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Post by VTR on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 9:00 am

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As The Ashes thread has gone on a tangent arguing over who is SA's best fast bowler, let's get back on topic with a match thread.

Conditions for the 5 days look generally dry so there will be an almost certain result for either team. Also looking cloudy for large periods, so the loss of Anderson might be huge for England

England: Cook, Lyth, Bell, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Buttler, Ali, Broad, Wood, Finn

Australia: Rogers, Warner, Smith, S Marsh, Clarke, Voges, Nevill, Johnson, Starc, Hazlewood, Lyon


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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:19 pm

Aussie commentator Jim Maxwell is seething:"This is one of the most embarrassing batting performances in Test history."
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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by JamesLincs on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:19 pm

kpfan can suck my massive english d*ck.

thats all i have to say, thank you

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by GSC on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:20 pm

Stokes drops one. Looks like the pressure got to him
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Post by trebellbobaggins on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:22 pm

GSC wrote:Stokes drops one. Looks like the pressure got to him

when your 300-5 at the end of day one it can hurt your confidence.

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by Duty281 on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:25 pm

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/62445.html

Quite similar? All the way back in 1896, though. Spirited comeback by Australia all to no avail.

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Post by PaulHv2 on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:26 pm

Shot of the day so far that from Lyon.
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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by GSC on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:27 pm

I don't think KPF is coming back
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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by VTR on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:27 pm

GSC wrote:If I were an Aussie fan id be unresponsive by now

If you were an unresponsive Aussie you'd be in their top 6!

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Post by PaulHv2 on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:27 pm

VTR wrote:
GSC wrote:If I were an Aussie fan id be unresponsive by now

If you were an unresponsive Aussie you'd be in their top 6!

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by trebellbobaggins on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:28 pm

This looks like their best partnership. Good classy batsmen.. you're not getting them out.

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by kingraf on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:29 pm

I miss the longer form of the game.... T20
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Post by dyrewolfe on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:30 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:This looks like their best partnership.  Good classy batsmen.. you're not getting them out.

Yup. I can see these two putting a century partnership together and really frustrating England. Wink


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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by VTR on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:33 pm

I don't mind this partnership lasting a while. Its brightening up, 40 mins at lunch will make a difference

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Post by GSC on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:33 pm

Lyons playing himself in now, Aussie spinners batting 11 have previous here.

About time to get Ali on and build some pressure
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Post by trebellbobaggins on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:36 pm

dyrewolfe wrote:
trebellbobaggins wrote:This looks like their best partnership.  Good classy batsmen.. you're not getting them out.

Yup. I can see these two putting a century partnership together and really frustrating England. Wink


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as low as that?

they're already laying down the deepest roots. I'd say a quickfire 300 once they get going.

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by Gooseberry on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:38 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:Aussie commentator Jim Maxwell is seething:"This is one of the most embarrassing batting performances in Test history."

He's obviously not seen many England games over the years

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by trebellbobaggins on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:39 pm

the fours are flowing now.

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by VTR on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:39 pm

3 notable absentees today: KP_Fan, Steffan (the Welsh Aussie), The Australian Cricket Team

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by alfie on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:39 pm

Only added ten ; but these two have batted longer than any other pairing...

Need a Yorker ....nah , that'll do

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:40 pm

Australia bowled out for 60. Twenty minutes before lunch on the first day with Broad with figures of 8 for 15. Shocked
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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by trebellbobaggins on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:40 pm

the fanatics will be delighted, they exploded with delight at the 50 and then got 10 more.

we shall have to see though if eng can do anything here.

In a dream world i'd like them to get 350 but 150+ might be really hard.

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by Duty281 on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:40 pm

8/15 for Broad!

What a morning. Australia clueless, inept, humiliated; England accurate, threatening.

Good fielding all round.

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by Corporalhumblebucket on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:41 pm

Broad 8 - 15 clap clap clap clap clap clap

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by jbeadlesbigrighthand on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:42 pm

Extras top scored, and only two batsmen got into double figures. Carnage.

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by Marky on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:42 pm

After all that, England ARE batting this morning.

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by alfie on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:42 pm

Broad 8/15 Yahoo

Magic spell ...backed by brilliant catching clap

Up to the batsmen now...

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by Corporalhumblebucket on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:43 pm

Marky wrote:I agree it probably makes sense to bowl first, but if England without Anderson can't make inroads it will backfire in a big way.

Cracking prediction! Very Happy Very Happy

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by Gooseberry on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:43 pm

Oh no kpf was here earlier telling us how reliant England are on Anderson

To be fair noone could've confidently predicted this levels carnage, but it was always on the cards whichever team batted first.

The difference between this and lords can't just be down to a bit of grass and cloud though, it's pretty startling.

It should also put paid to the argument that England were demanding and cooking up dead pitches. Its seam movement that gives their bowlers the extra edge ( although again I can't believe that the absurd difference is solely down to that)

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by Duty281 on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:44 pm

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KP_fan wrote:England's seam bowling ability to be potent is reduced by 50% in the absence of anderson

Not every day is a sunday ...expect Aus to take advantage of missing....Anderson's.....show more resolve, greater depth of specialist batters.... and have a decent day....means around 300ish for 5

Cheers KP_fan. thumbsup

After your initial foray of England won't even win a test in this series, this probably means Australia will struggle to hit three digits!

It did! And they didn't! Thank you KP_Fan.

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by Marky on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:44 pm

Corporalhumblebucket wrote:
Marky wrote:I agree it probably makes sense to bowl first, but if England without Anderson can't make inroads it will backfire in a big way.

Cracking prediction! Very Happy Very Happy
To be fair I was right. If England couldn't make inroads it would have backfired.

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:44 pm

Brilliant from Broad.

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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by VTR on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:45 pm

Corporalhumblebucket wrote:
Marky wrote:I agree it probably makes sense to bowl first, but if England without Anderson can't make inroads it will backfire in a big way.

Cracking prediction! Very Happy Very Happy

I think he was right though. He said IF England can't make inroads. Implying if they did, they would be ok

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Post by jbeadlesbigrighthand on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:45 pm

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:Extras top scored, and only two batsmen got into double figures. Carnage.

And a quick check of Cricinfo suggests that in innings where extra has top scored, the figure for extras has only been lower three times.

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Post by alfie on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:46 pm

I'm not dreaming , am I ? Really did see all that ?

And there was I counseling "bat first , chaps " this morning picard

I suppose one should remember the old " wait until both teams have batted on it " ; but really...


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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:47 pm

I really don't think the pitch is doing that much. It is more to do with poor technique and the Aussies being mentally shot for me. I say this as the tail-enders actually showed that hanging around was far from impossible. England's task now is to pile on the runs, pile on the agony and pile on the pressure. If England can build a lead of 200 I'd say the urn is as good as won.

Like I said bebore though lets see how things stand after both teams have batted and then we'll get a far better idea of how things stand.
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Post by Stella on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:48 pm

alfie wrote:I'm not dreaming , am I ?  Really did see all that ?

And there was I counseling "bat first , chaps " this morning  picard

I suppose one should remember the old " wait until both teams have batted on it " ; but really...


It was bowl first, even if we get toppled for 120.
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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by VTR on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:49 pm

Broad's 8-15 is the 21st Best bowling analysis of all time

Amazingly its only the third cheapest 8-for!

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Post by dyrewolfe on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:50 pm

Unbelievable morning for England.

I'd like to say well done on a fantastic performance, but reading the BBC's text commentary it seems the Aussies were the architects of their own downfall.

Regardless, a great display by Broad...has to rank up there with his best, surely? clap

Lets just hope England don't emulate the Aussies' batting performance. Would like to see us get 250 at least. Ought to be enough to guarantee the win (providing the rain holds off)
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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by liverbnz on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:51 pm

Why does Cook not take the first ball?

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Post by GSC on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:52 pm

Lyth 100 would be lovely
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Post by Gooseberry on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:53 pm

Lyth already outscored the Aussie top 3...

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Post by alfie on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:53 pm

Stella wrote:
alfie wrote:I'm not dreaming , am I ?  Really did see all that ?

And there was I counseling "bat first , chaps " this morning  picard

I suppose one should remember the old " wait until both teams have batted on it " ; but really...


It was bowl first, even if we get toppled for 120.

Oh I think I'd agree with that Smile

But I was a little apprehensive overnight about sending them in without Jimmy on duty...mind you , I hadn't seen the actual pitch and conditions then !
Though as Craig suggests , I'm not sure it is a monster - and surely not a 60 all out strip !

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Post by GSC on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:54 pm

Australia were 3 down at this point
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Post by trebellbobaggins on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:56 pm

The aussies must have felt confident when Jimmy was out but then as soon As Broad hit form they were shot.

Mustn't get ahead of ourselves though. This rebuilding England side have a long way to go but it's always nice when they can perform like that with the ball.


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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:56 pm

alfie wrote:
Stella wrote:
alfie wrote:I'm not dreaming , am I ?  Really did see all that ?

And there was I counseling "bat first , chaps " this morning  picard

I suppose one should remember the old " wait until both teams have batted on it " ; but really...


It was bowl first, even if we get toppled for 120.

Oh I think I'd agree with that Smile

But I was a little apprehensive overnight  about sending them in without Jimmy on duty...mind you , I hadn't seen the actual pitch and conditions then !
Though as Craig suggests , I'm not sure it is a monster - and surely not a 60 all out strip !

Well you just need to look who the top scorer for Australia was - Mitchell Johnson. Not a top order batsman by any means and lower order stuck around much longer too. That is not the characteristics of a minefield of a batting strip.


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Post by GSC on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:56 pm

Beginning to think the record for fastest 5 wickets might be safe
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Re: England vs Australia 4th Test, Trent Bridge

Post by VTR on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:57 pm

No strip is a 60ao strip. Even that corrugated iron one in the Windies where the Test got abandoned.

Dreadful from the Aussies - England need to keep their heads now and trust it isn't the minefield it was made to look. 300 and its all over

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:57 pm

but could aussie not then get 350+ and make it a game VTR?

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Post by VTR on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 12:59 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:but could aussie not then get 350+ and make it a game VTR?

They could. If they can win from here fair play to them, it would be the greatest comeback in the history of cricket and possibly all sport

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Post by GSC on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 1:02 pm

England 9-0 at lunch. Bit of a slow scoring session for us, must've rained
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