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Post by super_realist on Tue 01 Sep 2015, 1:50 pm

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It's more the leaving it to the last minute which is nonsense. It is appalling business practice for the buyer to do this, as the seller knows they can keep the price high.

What is the point in the window being open for two months if nothing gets done until the last day? Just make it a day long, the opposite of a DFS sale.

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Post by I'm never wrong on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 2:19 pm

I read somewhere that that's exactly what happened Davie.

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Post by Roller_Coaster on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 4:11 pm

pedro wrote:
Roller_Coaster wrote:Read on the BBC (I think) that Barcelona had actually missed 7 of 15 "conventional" penalties before trying this.
So do we think England will try something similar come next Euro or World Cup??

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Maybe the Euros - they have at least qualified for that one!

Knowing England, I suspect that the time it got tried would be in a shootout when there isn't anyone to come in and score from the first touch.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 7:07 pm

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-35626854

Wasn't there a documentary a year or two ago that you guys were talking about?

Remarkable life and this article barely touches the surface.

Incredible that sports people receive such acclaim and someone of his achievements and, use the word carefully, heroism live in media anonymity.

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Post by I'm never wrong on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 8:55 pm

Agreed Kwini. Don't like the words "heroic" and "brave" used for sports. Can't think of others to replace them though.

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Post by McLaren on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 11:19 pm

Tigers US open on a broken leg and that time at the masters where he popped his wrist back into joint must come close to matching the heroics of WWII bomber pilots.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 22 Feb 2016, 8:52 am

kwinigolfer wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-35626854

Wasn't there a documentary a year or two ago that you guys were talking about?

Remarkable life and this article barely touches the surface.

Incredible that sports people receive such acclaim and someone of his achievements and, use the word carefully, heroism live in media anonymity.
I suspect he was happy with it that way. I can't think of many decorated veterans who go looking for the limelight.
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Post by pedro on Mon 22 Feb 2016, 9:32 am

I guess he just did his job. He just did it better than the rest.
Are you a bigger hero beacuse you kill more enemies and survive the war?

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Post by navyblueshorts on Mon 22 Feb 2016, 1:05 pm

pedro wrote:I guess he just did his job. He just did it better than the rest.
Are you a bigger hero beacuse you kill more enemies and survive the war?
Quite. I doubt he would have considered himself a hero either. That always seems to be a public/media badge from people who really have little clue and have some guilt(?) that they haven't done something similar.
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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 22 Feb 2016, 1:28 pm

"Are you a bigger hero" than what?

Acts of heroism from Winkle are among the most unremarkable part of his career. (And completely agree that "media anonymity" probably suited him just fine.)


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Post by McLaren on Mon 22 Feb 2016, 6:01 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35628604

Adam Johnson admits 'I wasn't a good person'

No.

But he was a damn fine I can't spell diddler.
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Post by pedro on Mon 22 Feb 2016, 11:10 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:"Are you a bigger hero" than what?

Acts of heroism from Winkle are among the most unremarkable part of his career. (And completely agree that "media anonymity" probably suited him just fine.)

Nothing in the article(s) mentions why he should be regarded as a hero. Undoubtdetly he was a good pilot, who flew many types of aircraft and survived several crashes. But being the most decorated pilot may indicate he shot down a lot of enemies, not necessarily that he was a hero. And CBE/OBE/MBE are probably only honorary.

So when I ask "Are you a bigger hero" that what? I of course mean than other pilots who didn't have many enemy kills or didn't survive x crashes.

Again, he may have been a hero, but nothing in the article really suggests it imo.

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Post by McLaren on Tue 23 Feb 2016, 12:05 am

Spieth nearly hits himself in the head with his own shot. Actually it may have hit someone out of shot.

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/grill-room/watch-spieths-driving-range-mishap-riviera/?cid=twitter-gc-v-spieth-watch-video-022216
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Post by kwinigolfer on Tue 23 Feb 2016, 12:56 am

pedro,
That's why I tried to qualify my comment - his extraordinary achievements/experiences go far beyond "heroism" which is probably an inappropriate word in a life of such accomplishment.
The brief BBC article does his career no justice at all.

This is better, but only captures a fraction of it all:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/eric-winkle-brown-dead-famed-british-pilot-dies-aged-97-a6888106.html

There's so much more, trust on that.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 24 Feb 2016, 12:20 pm

dog gate 2.0

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-35644209
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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 24 Feb 2016, 12:52 pm

McLaren wrote:dog gate 2.0

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-35644209
Not really, no.
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Post by McLaren on Wed 24 Feb 2016, 1:24 pm

Navy

Even I winced at that one. Can't work out why it was essential to run over the poor mutt?
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Post by super_realist on Wed 24 Feb 2016, 1:31 pm

It was causing people to drive dangerously to avoid it. Imagine it had toppled your bus.

It's only a dog.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 24 Feb 2016, 2:23 pm

McLaren wrote:Navy

Even I winced at that one.  Can't work out why it was essential to run over the poor mutt?
Judgement call I assume. Seem to recall Highway Code saying you shouldn't swerve to avoid animals on the road. In reality, not many people are going to react like that but there we go.
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Post by pedro on Wed 24 Feb 2016, 2:35 pm

Public outcry over a dog...

...Meanwhile 100+ migrants die off our coasts every day.. but that's probaly also "Judgement call " I assume.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 24 Feb 2016, 2:37 pm

Bit silly Pedro, you shouldn't have to acknowledge every other world ill, before you address a single point.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 24 Feb 2016, 2:39 pm

pedro

never mind the dog, what about the public funds that will have to be used to fix the bumper.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 24 Feb 2016, 4:30 pm

pedro wrote:Public outcry over a dog...

...Meanwhile 100+ migrants die off our coasts every day.. but that's probaly also "Judgement call " I assume.
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Post by McLaren on Wed 24 Feb 2016, 4:40 pm

Navy

It really isn't all that difficult to understand Pedro's point. I am sure you share the frustration that the UK has pretty much decided to do nothing in the fight to solve the greatest humanitarian issue of the decade. And worse still, there is no pressure on the government to do anything more than it currently is. We would rather fight about some foreign kids getting a few quid a week or whether a party leader bow angle is great enough.
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Post by super_realist on Wed 24 Feb 2016, 4:43 pm

Mac, it's got nothing to do with it.

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Post by MontysMerkin on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 8:15 am

Whataboutery of the highest order.

What about the Uk arms industry? Call me Dave hasn't appointed a new chairman of the committee that oversees arms exports. The UK has sold nearly 2 billion quids worth in that time, mainly to the middle east where they happily formed a coalition to bomb the crap out of yemen (the poorest country in the region). Genocide looks on the cards and the UK has provided the means (stands up and salutes). Makes you proud to be British.
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Post by pedro on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 9:32 am

Sure you can cry over a dog being run over. But I am just saying that I simply can't understand why European public and governments alike seem accept the current migrant situation. Spain made an agreement with Morocco years ago which is one of the reasons migrants don't travel that way anymore.  

I can't understand why EU can't do that with Turkey and then just block the Italian coast like we're supposed to (since we probably can't negotiate anything with Libya).

And then there's the migrant jai alai where incoming migrants are sent on interrail in Europe depending on who temporily closes their borders and who don't want them. It's a disgrace. The politicians should be fired all of them, especially as they also have blood on their hands. In fact they should be put on a boat and sent into the Mediterranean on a one-way ticket.

But it has been going on for years now. So it must be a "judgment call".

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Post by super_realist on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 9:41 am

"Blood on their hands" Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Whatever comrade Corbyn

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Post by MontysMerkin on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 9:52 am

super_realist wrote:"Blood on their hands" Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Whatever comrade Corbyn
Ha ha indeed. Get back to the Daily Fail and concentrate on the X Factor vote, about your intellectual level.
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Post by super_realist on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 9:57 am

The majority of MP's have nothing to do with any foreign affairs. To claim they have blood on their hands is just a sixth form argument.

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Post by MontysMerkin on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 10:01 am

And to deny it equally so. Your naivety is astounding, but not surprising given your track record.
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Post by pedro on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 10:02 am

monkey  monkey monkey The Three Wise Monkeys of 606v2... Call it what you want. People die due to the deliberate neglect of our politicians.

And keep whining about the dog...

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Post by super_realist on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 10:04 am

MontysMerkin wrote:And to deny it equally so. Your naivety is astounding, but not surprising given your track record.

You're the one making knee jerk reactions and sensationalist statements, not me.

I haven't denied anything, I'm simply saying that you are over-stating something.

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Post by McLaren on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 10:24 am

Super

What do you think about the UK's response to the migrant crisis and have politicians done enough to ensure the safety of people displaced from Syria?
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Post by navyblueshorts on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 10:46 am

pedro wrote:monkey  monkey monkey The Three Wise Monkeys of 606v2... Call it what you want. People die due to the deliberate neglect of our politicians.

And keep whining about the dog...
Who gives a damn about the dog? I don't. But what a ridiculous segue into the refugee situation.
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Post by super_realist on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 11:04 am

McLaren wrote:Super

What do you think about the UK's response to the migrant crisis and have politicians done enough to ensure the safety of people displaced from Syria?

That's irrelevant Mac, I was merely responding to the absurd assertion that all politicians should be sacked because of the refugee crisis. That's just a preposterous thing to say.

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Post by pedro on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 11:10 am

So what do you judge politicians on? Civil servants would do then.

I'm pretty sure the annual budgets would vary less than 2% regardless of whether it's a Labour or Tory government (and simlarly across Europe), so why not have bureaucrats running the whole damn thing if you can't/won't expect anything from the politicians? - given they now have the chance to show what they can do.

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Post by McLaren on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 11:15 am

Super

As I am interested in your opinion I will ask again, what do you think about the UK's response to the migrant crisis and have politicians done enough to ensure the safety of people displaced from Syria?
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Post by super_realist on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 11:24 am

I haven't really been keeping up to date with the story Mac. I'd be more interested to hear why the immediate neighbours of Syria are seemingly doing nothing at all.

By the way, I don't hear you crying about Britains lack of response to every other refugee crisis going on. Why are you focussing on Syria?


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Post by McLaren on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 11:27 am

Does it matter why they are doing nothing? Is there a reason for them doing nothing that would be sufficient for allowing the UK to also do nothing?
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Post by super_realist on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 11:28 am

McLaren wrote:Does it matter why they are doing nothing?  Is there a reason for them doing nothing that would be sufficient for allowing the UK to also do nothing?

Of course it matters. They have a far greater responsibility than the UK does.

How many Syrian refugees have you in your flat?

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Post by Bob_the_Job on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 11:29 am

In general I also have a lot less respect for arguments (and the proponents by association) that use inflammatory terms as a substitute for real passion and which don't offer some ideas about solving the problem, rather than blaming everyone else.  Even an acknowledgment that it's not easy to solve, and in a world of limited money and resources the act of solving it has the potential to disadvantage others (others that are closer to "home"), would actually grab my attention more.

I also don't get the ire some people show when their voiced concerns don't immediately get a spontaneous round of applause and a rallying of the troops. Concern for other's plight is admirable, but it would be a lot more admirable if it was applied to doing something constructive about it as well, rather than raging on a golf message board, with about (let's be generous) 50 sociopaths readers who seem care a bit less than the once voicing the issue.  Taking the same amount of time and energy to stand on the High Street with a loud hailer would actually get the message over to more people (who don't care that much).

I know taking the reasoned approach is not favoured by some here, so before anyone brings down the frightening power of their rhetoric on me, save yourself some time and bear in mind, I really don't care that much.

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