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Post by KP_fan on Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:51 am

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It's a high quality series and the Indian side...here... batting and spin department could well be a full strength test side on it's own.
The Aussie side matching the strength of Indians, with high quality pacers.

India bats first and Pujara misses a great opportunity to put a very big total and seal a spot for himself.

KL Rahul going strong......I would so love him to make it big and hold on to his test spot...he is a "Lambi race ka Ghoda"


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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:42 am

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subhranshu wrote:kpf don't you think you are being too critical. You never know when your lower order start performing. They don't have a fixed position of scoring. For India's level cricket India never relied on lower order to score runs, and when they did it was blessing.

Regarding your last statement the answer is same, why Pujara was dumped for no reasons. Its all depends on the plans of the captain.

I am as critical as Dhoni's result warrant

there is diffrence between Mishra and Pujara......Mishra was dumped, no reasons given, and kept out in his peak years for a good 4 years.

Pujara was dumped, reason given, kept in the squad with no personal malice to him...and played again in the 11 as soon as opportunity presented itself.


That was not an opportunity, As per Shastri/Kohli he was just filling the gap created by injured players and they give constant opportunity to underperforming Rohit. There were no reasons of Playing Pujara ahead of Rohit but Shastri's Mumbai love led a good talent to sit on the bench.
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Post by KP_fan on Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:18 am

3 down now...ishant and yadav bowling fast, straight, moving it well and mixing it with good short ones.....

wtf is Rahane not at slips...and wtf is Rahul there when he drops one out of every two catches sent to him
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Post by KP_fan on Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:12 am

clearly India's day....a bit of counter attcak from matthews / Silva in the end.

We need to bowl tight and pluck out Matthews in the first half hour tomm.
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:57 am

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/915851.html

Mukul exactly mentioned the discrimination that Pujara faced. Shastri/Kohli are playing politics.
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Post by msp83 on Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:03 pm

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subhranshu wrote:kpf don't you think you are being too critical. You never know when your lower order start performing. They don't have a fixed position of scoring. For India's level cricket India never relied on lower order to score runs, and when they did it was blessing.

Regarding your last statement the answer is same, why Pujara was dumped for no reasons. Its all depends on the plans of the captain.

I am even not as critical as Dhoni's test match result and his damage to our test cricket warrant.

there is diffrence between Mishra and Pujara......Mishra was dumped, no reasons given, and kept out in his peak years for a good 4 years.

Pujara was dumped, reason given, kept in the squad with no personal malice to him...and played again in the 11 as soon as opportunity presented itself after about 4 tests.

one is putting personal pride/ ego/hubris/ agenda.......first

and the other one is putting team interest based on cricketing judgement......one can debate the judgement...but not the intent in this case
KPF, what exactly was the reason for dumping Pujara for Rohit Sharma? And the way they messed around Ajinkya Rahane to protect the Mumbai Dumbhead? Rohit doesn't average anywhere close to Pujara, if Pujara struggled in England and Australia, Rohit struggled throughout his test career after the first 2 tests against the team ones represented by Walsh and Ambrose!
Mishra was averaging tclse to 40 when he was dumped, like Harbhajan, his batting had become better than his bowling. The spinner who replaced Mishra was a guy named Ravichandran Ashwin, and he has clearly established himself as India's led spinner over the last 4 years though his overseas performances have to improve.
After, they went back to Harbhajan Singh, who was India's led spinner up to the England series and had got injured. Then they moved on to Ravindra Jadeja who helped secure the first ever 4 test series whitewash in India's test history along with Ashwin, and then took a 7for in South Africa and then won a test in England with an all-round display along with Ishant Sharma and Ajinkya Rahane. All throughout, Pragyan Ojha remained the consistent 2nd choice until his action developed issues.
Mishra wasn't turning in performances that would have forced his way back to the side, in fact again, his batting rather than bowling was making more headlines like when he scored a big Ranji ton along with his fellow spinner Jayant Yadav. He bowled well in IPL and got selected for the ODI side when Ashwin was rested, and thus stayed around the larger squad. Now he has worked on specifics of his bowling, particularly his speed through the air, and he is back and doing well. Many called for Mishra for the Australia series, the last under Dhoni and the selectors went for Karn Sharma, whom you consider the new Shane Warne in the making!

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Post by msp83 on Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:09 pm

KP_fan wrote:--India scrapping away to a position of strength...not comprehensive and strong...but using up to the last resources to just about get in a winning position.

unlike teams of past that had 5 or 6 superstars in Dhoni, Drvaid, Ganguls, Tendulkar, VVSL, Sehwag and Gambhir...

This team has probably one star......but every one of the 11 pulling his weight...inpsite of 3 first choice players injured

The two who didn't look like like cutting it were dumped quickly ie Aaron and Bhajji

--Rohit has played 4 good innings in a row and probably the highest scorer for India in this series.

Binny proving his utility yet again..this time with the bat

No one is comparing him to Kapil...but he's what we've got as an allrounder in the country and lends balance to the way shastri / kohli play tests

--and this is no sub-continent pitch......its green and seaming....and should India win this after losing the toss it would be a big credit.

team has shown...that if your bowling is potent ie, you can pick 20 wickets...then you don't need 500 runs on the board...scrapping away to totals of 300ish are enough
If an innings of 26, in the first innings of the side, and when it was ended in the last over before lunch, if that is considered good from a top 5, then nothing more need to be said. Rohit, when he was picked over Pujara for the first 2 tests of this series, scored a total of 126 runs. Pujara scored 145 in a single innings on return. Even he got out for a duck 2nd time round, Rohit's match aggregate of 76 is nearly half of what Pujara managed in a single innings.
If Rohit's selection over Pujara is not political, then nothing is. Yes, Pujara struggled in England and Australia, but then Rohit hasn't done anything better, he was awful in SA and NZ as well. Away record, home record, overall record, temperament and ability, technique, any which way you look at it, Pujara is a better player. Yet Shastri wants his fellow Mumbai man in the team, and Kohli for some trade off, is going in with it. This is the great conspiracy of 2015! It is out and out political. If you have any further doubts, just listen to the Mumbai gang in the commentary box!

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Post by msp83 on Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:18 pm

And on the game at hand, India in front, but Sri Lanka have their 2 best batsmen to deal with the tough situation. India need to separate them quickly in the morning. Rain can be a factor on day 5 as well, so if there is play, then the bowlers will have to make it count.
Ishant Sharma, a player consistently backed by former skipper Mahendra Singh Dhoni even through some tough times, even through some pretty horrendous performances, is now showing some consistency. And he's bowling quickly too, and picking up fights with the opposition and engaging in some Kohli like onfield Drama. We can of course live without the last bit, but this has been good stuff from Ishant, and as a very strong critic of him, I must say he is yet again, starting to give me some hope. Those terrible no-balls are a reminder of how horrible he can be, but for now, think I'll overlook that. Hopefully, he can deliver the side a win tomorrow.

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Post by msp83 on Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:20 pm

And KPF, I agree Naman Ojha does look a better bat than Saha. He has to improve his shot selection, saha is a limited batsman with a strong temperament, Ojha is more natural with the bat, he needs to work on the mental side of his batting, things like shot selection. Can't just say like the clown from Mumbai that this is how I play each time he holds out stupidly at a critical situation in the game.

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Post by msp83 on Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:23 pm

And glad to see the batsman in Ravichandran Ashwin returning. Hope he'll turn up with the ball on the final day and rap things up for the team. The way they were batting, Mishra did deserve the batting promotion and he yet again made it count. But Ashwin at last got his act together and he got the runs he's capable of scoring.

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Post by KP_fan on Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:56 pm

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/915851.html

Mukul exactly mentioned the discrimination that Pujara faced. Shastri/Kohli are playing politics.

Mukul is sour grapes of those who cannot digest ...dhoni era of fixed batting slots , guaranteed positions regardless of results is over.
Pujara was sat out......fire lit under his a.s.s. and then made to open and he produced a matchw winner.
we play cricket not to preserve batting slots or make kingdoms but to win....and we are winning laughing
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Post by KP_fan on Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:00 pm

msp83 wrote:And glad to see the batsman in Ravichandran Ashwin returning. Hope he'll turn up with the ball on the final day and rap things up for the team. The way they were batting, Mishra did deserve the batting promotion and he yet again made it count. But Ashwin at last got his act together and he got the runs he's capable of scoring.

as i wrote even before ashwin came out that the implicit message of demoting ashwin should sting him.....kohli is delivering messages to all...."there are no batting positions cast in stone"
form and team interests are prime OK
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Post by msp83 on Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:10 pm

Form and Team interests, how do they matter v the Rohit Sharma political selection?

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Post by msp83 on Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:12 pm

There is only one position guaranteed in this side, and that's not even that of Kohli! It is for Mr Tallented!

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Post by KP_fan on Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:36 pm

msp83 wrote:Form and Team interests, how do they matter v the Rohit Sharma political selection?


i won't have picked him......but Rohit delivered 4 good scores in a row didn't he?
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Post by KP_fan on Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:42 pm

none of these trivial selection matters should take away from the spirited cricket our team is playing....

no great partnerships
no star batsmen scoring big 100s or averaging 55ish
but a classical brick by brick construction......scrapping away to not huge but fighting totals

and then the turned around bowling rips the opposition apart......Indian test match cricket on a huge upswing
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Post by msp83 on Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:35 pm

Rohit's last 4 innings.
79, 34, 26, 50.
A couple of decent scores for a top order bat in there. Since when has 26 first innings runs become the gold standard for assessing the quality of an innings?
And had that been the case, Pujara was on fire in England and Australia, he had scores of 73, 58, 43, 38, 25, 26 and so on throughout the series!

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Post by msp83 on Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:40 pm

And if you thought Rohit was scoring tons after tons previously, you are unfortunately living in Shastri's world, Rohit scored 9, 4 and 6 in the 3 innings prior to the patch of average that he has just found. Of course he has improved from downright mediocre to average. Keeping out a batsman who averages 50 in test for such a player is political, well and truly! Nothing to do with merit, nothing to do with team interest.......


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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:45 am

KP_fan wrote:
.....but Rohit delivered 4 good scores in a row didn't he?

Gavaskar said Pujara need atleast 150 to cement his place and that is not the criterion for Rohit. And according to you 26 or 34 are good scores in Test.

I must say you are not standing as per your words. Records say Pujara was the victim of conspiracy.
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Post by KP_fan on Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:04 am

Pujara was averaging 20 odd for 15 or more innings before was dropped.
I see he was dropped purely on form......but his potential was recognized and was kept in the squad....given a chance when there was opening.

in fact regime has been very transparent and fair to him....
if he was dumped forever, then this would be a conspiracy
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Post by KP_fan on Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:16 am

India WIN
a series win in Lanka after 22 years
overseas series win after 5 years
and a coming from 1-0 down to win a 3 test series for the first time in 15 years

Mishra my MOS


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Post by KP_fan on Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:20 am

End justifies the means...Kohli has been clever, proactive and almost ruthless in his pursuit for wickets when in the field.

got ashwin in with the new ball.....and immediately Mishra from the other end......no emotional baggae, no cliched templates, no guaranteed positions or batting slots, juts an honest and ruthless desire to win.

Only in Ganguly I saw such hunger before.

the evil era is over and India cricket back on right track OK
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Post by msp83 on Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:15 pm

Great win for India! It indeed is a moment to celebrate. The SA series will be very tough, and we can't afford to carry players just because the director loves him and that he's a hero for the commentator gang most of whom are utter clowns! or some such stupid reasons. But those decisions can wait.

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Post by msp83 on Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:18 pm

Credit to Virat Kohli for getting a lot of things right in this series as skipper though he'll have to face the reality on the 5th bowler and Rohit soon. Apart from getting involved with the Mumbai lobby conspiracy for the less than average Rohit Sharma, Kohli's captaincy has been good. His bowling changes have been proactive, and he contributed with the bat in 2 out of the 3 tests. Hopefully he'll do away with that nothing defensive shot that gets him into a lot of trouble, we need Kohli to be on top of his game when Steyn and co turns up.
Ravichandran Ashwin has been brilliant with the ball throughout the series. He has bowled attacking lines and always looked for wickets without overdoing his variations. In fact he bowled more classic offsppin more than anythings and the lines have been attacking. Didn't turn up with the bat in the first 2 tests but played a graceful and significant innings in the last opportunity and then along with Ishant, led the bowling effort in the final innings.
Amit Mishra has had the best series of his career, and has to now get a consistent run in the side, he has earned it through his performance. Mishra was quite handy with the bat, as was the case in his first stint at test level. He has worked on specifics of his bowling and has comeback as an improved bowler. Hopefully he can continue and keep this level of performance up.
Ishant Sharma had an outstanding game with the ball in the final test, but even in the first 2 games he bowled much better than he has often done, and in the final test he even looked like the bowler who terrorized Ricky Ponting in his prime or the bowler who formed such a fine reverse swing partnership with Zaheer Khan when the Australians came touring. Ishant of course didn't reverse it much in this series, but he has been bowling with pace and has been putting his physique to good use. Could have lived without all those onfield drama and now he has got a 1 match ban too, but it has been refreshing to see Ishant bowl like, he needed MS Dhoni to insist that he bowls those bouncers against England earlier, seems that has eventually help him build his confidence for such an aggressive approach to his bowling.
Ajinkya Rahane has been pushed around the batting order to protect the Mumbai Jumble, but Rahane has taken it with grace and produced a crucial hundred at number 3. He looked more at home at 5 and would have provided much greater output there, and now that Pujara is back, think the sensible option would be to put him back in there at 5 and let Pujara resume his responsibilities at 3. Rahane's catching is something that needs to be mentioned.......
Umesh Yadav has looked another improved bowler, and after the England series in 2012, he is reaching his peack levels for the first time. He always bowled with pace, but in this series, after taking over from Varun Aaron, he has managed to mix accuracy and pace and has supported Ishant very well though the number of wickets may not quite justify his level of performance.
Wriddhiman Saha had lots of questionmarks going into the series with both bat and gloves. He didn't have the best of starts behind the stumps, but he improved in that department and scored a couple of fighting half-centuries with the bat. Naman Ojha looks far more natural as a batsman, but they both haven't made a convincing case to have the position nailed down for either of them. Saha's fitness record is a bit of a worry though.

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Post by msp83 on Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:28 pm

Murali Vijay played only one test and started off badly with a first innings duck. But even when not fully fit, he showed why he has to be the default first choice opener with awell paced, well constructed 82 in the 2nd innings.
Shikhar Dhawan scored his 2nd back to back test ton and tried to tough it out in the 2nd innings when everyone else other than Rahane lost the plot around him. Having seen both Dhawan and young KL Rahul in action in this series, think if he's fit, Dhawan should start the SA series. He's a very handy opener in the subcontinent, and Rahul needs a bit more work on his game to refine it for greater consistency.
Cheteshwar Pujara was kept out for Rohit Sharma for the first 2 games, and as the selectors didn't pick an opener as replacement batsman for the final test when both openers got injured, Shastri-Kohli had no option but to pick him. And he let his bat do all the talking even when the likes of the great Sunil Gavaskar were busy reducing themselves to pathetic levels in the commentary box batting for the Mumbai Boy. What an innings it was, on a seaming track, when everyone else in the top order failed. and He carried his bat to set up India's first innings and thus their eventual win. The 2nd innings duck was a reminder of the leveling effects of the game.......
Naman Ojha got an opportunity when Saha got injured. He ept generally well and looked like a batsman with a good range. Needs to work on his shot selection and he has to do It quickly as age is not a factor not quite on his side.

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Post by msp83 on Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:51 pm

Rohit Sharma had all the backing of the team management and got the entire series even when a much better batsman like Cheteshwar Pujara was forced to sit out for him. Rohit started disastrously as a number 3 bat in the first and looked completely out of his depth. So then the team management shielded him, moved him to 5, urging him to get some runs, Rohit improved from downright mediocre to passable by the end of the series, finishing with a series average of 33.6, scoring a couple of half-centuries in the process. There are series technical issues with his batting, and his temperament hasn't quite adjusted to test cricket, but Shastri-Kohli believe he's the next best thing in Indian cricket and backs him in all possible ways. He would certainly be there in the SA series squad, and if he gets to play, hopefully he can justify his spot with proper test batsman like performance.
KL Rahul had luck going against him in Bangladesh, but in Lanka had his fair share of the same. Injuries opened up him a way back to the side, he scored a fine hundred, and then in the tradition of the Australian Shaun Marsh, he went completely missing in the other innings. Took some fine catches, dropped quite a few as well, did a decent job as stand in wicketkeeper. Certainly one for the future, but prhaps he will have to wait for his opportunities when Dhawan returns as Vijay anyways should be an automatic choice.
Stuart Binny was summoned as an emergency replacement. He bowled some economical overs in the test, and when conditions favoried him, looked a semi decent bowler with the new ball. And then he scored 49 in the final innings, his only decent batting contribution in the series. But he hasn't done anything to dispel the doubts about his batting and bowling abilities. His batting, even in that innings of 49, didn't look like that of a top 6 batsman, the first half of his innings was full of edges that didn't go to hand and he just didn't look settled....... The bowling lacks the pace to trouble quality batsmen, and when it doesn't swing, he has nothing about him as a bowler. But as KPF says, if he's the best that we've got, then he has to stay around the squad. But in comparison to Rishi Dhawan who is a proper bowler who bats in the top 6 for his side with a batting average of 40 in FC cricket, I am not sure about Binny. Perhaps young Deepak Hoodda will have a breakthrough First Class season soon and can evolve into the all-rounder we need. Now that Mishra has established himself as a quality 2nd spinner, we may not need a spinning all-rounder, but the best way to put the Sauth Africans down is to go the spin way, and so Ravindra Jadeja, Akshar Patel, Parwez Rasool and Shreyas Gopal should all be in the scheme of things for that all-rounder slot.

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Post by msp83 on Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:22 pm

While Binny, Rahul and Rohit had average series, Harbhajan Singh, who was selected for the test squad based some some IPL BS was very quickly exposed and thankfully they gave up on the experiment very quickly. Varun Aaron too had a forgettable test and was all over the place. 3 years after his India selection, Aaron continues to have only pace and not much else. Still could develop into a useful bowler, but he needs to work on the finer aspects of his bowling.
Bhuvneshwar Kumar can consider himself a bit unlucky for not getting selected ahead of Binny. Binny might be marginally better with the bat, but Bhuvi is a far superior bowler. His new ball bowling was handy in the Australia whitewash at home it should be remembered.

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Post by KP_fan on Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:28 pm

msp83 wrote:Great win for India! It indeed is a moment to celebrate. The SA series will be very tough, and we can't afford to carry players just because the director loves him and that he's a hero for the commentator gang most of whom are utter clowns! or some such stupid reasons. But those decisions can wait.

Kohli and Shastri delivered and their backed guy also played 4 good innings in a row.

and what a game for Binny too....playing the role with the bat in crucial second inning and with the ball in both innings clap
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Post by KP_fan on Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:39 pm

msp...enjoy....give credit where due..... ......don't sound grumbly or grudging.......do not hold back the plaudits....
it's YOUR team that won and made history Hug
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:06 pm

msp, this is a good and fair review.

Indian team looked like they want win, but again I must remind that while we are on winning streak, we often over look the shortcomings. The next series is with SA, who have Amla, ABD, FDP as top quality batsmen who can any time turn the table around and with a pace attack led by Steyn they are even more fierce.

Kohli-Shastri were backing their five bowler strategy, well it was good here in SL where wicket was competitive and the team was not of that level, that they used to be. India will surely go with two spinner and two pacer with one all rounder. Hopefully this allrounder will be the so called management quota 'Binny'. Binny though showed some resistance but as msp said his inning never looked like a well steeled Test inning and facing the likes of Steyn, Morkel will be difficult. Kohli has given him the number 6 position and imo this should be given to those who can face troubles with patience. This series shows that Batsmen are performing but partly and in One by One manner. But if that happened against SA then surely this will create problems.
KL Rahul is a decent player but he has to maintain the momentum. The way he got out in both the innings, he need to work on the bowls that are coming in from outside the off stumps. Rahane, Kohli and Pujara have scores runs against SA in their den. I don't think task will be difficult for them if they play at their natural position. So number 3,4,5 are occupied.

Again if some conspiracy took place Rohit will play instead of Pujara, but then they will shift Rahane to number 3 and that would be costly, bot because of Rahane but due to Rohit, who so far has not played any inning that will prove his long batting skills. The way he threw his wicket in the last inning is an example.

If pujara is in the XI, think who will stick to number 6. According to Shastri Binny is the first choice, but I think they shoukd go one more batsman. I will back Rahul there instead of Rohit. Rahul has abilities to deal with the old bowl and he can judge the new ball attack if he get in to bat after coming of the second new ball.


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Re: India-A unofficial tests & tour of Lanka

Post by msp83 on Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:23 pm

KPF, you have been going on about the 4 good innings for quite some time now, Let me repeat Rohit's last 4 innings. 79, 34, 26, 50!. What are you going about my friend? 26, 34? Can still understand the 34 as he did build a bit of a partnership in quick time with Rahane when they needed quick runs so I'd call it decent, but that innings of 26? And that too when he got out the over before lunch playing a nothing shot? In the first innings of the test when the side was already 3 down? Please!! So in comparison to that good innings of 26, how would you describe Pujara's bat carrying effort of 145? Why is it that Rohit's runs are always tripled? So if he scores 50 its as good as 150, if he scores 20 that is as good as a half-century, if he somehow end up sscoring a 3rd test tone, that should be his pass to the side for the next 5 years even if he wouldn't be able to buy a run throughout that period!!!
And by the way, did you watch Binny's innings of 49?

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Post by KP_fan on Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:27 pm

shubhranshu wrote:The next series is with SA, who have Amla, ABD, FDP as top quality batsmen who can any time turn the table around and with a pace attack led by Steyn they are even more fierce.


you must be kidding
SA is far less a threat in spinning conditions than Lanka
they do not have spinners anywhere close to the quality of Herath and Thurunda
nor do they have batsmen who can play spin as well as Lankans do

at best 4-0 and at worst 3-1 will be the score line.

Pujara can't be dropped after this inning.

Binny the allrounder whose job is to bowl 12 overs per day will make way for Rohit the allrounder who is adequately suited to bowl 12 over of spin on Indian tracks.

shastri and Kohli talk ...but are not stupid in their own interest Smile
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Re: India-A unofficial tests & tour of Lanka

Post by KP_fan on Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:30 pm

msp83 wrote:KPF, you have been going on about the 4 good innings for quite some time now, Let me repeat Rohit's last 4 innings. 79, 34, 26, 50!. What are you going about my friend? 26, 34? Can still understand the 34 as he did build a bit of a partnership in quick time with Rahane when they needed quick runs so I'd call it decent, but that innings of 26? And that too when he got out the over before lunch playing a nothing shot? In the first innings of the test when the side was already 3 down? Please!! So in comparison to that good innings of 26, how would you describe Pujara's bat carrying effort of 145? Why is it that Rohit's runs are always tripled? So if he scores 50 its as good as 150, if he scores 20 that is as good as a half-century, if he somehow end up sscoring a 3rd test tone, that should be his pass to the side for the next 5 years even if he wouldn't be able to buy a run throughout that period!!!
And by the way, did you watch Binny's innings of 49?

in the conditions 26 was OK
Binny inning was good......given the pitch and match conditions.

Pujara's was a sublime inning......carrying the bat throuhg on a seaming pitch and dfficult match conditions.........it can be compared to Dravid's 148 at Headingley in 2002
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Re: India-A unofficial tests & tour of Lanka

Post by KP_fan on Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:36 pm

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Re: India-A unofficial tests & tour of Lanka

Post by msp83 on Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:41 pm

And what are the odds that Shastri's posterboy will be played come what may since even 26 is as good as a ton for him, Kohli will get his all-rounder and Pujara will be dropped for the next test? I fear the odds are uncomfortably high.......

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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:43 pm

KP_fan wrote:
shubhranshu wrote:The next series is with SA, who have Amla, ABD, FDP as top quality batsmen who can any time turn the table around and with a pace attack led by Steyn they are even more fierce.


you must be kidding
SA is far less a threat in spinning conditions than Lanka
they do not have spinners anywhere close to the quality of Herath and Thurunda
nor do they have batsmen who can play spin as well as Lankans do

at best 4-0 and at worst 3-1 will be the score line.


I think if you made this statement knowing SA previous tours, then you must be kidding.
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Re: India-A unofficial tests & tour of Lanka

Post by msp83 on Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:51 pm

AB de Villiers is the greatest batsman of this generation. He has the makings of an alltime great already. Pace or spin, it doesn't bother him, in fact some of his best innings have come in spinning conditions.
Hashim Amla is one of the top batsmen of his era. And he is a very good player of spin, and his record in India is absolutely outstanding.
Current Sri Lanka has no one in AB's league, for that matter even Hashim's not even Angelo Mathews.
Imran Tahir or Simon Harmer are not in Herath's league even though the veteran is not the same force that he ones was. But then there is Dale Steyn, and his spells in India are the stuff of legend. Vernon Philander can be very effective with the new ball, and Morne Morkel is better than any of the Lankan seamers.
Hopefully there would be result oriented spinning tracks rather than flat ones, because on flat tracks SA will just brush us aside!. If we can get pass AB and Amla, the rest of the SA lineup is suspect against spin, Ashwin, Mishra, and then bring in Jadeja or Akshar, or another accurate spinner then we will have a chance.

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Post by KP_fan on Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:14 pm

msp83 wrote:And what are the odds that Shastri's posterboy will be played come what may since even 26 is as good as a ton for him, Kohli will get his all-rounder and Pujara will be dropped for the next test? I fear the odds are uncomfortably high.......

I already said it before....., shastri /kohli are not stupid in their own interest.
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Re: India-A unofficial tests & tour of Lanka

Post by KP_fan on Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:16 pm

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
shubhranshu wrote:The next series is with SA, who have Amla, ABD, FDP as top quality batsmen who can any time turn the table around and with a pace attack led by Steyn they are even more fierce.


you must be kidding
SA is far less a threat in spinning conditions than Lanka
they do not have spinners anywhere close to the quality of Herath and Thurunda
nor do they have batsmen who can play spin as well as Lankans do

at best 4-0 and at worst 3-1 will be the score line.


I think if you made this statement knowing SA previous tours, then you must be kidding.

My friend previous tours SA was a different side, Smith , Kallis and a few others that they do not have now..
even BD on slow spinning pitches won sessions and harbored hopes of test match winning situations recently in two tests vs SA....not that they would have won IMO
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Re: India-A unofficial tests & tour of Lanka

Post by msp83 on Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:23 pm

Of course will be badly missed, he was impossible to get out on even spinning tracks!. Biff wasn't a great player of spin, but through sheer bloodmindedness, he could get by....... Think Faf would be good enough to play spin well enough. Elgar, the other opener, Duminy, they'll have a few things to prove. Quinton de Kock scored a ton against India A recently, whether he'll be able to retain his place in the side remains to be seen though as he's been going through quite a rough patch with the bat at the top level of late.
But first, we'll have to get pass AB and Amla, that's going to be the big challenge, and then dealing with the Steyn Force

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Post by KP_fan on Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:35 pm

msp83 wrote:Of course will be badly missed, he was impossible to get out on even spinning tracks!. Biff wasn't a great player of spin, but through sheer bloodmindedness, he could get by....... Think Faf would be good enough to play spin well enough. Elgar, the other opener, Duminy, they'll have a few things to prove. Quinton de Kock scored a ton against India A recently, whether he'll be able to retain his place in the side remains to be seen though as he's been going through quite a rough patch with the bat at the top level of late.
But first, we'll have to get pass AB and Amla, that's going to be the big challenge, and then dealing with the Steyn Force

you are completely discounting captaincy.
Smith as you said was bloody minded...while that trait, defined him as a batsman.....the same quality made him a top class captain...and under his leadership SA a top side.
and when you remove Kallis.....you take out 30% of a side's strength.

Now they have Amla as a captain...not bad...but no where close to Smith.
Then we had a one trick pony....dhoni.....now we have a far superior captaincy mind in Kohli ably backed by shastri
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Post by msp83 on Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:11 pm

They have AB and Steyn!, KPF, and don't discount Tahir and Harmer, our lads couldn't even play Moeen Ali properly!

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Post by KP_fan on Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:42 pm

msp83 wrote:They have AB and Steyn!, KPF, and don't discount Tahir and Harmer, our lads couldn't even play Moeen Ali properly!

but they did overcome Herath and silva well......barring one sttuter in a 2 hour horror session

those days under defensive confused dhoni were diffrent......Harmer/ Tahir hold no threat
Steyn is a threat....but our batting is good...we scored runs off him even in SA.

ABDV is too frivolous....he will play one or two good innings but as you saw Matthews's two hundreds and runs in every inning also didn't matter.

all out 11 are performing and pulling their weights.

My call 3-1 worst case
4.0 best case
barring rain affected draws
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Post by KP_fan on Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:48 pm

BCCI president on Tuesday hailed India's new Test captain Virat Kohli's leadership after the team's historic triumph in Sri Lanka, where the Indian team won a Test series after 22 years.
India won the third and decisive Test at the Sinhalese Sports Club by 117 runs to script a terrific comeback after losing the first Test at Galle and making at 1-1 at the P Sara Oval.
BCCI President, Jagmohan Dalmiya congratulated the team for re-writing history with India's 16th Test series win away from home and only second in Sri Lanka.
"On behalf of everyone in Indian cricket I would like to congratulate the Indian Cricket Team on their 2-1 Test series win in Sri Lanka. The magnitude of this brilliant win can be ascertained by the fact that the series win in Sri Lanka has come after 22 years. The team and management have made their way in the cricketing history books," Dalmiya said in a press release.
"I also congratulate Mr. Virat Kohli for this victory. Mr. Kohli has been exceptional in his role as captain of the Indian cricket team. He is doing an excellent job in building a new team and leading from the front," added Dalmiya.
The Honorary Secretary of the BCCI, Mr. Anurag Thakur also joined Dalmiya in praising Kohli and India's magnificent win.
"My hearty congratulations to the Indian Cricket team on the Test series win in Sri Lanka. A special kudos to Mr. Virat Kohli on winning his first series as India's Test captain and I hope this is the first of many for the captain and his young team. The boys can be very proud of what they have achieved and I am confident they will now strive for doing it on a consistent basis.
"The challenge for us is to create sustained success and to ensure that Team India's performances keep on improving in the upcoming season. We believe we are putting in place the foundations to move in the right direction. We are committed to doing everything we can to achieve continuous improvement," the board secretary added.
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Post by KP_fan on Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:50 pm

dhoni should negotiate a 3 ODI farewell package Wink
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Post by KP_fan on Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:32 am

http://www.espncricinfo.com/srilanka/content/story/916629.html

kaushal reported for illegal action....he looked dubious....quite a bit like Muralitharan
It's a shame though....Murali was quite a lot worse and yet got away
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Post by msp83 on Wed Sep 02, 2015 11:31 am

Pujara, Vijay, Kohli and Rahane scored runs against Steyn in SA. Shasthri's boy was a walking wicket, Shikhar Dhawan also struggled. Steyn troubled the best of them in India, Tendulkar, Dravid, VVS and Sehwag remember! He's one of the alltime greats already, so is AB. Unlike Angelo, AB will have support from Amla, so don't expect SA to fold quickly, I have a feeling even Faf will be up for the spin challenge. So batting well and batting big will be important, and so think they'll need may be 6 batsmen, or a proper all-rounder, even though a spinner for that matter. Hopefully Gopal, Rasool, Jadeja and Akshar will have good starts to the Ranji season, and Shastri-Kohli act with basic common sense in the Rohit/Pujara situation and set their personal agenda aside.

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Post by KP_fan on Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:02 am

msp83 wrote:Pujara, Vijay, Kohli and Rahane scored runs against Steyn in SA. Shasthri's boy was a walking wicket, Shikhar Dhawan also struggled. Steyn troubled the best of them in India, Tendulkar, Dravid, VVS and Sehwag remember! He's one of the alltime greats already, so is AB. Unlike Angelo, AB will have support from Amla, so don't expect SA to fold quickly, I have a feeling even Faf will be up for the spin challenge. So batting well and batting big will be important, and so think they'll need may be 6 batsmen, or a proper all-rounder, even though a spinner for that matter. Hopefully Gopal, Rasool, Jadeja and Akshar will have good starts to the Ranji season, and Shastri-Kohli act with basic common sense in the Rohit/Pujara situation and set their personal agenda aside.

1) is the series in SA or in India?

2)do you expect Indian batsmen who struggled against Steyn on SA pitches to be as uncomfortable on Indian pitches ?

3) I hear you say that SA will bat better than Lanka?
I believe on spinning pitches against 2 or possibly 3 Indian spinners, SA batsmen will be even less competent than the Lankans
Amla is the only one who has the technique and temperament to play long innings.....but we saw oen Matthews playing long innings wasn't sufficient.

ABDV is too frivolous......he will make attractive 50s and 70s . Rest have barely any experience in India on real turning dustbowls

4-0
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Post by msp83 on Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:33 am

AB's highest score against India in India is a small matter of 217 not out!
If Tendulkar, Dravid and VVS could struggle against Steyn in India, we don't even need to talk about mediocre batsmen like Rohit Sharma!
Sri Lankan batting has been struggling of late. Yasir Shah only needed to have the ball in hands to rip through the Lankan lineup in the recent series. Players like Thirimanne, who like Rohit is persisted with for no good reason, has been averaging in the 20s for more than a year. In comparison, the likes of Faf are established players. He has had a good IPL record too!!! I fully expect SA to bat much, much better than the Lankans did.

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