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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Mon 14 Sep 2015, 8:44 pm

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Entourage actor Adrian Grenier caused some outrage online friday by posting this image in remembrance of the victims of 9/11

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Whilst he could have just not done that on a day like the anniversary of 9/11, is it such an outrageous thing to say? Is it fair that people on the internet (according to the, urgh, Daily Mail article) have branded it 'classless' and a 'slap in the face' to terror victims?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 12:29 pm

Alistair wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
Alistair wrote:

I wonder how much damage was caused to innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan? Of course, you wouldn't care about that would you.
Straw man after straw man.

My argument is they aren't related..........

One was a war another a terroristic act..................

They are related, both resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, only you can only see the American side of the coin.

The terrorist attack was an act of war on America by Al Qaeda.

Don't keep trying to patronise me..........

If you can't see a difference between casualties of war and a barbaric act of cowardly terrorism then you're stupid......


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Post by Guest on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 12:30 pm

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 12:31 pm

Nore Staat wrote:Can we please not attack individual commentators.  Can we focus on the question, the facts, the various opinions, the various arguments.   This thread isn't going to change the world, but it might help some of us better understand the various issues etc.

It's the usual American hating garbage.............

Same on the Park 51 thread......

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Post by Alistair on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 12:37 pm

So you assume I hate Americans? Petty.

If you can't see a difference between casualties of war and a barbaric act of cowardly terrorism then you're stupid......

So, again, you're basically justifying the deaths of those innocent people in Iraq & Afghanistan as casualties of war?

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Post by Guest on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 12:38 pm

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 12:38 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Does anyone really believe the official explanation for the 9-11 attacks presented by the G.W.Bush administration???

Consider the rap sheet of that particular administration before and after the attacks and and use your brain.

Why don't you tell us...........

fraudalent election win
Dodgy dealings with Bin Laden family AND the Taliban all before attacks
shoddy explanation for attacks. Still unanswered questions
Outragous lies in build up to Iraq war. Remember Saddam had a nuclear weapon people forget that the US stated this through Colin Powel but that quickly got swept under the carpet.
Homeland security?????????????
Guantamino bay???
Cheny and Rumsfeld contracts with weapons firms (Halliburton)

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 12:40 pm

Alistair wrote:So you assume I hate Americans? Petty.

If you can't see a difference between casualties of war and a barbaric act of cowardly terrorism then you're stupid......

So, again, you're basically justifying the deaths of those innocent people in Iraq & Afghanistan as casualties of war?

I'm differentiating not justifying...

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 12:41 pm

Nore Staat wrote:I remember hearing about one of the US presidents who wanted to have people in the oval office who disagreed with him - so that he could assess all arguments for and against something and then make a decision.  Maybe it was Theodore Roosevelt (?)

Maybe you should look it up before making the statement.

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Post by Alistair on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 12:43 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Alistair wrote:So you assume I hate Americans? Petty.

If you can't see a difference between casualties of war and a barbaric act of cowardly terrorism then you're stupid......

So, again, you're basically justifying the deaths of those innocent people in Iraq & Afghanistan as casualties of war?

I'm differentiating not justifying...

Point is Trussman, you still can't admit, or recognise that those innocent people in Iraq & Afghanistan are just as much victims as those who suffered in 9/11, regardless of which side of the world they were from.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 12:45 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Does anyone really believe the official explanation for the 9-11 attacks presented by the G.W.Bush administration???

Consider the rap sheet of that particular administration before and after the attacks and and use your brain.

Why don't you tell us...........

fraudalent election win
Dodgy dealings with Bin Laden family AND the Taliban all before attacks
shoddy explanation for attacks. Still unanswered questions
Outragous lies in build up to Iraq war. Remember Saddam had a nuclear weapon people forget that the US stated this through Colin Powel but that quickly got swept under the carpet.
Guantamino bay???
Cheny and Rumsfeld contracts with weapons firms (Halliburton)

We assume it was fraudulent...........
Britain had dealings with Saddam and Bin Laden...
9/11 conspiracy theorists are sad people....
Britain believed in WMDs too...
What's cheney got to do with Bush.............
Guantanimo bay is okay with me........Waterboarding is too good for them.

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Post by Alistair on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 12:46 pm

Have you ever seen Loose Change, Trussman?

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Post by Guest on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 12:48 pm

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 12:53 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Does anyone really believe the official explanation for the 9-11 attacks presented by the G.W.Bush administration???

Consider the rap sheet of that particular administration before and after the attacks and and use your brain.

Why don't you tell us...........

fraudalent election win
Dodgy dealings with Bin Laden family AND the Taliban all before attacks
shoddy explanation for attacks. Still unanswered questions
Outragous lies in build up to Iraq war. Remember Saddam had a nuclear weapon people forget that the US stated this through Colin Powel but that quickly got swept under the carpet.
Guantamino bay???
Cheny and Rumsfeld contracts with weapons firms (Halliburton)

We assume it was fraudulent...........
Britain had dealings with Saddam and Bin Laden...
9/11 conspiracy theorists are sad people....
Britain believed in WMDs too...
What's cheney got to do with Bush.............
Guantanimo bay is okay with me........Waterboarding is too good for them.

You assume it was fraudulent haha lol
Britain/USA 2 peas pod
So were all the people who believed the lies leading up to the Iraq war
Cheney has EVERYTHING to do with Bush
ISIS feel the same way about its prisinors I guess great minds think alike TRUSS.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 12:53 pm

I've watched "Voices from the Towers" thoughAlistair...............

Where some young girl is screaming down the phone to her Dad saying she can't get out and he's impotently having to listen to her last minutes before the phone goes dead.........Or the new Father who is saying to his Wife there are people jumping around him and the smoke is getting really bad and that he is not sure how much time he has left and tell his daughter he loves her !!...

Or maybe the Son on the plane who tells his Dad he thinks terrorists are going to crash the plane "but don't worry Dad....because If it happens it will be quick..."

These people had no warning and no chance............So yes there is a difference for me..

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Post by seanmichaels on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 12:56 pm

I advocate widespread napaalming of the middle east. I appreciate it would be painful but in the long run best for all concerned.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 12:57 pm

seanmichaels wrote:I advocate widespread napaalming of the middle east. I appreciate it would be painful but in the long run best for all concerned.

Is that in the NF manifesto

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 12:58 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I've watched "Voices from the Towers" thoughAlistair...............

Where some young girl is screaming down the phone to her Dad saying she can't get out and he's impotently having to listen to her last minutes before the phone goes dead.........Or the new Father who is saying to his Wife there are people jumping around him and the smoke is getting really bad and that he is not sure how much time he has left and tell his daughter he loves her !!...

Or maybe the Son on the plane who tells his Dad he thinks terrorists are going to crash the plane "but don't worry Dad....because If it happens it will be quick..."

These people had no warning and no chance............So yes there is a difference for me..

Haha

rubbish

don't believe you

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 1:00 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I've watched "Voices from the Towers" thoughAlistair...............

Where some young girl is screaming down the phone to her Dad saying she can't get out and he's impotently having to listen to her last minutes before the phone goes dead.........Or the new Father who is saying to his Wife there are people jumping around him and the smoke is getting really bad and that he is not sure how much time he has left and tell his daughter he loves her !!...

Or maybe the Son on the plane who tells his Dad he thinks terrorists are going to crash the plane "but don't worry Dad....because If it happens it will be quick..."

These people had no warning and no chance............So yes there is a difference for me..

Haha

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Post by seanmichaels on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 1:05 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
seanmichaels wrote:I advocate widespread napaalming of the middle east. I appreciate it would be painful but in the long run best for all concerned.

Is that in the NF manifesto

You know I am right. Think of the phoenix rising from the ashes.

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Post by Alistair on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 1:15 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I've watched "Voices from the Towers" thoughAlistair...............

Where some young girl is screaming down the phone to her Dad saying she can't get out and he's impotently having to listen to her last minutes before the phone goes dead.........Or the new Father who is saying to his Wife there are people jumping around him and the smoke is getting really bad and that he is not sure how much time he has left and tell his daughter he loves her !!...

Or maybe the Son on the plane who tells his Dad he thinks terrorists are going to crash the plane "but don't worry Dad....because If it happens it will be quick..."

These people had no warning and no chance............So yes there is a difference for me..

Never seen those. Only seen The Falling Man.

I appreciate you see it as a difference. People still lost their lives, through no fault of their own, without choice and the casualties were far greater in the Middle East. Regardless of your patriotic pride you should at least have a human side which allows you to at least acknowledge that.

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Post by Derbymanc on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 1:28 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I've watched "Voices from the Towers" thoughAlistair...............

Where some young girl is screaming down the phone to her Dad saying she can't get out and he's impotently having to listen to her last minutes before the phone goes dead.........Or the new Father who is saying to his Wife there are people jumping around him and the smoke is getting really bad and that he is not sure how much time he has left and tell his daughter he loves her !!...

Or maybe the Son on the plane who tells his Dad he thinks terrorists are going to crash the plane "but don't worry Dad....because If it happens it will be quick..."

These people had no warning and no chance............So yes there is a difference for me..

Haha

rubbish

don't believe you

You heartless ignorant C U Next Tuesday, ban me if you want cause that is just absolutely sickening. Why in gods name did you let this evil git back on the forum mods??? if its not mental illness he's laughing at, it's cray theories he's peddling and now this.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 1:35 pm

Derbymanc wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I've watched "Voices from the Towers" thoughAlistair...............

Where some young girl is screaming down the phone to her Dad saying she can't get out and he's impotently having to listen to her last minutes before the phone goes dead.........Or the new Father who is saying to his Wife there are people jumping around him and the smoke is getting really bad and that he is not sure how much time he has left and tell his daughter he loves her !!...

Or maybe the Son on the plane who tells his Dad he thinks terrorists are going to crash the plane "but don't worry Dad....because If it happens it will be quick..."

These people had no warning and no chance............So yes there is a difference for me..

Haha

rubbish

don't believe you

You heartless ignorant C U Next Tuesday, ban me if you want cause that is just absolutely sickening. Why in gods name did you let this evil git back on the forum mods??? if its not mental illness he's laughing at, it's cray theories he's peddling and now this.

People making coherant phone calls over 30,000 feet? in 2001? don't make me laugh
I bet you thought Jurassic park was real.

Derby calm down

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Post by Hero on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 1:39 pm

I think we've all seen enough now on this topic.

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Post by Hero on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 1:41 pm

I'll make this a public warning as well, if I see any more crap from OneTwo or Truss then the exit door will be beckoning.

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