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Post by Alistair on Wed 16 Sep 2015, 10:05 am

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It's Day 4 of Jeremy Corbyn's reign as Labour Leader and he's constantly facing questions around his leadership, policies and actions.

Yesterday, whilst attending the 'Battle of Britain' remembrance service, Corbyn stood silently whilst the National Anthem was sung. Corbyn is a firm believer in abolition of the Monarch and chose not to sing.

Was he right? Should he have sung out of respect for the Queen or is he right to stick to his beliefs?

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Fri 18 Sep 2015, 4:03 pm

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:It was disrespectful to the servicemen that died who were fighting for God/the Queen/their Country and provided the liberal freedoms which Corbyn enjoys so much today.

That said, he's an agnostic republican, therefore was it really much of a surprise and is it just good ol' "principalled" Jezza Corbs again....

Nonsense.

How can you talk about liberal freedoms when you see fit to tell the man what he must do? "They died for your freedoms - how dare you now act according to your conscience." It doesn't work that way.

How many servicemen fought for God or the Queen? Bearing in mind the Queen wasn't on the throne during the Battle of Britain, I'd suggest not many fought for her.

And what about Scottish servicemen who died? Would Corbyn have been honouring their sacrifice in singing an anthem that talks of crushing rebellious Scots?

Let's face it, God Save the Queen, aside from being a dirge, is an anthem expressing nothing but a love of subjugation.

Would you urine on someone's grave, someone you've never met, just because 'liberal freedoms' meant it wasn't a crime to do so??

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Post by Pr4wn on Fri 18 Sep 2015, 4:05 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:It was disrespectful to the servicemen that died who were fighting for God/the Queen/their Country and provided the liberal freedoms which Corbyn enjoys so much today.

That said, he's an agnostic republican, therefore was it really much of a surprise and is it just good ol' "principalled" Jezza Corbs again....

Nonsense.

How can you talk about liberal freedoms when you see fit to tell the man what he must do? "They died for your freedoms - how dare you now act according to your conscience." It doesn't work that way.

How many servicemen fought for God or the Queen? Bearing in mind the Queen wasn't on the throne during the Battle of Britain, I'd suggest not many fought for her.

And what about Scottish servicemen who died? Would Corbyn have been honouring their sacrifice in singing an anthem that talks of crushing rebellious Scots?

Let's face it, God Save the Queen, aside from being a dirge, is an anthem expressing nothing but a love of subjugation.

Would you urine on someone's grave, someone you've never met, just because 'liberal freedoms' meant it wasn't a crime to do so??

I'm offended by this ridiculous use of hyperbole.

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Post by Scottrf on Fri 18 Sep 2015, 4:06 pm

People died so that he could use that hyperbole.

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Post by Rowley on Fri 18 Sep 2015, 4:07 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:It was disrespectful to the servicemen that died who were fighting for God/the Queen/their Country and provided the liberal freedoms which Corbyn enjoys so much today.

That said, he's an agnostic republican, therefore was it really much of a surprise and is it just good ol' "principalled" Jezza Corbs again....

Nonsense.

How can you talk about liberal freedoms when you see fit to tell the man what he must do? "They died for your freedoms - how dare you now act according to your conscience." It doesn't work that way.

How many servicemen fought for God or the Queen? Bearing in mind the Queen wasn't on the throne during the Battle of Britain, I'd suggest not many fought for her.

And what about Scottish servicemen who died? Would Corbyn have been honouring their sacrifice in singing an anthem that talks of crushing rebellious Scots?

Let's face it, God Save the Queen, aside from being a dirge, is an anthem expressing nothing but a love of subjugation.

Would you urine on someone's grave, someone you've never met, just because 'liberal freedoms' meant it wasn't a crime to do so??

Ridiculous example. Peeing on someone's grave is a criminal offence. Choosing not to sing the national anthem isn't.

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Post by ShahenshahG on Fri 18 Sep 2015, 4:10 pm

He's become a caricature of himself. What a moronic comparison.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Fri 18 Sep 2015, 4:28 pm

LOLZ all round (espcially as that four letter acronym will particulalry irritate some).

It's about respect, sure there are other examples that could be come up with of something that whilst not illegal is still extremely disrespectful - that folk on here wouldn't do or condone.

Could even say trample on someone's grave, as that's not illegal, the only illegality to my earlier example was indecent exposure, though you'd normally just get cited for a low-level public order offence (like drunks peeing in shop doorways).

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Post by jbeadlesbigrighthand on Fri 18 Sep 2015, 4:31 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:It was disrespectful to the servicemen that died who were fighting for God/the Queen/their Country and provided the liberal freedoms which Corbyn enjoys so much today.

That said, he's an agnostic republican, therefore was it really much of a surprise and is it just good ol' "principalled" Jezza Corbs again....

Nonsense.

How can you talk about liberal freedoms when you see fit to tell the man what he must do? "They died for your freedoms - how dare you now act according to your conscience." It doesn't work that way.

How many servicemen fought for God or the Queen? Bearing in mind the Queen wasn't on the throne during the Battle of Britain, I'd suggest not many fought for her.

And what about Scottish servicemen who died? Would Corbyn have been honouring their sacrifice in singing an anthem that talks of crushing rebellious Scots?

Let's face it, God Save the Queen, aside from being a dirge, is an anthem expressing nothing but a love of subjugation.

Would you urine on someone's grave, someone you've never met, just because 'liberal freedoms' meant it wasn't a crime to do so??

That's not really a like-for-like comparison now, is it?

How was not singing the national anthem in and of itself disrespectful to servicemen? Given that Corbyn had a valid reason for not doing so, it clearly wasn't a sleight. And if Corbyn intended to show disrespect towards servicemen, surely he could have found a slightly less obscure way of doing so. Perhaps, to borrow your example, he could have peed on a wreath, or maybe even the cenotaph?

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Post by Rowley on Fri 18 Sep 2015, 4:32 pm

Singing God Save the Queen shows respect to an institution he does not believe in. Attending a memorial service for those that gave their life in the war shows respect to those dead. He did not do the former, he did the latter, so who exactly has he disrespected here?

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Post by Rowley on Fri 18 Sep 2015, 4:33 pm

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote: And if Corbyn intended to show disrespect towards servicemen, surely he could have found a slightly less obscure way of doing so. Perhaps, to borrow your example, he could have peed on a wreath, or maybe even the cenotaph?

Or perhaps he could have chosen not to attend the memorial service for the servicemen?

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Post by ShahenshahG on Fri 18 Sep 2015, 4:34 pm

Tophat's arbitrary rules of conduct. Applies to Lefties, Poor People, Republicans and anyone else he doesn't like.

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Post by jbeadlesbigrighthand on Fri 18 Sep 2015, 4:53 pm

Rowley wrote:
jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote: And if Corbyn intended to show disrespect towards servicemen, surely he could have found a slightly less obscure way of doing so. Perhaps, to borrow your example, he could have peed on a wreath, or maybe even the cenotaph?

Or perhaps he could have chosen not to attend the memorial service for the servicemen?

Not quite obvious enough. That would simply show a lack of regard rather than an active disregard. You have to remember just how much Jeremy Corbyn hates servicemen. Particularly ones who have given their lives for his freedom.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Fri 18 Sep 2015, 4:59 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:Tophat's arbitrary rules of conduct. Applies to Lefties, Poor People, Republicans and anyone else he doesn't like.

Happy for you to point out some example or exactities of the arbitrary nature of my posts.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Fri 18 Sep 2015, 5:03 pm

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:It was disrespectful to the servicemen that died who were fighting for God/the Queen/their Country and provided the liberal freedoms which Corbyn enjoys so much today.

That said, he's an agnostic republican, therefore was it really much of a surprise and is it just good ol' "principalled" Jezza Corbs again....

Nonsense.

How can you talk about liberal freedoms when you see fit to tell the man what he must do? "They died for your freedoms - how dare you now act according to your conscience." It doesn't work that way.

How many servicemen fought for God or the Queen? Bearing in mind the Queen wasn't on the throne during the Battle of Britain, I'd suggest not many fought for her.

And what about Scottish servicemen who died? Would Corbyn have been honouring their sacrifice in singing an anthem that talks of crushing rebellious Scots?

Let's face it, God Save the Queen, aside from being a dirge, is an anthem expressing nothing but a love of subjugation.

Would you urine on someone's grave, someone you've never met, just because 'liberal freedoms' meant it wasn't a crime to do so??

That's not really a like-for-like comparison now, is it?

How was not singing the national anthem in and of itself disrespectful to servicemen? Given that Corbyn had a valid reason for not doing so, it clearly wasn't a sleight. And if Corbyn intended to show disrespect towards servicemen, surely he could have found a slightly less obscure way of doing so. Perhaps, to borrow your example, he could have peed on a wreath, or maybe even the cenotaph?

Chuck slouching like a grumpy school kid and dressing like a tramp, the whole think reaked of not giving a f***. Which I thought was disrespectful.

Don't get me wrong, fits his Robert Lindsay character perfectly, that anti-establishment 'bad' attitude, but in reality is just typical arrogant reverse snobbery. At least with Corbs we know it's not false or just for show. It's him. Good luck getting the masses to vote for him when he campaigns for none voting minorities.

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Post by Rowley on Fri 18 Sep 2015, 5:10 pm

I agree re his dress sense. I wish he would be a more snappy dresser like Boris Johnson.

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Post by Guest on Fri 18 Sep 2015, 6:16 pm

Has Jeremy Corbyn ever waved a union jack or St George's flag? I want to know whether he is prepared to wear Union Jack boxer shorts.

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Post by Rowley on Fri 18 Sep 2015, 6:17 pm

Nore Staat wrote:Has Jeremy Corbyn ever waved a union jack or St George's flag?  I want to know whether he is prepared to wear Union Jack boxer shorts.

You're too moderate. It is a tattoo for me or nothing.

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Post by Guest on Fri 18 Sep 2015, 7:14 pm

I wonder what plans if any Corbyn would have for the House of Lords ... as well as the Monarchy.  I suppose he wouldn't offer a referendum for a switch to a Republic in his manifesto, but I am sure he would be keen to reduce the influence of the Monarchy in terms of taxpayers expenditure and symbolism and its possessions.

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Post by Steffan on Sat 19 Sep 2015, 3:34 pm

No one should be forced or expected to sing any anthem especially some as imperialistic and outdated as 'God Save the Queen'. While I'm not a Labour voter I am starting to like him and think he is great for British politics

The fact that he annoys all the right wingers such as the Tory's, the pro-war anti foreigner bigots and the Murdoch press is always a good thing

This link is brilliant by the way:

http://www.theladbible.com/articles/a-wwii-veteran-has-shot-down-a-racist-moaning-about-refugees-coming-into-the-country

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Post by Duty281 on Sat 19 Sep 2015, 3:47 pm

Steffan wrote:The fact that he annoys all the right wingers

He doesn't annoy me! Very Happy

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