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Post by LondonTiger on Tue 25 Aug 2015, 9:30 am

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Re: Eng v Aus - Limited Overs Thread

Post by alfie on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 11:41 am

Waste of a review , rats... Why do they go for those marginal lbws ?

Wasn't even Stuart Broad bowling Smile

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Post by alfie on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 11:45 am

Gooseberry wrote:Theyve started to get some control back...not worth risking RAshid just yet IMO especially as they are generating wicket taking chances with the seamers

Yeah maybe. Certainly I agree about the near chances being created ; but I don't think it would hurt to try Rashid just for a couple of overs - you can always revert.
And I think they need to trust him if he's going to be a mainstay going forward , rather than always see him as a "risk".

Morgan agrees , I think...

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Re: Eng v Aus - Limited Overs Thread

Post by alfie on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 11:53 am

Fielding errors letting Australia off the hook ...second drop for the morning : both pretty catchable , and the dangerous Maxwell the lucky man again.

Might come to regret those .


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Re: Eng v Aus - Limited Overs Thread

Post by LondonTiger on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 12:00 pm

Poor fielding by Dilly

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Re: Eng v Aus - Limited Overs Thread

Post by alfie on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 12:07 pm

Rashid bowling well. But I fear that those two chances have cost England their big chance to get right into this Australian lineup ...

The run rate is OK ; and with these two settled in now the danger is they - and the late order hitters - will go on to the usual (unchaseable) 300.

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Post by guildfordbat on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 1:08 pm

Geeky point but very good decision by Gough to disallow the leg bye off Bailey from Moeen's bowling. That resulted in Marsh being on strike at the start of the next over and him falling to Plunkett.

Australia being 5 wickets down now should peg them back - err, make that 6 down!

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Re: Eng v Aus - Limited Overs Thread

Post by Gooseberry on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 1:29 pm

Its worth remembering that Australai have a severly depleted bowling line up as well. Theres only 3 real out and out front line bowlers, so at least 20 overs from part timers.
Even if Wade can rally the tail and get Aus close to 300 England should have a decent shout at this game.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 1:47 pm

OK not looking so hot now. Been a real topsy turvy innings!

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Re: Eng v Aus - Limited Overs Thread

Post by alfie on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 1:47 pm

Wade and Hastings have ensured it will still be near enough to 300 anyway...

Those wickets were probably too little too late - they can all hit fours and sixes !

Don't like England's chances chasing...

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Post by alfie on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 1:52 pm

Amazing fifty Wade clap

299 it is. Doesn't seem to matter when they lose wickets , the end result is always the same.
Might have been different had Maxwell been caught at the start ; but maybe someone else would have made them anyway.

Three-one it is , then ? Or can England reverse the trend and actually chase the runs ? You should get good odds...

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Post by Duty281 on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 2:03 pm

11/8 that England chase this down, my darling. 4/6 that Australia defend successfully.

I won't be touching either, in all truth. England should chase this down, but they often have a problem with 300 scores.

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 2:31 pm

Very much a win the toss and win series this one.

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Re: Eng v Aus - Limited Overs Thread

Post by Duty281 on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 2:50 pm

Hales gone for nought.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 2:57 pm

So Hales has now cememnted his place as opener for the test team chin

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Re: Eng v Aus - Limited Overs Thread

Post by Gooseberry on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 2:59 pm

Taylor showing hes too short for international bowlers to get him out easily again

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Re: Eng v Aus - Limited Overs Thread

Post by alfie on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:12 pm

Just got back - what have I missed ? Another Hales failure , I see Sad

He is testing my faith , I'm afraid.

But Roy and Taylor seem to be motoring along quite nicely...what has the Aussie bowling been like ?

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Post by king_carlos on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:21 pm

That's very soft and disappointing from Roy. When he starts rotating the strike and getting ball down to third man he is usually there for a match defining innings. Once again he has got in and got out though.

It was still an eye catching knock with a few excellent boundaries but it could have been a lot more than that.

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Post by guildfordbat on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:26 pm

alfie wrote:Just got back - what have I missed ?  Another Hales failure , I see Sad

He is testing my faith , I'm afraid.

But Roy and Taylor seem to be motoring along quite nicely...what has the Aussie bowling been like ?

Hi Alfie - haven't seen it all but would say the bowling has not been top of the shop although not bad. Aggressive batting from both Roy and Taylor although with the odd slice of luck, both could have played on.

With that, Roy then goes and rather softly. If Roy can get it all together, we're going to be in for a treat - even without fully coming off, he's still averaging 49 in this ODI series and at a decent lick.

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Re: Eng v Aus - Limited Overs Thread

Post by wisden on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:27 pm

Aussie bowling hasn;t been great at all... Pattinson is more of a test match bowler IMO...Starc should be playing instead of him..

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Re: Eng v Aus - Limited Overs Thread

Post by Duty281 on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:27 pm

Roy's had a good series - 67, 31, 63, 36 - just a shame that he couldn't convert one of those foundations into a match-winning century.

Hopefully it will come in good time.

England have a good platform here; Taylor and Morgan can afford the time to play themselves in.

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Post by wisden on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:33 pm

Taylor looks in great nick as usual, attack is all basically one pace, too samey from the aussies..

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Re: Eng v Aus - Limited Overs Thread

Post by alfie on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:33 pm

The way Roy plays a hundred from him would be quite something to see !

The problem for England in this series has been a clatter after three are out...let us hope that doesn't happen today. Would be nice to see Stokes get some one day runs for a change...

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Post by wisden on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:35 pm

anyone see the point of the Stoinis selection..?? already a bunch of medium fast bowlers playing, and no frontline spinner, on a track that looked dry..

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Re: Eng v Aus - Limited Overs Thread

Post by guildfordbat on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:36 pm

Duty281 wrote:Roy's had a good series - 67, 31, 63, 36 - just a shame that he couldn't convert one of those foundations into a match-winning century.

Hopefully it will come in good time.

England have a good platform here; Taylor and Morgan can afford the time to play themselves in.

Hi Duty - very much with you. Those sort of figures won't single handedly win a match but they'll significantly contribute to a series victory - or would do if others played their parts better!

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Re: Eng v Aus - Limited Overs Thread

Post by alfie on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:43 pm

Taylor gone . Was a fine catch by Wade !

I shouldn't have come back to watch. If it goes to form it's all downhill from here...

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Post by wisden on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:43 pm

Taylor goes for 41....real shame that

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Re: Eng v Aus - Limited Overs Thread

Post by eirebilly on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:44 pm

Taylor has been in some form, shame he is gone. Mogs still has a hell of a job to do.
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Post by SimonofSurrey on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:47 pm

[quote="alfie"]The way Roy plays a hundred from him would be quite something to see !

Indeed it is. A couple of years ago he was doing for Surrey what he's doing now for England: promising cameos which rarely led to bigger things as he found dumb and frustrating ways to get himself out - he was rarely genuinely dismissed. Now he's become a much more mature player in all forms of the game. This season he's averaging almost 50 at a strike rate over 90 in the four day game, while his 100 against Kent in the RLODC, for example, was an all-round masterclass in dominant fast-scoring strokeplay with only occasional violent blows.

If England stick with him he could - and has the raw talent to - become one of the best top of the order one-day players in the world.

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Post by guildfordbat on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:48 pm

Trouble!

Taylor goes to a fine catch by Wade off Marsh. As well as getting across quickly to the leg side clip, the keeper did well to hold onto the ball when his catching arm hit the deck.

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Re: Eng v Aus - Limited Overs Thread

Post by Duty281 on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:49 pm

guildfordbat wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Roy's had a good series - 67, 31, 63, 36 - just a shame that he couldn't convert one of those foundations into a match-winning century.

Hopefully it will come in good time.

England have a good platform here; Taylor and Morgan can afford the time to play themselves in.

Hi Duty - very much with you. Those sort of figures won't single handedly win a match but they'll significantly contribute to a series victory - or would do if others played their parts better!

Indeed. And now Taylor's gone in a similar way.

England might be quick enough, but they may not have enough wickets to complete the chase.

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Post by guildfordbat on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:51 pm

Simon and Carlos - good comments but I was expecting to bump into you both on the Celebration thread! Very Happy Wink

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Post by eirebilly on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:53 pm

I really rate Mog's but i never feel overly confident while he is batting in a chase. No basis of fact for my feeling but its there.
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Post by alfie on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:53 pm

eirebilly wrote:Taylor has been in some form, shame he is gone. Mogs still has a hell of a job to do.

Hey , eirebilly ... Nice to see you back on the cricket board OK

Has been a while ...Hoping for a Morgan master class ?

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Post by eirebilly on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 3:55 pm

How are ya alfie?

Been away a while but good to be back.
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Post by eirebilly on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 4:06 pm

Mog's looking very uneasy out there and he is starting to put pressure on himself and Stokes.
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Post by alfie on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 4:11 pm

eirebilly wrote:How are ya alfie?

Been away a while but good to be back.

All good here...first day that Melbourne has actually looked like it is Spring this year ; which helps to lift the spirits.
I don't usually bother to stay up too late for these ODIs , but as it is the weekend ... I hope they make this chase into one worth watching !
I do think Mogs probably needs to bat fairly long if England are to get these : not sure I trust many of the last six to make more than a quick thirty or so...though I'd love to see Stokes prove me wrong.

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Post by eirebilly on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 4:15 pm

Good to hear alfie.

Its going to be a close chase and i do hope that Mog's pulls something out of the hat.
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Post by trebellbobaggins on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 4:46 pm

Billy! long time no see mate.

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Post by alfie on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 4:50 pm

Fifty for Morgan clap

So far so good. As the TV crew have just reminded us , wheels have tended to come off the chasing team around this stage of the innings in the first three matches ; so this next few overs are perhaps quite important.
They don't really have to race ; just keep the score ticking along and not lose wickets...but there goes Stokes ! Good ball..

Three players now got going and didn't go on...

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Post by eirebilly on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 4:53 pm

Trebs me auld mukka, you still doing your thing on here?

England are in some trouble here.
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Post by alfie on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 4:54 pm

I think that wicket makes Australia favourites again , given the way England's later order has performed in this series.
But another decent partnership could change that. I see WASP doesn't think much of England's chances now...

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 4:57 pm

eirebilly wrote:Trebs me auld mukka, you still doing your thing on here?

England are in some trouble here.

Not so often these days Billy but I try to look in.

How are you?

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Post by eirebilly on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 4:58 pm

Mog's is well set now so should step the tempo up a bit. Try not to put too much pressure on the remaining batsmen to score the runs.
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Post by eirebilly on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 4:59 pm

Still living the life here Trebs. Going to move to England soon, herself is there now looking for a house for us.

How's things in your world?
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Post by alfie on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 5:02 pm

Trebs is being too modest : his magic still works. England might not have won the Ashes had it not been for a couple of timely interventions Smile

Mogs taking your advice , billy...

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Post by eirebilly on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 5:05 pm

Ahh, i do miss the auld Trebs interventions Wink

Get in Mogs
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Post by trebellbobaggins on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 5:12 pm

eirebilly wrote:Still living the life here Trebs. Going to move to England soon, herself is there now looking for a house for us.

How's things in your world?

oo. where are you moving to Billy? Is it for work?

Alfie.. I wouldn't go that far lol.


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Post by eirebilly on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 5:14 pm

Moving to Southport Trebs.

Mogs looking good now.
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Post by alfie on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 5:14 pm

Couple of good overs for England there...

WASP has had a quick change of heart - 73% !

Certainly won't be any Duckworth Lewis today anyway...looks a very pleasant evening.

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Post by trebellbobaggins on Fri 11 Sep 2015, 5:15 pm

eirebilly wrote:Moving to Southport Trebs.

Mogs looking good now.

Must admit I've never been up there, I've been to the NE but never across to that area.

Hope it goes well mate.

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