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Post by KP_fan on Wed 22 Jul 2015, 9:51 am

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It's a high quality series and the Indian side...here... batting and spin department could well be a full strength test side on it's own.
The Aussie side matching the strength of Indians, with high quality pacers.

India bats first and Pujara misses a great opportunity to put a very big total and seal a spot for himself.

KL Rahul going strong......I would so love him to make it big and hold on to his test spot...he is a "Lambi race ka Ghoda"


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Post by msp83 on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 2:33 pm

After the Mathews-Thirimanne partnership was ended, Sri Lanka lost their way and ended up losing 7- 65. It was a fine innings from the Lankan skipper, and even Thirimanne managed a decent score, but the rest of the lineup didn't back them today.
The seamers chipped in with important wickets with the 2nd new ball, Ishant and even Binny....... And then Mishra's legspin proved too much for the rest.
Though India lost Rahul early, Vijay and Rahane who has worked his way to 28 not out have set a platform. They will have to stay positive and bat long. Kohli would want that lead to be at least 250 more.......

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Post by KP_fan on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 9:47 pm

CI on MIshra's magical delivery....

Mishra picked up two of the last three wickets, and bowled the ball of the day to ensnare Mubarak. The left-hander pressed forward to defend, not realising that late drift away from him had subtly
changed the line of the ball; it pitched on off stump, rather than off and middle, and straightened past his outside edge to clip off stump.


wisden on Mishra's delivery

Mishra spun their magic against the fairly flummoxed lower order. The leggie produced a peach to account for Jehan Mubarak, the ball drifting away from the left-hand batsman to land just outside off, and breaking back to go past the outside edge and hit off-stump. Magical stuff as Mubarak trudged away, completely stunned.

those who haven't i suggest watch it CI has video footage..
and if possible all of Mishra's dismissals.....the googly stumping....the big legbreak with top spin that accounted for Prasad...and that so called magical delivery OK
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Post by msp83 on Sat 22 Aug 2015, 9:57 pm

Mishra's air speed has improved, and he did talk about specifically working on that particular aspect of his game after being dropped from the side and after the issue was raised by many critiques. The best thing is that in improving his air speed, he hasn't lost out on any of the spinner's traditional tools. A much improved at work, and in spinning conditions surely, he has earned a decent run now in the side, certainly the SA series for sure.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 9:07 am

msp83 wrote:Mishra's air speed has improved,

Very Happy

he has been India's best leggie for a long time....not quite a warne ...but no less than Kaneria.....
unfairly kept out of the Indian team for quite long...because of bhai's agenda...
selectors were watching and an applause for them for brining justice. clap

Rahane gets a 100...from the number 3 slot Wink he may have found his natural home....started his FC career and played for a long time as an opener before dropping to No.3 for Mumbai.
4th hundred.....all outside India....and two 90s.... clap

and rohit has a 100 runs in the game from no.5.......pretty flexible and quick thinking management this Wink

4 top order batsmen have hundreds in this series from 2 tests and Vijay has an 82 from a single game....
top order batting, spin bowling, WK, seamers have all come good.


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Post by KP_fan on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 9:16 am

and mark my words.....Karn sharma is the best raw talent in spin in the country now
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Post by KP_fan on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 3:23 pm

90 overs tomm.....lanka needs 341 runs....so they have to go at 4rpo...and India needs 8 wickets

You would not expect them to win...but the Indian team chokes at the sight of victims in overseas tests....
Draw is what realistically lanka would be looking for.
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Post by KP_fan on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 4:16 pm

Vijay and saha out of T3 due to injuries to their hamstring areas.
Ojha and Karen nair will fly in
Golden opportunity for Ojha to smash a 100 or big 50s and make it difficult for him to be dislodged.
Although saha has been very good with the bat and improved as a WK as the series progressed.


Pujara wil get to play as an opener
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Post by msp83 on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 6:32 pm

Pujara should open, but you never know with Kohli. If Pujara is back in scoring, then Kohli's man Rohit has to be kept out. This will become particularly difficult as Rohit has played his one good game of the season and can't be expected to be able to buy a run for the next 10 tests. Don't be surprised if they send in Rahane to open, and bring in young Nair at 3 to keep Pujara out for Rohit.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 7:19 pm

On the game situation, India are in a stronger position. However if they can't get pass Mathews soon, Lanka will have a realistic chance for a draw. The track hasn't seen too much spin as such though there is a bit of something in it. However, if the batsmen apply themselves, this is not as challenging a track as the one for the first test. Ashwin has bowled well in the 2nd innings, and not only got those 2 wickets but troubled Karunaratne regularly. It was also interesting that Mathews decided to promote himself to 4. Despite his half-century in the first innings, Lahiru Thirimanne is still not in the best of form and confidence, and Mathews took it upon himself to regain control. If Sri Lanka can manage the first session wicketless and then bat positively up to tea without much damage, the last session can become very interesting.
Ashwin and Mishra will have to lead India's charge, and hopefully Ishant and Yadav can bowl some quick accurate overs and assist the spinners.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 7:24 pm

It indeed was a fine innings from Ajinkya Rahane. His away record is quite remarkable. After establishing himself in the middle order after waiting so much, Rahane had to go up to save Rohit and smooth the egos of skipper Kohli and the coach/director/whatever Ravi Shastri, but again, without any safety blanket being thrown around him, Rahane took on the challenge and produced the result.
A good knock from Murali Vijay too, after an unusual failure in the first innings, Vijay was back to his best, and today he played his shots and pushed things along in the morning. Got himself set yesterday, and ones he's set, he's always good to watch. It is a huge loss that he won't be available for the 3rd test.

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Post by KP_fan on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 6:46 am

msp83 wrote:Pujara should open, but you never know with Kohli. If Pujara is back in scoring, then Kohli's man Rohit has to be kept out. This will become particularly difficult as Rohit has played his one good game of the season and can't be expected to be able to buy a run for the next 10 tests. Don't be surprised if they send in Rahane to open, and bring in young Nair at 3 to keep Pujara out for Rohit.

you have been used to Dhoi's way of thinking ...keep personal favourites at the cost of team performance.

Kohli is simply doing what he thinks he needs to , to win a test......they dumped Bhajji quite quickly.

If he drives his agenda...he will lose his captaincy..

Nair might open....or Rahane might....that would be purely governed by those being considered better options.
I do bleiev Pujara opening is the most likely case.

Meanwhile Mishra produced anotehr peach delivery thta only leggies can.......drifts in the air and spins big to bowl chandimal around his legs

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Post by KP_fan on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 8:09 am

India win.....by a mile....the sweet smell of an overseas test match win.

we could  have been 2-0 up...but I'll take 1-1.....we are playing good cricket...looking at taking wickets all the time .....and suddenly the bowling looks so potent....with both seamer hitting nearly 90mph
Ashwin is in a zone and Mishra's wickets have been spectacular leggie dismissals ......dipped in an bowled chandimal around the legs, and the googlies that lower order did not pick....bamboozling the tail.

Kohli has come close to winning every test he has captained......adelaide, dhaka,Kandy......I am pleased with the way team is shaping up.
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Post by msp83 on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 1:26 pm

Fine win for India in the end. Ravichandran Ashwin, who has coped with a lot of criticism despite being India's best spinner for the last 4 years has helped deliver an away test win. People would still be grumbling he doesn't run through sides in English and Australian conditions, but he has been improving steadily and is clearly the number 1 spinner.
Umesh Yadav got the big morning withoug wasting any time in the morning, and ones Mathews was out early, Lanka just disintegrated. Chandimal had no special performance to offer this, and in the end it was all too easy for India. Mishra is taking his chances, and is clearly the number 2. Hopefully Jadeja can rediscover his form and also find a way to score some test runs soon. Ashwin, Mishra and Jadeja, that will be a very challenging combination for the South Africans, and if Umesh and Ishant can do what they are doing well in this series, despite the batting weaknesses, India can give the South Africans who are the number 1 ranked test side, at their best when playing away in particular, a seriously good run for their money.

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Post by msp83 on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 1:33 pm

If Nair end up opening with a fit and available Pujara missing out, Kohli and Shastri will expose themselves big time. Think the 'fairminded' selection committee deliberately included a middle order bat with no opening experience in the side so that Kohli-Shastri would be pushed to pick Pujara. Hopefully Cheteshwar will be back to scoring big and thus make it impossible to keep Wonderboy Rohit in the test side and let him go through at least 15 absolutely dreadful innings before he scores the next hang on innings of worth that would still extent the trouble of carrying him for the team for yet another year.

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Post by KP_fan on Mon 24 Aug 2015, 6:59 pm

msp my friend...we have to look beyond the Dhoni template...which was fixed , slow and inflexible....
the selectors and Kohli/ shastri have shown fairness, flexibility, quick thinking ......and unless over a period of time some agenda is proven we must acknowledge their actions in a positive way,
even though our personal preferences are different.

I also do not prefer Rohit...but the reason why he continues to be in is because kohli / shastri believe its in best interest of team and are willing to risk their careers to back their instinct..... and not because they have a agenda of nepotism.

further why Nair selected.....

--there was no promising young opener in form in the country ..so instead of selecting a Ranji opener for name sake.......they picked Nair...who has been in prolific form in ranji / irani and cracked a match saving hundred vs SA-A

--Pujara is also not an opener btw.....and 90% chance is he will open, but he may not want to and so they will have to reshuffle and put someone else in.

I do believe chance of Nair playing is low....but its a good selection inot the squad
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Post by msp83 on Tue 25 Aug 2015, 4:11 pm

Kohli has already hinted that Pujara will be opening.......
Now back to the Nair selection. The boy has played just around 2 full domestic seasons, Hasn't even played enough games to score 2000 FC runs. He has some big match runs and a triple ton as well, but there is a level of inconsistency to his game.
Think Manish Pandey, who averages 50 + like Nair, but over a longer period should have been picked ahead of his Karnataka teammate. Pandey has impressed with his temperament and technique in the only ODI he played for India. He was called up to the limited overs squads much earlier, has shown terrific big match temperament too. His 4th innings hundred against Mumbai in the Ranji finals 3 seasons ago is still one of the better Ranji innings in the last few seasons.
Or young Mayank Agarwal who is an explosive opener  who again is from the Ranji champions, has played some fine knocks for them, and though his overall FC record is mediocre, that shouldn't be a problem for the selection committee that picked Karn Sharma for the test side, as Agarwal has done well in the IPL that is the most important criteria for the current selection committee.......


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Post by msp83 on Tue 25 Aug 2015, 4:16 pm

Though Kohli has made it clear that Pujara will open for the next test, he has also implied that regardless of what Pujara would do in the next game, he will not be picked for the next test as Rohit has to be played in the side come what may.
Kohli said India would look to "keep to the same batting line up" for the SSC Test, save for the two injury replacements. M Vijay's spot would be taken up by Cheteshwar Pujara, Kohli said, while Wriddhiman Saha will be replaced by Naman Ojha, who flies into Sri Lanka on Monday night.

"Pujara is pretty solid, and with the new ball, he has opened in the subcontinent before," Kohli said. "If we had three-four Tests, then you have to think of a proper opener. I feel Pujara has done the job in the past, and we are very confident he will be able to do the job in the next game."

"Our main aim is to win a Test match," Kohli said. "If someone has to chip in for one game and then miss out for the next, it is understandable. Whatever is done is for the betterment of the team. If a Pujara is asked to open in the next game because the team demands him to do so, he is pretty happy to do it. I certainly believe that you need to play the best XI possible for a particular game and play guys at positions that will give you the best chance of winning a Test match. Shuffling, chipping and changing, cutting and changing, I don't really mind doing that.".
If Kohli has to place people for the betterment of the team, then the best option he has is to place Rohit permanently at number 12!
Come to your senses, Virat! Don't insist on being a sad little clown!

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Post by KP_fan on Tue 25 Aug 2015, 5:48 pm

So there is a rationale

Pujara is there and will open and in the long term scheme of things.......so no need for another opener.
Why nair?
Because there is a subjective element and young nair is probably deemed a long term test potential. So they are getting him in the mix of test squad.
Why not Manish or rayadu or tiwary or jadhav......maybe I have also a preference for one of them.....bur hey they are selectors and have made many good calls so their preferences take precedence.

You are running out of good reasons to criticise them Smile
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Post by KP_fan on Tue 25 Aug 2015, 6:12 pm

Axar will probably replace Bhajji in the squad for the next series.
Karn will now be a standby for Mishra.
Selectors with inputs from Dr avid are fast creating a bench / reserves.
Trying to make up in 1 year the damage done in last 5 years to our test stature

"India A's spinners - Axar Patel, Jayant Yadav and Karn Sharma - engineered South Africa A's lower-order collapse as the visitors lost their last seven wickets for 56 runs to finish with 260 on the first day.

While Axar picked up his third five-wicket haul in first-class matches, it was offspinner Jayant's double-strike that first threw South Africa off gear. Jayant bowled Stiaan van Zyl for 96 in the 72nd over, when South Africa were cruising on 204 for 3, and two overs later, had Quinton de Kock stumped for a duck. Axar then sliced through the lower order, picking up four of the remaining five wickets that fell in a little over eight overs. Jayant and Karn finished with three and two wickets respectively."
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Post by msp83 on Tue 25 Aug 2015, 7:31 pm

The record of the current selection panel hasn't been anything to write home about. The only thing they managed just about OK was to manage Tendulkar's retirement and bravely introducing Ravindra Jadeja to test cricket as the 3rd spinner/all-rounder for the home series against Australia. .
Their actions do not give the confidence that they watch any domestic cricket other than IPL. They picked Stuart Binny because Roger told them he's the answer to the search for the next Kapil Dev!! They picked Harbhajan for the test squad because he didn't get tonked in the last IPL!! They picked Karn because he turned a couple of balls in the IPL a couple of seasons ago!!

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Post by KP_fan on Tue 25 Aug 2015, 8:53 pm

msp83 wrote:The record of the current selection panel hasn't been anything to write home about. The only thing they managed just about OK was to manage Tendulkar's retirement and bravely introducing Ravindra Jadeja to test cricket as the 3rd spinner/all-rounder for the home series against Australia. .
Their actions do not give the confidence that they watch any domestic cricket other than IPL. They picked Stuart Binny because Roger told them he's the answer to the search for the next Kapil Dev!! They picked Harbhajan for the test squad because he didn't get tonked in the last IPL!! They picked Karn because he turned a couple of balls in the IPL a couple of seasons ago!!

Current selection panel was operated by Srini, Dhoni, Meyappan etc.....until a few weeks back when Dalmiya returned
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Post by msp83 on Wed 26 Aug 2015, 5:23 pm

Dalmiya returned a few months ago not a few weeks!!

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Post by msp83 on Wed 26 Aug 2015, 5:52 pm

It is interesting to note that both Naman Ojha and Wriddhiman Saha are in their 30s. They are unlikely to be long term selections.
So who would be the next long term wicketkeeper for India in tests? Sanju Samson's name is an obvious one, but he hasn't been keeping wickets for Kerala in Ranji Trophy, keeps only in limited over games. The road to the national side as a batsman only is going to be not so easy for Samson, but if he starts keeping regularly in the longer format, think he's the clear frontrunner.
19 year old HP wicketkeeper Ankush Bains is another one to lookout for, as is Gujarat's Smit Patel. The disadvantage for Bains is like Rishi Dhawan, he too plays for a division 3 side, and the IPL only selectors are unlikely to credit him beyond the A team. So whenever he gets a chance with the A team like he's doing right now, he has to make it count big.
As for Patel, as Parthiv Patel is still around, the younger man often plays as a batsman only. Perhaps he should move to Saurashtra or Baroda to get more exposure as a wicketkeeper.
Among the more senior domestic keepers, Dinesh Karthik and Parthiv Patel have had their chances, but you never know with this selection committee. Ranji champion Karnataka's CM Gautam has been doing very well over the last few seasons and has the reputation of a man for the crisis. However, the selectors haven't given him enough exposure with the A side yet.

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Post by msp83 on Wed 26 Aug 2015, 5:59 pm

Meanwhile in the 4 day gaim against South Africa A, India A took the first innings lead. Abhinav Mukund, Jiwanjot Singh and Ambati Rayudu all made half-centuries, and young Bains is not out on 34. With all the bowlers capable of holding a bat, they would be hoping to bat SA A out of the game.

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Post by KP_fan on Thu 27 Aug 2015, 7:54 am

Gautam of karnataka and Tare of Mumbai should be considered, they are probably not rated high in their skills.
The concept of "long term " is a dated one

If a guy can serve us well for 2 to 3 years is also god enuf,
Another one will appear in 2 years who can serve for 2 to 3 more years

To win tests and to have teenagers who will play 15. Years + and make a lot of record a for you are mutually exclusive.

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Post by msp83 on Thu 27 Aug 2015, 5:10 pm

Players take time to get used to the demands of international cricket. Particularly in a domestic setup like that of India where the quality of cricket or the quality of pitches do not always make them ready to tough it out straight away. So it is important that a player is able to contribute consistently well to the side over a longer period of time. If Saha can continue to make good on his temperament and overcome the limitations of his batting technique and score enough runs and remain safe enough behind the wickets, he can offer a ew more years. I believe Ojha is a better bat, hopefully he can take his chance and establish himself. But they both aren't going to be around for long. MS is also unlikely to continue in the limited overs setup for more than a couple of years. So think they should groom someone like Samson or Bains quickly. Think they should be given some opportunities, perhaps with the limited overs squad, and then may be in the test squad though they may not play too many games.
Gautam is a good call, but not too sure about Tare. Like the 'Mumbai Wonder' in the side, think he's more flash rather than substance.

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Post by msp83 on Thu 27 Aug 2015, 5:47 pm

The series decider to get underway tomorrow.
Pujara in for Vijay is already declared by Captain Kohli and Cheteshwar will open. Naman Ojha most likely to make his test debut as India are unlikely to go in with KL Rahul as the fulltime wicketkeeper for a test though he did keep alright in the last match after Saha got injured, pulling off a fine first ball catch on the final day though he missed a stumping of the last man.......
If they are serious about the 5th bowler/all-rounder, think Bhuvneshwar Kumar will be a better bet than Binny. BK is a proper bowler, his new ball swing could be impactful on subcontinent tracks. And he can bat as well, remember after Vijay, Dhoni and Rahane, he was India's best bet in England with the bat, besides being the leading bowler....... Roger's son is there because of his father in the selection committee, he is proper bits and pieces. Average with the bat, absolutely mediocre with the ball. He had an average game with the ball, but his seemingly stronger attribute, his batting, it was painful watching him in the last game.......

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Post by KP_fan on Thu 27 Aug 2015, 6:54 pm

Stuart Bnny did well in 3 ranji seasons in a row.....he did well in IPL, he did well in ODIs

he deserves a run in test matches...which he earned when he scored match saving 76 on debut in Eng......but then the bhai dumped him after dropping catches off his bowling.

If team management shows trust in him...his batting will blossom sooner than later......a meaningful inning from him is round the corner
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Post by msp83 on Thu 27 Aug 2015, 7:53 pm

KP_fan wrote:Stuart Bnny did well in 3 ranji seasons in a row.....he did well in IPL, he did well in ODIs

he deserves a run in test matches...which he earned when he scored match saving 76 on debut in Eng......but then the bhai dumped him after dropping catches off his bowling.

If team management shows trust in him...his batting will blossom sooner than later......a meaningful inning from him is round the corner
Hope the 'meaningful innings' from Roger's son is not like the proverbial Rohit 'Tallent' that would flourish consistently any time, though we have been waiting for the last 9 years for that!!
Any Binny as an all-rounder is a ludicrous notion, he's more of a semi bowler even for Karnataka as his 98 wickets from 64 games indicates. Doesn't even average 2 wickets per game. And despite the last 3 apparently stupendous seasons in Ranji, his batting average is 34 in FC cricket. Is there a better case for a total bits and pieces test player among the current international bunch?
Bangladesh have Shakib Al Hasan, England have Ben Stokes, Australia have Mitchell Marsh, Sri Lanka have Angelo Mathews, New Zealand have James Neesham and Corey Anderson.
And India have Stuart Binny!!! Even Zimbabwe's Chamu Chebhabha has a better case for being considered a better test all-rounder!!

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Post by msp83 on Thu 27 Aug 2015, 8:16 pm

Cliché King Shastri declares 'Nobody Owns a Batting Position in this Indian Team'
Just well could have added that Rohit Sharma owns a position regardless of actual contribution as he's very talented and being from Mumbai!!

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Post by msp83 on Fri 28 Aug 2015, 7:50 pm

A rain hit first day. Only 15 overs of play, but lots of action. Couple of wickets for Lanka, Rahul getting out in the first over, Rahane getting done in by one that came in a long way. Kohli dropped by Kusal Perera who has taken over as wicketkeeper from Chandimal who is playing as a batsman only in this game. The ball moving around quite a bit test both Kohli and Pujara, they managing to live on and continue the fight for another day.
Hope the rain stay away for the rest of the game.......

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Post by msp83 on Fri 28 Aug 2015, 7:55 pm

Hope India wouldn't miss Bhuvneshwar Kumar on this track. He would have been plenty on that day one track for sure! Roger's son better turn up with the ball in this game, the conditions are pretty good for seam bowlers, and Binny hopefully will be able to improve on his average of 184 and strike rate of 300 with the ball!
But India would be hoping Binny and co will have to get to work with the ball with a solid total to defend. Hopefully Pujara can prove his worth to Kohli-Shastri, and Rohit can for ones in his life, earn his place for the next test with a performance of note......

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Post by msp83 on Fri 28 Aug 2015, 8:01 pm

Meanwhle in the A team game against SA A, the Indians winning by an innings and then some more!. Akshar Patel, who made an unbeaten 69 besides his 1st innings 5for, took 4 wickets in 6 overs without giving away a run.
Akshar needs to improve the art of spin in his bowling and bring about considerable improvement in his batting, but he seems to have responded well to Sunil Gavaskar's recent criticism of his bowling.......

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Post by msp83 on Sat 29 Aug 2015, 6:53 am

Captain Mathews got Captain Kohli early in the day, since then its been Rohit and Pujara together, fighting it out for India in the middle. The ball is still moving around a bit even now. India 86-3.

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Post by kingraf on Sat 29 Aug 2015, 8:23 am

How is Binny in the top six?
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Post by kingraf on Sat 29 Aug 2015, 9:39 am

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Post by msp83 on Sat 29 Aug 2015, 11:14 am

kingraf wrote:How is Binny in the top six?
Because he's Roger's son and Kohli is a clown!
The question of greater importance is, How come Binny in the Squad!?

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Post by msp83 on Sat 29 Aug 2015, 11:23 am

Though he has been our best bowler, Ravichandran Ashwin the batsman has not turned up for this series unfortunately. If he continues to bowl like this, I can live with that, but there is some quality and ability in there, hope he'll be to his best with the bat as well soon.
Amit Mishra making it count with bat and ball in this series, He's been the 2nd best bowler for India this series, and his batting contributions lower down the order have been good.

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Post by KP_fan on Sat 29 Aug 2015, 3:50 pm

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the bold and refreshing combo of Shastri and Kohli prove....there is no need for fixed positions.
anyone who has an organized game with tight defense can bat higher at ....and those who are loose stroke makers should bat lower.

Pujara played the type of inning that kills speculation about how good he is...his class, temperament.....and instead of perceptions .....he lets the bat do the talking...
tomm he should get to a 150....as India will be 320ish.....on a pitch where 250 was par.
Now we willl see how shastri / kohli keep him out in the next test.

though lighting a fire under the a.ss works is also proven......and Rohit will be pushed out of 11 and into reserves.

Batting reserves are so healthy....with Kohli, Pujara, Rahane, Dhawan, Rahul all getting 100s and Vijay got an 82 in 1 of his two innings.
Nair from all reports is a classical , technically correct batsman, waiting in the wings

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Mishra personfies pluck, fight , spirit , never say die with a bat in his hand.....and with a supporting captain is creating bamboozling large spinning Wow type legbreaks and mesmerizing googlies...
now wonder he was too hot for the timid minded , chicken hearted Dhoni to handle.

Binny has a good opportunity to deliver with the ball, in game that only one side can lose from here...ie Lanka.

and msp you have to see Binny's last two or 3 seasons...where his batting average is nearing 50 and bowling rather hand in low 30s.

when picking a mature FC cricketer in late 20s....like Ojha, Rayadu, Binny etal.....you do not look at their last 10 years record , when they were learning the trade averaging...but rather the current one or two seasons

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Post by msp83 on Sat 29 Aug 2015, 4:15 pm

KPF, to know that Roger's son is less than average as an international cricketer, you just need to watch him at the test level. He has improved as a domestic batsman in the last couple of season, but there is not much class in there, he's certainly nowhere near the class and abilities of most of the reserves. He's batting far too high at 6, and to bat any lower his bowling should have been good enough. He's military medium, swings the ball in favorable conditions but mostly useless elsewhere type. And even when he swings it, his pace is not good enough to trouble international batsmen.
Even if Rohit gets a duck in the next innings, trust Kohli-Shastri to bench Pujara for the club man!

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Post by msp83 on Sat 29 Aug 2015, 4:19 pm

BTW, did you notice Kohli's wicket today? He yet again reached out to one that he could have easily left alone, even if he would have connected, there wouldn't have been anything dramatic in terms of output. The England bowlers did Kohli in through that line throughout the series last year, and Kohli seems to have worked on that particular as pect of his game. But when the ball was moving around, the bad habit returned to do him in. Even for a top batsman like Kohli, it is important to constently reinvent himself to stay on top...... He should rather focus on all that rather than plotting with Shastri on how to keep Rohit in the side at all cost.......

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Post by KP_fan on Sat 29 Aug 2015, 4:28 pm

msp83 wrote:KPF, to know that Roger's son is less than average as an international cricketer, you just need to watch him at the test level. He has improved as a domestic batsman in the last couple of season, but there is not much class in there, he's certainly nowhere near the class and abilities of most of the reserves. He's batting far too high at 6, and to bat any lower his bowling should have been good enough. He's military medium, swings the ball in favorable conditions but mostly useless elsewhere type. And even when he swings it, his pace is not good enough to trouble international batsmen.
Even if Rohit gets a duck in the next innings, trust Kohli-Shastri to bench Pujara for the club man!

don't burn your blood over Binny...he will be dumped soon....if he doesn't deliver.
this is a fair regime ( shastri, kohli, selectors and BCCI) concerned with doing what it takes to win.
and they are accountable.....I say this umpteenth time.....they cannot drag one who doesn't perform for too long.

they dumped Bhajj and aaron quite quickly.......realizing that the two lacked potential and was hard to get them to improve in this short series.

bhajji won't be picked for the SA series......Axar will replace him.

Aaron will make way for Shami as soon as the latter is fit.....although unlike Bhajji he will remain in scheme of things...he has age on his side and pace and coaches can improve him

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Post by KP_fan on Sat 29 Aug 2015, 4:44 pm

msp83 wrote:BTW, did you notice Kohli's wicket today? He yet again reached out to one that he could have easily left alone, even if he would have connected, there wouldn't have been anything dramatic in terms of output. The England bowlers did Kohli in through that line throughout the series last year, and Kohli seems to have worked on that particular as pect of his game. But when the ball was moving around, the bad habit returned to do him in. Even for a top batsman like Kohli, it is important to constently reinvent himself to stay on top...... He should rather focus on all that rather than plotting with Shastri on how to keep Rohit in the side at all cost.......

he has scored a 100 and a 78 in this series

and tons of runs in the series before this one in Aus

what makes you think that he doesn't focus on his batting?

the problem is scarrred defensive minded people like gavaskar, Manjrekar as experts trying to pass judgement on shastri / kohli......who approach is specialist opener, specialits nos 1,2,3,4 cast in stone...batting slots....get set, see off, drop shutters 20 minutes before lunch, tea, close of play, see off the first half hour every morning......

for the scarred / defensive minded experts and anaylyts there is too much emphasis on technique, get set, see off drop shutter, batting positions......with the weak minds cannot digest the Kohli / shastri ways....almost like grand mother reacts at the younger generation wearing a short skirt.

Had it not been for strong Ganguly.....these scarred mentality defensive guys would have not allowed sehwag also to flourish.

BOTTOMLINE AND AN IMPORTANT ONE......after many years India is likely to come back undefeated from an overseas test series....and let this not be lost on anyone......shastri and kohli talk about results-NOW-Current-this day-this match.......and they have already delivered a milestone





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Post by msp83 on Sat 29 Aug 2015, 6:18 pm

When it comes to wonderboy Rohit, Gavaskar, Sanjay and co has nothing traditional about them. They want to find faults with Pujara's technique, his slow scoring and so on. Whenever Rohit lets the side down, that is met with silence. Shastri is leading the Rohit For Ever Club and Kohli is going aloing.
What do you think? If both Pujara and Rohit are fit and available for the next, who would play if it comes down to a single place? I am sure Shastri-Kohli will go in with Rohit. And the Gavaskars of the world would be busy finding excuses.......

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Post by KP_fan on Sat 29 Aug 2015, 8:19 pm

It will be hard to keep Pujara out now.
And should shastri / kohli still keep him out for Rohit....it could cost them Their career.

My perso.al opinion as I have expressed it many times ....rohit won't cut it in tests...he is lacking both technique and temperament and you've gotta have at least one


My gut feeling through against SA we will go back to 2 spinners and 2 seAmers.....on Indian pitches. Mishra and ashwin wil be a handfuk.
And if to a real dust bowl they may play 3 spinners and 1 seamer only

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Post by msp83 on Sat 29 Aug 2015, 9:16 pm

Playing 6 batsmen including Rohit and then as a reluctant afterthought Pujara would be what the Cliché Clown would prefer as that would be the safe option for the Mumbai lobby. But how would Kohli go in with his horrendously implemented 5 bowler theory could make things interesting. If Kohli still go for Rohit over Pujara, I will be done with the Indian team. It will be the next major conspiracy after what they did to Kevin Pietersen in England!

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Post by KP_fan on Sat 29 Aug 2015, 10:47 pm

msp83 wrote:Playing 6 batsmen including Rohit and then as a reluctant afterthought Pujara would be what the Cliché Clown would prefer as that would be the safe option for the Mumbai lobby. But how would Kohli go in with his horrendously implemented 5 bowler theory could make things interesting. If Kohli still go for Rohit over Pujara, I will be done with the Indian team. It will be the next major conspiracy after what they did to Kevin Pietersen in England!

I am sorry you are too much in the woods...looking at trivialities of this guy over that...5 bowlers or 4 or 4.5

we won the second test, came close to winning the first and looks like its very difficult to lose 3rd test
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 5:55 am

KP_fan wrote:
msp83 wrote:Playing 6 batsmen including Rohit and then as a reluctant afterthought Pujara would be what the Cliché Clown would prefer as that would be the safe option for the Mumbai lobby. But how would Kohli go in with his horrendously implemented 5 bowler theory could make things interesting. If Kohli still go for Rohit over Pujara, I will be done with the Indian team. It will be the next major conspiracy after what they did to Kevin Pietersen in England!

I am sorry you are too much in the woods...looking at trivialities of this guy over that...5 bowlers or 4 or 4.5

we won the second test, came close to winning the first and looks like its very difficult to lose 3rd test

msp is not too much with his word. Its surely a conspiracy that pujara has not been selected in the team since Kohli put on the captaincy cap. Well I know he was out of batting order but he improved and he must have been selected in BD tour, instead of Rohit. Instead he is filling the injury gap.

Its a fact that we never look at the weak side if we are wining. The number 6 position is surely a place to look for. Binny no where look impressive to be in the team, only to make their policy of 6-5 Sastri/Kohli are risking a batsman career. We have seen that Binny is not more than a part timer.

In the next series they will sure go with two spinner and two seamers, but in my opinion instead of going with binny they should go with 7 batsmen because against SA they will surely need runs on the board. This 300-350 scoreline will not do much of the business. If they need to take their score well beyond 450, number 6 position need to score well and I don't think that will go well with binny in the side.

If Vijay-Dhawan are back surely Rahul/pujara will have to sit out and that is costly because both are scoring runs. I think position 3 and 6 should be shared by both these batsmen to ensure a strength in the backbone of Indian batting order.

I supported 7-4 strategy rather that 6-5 because in India mostly they will rely on Ashwin and either of Ojha(who is pretty successful in India) or any other spinner they will select.
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Post by KP_fan on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 7:35 am

Pujara "carried the bat through" and that's a rare prestigious feat for any opener clap clap

at lunch Lanka 5 down with no even 50 runs on the board.....Binny on fire Wink
Had Dhoni known how to use bowlers to take wickets.....he would have gotten a lot more out of Binny in english conditions
and Mishra
or a number of other bowlers , who were labelled and dumped as useless...because defensive bhai didn't know how to use bowlers in tests
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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 7:42 am

KP_fan wrote:
msp83 wrote:Playing 6 batsmen including Rohit and then as a reluctant afterthought Pujara would be what the Cliché Clown would prefer as that would be the safe option for the Mumbai lobby. But how would Kohli go in with his horrendously implemented 5 bowler theory could make things interesting. If Kohli still go for Rohit over Pujara, I will be done with the Indian team. It will be the next major conspiracy after what they did to Kevin Pietersen in England!

I am sorry you are too much in the woods...looking at trivialities of this guy over that...5 bowlers or 4 or 4.5

we won the second test, came close to winning the first and looks like its very difficult to lose 3rd test
There is another way it. We lost the first test. Because of the flawed team selection. The 5th bowler selected for the game, Harbhajan Singh was a complete disaster. All he managed was to kee Ashwin away from the bowling crease when the led spinner was bowling really well. Harbhajan didn't offer anything with ball or bat. And because of the political selection of Rohit over Pujara who is even better than Kohli in playing spin in spinning conditions, the batting encountered 2 horrendous collapses that eventually did them in. So who over whom would certainly matter, and the 5 bowler theory too.
In the 2nd test, Binny as the 5th bowler kept the runs down and took a wicket too! However batting him at 6 was downright ridiculous as he's not good enough. Push the wicketkeeper up to 6, Ashwin, Mishra and Kumar then, would have far more sense. Or may be against a superior bowling lineup like that of Sri Lanka, they would need 6 batsmen, and that 6th hopefully would be KL Rahul and not Rohit Sharma.
And Pujara, as sheer common sense would indicate, has to play ahead of Rohit any tay!

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