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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 2:17 am

The start of WWE's huge weekend is the biggest NXT event to date in front of a sold out Brooklyn crowd.

1 Finn Bálor (c) vs. Kevin Owens Ladder match for the NXT Championship
2 Jushin Thunder Liger vs. Tyler Breeze Singles match
3 Blake and Murphy (c) vs. The Vaudevillains (Aiden English and Simon Gotch) Tag team match for the NXT Tag Team Championship
4 Sasha Banks (c) vs. Bayley Singles match for the NXT Women's Championship
5 Baron Corbin vs. Samoa Joe Singles match
6 Apollo Crews vs. Tye Dillinger Singles match
7 Enzo Amore, Colin Cassady, Zack Ryder and Mojo Rawley vs. Jason Jordan, Chad Gable, Scott Dawson and Dash Wilder Eight-man tag team match
8 Becky Lynch vs. Charlotte vs. Dana Brooke vs. Emma Fatal four-way match
9 Bull Dempsey vs. Elias Samson Singles match
10 Carmella vs. Eva Marie

Another very good card, although with more filler than SummerSlam. There is definite intrigue around Apollo Crew, and some around Bull Dempsey, but otherwise you're looking at the title match, Jushin Thunder Liger and then the womens title match to steal the show. I really hope Joe goes over Corbin and it should be a real test of Corbin's credentials having worked nothing but squash matches for a while.

I would think that Blake and Murphy should retain for now but the Vaudevillains are an entertaining pair. Alexa Bliss' emergence is another reason why the champs should retain, she's grown as a valet and suddenly looks a real talent.

At the very least we should also get to see how NXT is restoring the double-team moves into their tag teams, and the 8 man tag match will showcase that. Wilder, Dawson, Gable and Jordan are somewhat easy to forget, but they have made real effort to use in-ring talent to push past the character void.

Discuss my friends, and remember that from Saturday night onwards there will be spoilers.

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Re: WWE NXT Takeover: Brooklyn

Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Fri 21 Aug 2015, 2:27 am

Can't wait for my girl to finally get her moment in the sun #huglife

Also looking forward to seeing Uhaa and Lyger debut in a WWE ring, Crews is going to blow some minds when he gets his Poopie in

The main event has real promise I think we're getting a coup de graces off the top of the ladder which should be quality

Overall I can't wait #Bayley for champ #Huglife #Dancingbaloonmen

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Re: WWE NXT Takeover: Brooklyn

Post by Fernando on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 8:26 am

NXT Takeover Results:
Jushin “Thunder” Liger vs Tyler Breeze

Breeze goes for a tie up but Liger evades him and taunts Breeze with his own corner taunt, then puts him in a surfboard stretch. Breeze counters but Liger kicks him in the stomach, then reapplies a surfboard stretch and takes a picture with Breeze’s selfie stick. Breeze catches him with a Supermodel kick for two, then he applies a front facelock and hits a double knee strike for two.

Breeze charges the corner but Liger backdrops him and connects with a rolling heel kick, then he follows with a tilt-a-whirl backbreaker and heads up top. Breeze counters a splash with a knee strike on the way down, then catches Liger with a backslide pin for two. Liger comes back with a palm strike and heads up top, but Breeze rolls outside so Liger instead splashes him on the floor. Liger rolls him back in but Breeze escapes a hold, only to have Liger hit him in the corner and he wins it with a Liger Bomb.

Winner – Jushin “Thunder” Liger

NXT Tag Team Championships
The Vaudevillians vs Blake and Murphy (c)

Alexa mocks the Vaudevillains for not having anyone to help and tries to slap them, but Gotch grabs her arm and Blue Pants come to the ring. The bell rings and Gotch gets an early pin attempt, then Murphy ties him up and Blake tries to assist. English hits a double armdrag and applies a wristlock, then he goes for a springboard but Murphy pulls the ropes down. Murphy stomps him a few times and applies a headlock, then Blake gets back in and throws a few strikes.

Blake and Murphy end up colliding and Gotch gets the tag, and he connects with some running forearm shots and lifts Murphy on his shoulders. Murphy whips Gotch outside and crotches English on the turnbuckles, then Blake tries to assist with a double superplex. Gotch evens things up and knocks them down, then English hits a senton bomb for two. Alexa tries to interfere but Blue Pants knocks her down and hits her a few times, and Murphy tries to steal a pin. Gotch breaks it up and hits a rolling uppercut, and English transitions into a rolling cutter and makes the cover.

Winner and NEW NXT Tag Team Champions – The Vaudevillians

Apollo Crews vs Tye Dillinger

Tye tries to hits Crews a few times but Crews sends him into the corner, then Tye knocks him down with a dropkick on the apron. Tye stomps him a few times and applies a headlock, then slams Crews down and goes for multiple pin attempts. Tye sets up a superkick but Crews catches him with a standing enaiguiri, then he follows with a few clotheslines and a military press and a standing moonsault for the win.

Winner – Apollo Crews

William Regal thanks the crowd for being there, and says NXT wouldn’t be where it is if it wasn’t for Dusty Rhodes. He announces a new tag tournament in Dusty Rhodes’ honor, called the The Dusty Rhodes Tag Team Classic, and says it will be a star-studded affair. Regal says they won’t want to miss a moment of this, which will culminate at NXT Takeover, and they will make Dusty proud.

Samoa Joe vs Baron Corbin

Joe goes for a few strikes but Baron rolls outside and avoids it, then Joe snaps his head on the ropes and dropkicks him through the ropes. Joe goes to dive outside but Baron hits him on the way out, then he splashes him in the corner and taunts the crowd. Joe catches Baron with a single-legged crab before transitioning into an elevated armbar, but Baron breaks free.

Baron sends him outside but Joe whips him into the barricade, then he hits the ropes but Baron counters with a swinging side slam for two. Joe comes back with a step up enziguiri and they trade punches before Joe sets up for a Muscle Buster. Baron kicks him and connects with a sit out suplex for two, then he goes for End of Days but Joe counters with a Coquina Clutch attempt. Baron slams him down, but Joe rolls through and locks him in the Coquina Clutch, and makes Baron pass out.

Winner – Samoa Joe

NXT Women’s Championship
Bayley vs Sasha Banks (c)

Sasha hits Bayley a few times but Bayley comes back with a guillotine elbow, then Sasha rolls outside and taunts the crowd. Bayley goes to the other side of the floor and dropkicks her through the ropes, then rolls her in but Sasha kicks her in the ropes. Sasha hangs her on the turnbuckles but Bayley punches her a few times, then they head up top and Sasha kicks Bayley’s knee and sends her to the floor. Sasha hits Bayley and rolls her back in, then throws her back outside and slams her into the steps.

Bayley goes to get back in but Sasha somersaults over the ref and takes Bayley out with a senton, then gets a two as they get back in the ring. Sasha looks a little upset and slaps Bayley, then she goes for a springboard armdrag but Bayley shoves her out to the floor. Bayley connects with some axe handle smashes and a corner splash, then she suplexes Sasha into the turnbuckles and goes for Bayley-to-Belly. Sasha counters with a Bank Statement and stomps Bayley’s injured hand, but Bayley kicks off the ropes and locks Sasha in her own hold! Sasha fights and narrowly gets her foot on the bottom rope, then Bayley charges but Sasha kicks her and tries to retaliate.

Bayley catches her and hits Bayley-to-belly for two, then she lifts Sasha up again and sets up for a Super Bayley-to-Belly on the turnbuckles. Sasha elbows her but Bayley runs back, and tries to hit a hurricanrana but Sasha shoves her and dumps Bayley on her head. Sasha hits a seated senton for two, then she sets Bayley up on the turnbuckles, but Bayley hits a reverse hurricanrana and Bayley-to-Belly for the win!

Winner and NEW NXT Women’s Champion – Bayley

NXT Championship (Ladder Match)
Kevin Owens vs Finn Balor (c)

Owens talks trash and shoves Balor, then he runs for the ladder but Balor cuts him off and dropkicks him. Balor chops him and Owens stomps him, then they go for the ladder but Owens hits a senton and a corner cannonball. Owens mocks the fans chanting ‘Ole!’ and hits Balor, but Balor comes back with Sling Blade and gets the ladder. Owens stops him and they fight for control, with Owens slamming him into the ring apron with the ladder. Owens slams Balor with the ladder a few times, then he goes for a cannonball on it but stops short and ends up punching Balor instead, getting a pop out of the crowd.

They end up fighting into the crowd and Balor counters a powerbomb with a backdrop back onto the padding, then he goes for a clothesline but Owens slams him into the barricade. He whips Balor back over the commentary table and smashes him with the top of the table, then he taunts the crowd on the table before getting a ladder. Balor runs across the commentary table and dropkicks it into Owens, then he tries to climb for the title but Owens pulls the ladder outside. Balor takes him out with a somersault senton, then he backdrops Owens on a ladder opened sideways.

Balor climbs the ladder and Owens pulls him back, whips him into the second ladder in the corner and sets up a cannonball. Balor rolls away and Owens hits the ladder, then Balor dropkicks him in the corner and hits Coup de Grace and climbs the ladder. Owens grabs Balor’s leg and powerbombs him from the ladder, then he heads outside and attempts a pop-up powerbomb on the ring apron. Balor lands on his feet and kicks Owens in the face, then he goes for a double stomp but Owens avoids it and powerbombs Balor on the side of the ring.

Owens sets the ladder up and Balor tips it over, but Owens lands on his feet and kicks Balor in the face. Owens sets the ladder up and Balor tries to get up, but Owens tells him to stay down and kicks him in the face. He screams at Balor as he stomps him, then Owens gets a second ladder and wedges it in between the turnbuckles and the opened ladder’s rungs. He climbs one side and drags Balor to the top with him, setting up for a cradle superplex on it, but Balor blocks it. Balor hits him with some forearm shots, then he headbutts Owens and Owens slams facefirst off the wedged ladder. Balor turns and tries to climb but Owens starts to stir, so Balor double stomps him off the ladder and takes the title down to retain.

Winner – Finn Balor

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Re: WWE NXT Takeover: Brooklyn

Post by Fernando on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 8:29 am

NXT will embark on a seven city tour of the United Kingdom from Thursday, December 10th through Wednesday, December 16, 2015.  

NXT’s tour of the United Kingdom will include the following locations:

·         December 10: Metro Radio Arena in Newcastle

·         December 11: The SSE Hydro in Glasgow

·         December 12: Sheffield Arena in Sheffield

·         December 13: Empress Ballroom in Blackpool

·         December 14: Capital FM Arena in Nottingham

·         December 15: Motorpoint Arena in Cardiff

·         December 16: The SSE Wembley Arena in London

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Re: WWE NXT Takeover: Brooklyn

Post by FreekShow on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 11:32 am

The Bayley/Banks match is by far the best womens match I've ever seen.

Everything about it was perfect, even the curtain call afterwards. Bravo ladies clap


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Re: WWE NXT Takeover: Brooklyn

Post by Gregers on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 11:56 am

FreekShow wrote:The Bayley/Banks match is by far the best womens match I've ever seen.

Everything about it was perfect, even the curtain call afterwards. Bravo ladies clap


Totally agree. What a match, for me that's match of the year so far regardless of men or women

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Re: WWE NXT Takeover: Brooklyn

Post by Samo on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 5:25 pm

Excellent, excellent show.

Breeze vs Liger was an awesome exhibition for Liger, pretty sure he'll be heading into the Hall of Fame sometime soon. Tyler Breeze was awesome as always.

Good tag match. Im amazed that Blue Pants got as huge a pop as she did. Told a good story throughout and im glad to see the titles off of Blake and Murphy, its about time someone else had a shot - and I cant think of a more deserving team than the Vaudevillains.

Uhaa Nation - sorry, Apollo Crews - is the real deal. An awesome talent and an excellent signing for NXT. He's much watch.

Samoa Joe vs Corbin was everything it should have been, which was a fight between two strong dudes. I think Corbin did a brilliant job and credit to Joe for helping him. He's starting to show he's got a lot more in his locker than his squash matches would suggest, and he's a better character in Heel mode.

Bayley/Banks was incredible. Better than Banks/Lynch. A serious Match of the Year candidate. Watch this match.

Owens/Balor was as good a ladder match as you'll see. Started in 5th gear and stayed there throughout. I liked that the ladder didnt come into play right away, and that they saved the really brutal spots to the end - without it getting to ridiculous levels like Ambrose/Rollins.

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Re: WWE NXT Takeover: Brooklyn

Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 6:49 pm

I'd agree with the four bits in the middle, but have to say Liger seemed more about Liger being in a ring than anything else. Thought it was a sloppy match.

And whilst the main event was good, I was a little disappointed due to the high standards I had set out for the both of them, and because the match of the year had been on before them so raised expectation levels.

Gonna go against the grain so far and say as cute as the 4 Horsewoman bit was, kayfabe dies right there. Becky and Charlotte just love Sasha so much ahead of their match tomorrow where they are clear rivals. Let alone the fact she's been the heel in that division they all hate, but Sasha remains one on the main roster. One of the weaknesses of NXT was laid out in that moment; self-indulgence of the fans which reflected into the ring. Felt like "we're NXT so we do what we want." I don't care if everybody knows wrestling is fake, stories are not real based on characters, if Sasha Banks isn't friends with Charlotte and Becky now then its stupid.

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Re: WWE NXT Takeover: Brooklyn

Post by Samo on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 7:29 pm

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Gonna go against the grain so far and say as cute as the 4 Horsewoman bit was, kayfabe dies right there. Becky and Charlotte just love Sasha so much ahead of their match tomorrow where they are clear rivals. Let alone the fact she's been the heel in that division they all hate, but Sasha remains one on the main roster. One of the weaknesses of NXT was laid out in that moment; self-indulgence of the fans which reflected into the ring. Felt like "we're NXT so we do what we want." I don't care if everybody knows wrestling is fake, stories are not real based on characters, if Sasha Banks isn't friends with Charlotte and Becky now then its stupid.

I thought it felt alot like The Kliq when they were split up. Its a safe assumption Charlotte wont be back on NXT, Banks will maybe have her rematch and Lynch will get another month or two, so its almost like a feel good moment before all 4 of them end up on the main roster permanently.

NXT has always been seen as a separate entity with separate characters. It was only a couple of years ago that Big E was the face NXT champion while being a heel with Dolph Ziggler on the main show. The lines are being blurred more recently but they have still be drawn. I didnt mind it at all, and I thought it was an excellent ending to an excellent match. A true celebration of the Womans wrestling renaissance.

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Re: WWE NXT Takeover: Brooklyn

Post by RanjitPatel on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 7:49 pm

I watched most of takeover before going to work and must echo the sentiments on the women's match. I'd seen Banks on TV before but hadn't seen her wrestle (or Bayley) but I could see what the fuss is about in the first few minutes. Banks had the crowd eating out of the palm of her hand. The match was brilliant too and was sold well through the commentary.

I enjoyed the Joe v Corbin match. It was about time we found out if Corbin can work a match and he can. They gelled well together I thought.

Missed the main event but caught Balor winning. I haven't seen yet what's so special about him. Just seems like a minus 5 Daniel Bryan.

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Re: WWE NXT Takeover: Brooklyn

Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 23 Aug 2015, 9:54 pm

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Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Gonna go against the grain so far and say as cute as the 4 Horsewoman bit was, kayfabe dies right there. Becky and Charlotte just love Sasha so much ahead of their match tomorrow where they are clear rivals. Let alone the fact she's been the heel in that division they all hate, but Sasha remains one on the main roster. One of the weaknesses of NXT was laid out in that moment; self-indulgence of the fans which reflected into the ring. Felt like "we're NXT so we do what we want." I don't care if everybody knows wrestling is fake, stories are not real based on characters, if Sasha Banks isn't friends with Charlotte and Becky now then its stupid.

I thought it felt alot like The Kliq when they were split up.  Its a safe assumption Charlotte wont be back on NXT, Banks will maybe have her rematch and Lynch will get another month or two, so its almost like a feel good moment before all 4 of them end up on the main roster permanently.

NXT has always been seen as a separate entity with separate characters.  It was only a couple of years ago that Big E was the face NXT champion while being a heel with Dolph Ziggler on the main show.  The lines are being blurred more recently but they have still be drawn.  I didnt mind it at all, and I thought it was an excellent ending to an excellent match.  A true celebration of the Womans wrestling renaissance.

But it isnt at all separate nowadays. The fact is that Cesaro was there giving a hand to Balor for a reason, Team BAD were in the front row for a reason. This is a completely different NXT to the one that saw Big E as a power.

It was indulgence, and I will admit that I expected you to defend it Samo because you do indulge NXT in its whims. The fact of the matter is they were advertising a show for the next night where Sasha was to face Becky and Charlotte. I get that it was a feel good moment, and it was probably personally enjoyable for them, but it was one of many problems wrestling has today. The suspension of disbelief is important in entertainment, and WWE in particular doesn't care. Some wrestlers do and probably wouldn't go against it by choice, but I see those 4 women as little HHH prodigies and HHH wants his desires indulged at all times. Owens wouldn't be involved in such a thing in such an obvious way, and it was galling to me to see him spoken down to as part of that security team bit for Taker and Lesnar. I would never expect him to hug it out with Zayn in a months time because they were both making their full-time move up to Raw.

I don't want my wrestling to remind me its scripted.

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Re: WWE NXT Takeover: Brooklyn

Post by Prometheus on Fri 04 Sep 2015, 4:16 pm

Finally got round to watching this. A good show overall.
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Post by Prometheus on Tue 08 Sep 2015, 10:29 am

Here's my breakdown.

Jushin Liger / Tyler Breeze
Having seen Liger numerous times in New Japan this year, I miss the excitement around him being in a WWE ring.  This was okay.  If Breeze doesn't get a call up to WWE soon, then he'd probably find a home in New Japan with those kicks.  3*

Blake & Murphy / Vaudevillains
I'm not sure how a tag team called the Vaudevillains, who look like they tie damsels to railway lines in their spare time can be faces, but I'll put that aside.  This was the best showing of English and Gotch.  But I hated two aspects of this match.  Firstly the WWE trope that heels have to slow the match with headlocks and chinlocks, we must have seen about half a dozen of those from Blake & Murphy and it feels so early 90s.  Then I can't get Blue Pants, but I guess the crowd did.  2.5*

Tye Dillinger / Apollo Crews
Uhaa Nation looked awesome on his debut.  Full of charisma and they got the spots in to show what he does.  There's obviously much more to come, but this is a great set up for him.  2.5*

Baron Corbin / Samoa Joe
Someone told me to watch this to see more of Corbin.  I have to admit that he did two good things here.  Firstly, he didn't gas, so it's good to see that he has some conditioning.  And secondly, he sold well, which some of these former footballers sometimes don't want to do.  Beyond that his offence is basic, but he put a submission on Joe and he was perfectly competent.  Joe is pretty much working on cruise control in this match, but he was effective to good.  3.5*

Banks / Bayley
I see people saying this is a MOTY contender, and if you think that, that's great.  I doubt this is going to make my WWE top 10.  There were good elements about this like the story of working the hand and the evolution of Bayley.  But technically I thought this was a step below the Banks / Lynch match, and we had some odd initial pacing and a few botches (the double knee) and I'm just not that into Bayley.  However, they had the crowd fully into this and pulled off a great reverse rana finish.  4*

Owens / Balor
I'm just not that into ladder matches.  But this was one of the better ones, with the ladders used well as part of the story and a couple of great spots with them.  I think my biggest problem here is Balor's connection with me.  It's not there.  I've seen a lot of his work as Prince Devitt and he oozes charisma and is someone you want to get behind, even as a heel.  I don't know if its the Demon thing, or what, but I was behind Owens for the win.  Owens was brilliant, every touch he does, sitting down where Balor did his entrance for example, is spot on his character.  3.5*


In summary. I've seen people who rated this above Summer Slam. I think that is mostly a reaction to the screwy finishes in WWE, and I can see why that grates, but I think (at least for now) the time is gone when NXT is better than WWE just because of all the talent (Neville, Zayn, Owens, the women) who have moved on. But, that's right and how it should be as for me NXT should still primarily be a developmental program.
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Re: WWE NXT Takeover: Brooklyn

Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Tue 08 Sep 2015, 11:51 am

Prometheus wrote:Here's my breakdown.


Banks / Bayley
I see people saying this is a MOTY contender, and if you think that, that's great.  I doubt this is going to make my WWE top 10.  There were good elements about this like the story of working the hand and the evolution of Bayley.  But technically I thought this was a step below the Banks / Lynch match, and we had some odd initial pacing and a few botches (the double knee) and I'm just not that into Bayley.  However, they had the crowd fully into this and pulled off a great reverse rana finish.  4*


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Re: WWE NXT Takeover: Brooklyn

Post by Prometheus on Tue 08 Sep 2015, 11:57 am

Dr Gregory House MD wrote:
Prometheus wrote:Here's my breakdown.


Banks / Bayley
I see people saying this is a MOTY contender, and if you think that, that's great.  I doubt this is going to make my WWE top 10.  There were good elements about this like the story of working the hand and the evolution of Bayley.  But technically I thought this was a step below the Banks / Lynch match, and we had some odd initial pacing and a few botches (the double knee) and I'm just not that into Bayley.  However, they had the crowd fully into this and pulled off a great reverse rana finish.  4*


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I'm not normally one to tell people they're wrong but Frak off Prometheus!

You think this is a MOTY contender? In WWE I'd rate almost all the US title defences above this, for a start. And I definitely enjoyed the Banks / Lynch match more than this. But hey, I gave it 4*. It was good. I just don't think it was great. And I find it really hard to pull for a character who's been 2/3 children's TV presenter in the past. Plus, there's a real weakness in the two main events on this show. We know that Banks and Owens are not winning, they are in WWE now, this is their farewell match. And I mostly put that behind me, but it's there sitting at the back of your mind, like it or not.
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Re: WWE NXT Takeover: Brooklyn

Post by Samo on Tue 08 Sep 2015, 12:54 pm

From a purely technical, wrestling stand point - I would agree with you about Banks/Lynch being a better match. However, the story and build up to this match blows that one out the water. Bayley having to beat all the other women to prove herself worthy of a title shot, the injury being exploited in a brutal (at times) fashion, the little moments where they ALMOST made me believe Banks would retain again.

Sure, there were one or two blown spots, but it was nothing that broke my immersion in the story and ruined it for me. Its certainly in my top 3 WWE/NXT matches of the year and one of the best womans matches I've ever seen.

The reason I rate this higher than the US title challenges is that for the most part, while they've been very decent and produced some great matches they're entirely interchangable. They all followed the same basic formula and theres no one who took part who is in a better position for it other than Kevin Owens and arguably Cesaro.

I believe it was Dr House who said it (or Mr H, sorry if Im misremember): I'd take a 3 star match with a 5 star story of a 5 star match with a 3 star story. I think this analogy perfectly encapsulates the Bayley/Banks match vs the Cena Open Challenges.

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Re: WWE NXT Takeover: Brooklyn

Post by Prometheus on Tue 08 Sep 2015, 1:06 pm

Tastes are going to differ.  And I'm certainly not going to say this was a bad match.  But yeah, I'd take the Zayn / Cena, Neville / Cena, Cesaro / Cena and Owens / Cena matches over this.

Were they entirely interchangable?  Well, my gut response is no (especially Owens), but I get where you are coming from.  However, I could (and arguably here have) watched them over and over, which I really don't think I could say about the Bayley match.  

The crowd obviously thought it was awesome.  I've seen a lot of MOTY contender mentions.  And that's great.  But for me its just not that level.  Still I thought it was MOTN.

Edit: As a side note, who else was in those US title matches. Because saying that Owens and Cesaro are the only ones in a better position doesn't miss much when Zayn was injured and we can argue by virtue of being in the main roster Neville is. I guess that falls back to Rusev, who I'd definitely agree has been knocked right down by the losses to Cena and the subsequent writing, but that's it, isn't it?
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Re: WWE NXT Takeover: Brooklyn

Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Tue 08 Sep 2015, 3:19 pm

Prometheus wrote:
Dr Gregory House MD wrote:
Prometheus wrote:Here's my breakdown.


Banks / Bayley
I see people saying this is a MOTY contender, and if you think that, that's great.  I doubt this is going to make my WWE top 10.  There were good elements about this like the story of working the hand and the evolution of Bayley.  But technically I thought this was a step below the Banks / Lynch match, and we had some odd initial pacing and a few botches (the double knee) and I'm just not that into Bayley.  However, they had the crowd fully into this and pulled off a great reverse rana finish.  4*


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I'm not normally one to tell people they're wrong but Frak off Prometheus!

You think this is a MOTY contender?  In WWE I'd rate almost all the US title defences above this, for a start.  And I definitely enjoyed the Banks / Lynch match more than this.  But hey, I gave it 4*.  It was good.  I just don't think it was great.  And I find it really hard to pull for a character who's been 2/3 children's TV presenter in the past.  Plus, there's a real weakness in the two main events on this show.  We know that Banks and Owens are not winning, they are in WWE now, this is their farewell match.  And I mostly put that behind me, but it's there sitting at the back of your mind, like it or not.  

I was being a tad facetious with my last comment, and I think a lot of the points you made are valid but generally I think I did enjoy the match more than you.

Is it my MOTY? No but I think most puro fans have a clear answer to that question but I seriously would have it near the top if not at the top of my WWE MOTY and I would also say this may be the most 'emotionally satisfying' match of the year.

I am a self confessed Bayley mark, a hugger if you will, and I was big into her story, everything around this match was fantastic, the pre match hype package was among the best WWE have ever done, I marked hard for the entrances particularly Bayley's, and I'm not ashamed to admit I teared up a little after the bell.

In the ring I thought the match was excellent as well, was it as technically proficient as the Lynch match? Perhaps not (though I'd argue the most glaring botch in either match came in that one with the failed catch of the tope) but the action was exciting and told a great story around Bayley's hand.

When all is said and done I really feel this match, with the possible exception of Honma/Ishii, was the most emotionally satisfying match of the year and a strong contender for my top 10 matches of the year, because sometimes a match doesn't need to be the best to be the best of that makes sense.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 08 Sep 2015, 3:34 pm

To me that's the best story NXT has told. It didn't feel self serving, a little bit arrogant or something only the NXT crowd would "get." As much as I loved Owens dismantling Zayn, a feel good story will always win when it comes to best stories if it's levelling out with a heel dominant one.

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Post by Prometheus on Tue 08 Sep 2015, 3:38 pm

If I took a top 10 right now, it'd probably have 8 New Japan matches in.  So, I think come the end of the year I'm probably going to have to have a New Japan and everything else list, or a New Japan, WWE / NXT and everything else list.  And anyone who doesn't have one of the WK9 main events in the top spot just doesn't watch enough wrestling IMO.

Anyhow, moving on.  I too will forgive botches, and I too will be swayed by the personality of the match (e.g. build up, the stakes at play, the crowd intensity).  But, when you are not 100% into it, I think you are going to make a bigger deal that there was a botch, or the hand wasn't sold so well.  Or whatever those who feel as I do that this match was good, but not great are saying.

And that is personal preference.  If I come back to that WWE top 10, I would imagine that this match would be somewhere around 6-8 on my list right now.  I think that there will be better matches still to come, so I don't think it will be there at the end of the year.  But if it is in anyone else's top 10, or really high, that's their preference, I guess I'm just not a hugger.

Moving on from whether this was good or great.  I'm really scared now that unless we get phase 2 of the divas revolution in WWE we have problems.  The contrast between what is offered up by WWE and what NXT has provided is just quite scary.  I think WWE now has to be brave, or it will botch this.  And by brave, WWE has to cut some of its divas from wrestling.  And with Total Divas, I don't see that.  And I just can't see how you can have a good women's / divas division when they are carrying so many who are so limited in the ring.  And as a fan, I'm going to be really disappointed if I'm wishing Becky, Charlotte & Sasha were back in NXT in 6 months time.
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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Tue 08 Sep 2015, 4:10 pm

Prometheus wrote:If I took a top 10 right now, it'd probably have 8 New Japan matches in.  So, I think come the end of the year I'm probably going to have to have a New Japan and everything else list, or a New Japan, WWE / NXT and everything else list.  And anyone who doesn't have one of the WK9 main events in the top spot just doesn't watch enough wrestling IMO.

Anyhow, moving on.  I too will forgive botches, and I too will be swayed by the personality of the match (e.g. build up, the stakes at play, the crowd intensity).  But, when you are not 100% into it, I think you are going to make a bigger deal that there was a botch, or the hand wasn't sold so well.  Or whatever those who feel as I do that this match was good, but not great are saying.

And that is personal preference.  If I come back to that WWE top 10, I would imagine that this match would be somewhere around 6-8 on my list right now.  I think that there will be better matches still to come, so I don't think it will be there at the end of the year.  But if it is in anyone else's top 10, or really high, that's their preference, I guess I'm just not a hugger.

Moving on from whether this was good or great.  I'm really scared now that unless we get phase 2 of the divas revolution in WWE we have problems.  The contrast between what is offered up by WWE and what NXT has provided is just quite scary.  I think WWE now has to be brave, or it will botch this.  And by brave, WWE has to cut some of its divas from wrestling.  And with Total Divas, I don't see that.  And I just can't see how you can have a good women's / divas division when they are carrying so many who are so limited in the ring.  And as a fan, I'm going to be really disappointed if I'm wishing Becky, Charlotte & Sasha were back in NXT in 6 months time.

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Post by Samo on Tue 08 Sep 2015, 5:30 pm

Prometheus wrote:
Moving on from whether this was good or great.  I'm really scared now that unless we get phase 2 of the divas revolution in WWE we have problems.  The contrast between what is offered up by WWE and what NXT has provided is just quite scary.  I think WWE now has to be brave, or it will botch this.  And by brave, WWE has to cut some of its divas from wrestling.  And with Total Divas, I don't see that.  And I just can't see how you can have a good women's / divas division when they are carrying so many who are so limited in the ring.  And as a fan, I'm going to be really disappointed if I'm wishing Becky, Charlotte & Sasha were back in NXT in 6 months time.

They need to ditch this whole team thing as soon as possible in my opinion. Im kinda hoping Paige will turn against Charlotte to split up that team. They two can feud for a bit, Banks can feud with the Bellas and Naomi can go after Becky Lynch.

If Charlotte wins the belt, hopefully they drop the Diva schtick.

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