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Post by ShahenshahG on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 5:20 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p032h19j

A campaign has been launched to review the case of a Royal Marine jailed for life for killing a Taliban insurgent.
Sergeant Alexander Blackman was convicted of murdering the injured captive in Afghanistan but his supporters say it was manslaughter.
Author and campaigner Frederick Forsyth said the court martial that convicted Blackman "stank from top to bottom".
Joshua Rozenberg, who presents Radio 4's Law in Action, said it would be "an uphill struggle" to reopen the case.
A new legal team - led by Jonathan Goldberg QC - is seeking a review, arguing that he should have been convicted of the lesser charge of manslaughter.
Blackman, of Taunton, Somerset, was convicted in 2013 and lost an appeal in May last year, but his 10-year minimum term was reduced to eight years.
'Battle fatigue'
Blackman's wife Claire told the Daily Mail: "The fact that he is now serving a life sentence for killing a dying Taliban insurgent is just wrong, this was war.
"Had the roles been reversed that man would have tortured my husband before killing him.
"We will not give up the fight to bring Al home."
Mr Forsyth, who is leading the campaign, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that the evidence that Blackman was "nearly feral with exhaustion" was not produced at court.
"There is a very, very clear case that you can get a fighting man so tired, so consumed by battle fatigue and combat stress that he is hardly even thinking straight and there is provision in British law for that," he said.
He claimed that at the end of Blackman's trial, all seven members of the jury "put their caps on and saluted him."
"Honourable men do not salute a perjurer and a murderer", he said.
Mr Forsyth said the verdict had been a five to two majority, but Mr Rozenberg said the argument that it was unfair to have a majority verdict was dismissed so "it would be hard to overturn that".
Campaigners hope the Criminal Cases Review Commission, which investigates suspected miscarriages of justice, will look at Blackman's case.
Commission spokeswoman Sally Berlin said the organisation has yet to receive an application from the campaigners or legal team, but if one is submitted it will consider the case.
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Extract from helmet camera recording of incident in Helmand, Afghanistan
Mr Goldberg said there are three routes to a manslaughter verdict including loss of control, unlawful act manslaughter and diminished responsibility and he said all could be argued.
Mr Goldberg said Blackman suffered from battlefield stress syndrome and this was not presented to "any of the previous courts" as grounds for reducing murder to manslaughter "as we think it should have been".
He said if Blackman had been convicted of manslaughter he may not have been jailed.
'A scapegoat'
The killing, on 15 September 2011, took place after a patrol base in Helmand province came under fire from two insurgents.
One of the attackers was seriously injured by gunfire from an Apache helicopter sent to provide air support and the marines found him in a field.
Footage from another marine's helmet-mounted camera showed Blackman shooting the Afghan prisoner in the chest with a 9mm pistol.
Blackman told him: "There you are. Shuffle off this mortal coil."
The court martial board in Bulford, Wiltshire, found Blackman guilty of murdering the insurgent. Two other marines were acquitted.
It was the first time a member of the British armed forces had faced a murder charge in relation to the conflict in Afghanistan, which began in 2001.
Blackman was also "dismissed with disgrace" from the Royal Marines. He had served with distinction for 15 years, including tours of Iraq, Afghanistan and Northern Ireland.
Blackman had denied murder, claiming he believed the victim was already dead and that he was taking his anger out on the corpse.
A Ministry of Defence spokesperson said: "We respect the authority and decision of the court."
Julia Quenzler drawing of Sergeant Blackman being sentencedImage copyrightJulia Quenzler
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Blackman's 10-year minimum term was reduced to eight years on appeal
The Mail claims crucial evidence was deliberately withheld from the original court martial and says it will reveal "extraordinary and compelling new evidence" in the "coming days".
The paper reports that it has seen confidential papers which claim panel members who convicted Blackman were "deliberately kept in the dark".
The paper claims the court martial was never given evidence of alleged operational failings by Blackman's commanders, which meant his troop was "isolated, under-manned, under-resourced and under daily Taliban assault".
All of this was "directly affecting his state of mind at the time of the shooting", which led to Blackman not receiving a fair trial, it is claimed.
Blackman, 41, told the Mail: "I made a split-second mistake, but I had been sent to a brutal battlefield to fight a war for my country.
"At the end of my trial, the establishment lined up to portray me as evil, because it suited them… to show the world how politically correct we are.
"I have been made a scapegoat."
Blackman's case is due to be discussed in the House of Commons on 16 September.

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Post by Ent on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 6:30 pm

It will be a legal issue rather than a moral one.

Morally I don't think many would have an issue with a soldier finishing off a wounded enemy in an active war zone.

However of the legal stand point re rules of engagement is to take pows when possible and this is on camera he hasn't really got anywhere to go.

Seems unjust but laws are laws unfortinately.

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Post by Guest on Tue 15 Sep 2015, 7:11 pm

It's a grey area.  I would probably argue diminished responsibility because he was sent into an area given guns and told he could kill people but also told he could be killed.  That is, responsibility has to be shared upstream because all the risk to life and limb is taken downstream with the individual soldiers.

To develop this argument one could say through being told these people were the enemy and being given weaponry that made it possible for him to kill these people - people in the upstream line of command aided and abetted him as well as incited him.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 16 Sep 2015, 8:38 am

This is the one where the audio has him telling his patrol mates that he's just broken the Geneva Convention yes? If so, I can't see how he can get it overturned. He knew what he was doing even though I have some sympathy with the "this was war" argument. He simply didn't need to do this. I guess it'll come down to medical evidence about whether he was actually in control of what he did.
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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed 16 Sep 2015, 9:01 am

This is war. Nonesense conviction IMO.

That said, I actually agree with Ent. Whilst I have no moral qualms with his actions, there is a law in place which apparently he broke pretty clearly.

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Post by ShahenshahG on Wed 16 Sep 2015, 9:41 am

navyblueshorts wrote:This is the one where the audio has him telling his patrol mates that he's just broken the Geneva Convention yes? If so, I can't see how he can get it overturned. He knew what he was doing even though I have some sympathy with the "this was war" argument. He simply didn't need to do this. I guess it'll come down to medical evidence about whether he was actually in control of what he did.

Yes - We heard the audio and the video was clear enough that the judge declined to release it so ISIS and co didn't use it as propaganda.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed 16 Sep 2015, 9:57 am

ShahenshahG wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:This is the one where the audio has him telling his patrol mates that he's just broken the Geneva Convention yes? If so, I can't see how he can get it overturned. He knew what he was doing even though I have some sympathy with the "this was war" argument. He simply didn't need to do this. I guess it'll come down to medical evidence about whether he was actually in control of what he did.

Yes - We heard the audio and the video was clear enough that the judge declined to release it so ISIS and co didn't use it as propaganda.

Very smart.

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Post by aja424 on Sat 19 Sep 2015, 4:20 pm

Let him out and lead the charge against the paedo isis cowards.

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