Battleground results

Post by Samo on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 3:46 pm

Owens lost so I dont give a Poopie anymore. Frak this PPV, Frak the WWE and Frak John Cena.

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Post by liverbnz on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 4:38 pm

I thought taker was playing heel myself. Then he did his on one knee thing he does which generates the cheers. So was unsure in the end. Regardless, he won't be booed. He was given great freedom in 2002 as a heel, they changed his music, cut his hair. didn't work.

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Post by Liam on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 5:02 pm

I really hope the only reason for taker costing Brock is too align with the authority and become a heel, with Kane and Taker teaming with Rollins possibly? Otherwise I have no interest and don't see the logic in another taker/brock feud as taker is past it and it does nothing for Brock.

Maybe at Summerslam Brock still has a rematch as the result was a no contest, then Rollins picks the stipulation and teams with Taker and Kane vs Brock. Taker would get some heat with his alliance with Rollins and Kane, and If brock wins it further legitimises him as the best in the WWE, he loses he's lost to rollins and the brothers of destruction.

However, I feel it'll be taker/brock at SS and Rollins vs Cena for the title.

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Post by Fernando on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 5:18 pm

Summerslam Title Match:
Last i heard it was suppose to be HHH vs Rollins - Tbh when i heard that i didn't expect Rollins to have the title....Also was expecting Owens vs Cesaro for the US Title considering in NYC

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Post by Samo on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 6:52 pm

Now that I've calmed down and had time to reflect I can offer a more concise and unbiased (hopefully) review.

Typical WWE fare this year. Good PPV from an in ring view, but not as great in the story telling department.

I think Sheamus should have went over purely because he has the Money in the Bank and needs to look half decent. Decent enough match - the crowd definitely helped.

The tag match was just above TV match. Good to see Young get more of a shine as opposed to being beat down before making a hot tag to Titus. Titus has singles star written all over him.

Wyatt vs Reigns started slow but got to be a pretty tough, hard hitting affair. Happy to see Harper side with Wyatt again, he hasnt been the same since they split and its good to see WWE is capable of admiting a mistake. Shame Rowan is still injured, although it'll be good when Reigns finally has Harper and Wyatt beat and then Rowan costs him.

The Divas match was excellent even with Brie Bella. Two things to make it better - Get Steph to Frak, and get the term 'Divas' to Frak.

Im not going to discuss the US title match. The wounds are still to raw.

Rollins got in more offense than I thought, but a non-finish just cements him as a placeholder champion. Undertaker returning was a big moment, and its definitely because Lesnar took out Kane. Undertaker siding with the Authority would be an interesting development. He might be willing to work more matches and he looked in better shape than he did at Mania. That said, I dont want to see Undertaker vs Lesnar at Summerslam. Booking wise its a nightmare.

Overall Battleground did what it needs to do, and thats make me feel like the Network is worth it, and make me want to see RAW tonight.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 7:06 pm

I thought Reigns sold the in ring psychology of the match really well. I know he plays angry and intense, but he looked to me the whole time to be on edge. The interactions with the ref were really what did it. 

I'm a Taker mark and enjoyed it. I think there are many reasons it works. Most of all, I think it's probably the best way they could book themselves out of a corner. They didn't want Lesnar to lose, they didn't want Lesnar with the title again. I don't think they wanted Rollins' run over yet as they have more to do with him. 

Credit on Lesnar selling the chokeslam like you're meant to, felt like a long time since I'd seen a really good chokeslam. 

I think Taker will lose and get drawn into a Survivor Series match with Sting. 

My only worry is they are going to book Kane to return and feud with Rollins. I'd suggest the two best options are Cena or Cesaro.

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Post by Kay Fabe on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 9:53 pm

Cant really fault the PPV to be honest, yes there was bad things but there was also good aspects, it's a B show so they really only need to be concentrating on building up to SummerSlam, I fast forwarded the Orton/Sheamus match but caught the end, no surprise with how it finished and no real surprise that the Money In The Bank holder can't catch a break, I can understand someone like Edge losing matches and sneaking wins but a heel like Sheamus who has everything, Power, Strength, Agility and Agression should be booked differently, heel or not, its not 1990

Enjoyed the Diva's match, first time in years I've actually given one the time of day, was impressed by Brei considering how much praise the other two in the match received in recent months, it came off well and I like the twist Charlotte puts on the Figure 4, make it her own.

Bray Wyatt must have some win/loss ratio, he always seems to come out on top, not entirely sure whete this leaves this fued, I expect this will bring Ambrose back into the fold to back Roman up ans set up a Tag Team match for SummerSlam which is off the edge of a cliff compared to what many believed would be 2 thirds of a Triple Threat World Title match at SummerSlam

Cena/Owens...I love Owens and he brings a realism to his matches that I really enjoy but I think the WWE shot themselves in the foot a bit with this one, I was loving this program until Cesaro got involved, now all I want to see is Cesaro and anything without him feels a bit second rate regardless of how good a match these two.have Cena as I've said before is my MVP for this year, outstanding match after outstanding match, I hope his next feud is with Cesaro....or Rollins

Lesnar/Rollins - I think this match did Seth a lot of good, in the end he wasn't good enough to retain against Lesner which isn't ideal but it should that he could stand eye to eye with the Beast and it showed that he had balls and the smarts too, in the end the most devastating wrestler on the planet had hin beat, thats no real shame, for me he looked gutsy and miraculously he kept the Title

The Undertaker - I'm his biggest critic, have been on these forums in one guise or another for about 5/6 years now but thats not because I don't like him, its down to the predictability of his matches mainly as they were only at WrestleMania, Taker on the card outside of Mania is great because I genuinely don't know which was his matches will go, coming back to do Lesner should make sense but it doesn't, why didn't he have an issue at WrestleMania, the last time both were inside the same building, that can be quickly addressed though, what I like about Taker is that even at his age and less formidable look, he does have that aura that makes you doubt Lesner and thats a good thing, only really Cena offers that psychology from Lesner and Lesner sold it beautifully

I'm quite looking forward to see how they take things on RAWA tonight.

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Post by kingraf on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 10:07 pm

The only annoying thing, I'd say, is the fact that Rollins title matches seem to generally end like this. Always slightly muddied. Of course, he's a heel etc. But it would be quite cool I think if he won/retained and the result was the result.

As for the Taker Lesnar feud. While I can see why people ask "Why now?", I suspect, with some creative writing, it can be easily explained. Maybe take some cue from Boxing/MMA when a great fighter loses on the biggest stage.

"I'd never lost at Mania before. I needed time to reflect. I needed to get back on the horse, against easier opposition. But I nearly lost that because I wasn't motivated, and realised the only thing which really sparked me was thoughts of a rematch" Something like that. I realise that this basically acknowledges Wyatt as a B-list wrestler, but
- He is
- I don't care
- He'll bounce back anyway.
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Post by Kay Fabe on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 10:10 pm

Just had a think about Rollins, I wonder if Orton after his win over Sheamus will get the title shot now and that leaves the door open for Sheamus to cash in after the match, you often see the MitB holder lose a match to someone then cash the case in on that very someone at a later date

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Mon 20 Jul 2015, 11:00 pm

What does quite nicely tie in is that Wyatt has, in a round-about way, pulled Taker back in.

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Post by Samo on Tue 21 Jul 2015, 7:30 am

Its about Kane. It has to be. They've made references about Kane being his baby brother for weeks now and Lesnar took him out, which was the tipping point for Undertaker coming back.

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Post by Mr H on Tue 21 Jul 2015, 2:11 pm

It'll work so much better if say at the contract signing a few Raw's before Summerslam, Lesnar was waiting for Taker to make his entrance. His music would hit but no one would appear, the lights would come back up. His music would hit but again no Taker to be seen anywhere and the lights come back up again. Heyman and Lesnar are laughing in the ring but we then get the Judgement Day 2000 titantron video and Taker roars out as the American Badass on a bike to Limp Bizkit.

I'd MTFO.

The Beast vs The Badass is fresher and just plain better.

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Re: WWE Battleground results

Post by Prometheus on Tue 21 Jul 2015, 3:23 pm

I think that liverbnz was right above that Undertaker is a name and WWE really needs names that are known widely to sell. So, I don't see a chance of the American Badass coming out, because that's not the brand, Undertaker is.

It would also seem to be tied up to this corporate objective of selling out the AT&T stadium for the next Mania and Undertaker will be seen as a primary way of putting a lot of those 100,000 bums on seats.

I've not seen last night's Raw yet, so I'm probably commenting too early. But, even thought Calaway looked in a lot better shape than he was at either of the last two Manias, I'm still not buying into him at 50 years of age as a credible opponent for Brock.

But, if this program sells and its what the casual WWE viewer wants, sure I'll join for the ride. It might be better than I think.
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Post by liverbnz on Tue 21 Jul 2015, 3:46 pm

From all accounts, Undertaker hated the ABA gimmick so I thnk it's very unlikely to make a comeback although I agree with H in that I would love.

Agree with Prom above. Undertaker is in great shape, but his face and receding hairline is every bit a 50+ year old. It puts your suspension of belief at a real stretch.

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Post by Kay Fabe on Tue 21 Jul 2015, 6:39 pm

Prom you should be on the banned list for at least 12 and a half days for saying Calaway in refernece to Taker, C'mon man drumroll

I've heard stuff before about Taker not liking the American Badass gimmick but have always doubted it, infact many have commented that the ABA gimmick was actually just Taker being himself, maybe he doesn't like playing himself though

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Post by Samo on Tue 21 Jul 2015, 7:17 pm

I prefered the ABA. I've always felt like he had more personality and more dimension as the Bad Ass than the Dead Man. I also liked when he was the 'conscience of the WWE' and targeted especially bad heels, although he did that both as ABA and Dead Man.

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Post by Prometheus on Tue 21 Jul 2015, 7:26 pm

Kay Fabe wrote:Prom you should be on the banned list for at least 12 and a half days for saying Calaway in refernece to Taker, C'mon man

I have to be honest, I really over thought that. I started off writing Undertaker, but my thinking still was that I'm not sure whether Undertaker in WWE in 2015 facing Lesnar is right. So, I guess in retrospect I could have said that Undertaker was in great physical shape, but I wanted to differentiate between the person looking in good physical condition, without necessarily implying that Undertaker as a character is IMO a great move right now.

But I'm hearing good things about Raw and I'll catch up on that tomorrow, which will hopefully help me get into this program.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 21 Jul 2015, 9:17 pm

I thought that. NO ONE says Callaway!

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Post by liverbnz on Tue 21 Jul 2015, 10:59 pm

What about just Mark?

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Post by Brilliant_yep on Wed 22 Jul 2015, 8:19 am

At least Mr Callaway

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Post by Marky on Wed 22 Jul 2015, 9:38 am

Mean Mark surely.

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Post by RinoGattuso on Wed 22 Jul 2015, 9:11 pm

People using wrestlers real names or their indy names annoys me way more than it should.

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