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Bangladesh-A and South Africa in India

Post by KP_fan on Tue 08 Sep 2015, 1:54 pm

First topic message reminder :

In preparation for the South Africans, BCCI has invited BD-A.

and banglas have reciprocated "the honor" of being invited to India finally, the only country where they have not played a test match.....by sending a full strength international side as their A side.


It is being reported Kohli and Dhoni will play the ODIs vs BD-A , which are likely to be serious games...
and we are likely to see most of India ODI and test players warm up in these 5 games vs, BD-A

also India plays 5 ODIs/ T20s vs SA before the tests start...so there will be ample of orientation time.
Good Move by BCCI OK



Bangladesh A in India 2015 September 8, 2015 Mominul to lead strong Bangladesh A squadMOHAMMAD ISAM 14  Facebook Twitter 34 shares
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File photo: Mominul Haque will captain a 15-man Bangladesh A team, 14 of whom have played international cricket ©️ AFP
Mominul Haque will lead a strong Bangladesh A team for their tour to India later this month. The 15-member squad consists of 14 internationals including Al-Amin Hossain, who has been out of representative cricket since the World Cup.

"Its my first tour abroad as a captain so looking ahead to make it memorable," Mominul told ESPNcricinfo. "It wont be easy considering we will be playing against the Indians at their own backyard but I am confident that we can put up a good show considering our strength. I think we have got an experienced squad and it will be good for our preparation ahead of the series against Australia."

Saqlain Sajib, the left-arm spinner, is the only uncapped player in the squad and it is learned that he was picked as cover for Taijul Islam, who has been given two weeks' rest to recover from jaundice.

Bangladesh A tour of India
Sept 16 - 1st one-dayer v India A, Bangalore
Sept 18 - 2nd one-dayer v India A, Bangalore
Sept 20 - 3rd one-dayer v India A, Bangalore
Sept 22-24 - Three-day match v Karnataka, Mysore
Sept 27-29 - Three day match v India A, Bangalore
Al-Amin, who was sent home from Australia in February after a disciplinary breach, is one of four seamers in the team. Taskin Ahmed has been passed fit and will likely play multi-day cricket for the first time in over two years when Bangladesh A meet India A and Ranji Trophy champions Karnataka in Bangalore and Mysore. Rubel Hossain and Shafiul Islam complete the quartet.

Anamul Haque, who lost his place in the senior side after injuring his shoulder in the World Cup, has been included in the A team while Soumya Sarkar, Liton Das and Sabbir Rahman are some of the other upcoming batsmen who have played international cricket in this team.

Nasir Hossain and Mominul are the senior batsmen in the side, and Shuvagata Hom, who last played the solitary Test against India, is one of the batting allrounders in the side.

Bangladesh A squad: Anamul Haque, Rony Talukdar, Liton Das, Sabbir Rahman, Soumya Sarker, Mominul Hoque (capt), Nasir Hossain, Saqlain Sajib, Arafat Sunny, Rubel Hossain, Shafiul Islam, Al-Amin Hossain, Taskin Ahmed, Shuvagata Hom, Jubair Hossain.

Mohammad Isam is ESPNcricinfo's Bangladesh correspondent. @isam84

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Post by kingraf on Sun 18 Oct 2015, 8:22 pm

Should really have the series sealed by now, but I like the progress.
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Post by msp83 on Sun 18 Oct 2015, 8:41 pm

Disappointing performance from India yet again. The bowlers came back well to restrict South Africa to 270, but the batting just couldn't get going. Rohit Sharma started slowly and then picked but got out just when he was shifting gears, Mahendra Singh Dhoni started well but lost steam in between and couldn't get his side over the line. Virat Kohli registered a score of substance first time in almost 10 games, but it was an innings where he never looked in control. It was a pale shadow of the player who used to be the best chaser in the world. Rahana and Raina failed, Raina has just not contributed anything at all in this series, and I believe it is time to bring in Gurkirat Singh Man for the next game. Perhaps even Manish Pandey or even a leftfield choice in young Shreyas Iyer in place of Rahane too. We do need a more versatile batsman....... And Ravindra Jadeja in place of Axar Patel. Of course Patel took 3 wickets in the 2nd game, but Jadeja is a better bowler and batsman and fielder. His shoulder is fine now and he has to be back.......

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Post by msp83 on Mon 19 Oct 2015, 3:21 pm

Indian squad announced for the first 2 tests. Ravindra Jadeja comes back in, and Harbhajan Singh is dropped. Ishant Sharma picked despite him not eligible for selection. Ravichandran Ashwin also picked though he won't be fit for the remainder of the ODI series. Stuart Binny is retained, so is Varun Aaron. There is a 16 man squad for a home test.......
Can't understand what Binny would be doing in the test squad, let him play Ranji for Karnataka, he who is useless as an international cricketer as such, doesn't add any value to the test side in Indian conditions anyways, and in Jadeja, there is a proper bowler who can bat to cover for Binny who can't bat or bowl. Also wonder what they are going to do with a 16 man squad for a home test. Perhaps they are concerned about the injuries to Ashwin and Ishant, but even then.......

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Post by Fernando on Mon 19 Oct 2015, 7:17 pm

The International Cricket Council (ICC) today announced that it has withdrawn Aleem Dar from the remaining matches in the ongoing India versus South Africa series.

Aleem, a member of the Elite Panel of ICC Umpires, had officiated in the first three One-Day Internationals (ODIs) and was also scheduled to umpire in the fourth and fifth ODIs in Chennai and Mumbai on 22 and 25 October, respectively.

The ICC has made the decision following Monday’s incident in Mumbai where a group of extremists stormed the Board of Control for Cricket in India offices, and threatened to prevent the umpire from standing in the fifth ODI on Sunday.

“Under the present circumstances, it will be unreasonable to expect from Aleem that he will be able to perform his duties to the best of his abilities. As such, he has been withdraw and his replacement will be announced in due course,” an ICC spokesman said.

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Re: Bangladesh-A and South Africa in India

Post by KP_fan on Mon 19 Oct 2015, 9:54 pm

Dhoni loses a limited over game...again

carrying dead load of Raina....and abusing Rahane by moving him all over the line up
CI reports Patil & Co. summoned Dhoni...and "discussed" the under performance....and that of not using Rahane appropriately.

The Problem as I said umpteen times earlier...is Dhoni's absolute lack of understanding....bowlers can also be used to win matches....

Dhoni uses them all as stock to limit the scoring,...and all the time is chasing huge totals

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Re: Bangladesh-A and South Africa in India

Post by KP_fan on Mon 19 Oct 2015, 10:03 pm

Test Squad.....Jadeja went back to doing what got him in the team in the first place...stop toading on the Dhoni / CSK line and let his bat and balll do the talking in FC cricket......and selectors proved diligent, honest and showed no agenda....brought him back immediately.

Binny..has proved his worth and Lanka in T1 and T2...and definitely will be persisted in the squad...although may not play in Indian conditions

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Post by LondonTiger on Mon 19 Oct 2015, 10:38 pm

Fernando wrote:The International Cricket Council (ICC) today announced that it has withdrawn Aleem Dar from the remaining matches in the ongoing India versus South Africa series.

Aleem, a member of the Elite Panel of ICC Umpires, had officiated in the first three One-Day Internationals (ODIs) and was also scheduled to umpire in the fourth and fifth ODIs in Chennai and Mumbai on 22 and 25 October, respectively.

The ICC has made the decision following Monday’s incident in Mumbai where a group of extremists stormed the Board of Control for Cricket in India offices, and threatened to prevent the umpire from standing in the fifth ODI on Sunday.

“Under the present circumstances, it will be unreasonable to expect from Aleem that he will be able to perform his duties to the best of his abilities. As such, he has been withdraw and his replacement will be announced in due course,” an ICC spokesman said.

Just read about this elsewhere. Shocking really and actually very sad.

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Post by KP_fan on Tue 20 Oct 2015, 8:42 am

Yes that's atrocious string of events in India ongoing currently Sad
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Re: Bangladesh-A and South Africa in India

Post by msp83 on Tue 20 Oct 2015, 9:20 pm

Not just Aleem Dar, Akram and Aktar have backed out from commentary duties. Not that they would be missed as commentators, but missing the best umpire in the world in a series where umpiring standards hasn't been of the highest quality is bad for the game as such. But moving beyond the game, this is just atrocious and shameful for a pluralist democratic society like India.

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Post by msp83 on Tue 20 Oct 2015, 9:26 pm

So you have a problem with Rahane being moved about in the batting lineup, KPF? Perhaps you should revisit some of your posts when Rahane was being shoved around by Kohli-Shastri to put Rohit Sharma in a comfort zone. You were haling the 'Flexible Strategy' then? There were reports that India's test skipper, who proclaimed that there is no batting position that owned by anyone, acting up as he wanted to bat at 3 and not at 4. Rahane was batting well at 3, but since Kohli wanted to bat at 3, Rahane had to be pushed around. It is unfortunate that Rahane has to deal with all that, but its Kohli and not Dhoni who has to be blamed for most of it. MS is at fault that he isn't able to make Kohli see reason. Perhaps he was trying to make India's 2nd best ODI batsman get into a comfort zone as the side would need him to fire sooner rather than later and Virat did make some runs in the last game........ But Kohli should learn to be consistent with his words, can't have different positions when he's captain and when he's not.
Think to avoid all these confusion, let MS just focus on his batting, relieve him of the captaincy, and let Kohli take charge....... Kohli isn't really adjusting to the 2 captain situation. MS isn't coming back to lead the test side, Kohli or Ashwin are the only realistic choices for an all format responsibility. So just leave it to Kohli....... Otherwise his personality and attitude will undermine himself, the limited overs captain and the side.......

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Post by msp83 on Tue 20 Oct 2015, 9:31 pm

On Raina, think KPF and I would be on the same page, its time the batting lineup is restructured. Gurkirat should surely play in place of Raina in the next 2 games. There is no suitable replacements for Rahane, so he should be told to get on with it at number 4, and he has to take his chances. Kohli wants to bat 3, MS, at this stage of his career, is best at 4, but between him and Rahane, it is the captain who can make the adjustment to play at 5 more effectively.
They should have had Jadeja back for the last 2 ODIs.......

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Post by KP_fan on Tue 20 Oct 2015, 9:55 pm

msp83 wrote:So you have a problem with Rahane being moved about in the batting lineup, KPF? Perhaps you should revisit some of your posts when Rahane was being shoved around by Kohli-Shastri to put Rohit Sharma in a comfort zone.

they won ? didn't they
you can get away doing most things if you win Wink
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Re: Bangladesh-A and South Africa in India

Post by KP_fan on Wed 21 Oct 2015, 11:51 am

Patil & Co. pick out a young player on potential with X-FACTOR
This had died in the Dhoni Era.....who doesn't like new raw talent to work with....doesn't like pace......and doesn't like anyone who he hasn't had the evidence would be able to work with on personal comfort levels

Shastri and Kohli has given ample evidence of working with raw talent...like the Ganguly era

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Until this morning, Nathu Singh, a 20-year old fast bowler playing his maiden first-class season for Rajasthan, believed that his greatest sign of success was being called ‘India’s fast bowling future’ by Glenn McGrath at the MRF Pace Foundation.
Then this morning, that sign of success changed to something more substantial. Into something more to do with the present than future. On Monday morning, Nathu Singh was picked by Sandeep Patil in the Board President’s XI squad that will play the South Africans before the four-match Test series starting next month. Patil believed the boy had ‘the X-Factor’ that selectors always search for.
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Not bad for a lad whose career has spanned all of three Ranji Trophy matches.
Nathu, for his part, has to pinch himself to believe that any of this is actually taking place. “Today a (Rajasthan) teammate called up and said ‘congratulations’. ‘What for?’ I asked. He informed me about my selection and I told him that please don’t joke about such matters. It’s not possible but then I was a bit curious and checked the internet. I found my name and couldn’t believe it. It’s yet to sink in,” Nathu said.
While Nathu has 11 wickets in the Ranji season so far (including a 7/87 against Delhi), Patil claimed that it wasn’t his ability to pick wickets that impressed him.
“We are always looking at something special. Selectors’ job is not only to go by the scoresheets otherwise the statisticians would have done a better job,” he said. “For last three years, we have been watching all the home games. We always try to find extra talent and extra spark and we saw some glimpse in Nathu Singh and we want to give him an opportunity.”
The men responsible for shaping him at the MRF Pace Foundation would like say ‘I told you so’. He was the cause for much hope in the Batch for 2015, the first batch that McGrath headed along with chief bowling coach, Senthilnathan.
In a recent interview with the Indian Express, Senthilnathan had said: “He averages around 140 kmph in a spell. And in a five-over spell, he can even touch 145 kmph a few deliveries… He has the speed and control to succeed. He can definitely bowl quicker and can generate good speeds more consistently.”
It didn’t end there. “Generally it is difficult to perfect a yorker and slower one but Nathu has both,” Senthilnathan had said. “He is the brightest prospect for the country.”
All that hasn’t gone to his head. And neither has his selection for the tour game against the South Africans. “My job is to bowl fast and pick wickets. And do whatever the captain tells me. I am not thinking about bowling to AB de Villiers or when the India cap is coming. That would be putting too much pressure on myself,” he said
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Nathu Singh,
Age: 20, Team: Rajasthan
It’s not uncommon for young tearaways to have tattoos. It’s, however, not common for them to ink the text ‘Mom Dad ‘ on their body. It’s also uncommon to have Indian boys bowling around 140 kmph. Say hello to the surprise of this summer – 20-year old Nathu Singh who promises to be the great big hope from Rajasthan.
Not many have seen him yet but those who have are filled with hope. Like the chief coach of MRF Pace Academy Senthilnathan and Glenn McGrath, the head coach. “He averages around 140 kmph in a spell. And in a five-over spell, he can even touch 145 kmph a few deliveries,” Senthilnathan says.
The reason for the tattoo on the inner part of his left arm seems self evident. Undeterred by the lack of finances — the father sweats it out in a wire factory in Jaipur — he pushed his son to play cricket.
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“It was really difficult for my father to allow me to play cricket. But then he sacrificed a lot and helped me enroll in an academy in Sikkar. Whatever I am now is because of my mother and father. And that is why I got this tattoo done,” says Nathu.
It all had started with tennis ball cricket when the eyes of a relative fell on him.“I was in eighth standard and must be around 12 years when I used to play with the tennis ball. One of my relatives told my father that I should join leather ball cricket and make me join a club. And my father pushed me to join.”
Finances weren’t the only obstacle for the youngster. Nathu says he had to deal with favoritism in his hometown.
“I used to play in Jaipur as a kid and once made it into the city’s u-16 side. I bowled really well and picked up a few wickets. But I played just one game because the team picked experienced bowlers over me and I never got a chance again in that season. So I desperately wanted to join an academy and the coach here advised me to go to Sikkar,” Nathu explains.
Shifting to Sikkar from Jaipur proved a blessing as he came under the supervision of the secretary Subash Joshi who encouraged him and the subsequent performances helped him earn a Zonal call, which eventually led to a stint in the National Cricket Academy in Bangalore last year.
At the NCA, he ran into Venkatesh Prasad, former India bowler, who further egged him on to continue bowling fast. Soon, a stint at MRF Pace Foundation came along, and where he impressed McGrath and Senthilnathan with his control.
Sharp and nippy
At a test conducted in the pace foundation, Nathu clocked 140kmph regularly. “Nathu is a bright prospect for the country,” Senthilnathan says. “He has the speed and control to succeed. He can definitely bowl quicker and can generate good speeds more consistently. He is sharp and nippy. Generally it is difficult to perfect a yorker and slower one but Nathu has both.”
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Post by msp83 on Wed 21 Oct 2015, 7:34 pm

Who was Indian captain when Virat Kohli, fresh from the U 19 world cup, not without a long first class career, was picked for the Indian team?
Nathu of course is an exciting talent, hope he will build a long and successful international career. And hope he continues to bowl fast and stay fit.......

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Post by KP_fan on Wed 21 Oct 2015, 9:54 pm

msp83 wrote:Who was Indian captain when Virat Kohli, fresh from the U 19 world cup, not without a long first class career, was picked for the Indian team?

he wasn't bad, actually quite honest..... when he started...but quite soon IPL / srini/ captaincy/ stardom.....made him lose his head.....hubris, favoritism took over his functioning......and with that came a complete disregard for test matches, selectors and team interest.
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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 8:02 am

Hopefully Kohli will gain some confidence from the runs he managed in the last game.

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Post by KP_fan on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 9:10 am

everyone knows Dhoni's is a sinking boat and he will be gone sooner than later.....so real gelled effort as a team will start only after new captain comes in.

India batting first....no Gurkeerat still....with Raina struggling......a positive proactive , non agenda captain would have brought in the exciting Gurkeerat
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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 9:31 am

Agree, Gurkirat should have played....... Would be interesting to see where would Rahane bat. Think with him playing and Raina struggling, the only way is for MS to bat 5, Rahane 4 and Raina 6.
Hope Amit Mishra won't be affected by his offfield issues.......

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 9:33 am

Sharma out early, he had given India a quickish start but is cut short on 21.

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 9:58 am

Rahane in at 4 this time, as India find themselves in trouble at 41-2 in the 10th over. Kohli still there, they now will have to rebuild.

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 10:22 am

Kohli taking Phangis on , and as there is not much pressure from the other end, Imran Tahir too isn't able to keep the batsmen in check. South Africa missing Morkel clearly, and even JP Duminy for that matter.......

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 10:28 am

Rahane has moved along to 20 quickly, now is the time he usually gets bogged down. He has to keep going, Kohli is maintaining a fine tempo to his innings, up to Rahane to keep the singles going so that there is no pressure on himself or Kohli....... This is the crucial part of his ODI game that Rahane has come short previously, he has to certainly improve on that front if he has to earn his spot in the ODI team.

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 10:29 am

From 19 of 23, Rahane has slowed down to 25 of 36. He needs to pick up.......

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 10:31 am

Kohli reaches 50.

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 10:37 am

AB brings his seamers back on and Rahane gets going again with a bit of innovation. Rather risky, but it came off for Rahane, he's a much better player of pace as an ODI cricketer.......

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 10:44 am

Perhaps AB should bring 1 of his spinners back, Rahane is a lot more comfortable to keep things going v pace.

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 11:06 am

Rahane goes, yet another decent innings that isn't converted to something big. Out for 45 this time, Steyn gets the breakthrough for SA.
Raina, and not Dhoni in at 5. Dreadful series so far for Raina, he most certainly needs runs today.......

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Post by KP_fan on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 11:24 am

Kohli and Rahane are India's two best batsman in allforms.
While on patta pitches Rohit may bash hundreds in limited over formats......on decent pithces even in limited over he is a 20s and 30s batsman
dhawan better than Rohit but less consistent.

we need a new captain...with fresh ideas, aggressive approach, who knows how to use bowlers also to win matches.......and I wouldn't mind putting Vijay and Pujara in the ODIs
an also try likes of Gurkeerat...bring back jadhav who did so well....keep Pandey and Ryadu in the frame.

b.lood.y Dhoni can't get his nose beyond raina
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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 11:33 am

Singles are flowing now, though Raina hasn't looked entirely comfortable yet.

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Post by KP_fan on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 11:50 am

Kohli....100....with a six....form is temporary and class is permanent.
Kohli is class and so is Rahane
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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 12:17 pm

Kohli is proven as a classy ODI player, Rahane isn't There is a difference in there. MS and Kohli are India's best ODI batsmen and they are among the best in the world. The rest of them aren't in that class, and Rahane has to do a lot more to even catch up with the likes of Dhawan and Rohit. Rahane along with Kohli and Pujara are India's best bet in tests, Rahane can be a good ODI player as well, but he needs to get his game into a better shape for that.......

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 12:26 pm

Kohli seems to be cramping up a bit. Not the best signs for India in the closing overs.
Raina reaches 50, but isn't able to get after Steyn much.

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Post by KP_fan on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 12:28 pm

Dhoni WAS a good batsman but lost his reflexes and hitting power.
his stats are boosted by his ability to allow himself to bat in best/ easy situations......give himself n.outs...and grossly inflated on patta tracks.

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 12:44 pm

Well, that's just nonsense KPF, if you think Ajinkya Rahane is a better ODI batsman than Mahendra Singh Dhoni! Dhoni has taken on all sorts of responsibilities, finishing games isn't easy, and though he did have lots of success batting up the order, he has always taken on responsibility and did the difficult job. Even today, he has gone down the order as Rahane can't bat anywhere beyond 4, Kohli thinks he 'owns' a batting position in the side, and Raina has been struggling.
Yes, MS isn't the force of yester years and his career is winding down, but he's one of the best ever ODI batsmen not just in India, but in the world.......

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 12:45 pm

Not too many boundaries in the death overs from India. Kohli is cramping up and Dhoni isn't able to get the big shots going. Think India will end just around 300.

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 12:47 pm

Kohli gone now, 300 will be touch and go now....... SA are doing very well not to let the game slip despite 2 partnerships above hundred being part of the Indian innings.

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Post by KP_fan on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 12:49 pm

Look how Dhoni has struggled at the end of the inning......11 of 12 balls..when you need no less than 20 at this stage of game.

he can at best score in middle overs when ball is neither seaming and the fielders are spread at 4 to 5 RPO
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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 12:50 pm

Harbhajan given out bowled of a no-ball after the umpires asked for a no-ball check! It clearly was a no-ball, and still he's given out. What on earth is going on?

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 12:52 pm

Umpiring standards has been pathetic in the tour so far, and this is a new low, even after the replays made it clear that it was a no-ball, a blunder has been committed.

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 1:01 pm

India unable to cross 300! Death overs are becoming a massive problem with bat and ball, more so with the former for some time. The team combination has to change.
Rahane will have to go or reinvent his ODI game, and Raina, despite the 50 today, is a major trouble as well. If we have to get the best out of Dhoni, then he has to bat up the order, it takes him a quite some time to get the big hits away now. If MS decides to call it a day soon, then Sanju Samson is the only viable ODI wicket keeper option, and again, I think he's more of a top 5 batsman.......
Hope regardless of the outcome today, they'll give Gurkirat a run from the next game onwards, there is a big problem that has to be dealt with and that would need some tough calls.

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 1:09 pm

India batting somewhat like England of old, not so quick start, then loses set batsmen who start slowish, and unable to hit big at the end. The difference is that England would have usually lost half the side in 25 overs for not much. This is more like an Indian variant.......
All down to the spinners now.......

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Post by KP_fan on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 1:27 pm

KP_fan wrote:Dhoni WAS a good batsman but lost his reflexes and hitting power.
his stats are boosted by his ability to allow himself to bat in best/ easy  situations......give himself n.outs...and grossly inflated on patta tracks.


MS Dhoni c de Villiers b Steyn 15 (16b 1x4 0x6) SR: 93.75

a confirmation of the malaise in the Indian line-up
Dhoni can neither bat in the first 15 overs ( when the ball has some seam movement)...he doesn't have the technique.

nor in the last 10 overs.......where he lacks the hitting power now

so he is bu--ll-shi--ting with processes and theories and stories to bat in the easy middle overs...
and that's causing the imbalance...especially given that his pet Raina fires once in 10 games.

msp...yes the current version of Dhoni is useless.......Rahane is definitively better than him now...and probably about 3 more batsmen who are out of the side.
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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 1:34 pm

SA of to a rapid start....... Perhaps MS should bring his spinners on early.......

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 1:43 pm

So perhaps Rahane should take up the gloves then, KPF?
And Dhoni isn't batting in the easy middle overs, he has been there at the end in all the games, it is the Rahane's and Kohli's of the world who would have such options. Rahane because he's limited as an ODI batsman at this stage of his career, Kohli because he's the best bet to bat in the top 4 and when on song, can play the kind of innings he played today. But someone has to do the tough job at the end, Dhoni did it for years, but as age has caught up with him, he is not the same batsman any more. Rohit has earned his ODI spot, and Dhawan has some credit left in the bank. Kohli is Kohli, as such if MS has to bat up the order that is now required to get the best out of him, and since that output is still better than the 40s and 50s that Rahane has started scoring, a call has to be made. Either drop Shikhar Dhawan who hasn't been getting runs in this series and put Rahane up the order to open. And bring in Gurkirat/Iyer/Jadhav/Pandey/Pandya into the middle order for 2 spots, MS to bat 4....... Rahane's game is one paced at this stage, I am by no means writing him off in limited overs, but he has to find an extra gear to his batting and I believe he's capable of doing that, but the message needs to be send loud and clear. And MS needs to be relieved of the captaincy, he should just play as wicketkeeper batsman for the reminder of his career, already he's under some pressure, and captaincy might not help in such situations, and anyways I haven't really been a fan of the split captain system....... Don't think its working well for India. Now that Kohli seems to be getting back on track in ODI cricket, just complete the process they started in tests.......

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 1:46 pm

Bhuvi going for a few right away, and de Kock is ominously moved along to 22. SA 29-0 in the 5th over.......
Spin, that's the only hope!!

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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 6:07 pm

The spinners kept India going, and then Bhuvneshwar Kumar recovered from a poor start with the ball to take 3 wickets as Mahendra Singh Dhoni wins yet another ODI for India!

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Post by KP_fan on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 6:54 pm

msp83 wrote:The spinners kept India going, and then Bhuvneshwar Kumar recovered from a poor start with the ball to take 3 wickets as Mahendra Singh Dhoni wins yet another ODI for India!

Very Happy
its more like
kohli saves dhoni's captaincy....for now
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Post by msp83 on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 10:21 pm

Kohli would be greatful that Dhoni has been able to motivate him back to form. After struggling for the best part of 15 ODIs, Kohli is back, and the skipper has walked the extra mile, even letting his star batsman own a batting position contrary to his stated position when the star is leading the test side!
In reality, win or loss, credit or blame can'te be entirely on one individual's doors each and every time. India's first win in the series was that of Dhoni more than anyone else as his was the real standout performance. Here its mostly been Kohli, though there were other significant contributions........ Likewise, the failures too, they have to be of the team, though there could be more blame for some than others.

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Post by KP_fan on Fri 23 Oct 2015, 7:49 am

I hope Dhoni goes out as a captain on a winning note Smile
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