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Post by VTR on Thu 06 Aug 2015, 9:00 am

First topic message reminder :

As The Ashes thread has gone on a tangent arguing over who is SA's best fast bowler, let's get back on topic with a match thread.

Conditions for the 5 days look generally dry so there will be an almost certain result for either team. Also looking cloudy for large periods, so the loss of Anderson might be huge for England

England: Cook, Lyth, Bell, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Buttler, Ali, Broad, Wood, Finn

Australia: Rogers, Warner, Smith, S Marsh, Clarke, Voges, Nevill, Johnson, Starc, Hazlewood, Lyon


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Post by GSC on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:19 pm

Wood reprieved, costs 5 runs.

Good for Stokes to get one, would've been a great injustice had this spell gone unrewarded
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Post by temporary21 on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:20 pm

Every ball wood bowls is a no ball

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Post by alfie on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:21 pm

And by the way I'm claiming that one : only a few balls after I joined the Reverse Curse Party devil

Stokes really earned that. And another fantastic catch from Root , who can do no wrong...

Get one of these and we are into the tail Smile

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:21 pm

Hmm wicket then Warner just takes the pee and starts hitting sixes.

Im not sure whats going on in Nottingham thsi week but it doenst appear to be test cricket

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Post by VTR on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:22 pm

Wood off, Broad on please

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Post by GSC on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:22 pm

Time for Broad before tea I think
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:23 pm

That Warner six was a no ball too - any danger of doing your jobs umpires?
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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:24 pm

Warners had more edges than the top 5 faced balls in the first innings. Its beyond ridiculous.

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Post by temporary21 on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:26 pm

COME ON! Session just about salvaged

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Post by alfie on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:27 pm

Have to say I'm disappointed with Wood today. Quite apart from the no balls , he is sending down too many poor deliveries.

Might be trying a bit too hard ? Probably thinks that with Finn back in the side he is in trouble when Jimmy recovers fitness. Needs to relax a bit , I reckon.

Two for Stokes Yahoo

Warner runs out of luck...

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Post by VTR on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:27 pm

Well you could say that's a bad shot. Or the luckiest 64 in Test history getting a fitting ending...

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Post by GSC on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:27 pm

I think I speak for everyone

"About ****ing time that flukey ******* went"
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Post by trebellbobaggins on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:28 pm

flukey torse port indeed.

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Post by dyrewolfe on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:28 pm

Nine Lives Warner has obviously used up all his luck!

Stokes does the biz again...Aus 130-2! Yahoo



Just when they were starting to look dangerous. That'll slow things down a bit.
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Post by Duty281 on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:28 pm

Bugger off Warner.

Eight to get.

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Post by temporary21 on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:29 pm

The drop cost 54 runs. Could have cost more. Key man in now

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:30 pm

Warner is such a lovely bloke though, it's always sad to see.

I think the evening can see some wickets if there is some moisture off the river and some movement.


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Post by dyrewolfe on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:30 pm

GSC wrote:I think I speak for everyone

"About ****ing time that flukey ******* went"


Well ****ing said! Laugh
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Post by kingraf on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:33 pm

Australia now only need another 500 to be back in the driver's seat
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Post by trebellbobaggins on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:34 pm

400 definitely on for Aussie though, 380 minimum.  All about how Eng cope in the chase if that happens.

Eng must keep the score down and chip away at a couple more if they can. The morning will be a much tougher test again for Aussie.


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Post by VTR on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:35 pm

Stokes!!!

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Post by GSC on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:35 pm

Another 300 to make England think.

Another 400 to make them seriously think
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Post by GSC on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:36 pm

Remember when we had to stay patient Smile

Australia have unravelled just before tea. Massive, massive pressure on Captain Clarke now
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Post by trebellbobaggins on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:38 pm

Indeed gsc. 350 still very gettable though, depends how things start to move tonight or tomorrow.

I really wish England got another 50 and used up some more time.

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Post by temporary21 on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:38 pm

Yeeeeees. Smith lobs to to cover. 4 wickets I can't believe how they've turned this around

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Post by GSC on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:38 pm

Smith gone.

This might be done today after all
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Post by dyrewolfe on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:38 pm

...and off we go again...

Its calypso-collapso time for Aus as Stokes bags his third, dismissing Marsh for just 2.

Are the nerves setting in again and is this about to end very messily?



And before I even finish typing this, Broad gets rid of Smith for just 5 and Aus are 136-4.

This could be all over sooner rather than later.


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Post by VTR on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:39 pm

Could they lose 10-60 again?

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:40 pm

That's a promising patch. Gsc was spot on about patience.

Eng might be chasing a small chase. I don't think 10 would worry them.

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Post by alfie on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:40 pm

Stokes gets his third ...and presumably ends the Test career of S.Marsh.

And Broad gets the big one : yahoo:

This looks bad for tomorrow's ticket holders...

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Post by GSC on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:40 pm

Warner used all the luck up it seems. England and in particular Stokes being rewarded for some very good bowling
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Post by JDizzle on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:41 pm

alfie wrote:Stokes gets his third ...and presumably ends the Test career of S.Marsh.

And Broad gets the big one : yahoo:

This looks bad for tomorrow's ticket holders...

Gave Australia got enough batsmen to replace both S. Marsh and Voges? Presumably Mitch Marsh comes back in for one.

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Post by temporary21 on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:42 pm

What a turnaround. Stokes comes good this ashes

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:43 pm

Should see a little more help from the conditions this evening hopefully.

If either of these two go then it's not really saveable for Aussie and I already wonder if their thoughts will have gone from winning to surviving in just under 30 minutes?

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:44 pm

Nice little end to that session.

Clarke will have to play the innings of his life if he doesn't want to lose a fifth Ashes series as a player.

Might be over tonight!

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Post by kingraf on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:48 pm

Australia's thoughts can't go to surviving. It's only Day 2!! They have to try win even from here. The problem being, Winning in Australia seems to be a glorious pursuit. One achieved with the batting elegance of a Naomi Campbell. If they win. It HAS to be at four an over. It has to be positive. It HAS to be "taking the initiative".
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Post by VTR on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:56 pm

kingraf wrote:Australia's thoughts can't go to surviving. It's only Day 2!! They have to try win even from here. The problem being, Winning in Australia seems to be a glorious pursuit. One achieved with the batting elegance of a Naomi Campbell. If they win. It HAS to be at four an over. It has to be positive. It HAS to be "taking the initiative".

Very true. I also note one of Clarke's famous "bold and clever declarations" hasn't been seen in this series yet. Easy to do if you are playing well, not so much if you are batting like a dog's breakfast

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Post by alfie on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:58 pm

JDizzle wrote:
alfie wrote:Stokes gets his third ...and presumably ends the Test career of S.Marsh.

And Broad gets the big one : yahoo:

This looks bad for tomorrow's ticket holders...

Gave Australia got enough batsmen to replace both S. Marsh and Voges? Presumably Mitch Marsh comes back in for one.

If they can't find a better player than Marsh they really are in trouble ! There are a few in the Shield who could be tried ; though in truth the cupboard looks a bit thin at present. Next week I reckon they would be well advised to recall the much maligned Watson ; but they have to try some new bats after this series. Rogers - who is still playing well - and Clarke are on the way out ; and I don't think these fellows are worth persevering with.

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 3:59 pm

Telegraph sportswriter Jonathan Liew on Twitter: "Steve Smith's two failures mean that Joe Root will almost certainly become the world's No1 batsman when the new rankings come out."

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Post by kingraf on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 4:01 pm

I'd recall Watson. Mike did warn that Watson was undroppable. Guess he was right
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Post by VTR on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 4:03 pm

Australia bringing back Watson reminds me of when England used to recall Hick or Ramprakash every third or fourth Test

Their cupboard must be beyond bare if that's the best option, though from the squad they have it looks like it is

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Post by dummy_half on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 4:08 pm

kingraf wrote:I'd recall Watson. Mike did warn that Watson was undroppable. Guess he was right

Only cos he never nicked anything, being out hit on the pad before he edged one Wink

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 4:10 pm

Crucial times, as it stands Aussie will no doubt be seeing this as winnable with such titans in at the crease.

Remove one though and even they may start to question. Can they be removed though?

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Post by alfie on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 4:13 pm

VTR wrote:Australia bringing back Watson reminds me of when England used to recall Hick or Ramprakash every third or fourth Test

Their cupboard must be beyond bare if that's the best option, though from the squad they have it looks like it is

Well Gillespie did say they had a Dad's Army squad ...really haven't many options. Which I why I couldn't see why most people had them as such hot favourites before the series : always were at risk if Clarke didn't fire , or either of the openers wasn't having a good series.

At least Watson tends to get 30

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Post by GSC on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 4:20 pm

Surviving and trying to win the game are the same thing here. Australia have to grind England out a bit and then pick up the rate. You cant rely on the luck Warner had
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Post by alfie on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 4:27 pm

trebellbobaggins wrote:Crucial times, as it stands Aussie will no doubt be seeing this as winnable with such titans in at the crease.

Remove one though and even they may start to question.  Can they be removed though?

Shane Warne was starting to sound quite bullish just before Rogers got out. But most of the Aussie confidence around this match has sounded a bit like whistling in the dark.

They have fought well today ; up to a point. But they are one collapse away from surrendering the urn this evening...

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Post by alfie on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 4:32 pm

Finn back on at last. Very sparingly used today ; and was down on pace earlier. Has he got a problem ?

Was hoping for a better follow up from him after his fine match at Edgbaston . But perhaps he just has trouble backing up in these closely scheduled Tests.

Could do with a good burst from him now.

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 4:33 pm

yup, these two getting settled and sure to win the match for Aussie now Alfie. you're not getting them out.

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Post by kingraf on Fri 07 Aug 2015, 4:38 pm

Well, I called it absolutely wrong. I went 3-0 Aus or 2-1 Aus (under the assumption that one of the games would be of could go either way kind). Just thought the Aussie bowlers would be too hot for your batsmen (not been completely wrong here), didn't see Australian batsmen basically decide the way they played in the world cup would be the way to play no matter the conditions. Or situation. Glad I didn't bet on it, as a rule I don't bet on very short odds for the simple reason that the money back isn't worth the risk (although my Hazlewood punt seems a dream deferred now).
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