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Post by Welly on Fri 04 Sep 2015, 3:07 pm

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2015/16 Senior Squad ATM:
Coaches: Cockerill (DOR), Mauger (HC), Hansen (Defence + Skills Coach), Blaze (Ass. Forwards), Murphy (Ass. Backs)
1/3) Ayerza, Balmain, Brugnara, Cole, Mulipola, Pasquali, Rizzo
2) Youngs, Ghiraldini, Bateman, Thacker
4/5) De Chaves, Fitzgerald, Kitchener, Slater
6/7/8) Crane, Croft, Fonua, McCaffrey, O'Connor, Pearce, Williams
9) Harrison, Kitto, Youngs
10) Burns, Williams
12/13) Bai, Loamanu, Roberts, Smith, Tuilagi
11/14) Benjamin, Betham, Camacho, Goneva, Thompstone,
15) Bell, Morris, Tait

2015/16 Development Squad: Oliver Byrant, Jake Farnworth, George Tresidder,  Will Owen

2015/16
Greg Bateman (Exeter)
Mike Williams (Warriors)
Mike Fitzgerald (Chiefs)
Opeti Fonua (Welsh)
Brendon O'Connor (Blues)
Peter Betham (NSW Waratahs)
Lachlan McCaffrey (London Welsh)
Jono Kitto (Bay of Plenty + Cheifs Development Squad)

Transfers Out 2014/15:
Paul Burke (N/A)
Phil Blake (N/A)
Neil McCarthy (Glous)
Tom Price (Scarlets)
Geoff Parling (Exeter)
Neil Briggs (Sale)
Julien Salvi (Exeter)
Pohe (USC)
Brad Thorn (Retirement)
Peterson (Glasgow)
Hamilton (Coventry)
Bristow (Wasps)
R.Williams (?)
Whetton
Hepetema (BoP)
Allen (Retirement)


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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by SirBurger on Tue 31 May 2016, 10:09 pm

I was under the impression that academy players couldn't be approached by other clubs unless they had been released?

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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by Welly on Tue 31 May 2016, 10:39 pm

SirBurger wrote:I was under the impression that academy players couldn't be approached by other clubs unless they had been released?

Obviously not the case i guess.

Prob some loophole.

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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by Margin_Walker on Tue 31 May 2016, 10:45 pm

Leat wasn't offered a contract by LI.

Sounds like Umaga was by Tigers though, so not quite sure if there's any element of compensation involved or not.

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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by Welly on Tue 31 May 2016, 10:48 pm

Margin_Walker wrote:Leat wasn't offered a contract by LI.

Sounds like Umaga was by Tigers though, so not quite sure if there's any element of compensation involved or not.

Guess it depends if Umaga was out of contract coming into this summer.

(Say tigers gave him a 2 year academy deal @ 15)

Either way leaves a bit of a nasty taste in your mouth that at that age money is starting to be a factor if true. (Which from what I gather is true).

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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by Margin_Walker on Tue 31 May 2016, 10:54 pm

Welly wrote:
Margin_Walker wrote:Leat wasn't offered a contract by LI.

Sounds like Umaga was by Tigers though, so not quite sure if there's any element of compensation involved or not.

Guess it depends if Umaga was out of contract coming into this summer.

(Say tigers gave him a 2 year academy deal @ 15)

Either way leaves a bit of a nasty taste in your mouth that at that age money is starting to be a factor if true. (Which from what I gather is true).

Pretty sure he wouldn't have been tied into any contact. Just know that in some sports (football for example) nominal compensation is paid for a player under a certain age poached by another team (even out of contract). A kind of development fee.

I'm guessing it won't be the case here though.

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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by Welly on Tue 31 May 2016, 10:56 pm

Don't know it is the first time i have heard of a 17 year old being poached as opposed to released and picked up.

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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by formerly known as Sam on Wed 01 Jun 2016, 4:06 pm

Hearing the issues surrounding London Scottish and how they've been left in the lurch by the SRU is it a chance for us to come to the rescue and get a number of our promising players game time this season?

Also having a base in London where we could send a coach to help out (one of the Deacon brothers?) and do some community work. Might improve our image down there and we might be able to talent spot some young talent and fast track them up to the Midlands.

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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by Welly on Wed 01 Jun 2016, 4:39 pm

I don't know if that is something we want to Touch TBH.

London scottish are wanting more the funding now as the players had been contracted already.

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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by formerly known as Sam on Wed 01 Jun 2016, 4:42 pm

Fair point we don't want to be offering funds just players. From what I understood the SRU were organising loan deals from the Scottish clubs in order to get fringe players game time. They were also sending some coaches down to help develop the regime at LS as well as give the coaches development chances. We could offer similar to that but if they need money we're best staying out as you say.

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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by king_carlos on Wed 01 Jun 2016, 10:39 pm

Craner has been awarded a testimonial by Tigers for next season despite moving to Brizz. A great gesture by the club to a player whose departure has been dealt with excellently by all sides involved.

Much deserved! clap clap

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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by formerly known as Sam on Wed 01 Jun 2016, 11:00 pm

From what I heard on the radio he didn't really mention the club very much. He mentioned the committee an awful lot. I hope the club do back it and look after him, it would be a nice thing to do for someone who never could be accused of lacking commitment or not loving the club (you only had to hear his pre game comments vs Saints etc).

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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by Welly on Wed 01 Jun 2016, 11:05 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:From what I heard on the radio he didn't really mention the club very much. He mentioned the committee an awful lot. I hope the club do back it and look after him, it would be a nice thing to do for someone who never could be accused of lacking commitment or not loving the club (you only had to hear his pre game comments vs Saints etc).

The committee is the club.


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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 02 Jun 2016, 11:29 am

Ah OK. I thought the committee would be some players who were organising it for him. I suppose plans were in place before the Bristol deal came up. Good to see the club supporting him.

Any idea when our released list is coming out?

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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by Welly on Thu 02 Jun 2016, 7:54 pm

He has an official account now for the testimonial. Really nice to see TBH.

Have no idea when the released and Academy list come out soon i guess.

Saints
Quins
Wasps
Sarries

Have so far announced Academy players.

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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 02 Jun 2016, 8:05 pm

It's not just the academy, there's the development and some queries over what fringe players we'll keep etc. Be interesting to know how much shopping we've left to do or announce.

Agree really nice to see Crane getting a testimonial, he's definitely earn it. I'm sure a lot of the female fans will be feeling ng forward to the ladies night he promised on the radio.

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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by Welly on Thu 02 Jun 2016, 8:20 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:It's not just the academy, there's the development and some queries over what fringe players we'll keep etc. Be interesting to know how much shopping we've left to do or announce.

Agree really nice to see Crane getting a testimonial, he's definitely earn it. I'm sure a lot of the female fans will be feeling ng forward to the ladies night he promised on the radio.

Development is senior Academy just branded differently.

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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by king_carlos on Thu 02 Jun 2016, 8:50 pm

Am I correct in saying that Aguero, Brugnara and Sio are now the only senior squad players out of contract who haven't been announced as leaving?

Ghiraldini (Toulouse)
Van Vurren (Bath)
Pasquali (Treviso)
Seb De Chaves (LI)
Pearce (Sale)
Crane (Brizz)
Bai (retiring)
JDV (retiring)
Goneva (Falcons)
Benjamin (retired)
Camacho (released)
Loamanu (released)
Morris (released)
Bell (LI)

Plus Tressider moving onto Rotheram from the development squad.

It isn't anything official but Crowson is usually pretty bang on and in his recent preview of our front row resources for next season he lists:

Front Row line-up: Dan Cole, Fraser Balmain, Pat Cilliers, Tom Youngs, Greg Bateman, Harry Thacker, George McGuigan, Marcos Ayerza, Logovi'I Mulipola, Ellis Genge, Michele Rizzo.

As said it's nothing set in stone but he usually knows what's happening and he doesn't list Aguero, Brugnara or Sio. It would make sense for them to be leaving due to Rizzo coming back (Aguero) and lack of game time/Genge/Hills coming through (Brugnara and Sio).

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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by Welly on Thu 02 Jun 2016, 8:52 pm

Brugnara is signed up I believe.
Aguero likely off
sio prob off.

Hills might be off to.

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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 02 Jun 2016, 9:02 pm

I thought development was branded differently as they pass the age where by they qualify as part of the salary cap? Academy players only counting if they play more than a set number of games.

As we've seen nothing of Sio I suspect he's off.

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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by Welly on Thu 02 Jun 2016, 9:11 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:I thought development was branded differently as they pass the age where by they qualify as part of the salary cap? Academy players only counting if they play more than a set number of games.

As we've seen nothing of Sio I suspect he's off.

Nope

Senior Academy/Development is just the name given to those who fall under this:
**Academy Cap: The Academy Cap of £100,000 is for all Academy Players under the age of 24 years old and earning less than £30,000 Salary. Note: A Player's Salary Cap status is irrelevant in relation to dual registration. A Home Grown Academy Player's Salary shall not be counted in the £100,000.

All Junior Academy players (U18) automatically fall into the second point Home Grown academy player.

It is why teams technically can sign 21 and 24 year olds to an senior academy contract (e.g. Glous with Purdy and Meakes, or Us and Sio and how Sio joined into our development squad)

Just most teams have a clear out @ 21 as they will have a good idea on the potential etc.




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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by Welly on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 12:35 pm

So def off in the development squad
Odogwu
Beckett
Povoas
Tresidder

So far we have left:
Bryant
Worth
Evans
Freddie
Douglas
Farnworth
Galletly
Hills
Hogan
Maksymiw
Murrin
Nairn
Owen
Priestley-Nangle
Thacker


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Re: Leicester Tigers Thread 2015/16 A New Beginning Part 1

Post by formerly known as Sam on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 12:53 pm

Beckett isn't a surprise as he's switching positions and needs to go away and work on that. Odogwu is a shame but the other two have failed to break through and probably need to move on for their careers.

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