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Post by KP_fan on Wed 22 Jul 2015, 9:51 am

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It's a high quality series and the Indian side...here... batting and spin department could well be a full strength test side on it's own.
The Aussie side matching the strength of Indians, with high quality pacers.

India bats first and Pujara misses a great opportunity to put a very big total and seal a spot for himself.

KL Rahul going strong......I would so love him to make it big and hold on to his test spot...he is a "Lambi race ka Ghoda"


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Post by KP_fan on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 8:12 am

can they avoid a follow on ? Shocked Shocked

isn't follow on target reduced to a diffrential of 150 runs when the game is reduced effectively to 3 or 4 days ?
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Post by KP_fan on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 8:17 am

msp....we lost the first test not because of 5th bowler or not having the 7th batsman or Bhajji or Binny..........but simply because we choked
it was lost in mind......to nerves , pressure.....

BUT

unlike past where we kept choking for 5 years....we fixed it in second test.......we learnt and  became better.

and Re. Binny.....he has shown he can bring value........and if they persist with him he will deliver with the  bats also.....with end up averaging 35 with the bat over 25 odd tests.

Ishant.....bolwing with pace and bounce and a line of attack that we last saw him bowl when Kumble was the captain.

Prasad hit and retires...effectively 7 down

312 looking like 1000 runs away from where lanka stand now
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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 8:19 am

Sri Lanka batting like all their batsmen turning into Rohit Sharma! At 47-6, the follow-on is still 65 away. Ishant leading the attack with 3 wickets though he is ever close to bowling a no-ball all the time so much so that the umpires keep checking for the no-ball regularly. And as for Upul Tharanga, even the technology wasn't good enough for the umpire and he endeed making a silly mistake. Even Chandimal can consider himself a bit unlucky as it seemed the ball was a bit high on that LBW call. Everything India's way at the moment.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 8:33 am

msp83 wrote: Everything India's way at the moment.

True...when did you last see all the luck going India''s way?

only when you have positive intent......aggressive approach...even the luck starts rolling your way.

catching os been generally good but a sitter dropped now
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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 9:07 am

As expected, there is a lower order partnership just when the Indian seamers looked on top of things. Kusal is taking his chances and counterattacking, and so far it has proved to be a very effective debut innings. Herath giving him good company, hopefully it won't be yet another big lower order partnership that would undo all the hard work put in earlier, first by Pujara, then by the bowlers today.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 9:11 am

With the follow-on just 8 runs away, the choice will soon be out of Kohli's hands.
BTW, the 150 lead would come in only if an entire day is lost. As there were 15 overs, Lanka would avoid the follow-on when they reach 112.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 9:29 am

Kusal Perera gets to 50 in his debut innings. He looks set to do another Chandimal on India here.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 9:45 am

Ishant bowling well to take 4 here, Perera the last out, holding out to Kohli.
Ishant bowling well in the subcontinent, long after he and Zaheer troubled the Australians under MS Dhoni's captaincy.......

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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 9:46 am

Think Kohli should bring Mishra on from one end, if he gets it right, he can be quite a handful for the lower order.

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Post by LondonTiger on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 9:58 am

Great to see Steve back in the team and carrying his bat.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 10:06 am

From 47-6, Sri Lanka recovering to 147-7. Mishra on at lat........

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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 10:13 am

Herath on to 33 and looking comfortable enough. The spinners on form both ends, they'll have to do something quickly now.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 10:17 am

Mishra gets Kaushal just when another partnership was developing. But the batsman can consider himself unlucky as he was given out LBW despite getting an edge on that one.......

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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 10:19 am

And Dhamika Prasad is back to fight on.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 10:27 am

This is not quite a twin spin attack pitch. Think Kohli should bring back Yadav or Ishant from one end and continue with Mishra for a while.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 10:29 am

Yadav back on and troubles Herath right away. But importantly for Lanka, he's still there, closing in on his 50.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 10:30 am

Another half chance, a very difficult one that is , goes down and yet again it is KL Rahul.......

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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 11:20 am

So the last 4 wickets added 154 for Sri Lanka after the first 6 put together 47. Still, a lead of 111 isn't a bad one. Hopefully the batsmen will get their act together in the 2nd innings. The first innings the only top order batsman who made a meaningful contribution was the unwanted Pujara.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 11:24 am

Will Dhamika Prasad come out and bowl? He looked very uncomfortable while batting though he managed to smash an entertaining 27. He has been Lanka's best bowler in this game and if he can't bowl, that will be a huge blow for them

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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 11:33 am

Prasad comes out to bowl and takes out Pujara with an absolute ripper! So he carried his bat in the first innings and then gets a duck in the next innings, does Pujara.......

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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 11:36 am

Rohit Sharma's chance to make a statement now, he has to produce something to justify his place in the side and this innings is shaping up to be his opportunity....... But its Rahane and Rahul with the responsibility of building a platform now.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 11:37 am

Prasad by the way is becoming the next first over specialist after Graeme Swann!. Perhaps Angelo should bowl him in one over spells!.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 11:37 am

well lankan lower order put up some fight...once the ball lost hardness ...semaers were less effective and spinners do not have as muhc in the pitch.

Lanka's 200 is a bit below par and in totality a good effort by India.

inspite of Puajra loss...the game is in our control for now.
bat until tea tomm and declare with a lead of 400+

but if we were to collapse for a 150-200.....then its still chasable by Lanka..so defeat not completely out of equation for India
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Post by KP_fan on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 11:57 am

India CHOKING
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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 12:13 pm

Rain, and India won't mind at all!

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 5:55 pm

a break was good...will allow India to regroup and come out more decisive
India need to bat two sessions to feel in complete control...and all 4 specialist batters and Mishra, ashwin have contribute.....

assuming rain keeps away
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 7:02 pm

KP_fan wrote:Binny.....he has shown he can bring value........and if they persist with him he will deliver with the  bats also.....with end up averaging 35 with the bat over 25 odd tests.


kpf Seems you are quite hopeful with this so called management quota in the team.

And again if we have to wait for some couple of years to see him performing like we did in ODI for Rohit, we are digging grounds.

First test was surely a blunder with Kohli knowing not, how to proceed the initial success, and that is being exposed here too in the second innings.
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 7:09 pm

It was a brilliant day from viewers point of view. India lost the grip they had and Sri Lanka can feel their hope of being back in the game. Its time for Rohit to show his abilities to counter his position which is under threat with pujara 100.

Day 4 will bring a lot of this match. A target beyond 330, is what India will be looking for and SL need to restrict India below 150 to have a ray of hope in the game.

Result is sure if rain allowed the game to go till last moment.
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Post by KP_fan on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 7:47 pm

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:Binny.....he has shown he can bring value........and if they persist with him he will deliver with the  bats also.....with end up averaging 35 with the bat over 25 odd tests.


kpf Seems you are quite hopeful with this so called management quota in the team.

And again if we have to wait for some couple of years to see him performing like we did in ODI for Rohit, we are digging grounds.

First test was surely a blunder with Kohli knowing not, how to proceed the initial success, and that is being exposed here too in the second innings.  


he has done well in ODIs and T20s

in FC circuit he is the top allrounder for many season in a very strong group and has performed in highly competitive Ranji semis, finals and Irani games

he has picked wickets in every inning of the series that Binny has bowled in.....and I trust my judgement over the years.....he is a good batsman capable of delivering 35ish with the bat
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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 8:01 pm

An average of 35 would do just about fine if he can consistenly bowl 15 overs a day and pick up at least 3 wickets per game. Binny in FC cricket averages around 1.5 wickets a game.
Anyways, tomorrow is the opportunity for Rohit and Binny. Can Rohit deliver for ones, when the team really need hi m to? If he manages to do that, I won't mind him being the 6th batsman in the side against SA. These lot are struggling massively against the Lankan bowling, going in with only 5 would be disaster against Steyn and co. Hope Rohit can play a meaningful innings tomorrow. And Binny and Ojha and Ashwin and Mishra, and of course Captain Kohli. Another batting collapse tomorrow morning, we will be done and the series would be gone. India need to score at least 200 in the 2nd innigs. But at 21-3 with both Pujara and Rahane gone, that seems very far away at the moment.
Think its even chances for both sides now.
What a performance from Dhamika Prasad. Bowled brilliantly in the first innings even when he wasn't fully fit, then got hit first ball when he batted, came back in and smashed it around though in obvious discomfort, and then he came out and bowled brilliantly yet again in the 2nd innings!. Since the England series, he has clearly been their best seamer.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 8:54 pm

msp83 wrote:An average of 35 would do just about fine if he can consistenly bowl 15 overs a day and pick up at least 3 wickets per game.

which world do you live in ?

even the great Kapil Dev in the second half of his career since 1984( aged less than 30 still) or the last 70 odd tests...barely averaged 2.5 wickets per test at an average of 33

and India's Lead bolwer Ishant averaged under 2 wickets at an average of 40 odd for his first 50 tests

and you want Binny to give you 3 wickets per test??

1 wicket per test is a reasonable expectation......and actually a batting average of 35+ is what we should seek from him
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Post by msp83 on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 9:13 pm

Kapil Dev was really poor in the last couple of years of his career, and from the beginning of 90s his record was so average. But he had the stature to stay on in the side because of his past record.
Averaging 1 wicket per test with a batting average of around 35 would work only if we have an Australia like bowling unit which we don't have. And the batting unit too is struggling, and the wicketkeeper batsman option too would be someone who would be averaging early 30ish if they go in with Ojha or Saha. Lets not forget that none of our top 5 options averages 50 in test cricket at the moment, and the one with the best average, Pujara is not liked by the management.
So get real, Binny has to be good at 1 department at least, he can't be less than average in both and then stay in the current side with the way it is structure.
He has to at least be good enough to average close to 40 with the bat and then be a regular enough bowling option.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 30 Aug 2015, 9:46 pm

msp83 wrote:Kapil Dev was really poor in the last couple of years of his career,

msp..read again....kapil averaged 2.5 wkts for the last 10 years of his career ( out of a total of 16 years)
and Ishant averaged 2 wkts for 50 tests.


Averaging 1 wicket per test with a batting average of around 35 would work only if we have an Australia like bowling unit which we don't have. And the batting unit too is struggling,

if we want a seam bowler who can bat...1 wkt per test and average 35 is best what we can get.

It would be nice to have a Bravo, Rusell, Woakes, Stokes....but we've got what we have got Wink

and the wicketkeeper batsman option too would be someone who would be averaging early 30ish if they go in with Ojha or Saha. Lets not forget that none of our top 5 options averages 50 in test cricket at the moment, and the one with the best average, Pujara is not liked by the management.
So get real, Binny has to be good at 1 department at least, he can't be less than average in both and then stay in the current side with the way it is structure.
He has to at least be good enough to average close to 40 with the bat and then be a regular enough bowling option.

gone are the days of averaging 50 batsmen.......40 to 45 will hold the place.....we have batted well in Aus and now in Lanka...wicket taking bowlers is what we need.
if having an averaging 35 batsman can give you 1-2 wkts / test on his own...and keep the remaining 4 bowlers fresher and hence more potent than that's a bargain for whihc the team management is willing to give up 5 to 10 runs more that a pure batsman could give insteda of the bolwing allrounder.

and especially if Mishra and Ashwin are able to deliver an average of 25 runs with the bat.....then they are giving you about 20 to 30 runs more...than average number numbers 8 +9 would give


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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Mon 31 Aug 2015, 4:59 am

KP_fan wrote:
msp83 wrote:An average of 35 would do just about fine if he can consistenly bowl 15 overs a day and pick up at least 3 wickets per game.

which world do you live in ?

even the great Kapil Dev in the second half of his career since 1984( aged less than 30 still) or the last 70 odd tests...barely averaged 2.5 wickets per test at an average of 33

and India's Lead bolwer Ishant averaged under 2 wickets at an average of 40 odd for his first 50 tests

and you want Binny to give you 3 wickets per test??

1 wicket per test is a reasonable expectation......and actually a batting average of 35+ is what we should seek from him

Comparing with Kapil, I would like to remind you that Kapil on many occasion has proved his batting abilities, not to forget the tied Chennai test match. Kapil though was an all rounder but he never go on bowling as a part timer as Binny used to do. Again India never had a quality seam bowler since the start and if you want to compare him with regular bowlers he nowhere stand, be it speed or movement. He will never put a mark if he go on playing against English, SA, or Australian side.

Looking at his wicket taking abilities in Sri Lanka, Sri Lankans are not at their best in the absence of their quality batsmen who have retired in couple of years. So if he is taking a wicket or two in SL its beacuse of the loss of momentum of SL batsmen created by other Indian seamers. He has never bowled a spell that would create problems for opposition, neither in internal tournament nor in International innings. Look at his 3 test matches he played in England you will find how good he is with the bowl when you get a better reply from quality batsmen.

Again looking at his Batting abilities, Indian team at current position need a strong run scoring number 6 if they want to be competitive for the touring SAns. Binny on the other side has not supported his team on occasion of need. Well yeah he has one fifty in England but that doesn't make him a batsmen to fit in number 6.

kpf his batting average of 35 in India, where even Sir Ravinder Jadeja has 3 triple centuries is well below par to be selected as a batsmen to play at number 6. I would go with Ishwar pandey above Binny, who has a bowling average around 26 which is more than what Indian bowlers have managed at International level, knowing Ishwar is not good with the bat.

msp truly said that he may fits where we have a pace attack like that of Australian where they can use a part timer to rest his main bowlers. I don't want him to be compared to any allrounder in the world playing currently because it would be an insult to them.

He is in the team because of his father who has booked a management quota seat for him in the team.
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Mon 31 Aug 2015, 5:18 am

India's record outside subcontinent is not good in the couple of years, but look at the side from 2000-2009 and compare number 6 with Binny. We want Indian team to improve and not to be the same as it was in the last 5 years.

kpf your `support of binny in the team will led to another winless go in test outside asia. All we need to move this management quota out and replace him with some quality batsmen.
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Post by msp83 on Mon 31 Aug 2015, 6:33 am

Yet again, Kohli edges to slip of an unnecessary defensive shot outside off stump.
Virat really needs to do something about this....... Otherwise, he would have many England like series when the ball moves around. Bounce is no issue for him, pace doesn't trouble him, but this away movement can, that too playing nothing shots even against military medium bowlers.......

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Post by msp83 on Mon 31 Aug 2015, 6:34 am

Rohit and Binny, 2 men with with everything to prove, are together in the middle. Rohit is actually playing well! He's moved on to 42, and of all the batsman in the 2nd innings so far, he looked most comfortable.
At 77-4, India lead by 188.

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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Mon 31 Aug 2015, 7:12 am

100 more from here will allow India to think they are on the driving seat. Rohit has played brilliantly for his 50 cementing his place for selection further. Its good to see India has 7-8 run scoring batsmen who can counter the South Africans attack later this year.
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Post by msp83 on Mon 31 Aug 2015, 7:16 am

My goodness! Rohit is such a stupid useless clown. Just when he was looking very good, just when it seemed like he would be able to take India to safety, just when he looked set for a big, decisive innings, the idiot has thrown it all away, yet again with a reckless shot, yet again at the stroke of lunch! Pathetic, really really pathetic!

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Post by msp83 on Mon 31 Aug 2015, 7:42 am

So at lunch, India are 132-5. Binny on 38, Naman Ojha on 11. They lead by 243.
India would hope to bat for most of the next session and add another 100 more to feel comfortable

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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Mon 31 Aug 2015, 7:44 am

243 at lunch with 5 more to go. India has handled the pressure of collapse but are not too away from this. A 60 more run will ease the mind but nothing can be said about Sri Lankans. I hope 80 + from here will be fair enough.
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Post by msp83 on Mon 31 Aug 2015, 7:46 am

The best case scenario would be these 2 batsmen doing most of the job. But India would be hoping Ashwin and Mishra would also chip in if needed.
But Sri Lanka would be hoping for an early wicket after lunch that can set the tone for them. If they manage to restrict the lead under 300, they would pretty much be in the game.

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Post by KP_fan on Mon 31 Aug 2015, 8:26 am

--India scrapping away to a position of strength...not comprehensive and strong...but using up to the last resources to just about get in a winning position.

unlike teams of past that had 5 or 6 superstars in Dhoni, Drvaid, Ganguls, Tendulkar, VVSL, Sehwag and Gambhir...

This team has probably one star......but every one of the 11 pulling his weight...inpsite of 3 first choice players injured

The two who didn't look like like cutting it were dumped quickly ie Aaron and Bhajji

--Rohit has played 4 good innings in a row and probably the highest scorer for India in this series.

Binny proving his utility yet again..this time with the bat

No one is comparing him to Kapil...but he's what we've got as an allrounder in the country and lends balance to the way shastri / kohli play tests

--and this is no sub-continent pitch......its green and seaming....and should India win this after losing the toss it would be a big credit.

team has shown...that if your bowling is potent ie, you can pick 20 wickets...then you don't need 500 runs on the board...scrapping away to totals of 300ish are enough


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Post by KP_fan on Mon 31 Aug 2015, 8:33 am

And Ojha is a better batsman than saha....thouhg Saha made a couple of game changing 50s. It will lead to a healthy competition for places

Majrekar and Akaash chopra and Gavsakar so apologetically defensive minded.....chicken shyte scared...of something in the game situation all the time.

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Post by KP_fan on Mon 31 Aug 2015, 8:47 am

Mishra sent ahead of Ashwin.....good move to send a message to ashwin.
Hope this will sting ashwin and he can deliver a 20 odd ateast.

Mishra is India's man of Series so far

lanka should have played chameera for the off spinner
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Post by KP_fan on Mon 31 Aug 2015, 10:25 am

and look at it.....Dhoni didn't know how to use a guy like Mishra...who bowl bamboozling spells and score handy runs.
bear in mind the last test that Mishra played before his recall now...he had a 200 run partnership with Tendulkar in Eng..scoring 90 odd and picked 3 wickets in an inning...expensive wickets but that was the defensive outside leg stump line captain had asked him to bowl.

And then he got dumped.......captain kept him out for no cricketing reasons...and to accommodate his personal preferences and comforts
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Mon 31 Aug 2015, 11:14 am

KP_fan wrote:and look at it.....Dhoni didn't know how to use a guy like Mishra...who bowl bamboozling spells and score handy runs.
bear in mind the last test that Mishra played before his recall now...he had a 200 run partnership with Tendulkar in Eng..scoring 90 odd and picked 3 wickets in an inning...expensive wickets but that was the defensive outside leg stump line captain had asked him to bowl.

And then he got dumped.......captain kept him out for no cricketing reasons...and to accommodate his personal preferences and comforts

kpf don't you think you are being too critical. You never know when your lower order start performing. They don't have a fixed position of scoring. For India's level cricket India never relied on lower order to score runs, and when they did it was blessing.

Regarding your last statement the answer is same, why Pujara was dumped for no reasons. Its all depends on the plans of the captain.
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Post by KP_fan on Mon 31 Aug 2015, 11:29 am

subhranshu wrote:kpf don't you think you are being too critical. You never know when your lower order start performing. They don't have a fixed position of scoring. For India's level cricket India never relied on lower order to score runs, and when they did it was blessing.

Regarding your last statement the answer is same, why Pujara was dumped for no reasons. Its all depends on the plans of the captain.

I am even not as critical as Dhoni's test match result and his damage to our test cricket warrant.

there is diffrence between Mishra and Pujara......Mishra was dumped, no reasons given, and kept out in his peak years for a good 4 years.

Pujara was dumped, reason given, kept in the squad with no personal malice to him...and played again in the 11 as soon as opportunity presented itself after about 4 tests.

one is putting personal pride/ ego/hubris/ agenda.......first

and the other one is putting team interest based on cricketing judgement......one can debate the judgement...but not the intent in this case


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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Mon 31 Aug 2015, 11:30 am

386 looks pretty well from here. There was a bit of clash at the end but that is normal.

SL has never chased beyond 352 and that was long ago.
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Post by KP_fan on Mon 31 Aug 2015, 11:38 am

given the way India has bowled throughout this series......200 is what I think Lanka can get here......and game should be well over before tea tomm, but for rains
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