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Post by GPB on Mon 03 Aug 2015, 12:35 am

First topic message reminder :

I think it is time for an update and new thread.  The OWGR Top 100 should all be invited to play the PGA Championship tomorrow.

Nice playing from Troy Merritt for winning the Quicken Loans to get an 11th invite to B-Stone.  Also Marc Warren got a 11th hour invite for his 4th place finish in Scotland.

Kiradech Aphibarnrat did not get an invite for winning the Paul Lawrie Match Play but is 14th in the Int'l Prez Cup standings.

This is what the top 100 should look like tomorrow morning

 
 
1Rory McIlroy12.485
2Jordan Spieth11.415
3Bubba Watson7.541
4Jason Day6.916
5Rickie Fowler6.674
6Jim Furyk6.578
7Dustin Johnson6.551
8Justin Rose6.422
9Henrik Stenson6.069
10Sergio Garcia5.614
11Adam Scott5.192
12Zach Johnson4.975
13Louis Oosthuizen4.960
14Jimmy Walker4.765
15Hideki Matsuyama4.298
16Matt Kuchar4.218
17J.B. Holmes4.170
18Patrick Reed4.009
19Martin Kaymer3.822
20Phil Mickelson3.745
21Billy Horschel3.725
22Chris Kirk3.685
23Brooks Koepka3.663
24Danny Willett3.563
25Bernd Wiesberger3.301
26Paul Casey3.194
27Bill Haas3.182
28Branden Grace3.162
29Brandt Snedeker3.105
30Marc Leishman3.104
31Kevin Na3.022
32Ryan Palmer2.970
33Ian Poulter2.945
34Kevin Kisner2.842
35Gary Woodland2.840
36Lee Westwood2.808
37Jamie Donaldson2.780
38Thongchai Jaidee2.771
39Ryan Moore2.662
40Charl Schwartzel2.569
41Victor Dubuisson2.567
42Francesco Molinari2.565
43Charley Hoffman2.563
44Brendon Todd2.550
45Hunter Mahan2.545
46Keegan Bradley2.514
47Webb Simpson2.495
48Shane Lowry2.477
49Marc Warren2.448
50Robert Streb2.431
51Russell Henley2.398
52Anirban Lahiri2.398
53Tommy Fleetwood2.395
54John Senden2.388
55Joost Luiten2.371
56Miguel A Jimenez2.360
57Andy Sullivan2.356
58Byeong Hun An2.338
59David Lingmerth2.294
60Graeme McDowell2.285
61Ben Martin2.281
62Luke Donald2.235
63Steven Bowditch2.206
64Matt Every2.132
65Alexander Levy2.130
66Danny Lee2.127
67Kiradech Aphibarnrat2.092
68George Coetzee2.033
69Cameron Tringale2.006
70Stephen Gallacher1.970
71Scott Piercy1.964
72Matt Jones1.918
73Alexander Noren1.902
74Richie Ramsay1.883
75Brian Harman1.876
76Russell Knox1.862
77Chris Wood1.818
78Pablo Larrazabal1.813
79Soren Kjeldsen1.782
80Tim Clark1.776
81Harris English1.776
82Daniel Berger1.768
83Justin Thomas1.766
84Rafael Cabrera Bello1.762
85James Morrison1.759
86David Howell1.747
87Jason Dufner1.738
88Eddie Pepperell1.725
89Shawn Stefani1.699
90George McNeill1.698
91Graham Delaet1.694
92Kevin Streelman1.673
93Jason Bohn1.670
94Ross Fisher1.669
95Tyrrell Hatton1.668
96Emiliano Grillo1.639
97Morgan Hoffmann1.627
98James Hahn1.623
99Troy Merritt1.618
100Hiroshi Iwata1.616
101Brendan Steele1.612
102Padraig Harrington1.612
103Cameron Smith1.602

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Post by McLaren on Tue 01 Sep 2015, 10:02 am

And what year was that?

2013 when Tiger was easily the worlds best player or 2014 when Rory won 2 majors?
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Post by pedro on Tue 01 Sep 2015, 10:24 am

Maybe not dominant. But Stenson contended in all majors and won the FEC and RTD.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 03 Sep 2015, 1:39 pm

Is this an owgr first?

The owgr "Strength of Field" for this week's Challenge Tour event is 4. One more than for the Moscow stop on the European Tour.


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Post by McLaren on Thu 03 Sep 2015, 3:17 pm

It seems very unfair that the winner in Moscow will get 24 points to Cordon winners 12, given the respective SOF's of 3 and 4.

Although without boosting both events would be worth 7 points to the winner.
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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 03 Sep 2015, 3:37 pm

Quite.
The owgr needs to recalibrate its subsidies for European Tour events; a set limit for Challenge Tour events is compatible with the web.com Tour so wouldn't change that.

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Post by McLaren on Thu 03 Sep 2015, 3:43 pm

I actually think awarding ERV points further down the rankings than 200 would help. It is sort of weird to say that someone in the top 500 of their sport globally isn't good enough to contribute to the rankings.

It is certainly crazy that the event in moscow is being boosted to more than 3 times its true value. (7 to 24). Even if McIlroy and Spieth decided to tee it up in Moscow it would only just make the 24 mark. (They bring 82 + home ranking points, and 24 requires 91)
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Post by pedro on Thu 03 Sep 2015, 11:48 pm

True dat mac. 3 players barely inside the top 200 is farcial. Even Kafelnikov stands a chance of making the cut.

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Post by GPB on Sat 05 Sep 2015, 2:54 pm

72 pts for the D--Bank winner.  The #1 Projections change a little, but not significantly.

Spieth would be #1 next week if players maintain their position after round 1.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 06 Sep 2015, 2:48 pm

A win for KT Kim?
Top Ten for Iwata, now catching a cab for Indiana.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 06 Sep 2015, 2:52 pm

pgatour.com suggests Paul Casey has withdrawn. What's that all about? Anyone know why??

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Post by I'm never wrong on Sun 06 Sep 2015, 3:21 pm

Recurrence of muscle tear injury? Can you rely on the Sunday Express?

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Post by GPB on Mon 07 Sep 2015, 2:31 pm

Lee Slattery cracks the OWGR top 200 with his win in Russia.

Should either Stenson or Fowler win today, they would go to #5, still a well behind #4 Bubba.

Jones and Knox could get into the Top 30.
O'Hair could get into the Top 50. 

International Prez Cup Watch

Danny Lee needs a solo 43rd to keep ahead of Bowditch
Danny Lee needs a Solo 7th or better to pass Jaidee
Matt Jones needs a Two way  T2nd or better to pass Jaidee
Brendon de Jonge needs to win to pass Jaidee.

Matt Jones can pass Danny Lee with a Solo 3rd and Danny Lee finishing worse than 19th.

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Post by GPB on Mon 07 Sep 2015, 3:48 pm

Almost guaranteed that Spieth will be #1 player when the rankings are released tomorrow.

However, if Rory finishes the equivalent of 43rd or better, Rory will retake the #1 on September 14th.

Rory will be adding tournaments to his divisor for the BMW and Tour Championship, so Spieth will have a leg up on Rory as the FEX Playoffs finish.

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Post by GPB on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 7:56 pm

Day can become #1 will become #1 with a win, and a possible #1 with a solo or two way tie for second.

Here is chart of the projected OWGR averages based on some sample finishes. (T2-2 = Two way T2nd)

PlaceRoryJordanJason
1st13.09513.11212.640
2nd12.45512.55911.920
T2-212.29512.42011.740
3rd12.13512.28211.560
T3-212.05512.21211.470
4th11.97512.14311.380
T4-211.92712.10211.326
5th11.87812.06011.272
T5-211.84712.03211.236
6th11.81512.00511.200
7th11.78311.97711.164
8th11.75111.94911.128
9th11.73511.93611.110
10th11.71911.92211.092
15th11.64711.85911.011
20th11.60711.82510.966
25th11.58111.80210.937
30th11.56711.79010.921
40th11.55911.78310.912
50th11.53511.76210.885
59th11.49511.72810.840

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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 16 Sep 2015, 2:29 pm

The FedEx Play-Offs are the owgr (72 pts again) gift that keeps on giving! Only 24 for the Italian Job so a huge difference for those able to take advantage - some balance restored the next few weeks I hope!!

That time of year when Tour pros on the Top 50 bubble might be looking at planning their schedule to stay there if they want a trip to Augusta.

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Post by GPB on Sun 20 Sep 2015, 5:16 pm

Ryo Ishikawa wins in Japan and Beyong Hun An wins in Korea.

Ryo should get inside the Top 150 and An should be in the top 50.  (ahead of Danny Lee but too late for the Prez Cup).

Karlberg moves to around 131st with his Italian Open win, Kaymer moves to 19th with his playoff loss.

Lil Rickie probably gets to #4 with a solo 2nd.  Two way T2nd might do it, depending on how Bubba finishes.

Should J-Day go on to win, he will be 1, but his #1 ranking will be vulnerable next week at the Tour Championship.  How vulnerable depends on how Rory and Jordan finish.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 20 Sep 2015, 5:21 pm

An definitely got the thin edge of Nick Price's wedge!

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Post by GPB on Mon 21 Sep 2015, 3:39 pm

J-Day has taken firm grasp of the #1 Ranking.  Rory and Jordan can only reclaim the #1 ranking by winning the Tour Championship (and a little help from Jason Day)

For Rory:  He has to win the Tour Championship and Jason has to finish worse than solo 15th.

For Jordan:He has to win the Tour Championship and Jason has to finish worse than solo 5th.

I suspect Jason will retain the #1 ranking after this week, but I think he will lose it by year end.  I think the only OWGR recognized tournament he plans to play is the World Challenge.  He wife is pregnant and due to give birth in November so other than a trip to Korea to play Prez Cup, I don't think he will be playing anymore.

Rory is going to be busy playing Euro tournaments (and the FRYS) so he will have an opportunity to collect some OWGR pts.  I am thinking about 6 or 7 more OWGR tournaments.

Jordan will be taking some weeks off (other than the Prez Cup) in the next month or so but I guess he will be playing at least 4 more OWGR recognized tournaments (in China, Japan,  Australia and World Challenge)

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Post by GPB on Mon 28 Sep 2015, 3:18 pm

Jordan gets the #1 ranking, but he will only hold for three weeks, unless he finds a tournament to play the week after the Prez Cup.

Assuming neither Spieth or Day plays after the Prez Cup, this is what their projected rankings will be for the next month.

- - - -  9/28 -- 10/5 - 10/12 - 10/19
Jordan  12.83 - 12.69 - 12.55 - 12.40
JasonD  12.74 - 12.63 - 12.53 - 12.42

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 28 Sep 2015, 4:02 pm

I don't think Rory's playing again until the Fry's and can't see that yielding enough points even if he should win it. Then some European Tour events.

And don't know that either Spieth or Day will play until the WGC-HSBC (probably not Day as his missus is expecting), then the Aussie Open which will likely see Spieth but not Day.

Rory needs to get going . . . . . . . .

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Post by GPB on Mon 28 Sep 2015, 11:30 pm

Rory is about 60 pts behind and the only tournament he might play that will be worth that many points is the WGC-China tournament.

I would guess the FRYS would be SoF-40 Max.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 28 Sep 2015, 11:44 pm

Agreed, there's no single event which will get him past either of the J-men.
But he'll be competing in somewhere between 4 and 6 events, Spieth in about 3, Day perhaps not at all, though imagine he'll join the Tiger swoonfest.

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Post by Bob_the_Job on Tue 29 Sep 2015, 8:50 am

kwinigolfer wrote:Day perhaps not at all, though imagine he'll join the Tiger swoonfest.

How will that work given Tiger's condition?  Will he turn up and see them all off at the first?  Buy them a drink in the bar when they get back in?  Trundle round in a buggy and chat to them in round?
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Post by kwinigolfer on Tue 29 Sep 2015, 12:01 pm

Bob,
Exactly! Though not too sure about the drink. Hero . . . . . . .

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Post by GPB on Tue 29 Sep 2015, 2:37 pm

I doubt if J-Day was going to go globetrotting even if Ellie was not expecting.

J-Day seems to have an aversion to traveling.  He seldom goes back to Australia to support their tour and never has played the WGC-HSBC China event.

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Post by McLaren on Tue 29 Sep 2015, 3:19 pm

I think day travels to events in an RV, so it would be pretty tough to cross the Pacific in that.
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Post by super_realist on Tue 29 Sep 2015, 3:45 pm

Be interesting to see if Pubehead, Day and Regaine can remain in the top 10 next year. The number of points Day and Regaine inparticular have to defend is incredible.

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Post by McLaren on Tue 29 Sep 2015, 4:09 pm

what/who is Regaine?
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Post by super_realist on Tue 29 Sep 2015, 4:30 pm

Sure you can guess from the context.

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Post by GPB on Tue 29 Sep 2015, 4:58 pm

McLaren wrote:I think day travels to events in an RV, so it would be pretty tough to cross the Pacific in that.

He was in the mix at St Andrews, do you think he took a ferry across the Atlantic?

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Post by McLaren on Tue 29 Sep 2015, 7:10 pm

Maybe its amphibious.
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Post by kwinigolfer on Tue 06 Oct 2015, 5:35 pm

British Masters winner projected to earn 36 pts this week.
Imagine next week's Fry's.com winner will earn more, perhaps 40+.
But if Rory played Woburn instead of Silverado, perhaps that would be reversed.

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Post by GPB on Sun 11 Oct 2015, 7:05 pm

Michael Fitzpatrick should be #59 in tomorrows rankings.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 11 Oct 2015, 7:27 pm

GPB,
Is Justin Rose's appearance at Silverado also a quid pro quo from his Turkish Delight?

I see princedrac also has Kjeldsen and Kiradech in the Top 50 . . . . . . . .

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Post by GPB on Sun 11 Oct 2015, 7:46 pm

Yep, Rose, Rory, Charl, and Webby are fulfilling their Turkey obligation.

Westy, Kuchar, and Mahan did it last year.

Woods gets a Medical Extension.

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Post by SmithersJones on Sun 11 Oct 2015, 9:34 pm

GPB wrote:Michael Fitzpatrick should be #59 in tomorrows rankings.

Thanks. What about the winner of the British Masters, Matthew?
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Post by GPB on Mon 12 Oct 2015, 4:59 am

SmithersJones wrote:
GPB wrote:Michael Fitzpatrick should be #59 in tomorrows rankings.

Thanks. What about the winner of the British Masters, Matthew?

Michael Matthew...whatever.

At least it is not a non biblical name like Chesson or Patton.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 12 Oct 2015, 8:38 pm

A reminder from princedrac that Spieth relinquishes #1 this coming week, overtaken by Jason Day while both are in "park".

And disappionting that initial projections of the Portugal event suggest an owgr earning in the mid-twenties, whilst Frys.com will be in the forties.

Adam Scott in Japan, Lahiri and Kiradech in Macau - why didn't Harrington and/or Westwood think of that?

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Post by super_realist on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 7:57 am

GPB wrote:
SmithersJones wrote:
GPB wrote:Michael Fitzpatrick should be #59 in tomorrows rankings.

Thanks. What about the winner of the British Masters, Matthew?

Michael Matthew...whatever.

At least it is not a non biblical name like Chesson or Patton.

How is Matthew a biblical name? It's in the bible, but it doesn't make it biblical. Presumably "Matthew" (not that there was one) was called so, before he allegedly met the mythical jewish sky zombie?

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Post by GPB on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 5:26 pm

LOL, just find it amusing how the anti-god-botherers are so bothered by non-Biblical names likes Wyndham and Chesson and Webb.

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Post by super_realist on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 7:37 pm

GPB wrote:LOL, just find it amusing how the anti-god-botherers are so bothered by non-Biblical names likes Wyndham and Chesson and Webb.

What biblical names?

No one is bothered by the names of American golfers, they're just stupid names.

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Post by GPB on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 8:05 pm

super_realist wrote:


No one is bothered by the names of American golfers, they're just stupid names.

Of course you are not bothered.

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Post by pedro on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 8:13 pm

GPB wrote:LOL, just find it amusing how the anti-god-botherers are so bothered by non-Biblical names likes Wyndham and Chesson and Webb.
Also find it amusing that those Americans with 'non-biblical' names very often are the biggest god-botherers.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 6:48 am

GPB wrote:
super_realist wrote:


No one is bothered by the names of American golfers, they're just stupid names.

Of course you are not bothered.

Rolling Eyes

I'll tell you what does annoy about, people claiming people are named after "biblical" names. I've nver heard of anyone called Job, Nebucadnezzer, Bethsheba or Moses. I'm sure the assertion was that Matthew, David, Mark, Luke, Peter, Paul, John etc are "biblical" names, they simply aren't.

Calling your kids Wyndham or Chesson is ridiculous as calling someone Apple or Fifi Trixabelle.

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Post by SmithersJones on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 9:35 am

Moses Kiptanui?
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Post by McLaren on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 10:51 am

Jesus Navas. That is pretty biblical.
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Post by LadyPutt on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 11:22 am

I think you'll find that some of the names you find ridiculous are simply cultural differences.

Can we move on, please?
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Post by super_realist on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 11:26 am

Alright Mrs "Keep it on topic Police", might have given Webb Simpson some inspiration for his next sprog there.

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Post by pedro on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 10:36 pm

McLaren wrote:Jesus Navas.  That is pretty biblical.
Not to mention Jesus Gil y Gil, a man who epitomized good Christian values... Whistle

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Post by GPB on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 10:47 pm

In college, I was good friends with a guy named Elvis Moses O'Leary.  


Moses is a common Jewish name



LadyPutt wrote:I think you'll find that some of the names you find ridiculous are simply cultural differences.

BINGO!!!

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