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Post by Fernando on Tue 22 Sep 2015, 9:46 am

Tonight's WWE RAW from Laredo, Texas kicks off with Bray Wyatt, Braun Strowman and Luke Harper coming to the ring. Sting is obviously not kicking off the show. Michael Cole, JBL and Byron Saxton talk about Chris Jericho's return at WWE Night of Champions.

Wyatt says he tried to warn Roman Reigns with words and actions. Wyatt says he brought Reigns to his knees last night. Wyatt says Reigns should have listened when he told him "they all fall down." Wyatt goes on but the music interrupts and out comes Reigns through the crowd.

Reigns faces off with The Wyatt Family in the ring as they stare him down and fans chant his name. Reigns says it's always been about he and Wyatt. He suggests they finish it tonight. He tells Wyatt to send Harper and Braun back to the swamp so they can see who makes it out of Laredo. Wyatt runs his mouth and Reigns asks if he's scared to go one-on-one. Reigns says they don't need a referee, don't need it to be a match... he just wants to fight. Wyatt whispers something to Braun and Harper, then they leave the ring. Harper talks trash and Reigns knocks him off the apron. Reigns and Wyatt start bawling now. Reigns unloads and drop him, then hits a big suplex. Reigns with several clotheslines. Reigns runs into a boot and Wyatt takes control. Wyatt runs into a Superman punch and Reigns mounts him with right hands. Harper runs back in as does Braun. Harper goes down but Braun slams Reigns. The music hits and out comes Dean Ambrose.

Ambrose hits the ring and takes out Harper. He knocks Braun off the apron. Ambrose dives out onto Braun twice but can't get him down. Braun drops him with one blow. Reigns runs over but Braun drops him. Ambrose jumps on Braun's back but gets thrown on the floor. Ambrose sends Harper over the barrier as a brawl breaks out. Fans chant for Jericho. Braun sends Ambrose into the steel steps. Harper mauls Reigns and rolls him in. A referee is out to try and restore order now. Harper wraps Reigns in a submission in the ring. Randy Orton's music hits and out he comes to a big pop. He unloads on Bray and then Harper. Orton with a powerslam on Wyatt. Orton sends Harper to the floor. Harper pulls Orton out of the ring but Orton rocks him. Orton backdrops Harper on the announce table. Orton goes after Braun but gets headbutted. Braun brings Orton in the ring but Ambrose makes the save with a missile dropkick. Orton dropkicks Braun but he's still standing. Reigns Superman punches Braun out of the ring but he's still on his feet. The Wyatts regroup on the ramp as Orton, Reigns and Ambrose stand tall in the ring while Reigns' music plays.

- We get a look at John Cena vs. Seth Rollins and Sting vs. Rollins at Night of Champions.

- We see Seth Rollins backstage outside of The Authority's office. He finally walks in and is talking to Triple H and Stephanie McMahon but stops when he sees Corporate Kane. Kane turns around and is back to his old self. Rollins ask why he's here and Kane says he works here. Kane doesn't remember anything about last night. He says he's been recovering from the ankle injury but now he's back to work. Kane says he's arranged for Rollins' rematch against Cena to take place tonight. Rollins is confused by everything and walks out to go wait for Triple H and Stephanie McMahon. We go to commercial.

The Lucha Dragons and Neville vs. Stardust and The Ascension

Back from the break and Stardust is out with Konnor and Viktor. Neville is out next with Sin Cara and Kalisto for this Night of Champions rematch. Konnor starts off with Cara and they go at it. Konnor beats him down and tosses him to the apron. Cara goes to springboard in but slips on the top rope and falls. The camera tried to cut away but still caught it. Konnor makes tags and comes back in for a 2 count.

Stardust comes in with more offense and in next is Neville. Neville unloads on Stardust and takes out The Ascension. Neville goes up top but jumps on the apron instead of hitting Red Arrow as Viktor charges him. They end up taking advantage of the distraction and turn it around as we go to commercial.

Back from the break and Neville is getting destroyed in the corner. Konnor with a 2 count. Viktor tags in for some double teaming and a 2 count. Neville fights back but Viktor drops him for another 2 count. Stardust tags in and comes off the top as Viktor holds the arm. Fans chant "Cody" now. Neville finally comes close to a tag but Viktor tags in and stops him. Viktor knocks Cara off the apron. Kalisto finally gets the tag and takes out The Ascension, then Stardust with a kick. Kalisto with a corkscrew and a kick to send Viktor out. Cara runs and dives out onto Konnor. Neville splashes Stardust but ends up on the floor. The end comes when Kalisto hits Salida del Sol on Viktor for the win.

Winners: Neville and The Lucha Dragons

- Still to come, Rollins vs. Cena. Back to commercial.

- Back from the break and Rollins is glad that Triple H and Stephanie McMahon have arrived. He's not happy about Kane being reinstated as Director of Operations but Triple H doesn't know anything about that. Triple H tells Rollins he should take advantage of the chance to get his title back. The Authority is going to handle everything.

- We get a look back at Kevin Owens defeating Ryback to become the new WWE Intercontinental Champion.

Ryback vs. Bo Dallas

We go to the ring and out comes Ryback to a pop. We go to commercial.

Back from the break and new WWE Intercontinental Champion Kevin Owens is out for commentary. Bo Dallas waits in the ring to face Ryback. Owens and Ryback stare each other down.

Bo takes the mic and congratulates Owens on his win. He tells Ryback he lost because he believed he was better than Owens. Bo says Ryback never will be, and you can Bo-lieve that. The bell rings and Ryback unloads on Bo. Ryback tosses him across the ring but Bo fights back. Ryback beats him down. Ryback keeps control until Bo fights out of the corner. Bo runs into a shoulder tackle. Bo fights his way in from the apron and takes Ryback's knee out. Bo drops knees now. Bo with knees to the face and a boot for a 2 count.

Bo keeps Ryback down for a few minutes. Ryback powers up and slams Bo. Ryback with a spinebuster. Ryback snarls at Owens and readies for the Meathook, nailing it on Bo. Ryback hits Shellshocked for the win.

Winner: Ryback

- As soon as the bell hits, Owens immediately runs in the ring and starts beating on Ryback. Ryback nails a big clothesline out of nowhere and goes for Shellshocked but Owens escapes and retreats up the ramp.

- Still to come, Charlotte's WWE Divas Title Celebration. Back to commercial.

- Back from the break and out comes WWE Hall of Famer Ric Flair to a pop.

Flair talks about Texas for a minute and gets a "thank you Ric" chant. Flair thanks the crowd and says the proudest moment in his entire life was his daughter winning the WWE Divas Title last night at Night of Champions. Flair says she didn't get the title because of him, she earned it. Flair says she beat a great champion in Nikki Bella. Flair introduces his "little girl" and out comes the new WWE Divas Champion Charlotte with Paige and Becky Lynch.

Charlotte gets emotional when talking to her dad. She always thought he was the best and if she can make him half as proud, she knows she's done good as his daughter. They hug and fans cheer. Charlotte thanks Becky for reminding her not to be so serious all the time. Charlotte addresses Paige next and says she has followed in Paige's footsteps and wanted to be where she was. Paige says Charlotte is so nice and this whole celebration is so nice but Paige says she made this possible. Paige tells Becky to shut up. She mocks Charlotte and Flair. Paige says Charlotte says she was just inducted into the Hall of Fame. Paige says Charlotte winning isn't a big deal because she won the title on her first day. Paige says title reigns end and Team Bella is going to take the title, then the Divas division will go back to what it was. Paige calls Charlotte a placeholder. Becky is riled up and Paige knocks her, saying she will never be champion because she's the least relevant. Paige takes shots at Team BAD, Lana, Summer Rae and Natalya. She says we all know why The Bella Twins really got to where they are. Paige says Charlotte wouldn't be here if it wasn't for her old man. Becky holds Charlotte back. Paige does a "whooo!" and tosses the mic before leaving. Paige screams "this is my house" before walking to the back. The music hits and out comes Nikki Bella, Brie Bella and Alicia Fox.

Nikki says she wanted to address Paige and calls her a trashy classless woman. Nikki mocks Charlotte as Team Bella walks towards the ring. Nikki reveals Charlotte vs. Brie in a non-title match for tonight. Nikki says when they have their rematch, Charlotte is losing the title. Nikki wishes her good luck as we go to commercial.

Charlotte vs. Brie Bella

Back from the break and they're going at it. Charlotte with offense until Brie hits a missile dropkick. More back and forth. Charlotte ends up on the floor and hits the steel steps, aggravating the leg injury from last night. She comes back in and Brie goes to work on the leg.

Brie keeps control for most of the match. Charlotte makes a comeback with chops but Brie kicks her. Charlotte with a neckbreaker and a spear. Charlotte applies the Figure Four and bridges it into the Figure Eight for the win.

Winner: Charlotte

- Still to come, Cena vs. Rollins. Back to commercial.

- Back from the break and Michael Cole thanks all of WWE's social media followers.

Sheamus vs. Mark Henry

We go to the ring and out comes Sheamus. Mark Henry is out next.

Fans start with "you look stupid" chants. Sheamus runs his mouth and gets overpowered, then knocked down by Henry. Sheamus goes to the floor and he's upset. Sheamus comes back in with uppercuts and strikes. Henry catches him with a scoop slam. Henry clotheslines Sheamus out to the floor and Sheamus throws a fit. Sheamus comes back to the apron and hits a few forearm shots to the chest but Henry blocks the next one. Henry pulls Sheamus into the ring and scoops him. Sheamus slides out and barely hits a Brogue Kick. Henry gets back up and eats another Brogue for the win.

Winner: Sheamus

- After the match, Sheamus speaks from the stage and says as far as he's concerned, he's the WWE World Heavyweight Champion because it's just a matter of time.

- Still to come, Ziggler and The Dudleyz vs. Rusev and The New Day. Back to commercial.

- Back from the break and Kane is with Stephanie and Triple H. Kane is happy to be back at work but they don't look so sure. Kane asks if they're upset about the Cena vs. Rollins match he made. Triple H brings up last night and Kane asks what is he talking about. Stephanie says Kane can play mind game with Rollins but asks him not to insult their intelligence. Stephanie wants to get them on the same page and asks for Kane's mask back. Kane doesn't know what she's talking about and says if Stephanie lost the mask, then they have a big problem. He says he will help them find out and walks off.

- Paige and Natalya are backstage. Natalya says Paige isn't the only Diva that's ever wanted to lash out and felt frustrated. Natalya says if anyone has felt left out it's her. She says Paige acted unprofessional. She says that was Charlotte's moment. Natalya goes to get ready for her match against Naomi and says the only person standing in Paige's way is Paige.

The New Day and Rusev vs. The Dudley Boyz and Dolph Ziggler

We go to the ring and out comes WWE Tag Team Champions The New Day. Xavier Woods is limping to sell the attack from last night. We go to commercial.

Back from the break and The New Day cuts promos on saving the tables. Rusev is out next with Summer Rae. Bubba Ray and Devon are out next to a pop. Dolph Ziggler is out next to another pop. Fans chant for tables before the bell even rings. Woods starts with the trombone. Kofi Kingston starts off with Ziggler. They lock up a second time for more counters and back and forth. Kofi catapults Dolph out of the corner but he lands on his feet. Dolph catapults Kofi and he lands on his face. Devon tags in and goes to work on Kofi.

Devon with a big leg drop and right hands. Kofi misses in the corner. Devon with a neckbreaker from the second rope. Bubba tags in and they take out Big E. Rusev runs in but scrambles back to the floor when he gets charged at. We go to commercial with Ziggler and The Dudleyz standing tall.

Back from the break and Ziggler dropkicks Big E. Woods distracts Ziggler, allowing for Big E to run over him with a big clothesline. Rusev comes in for a 2 count. Rusev stomps away on Ziggler now. Woods plays Rusev's theme song on the trombone. Rusev keeps control of Ziggler in the ring. Ziggler tries to tag but Rusev stops him and tags in Big E as fans chant for tables.

Kofi comes in and keeps Ziggler down for another 2 count. Ziggler tries to make a tag but Kofi hits a big dropkick for 2. Rusev comes back in and Ziggler gets triple teamed. Rusev yells at Ziggler as he crawls for a tag and cuts him off. Rusev yells to Ziggler that Lana is all his. Rusev misses a splash in the corner. Ziggler finally hits a DDT and tags in Bubba. Bubba unloads on Kofi and hits a big back drop. Bubba with a splash in the corner. Bubba knocks Big E off the apron and hits a sideslam on Kofi. More offense by Bubba as Big E breaks up a pin. Bubba with a big boot to Big E. Rusev tags in but Bubba clotheslines him. Devon tags in for the double team. Ziggler tags in and goes up top for the headbutt while Bubba and Devon hold Rusev's legs. Kofi and Big E get sent to the floor with clotheslines. Woods gets on the apron with the trombone and Ziggler superkicks him off. Ziggler turns around to a superkick from Rusev for the win.

Winners: Rusev and The New Day

- Still to come, Cena vs. Rollins.

Naomi vs. Natalya

Back from the break and Naomi is out with Sasha Banks and Tamina Snuka. Natalya is out next.

They go at it and Natalya takes Naomi down with a side Russian leg sweep. Naomi drops Natalya with a kick from the apron and a knee. Naomi comes in with a 2 count. Naomi with more offense and another 2 count as we see Paige watching backstage. Natalya comes back with a roll up but Naomi drops her again for another close 2 count. Naomi with a slam, a leg drop and another 2 count. Fans chant for Natalya and Naomi doesn't like it. Natalya makes a comeback with kicks and a clothesline. She knocks Tamina off the apron. She goes for a Sharpshooter but Sasha gets on the apron and distracts her. Natalya turns around to a Rear View for the win.

Winner: Naomi

- Triple H and Stephanie are backstage when Rollins walks in. He asks them what the plan is. They believe Kane is ready to get back to his corporate responsibilities but Rollins argues it. Triple H gets upset and shuts Rollins up, telling him they will worry about Kane and he should worry about Cena. Rollins says fine and walks off. Back to commercial.

Big Show vs. Cesaro

Back from the break and out comes Big Show. Cesaro is out next.

Show takes control early on in the corners. Show yells out and drops Cesaro with a gut shot. Cesaro fires back with rights and lefts but Show runs over him with a shoulder. Show takes it back to the corner for a big chop. Show slams Cesaro head first into the turnbuckle and tosses him across the ring. Show chokes Cesaro on the middle rope now. Show with boots in the corner now. Show with an elbow drop for a 2 count.

Show keeps Cesaro down now. Cesaro fights up but Show sends him back down. Cesaro moves and Show misses an elbow drop. Cesaro staggers Show with several shots now. Cesaro with big uppercuts in the corner. Cesaro hits a big running uppercut and goes for another but Show grabs his throat. Cesaro dropkicks Show and he falls out to the floor. Cesaro with a running uppercut on the floor. Cesaro runs and leaps off the announce table but Show catches him and rams him into the ring post. Show brings it back in but Cesaro kicks him. Cesaro tries to suplex Show in from the apron but can't do it. He keeps trying and hits it. Show ends up winning with the knockout punch.

Winner: Big Show

- After the match, Show takes the mic and encourages fans to boo him. Show sends a message to Brock Lesnar and reminds everyone he previously took the WWE Title from Lesnar. Show says Lesnar knows he can't stand him. A "Suplex City" chant starts up and Show says there's no way his big ass is going to Suplex City. Show says he's going to knock Lesnar out when they face off on October 3rd, live on the WWE Network from Madison Square Garden.

- We get another creepy promo from The Wyatt Family.

WWE United States Title Match: Seth Rollins vs. John Cena

We go to the ring and out comes new WWE United States Champion John Cena. Back to commercial.

Back from the break and out comes WWE World Heavyweight Champion Seth Rollins as we get stills from last night. Lilian Garcia does formal ring introductions.

Rollins decks Cena right before Lilian finishes her introduction. Rollins unloads until the referee backs him off. Now we get the bell and Rollins goes for Cena, attempting two pins in a row. Rollins with more quick offense and another pin attempt. We get the dueling chants for Cena already. More back and forth now. Cena goes for the STF but Rollins scrambles for the rope. Cena gets caught and Rollins blocks a clothesline with a kick to the head. Rollins splashes Cena in the corner and covers for another 2 count. Rollins goes down and Cena goes for the Attitude Adjustment but Rollins turns it into a DDT for a 2 count. Rollins kicks Cena out to the floor as we go to commercial.

Back from the break and Rollins is in control of Cena. Rollins with a headlock as fans do dueling chants. More back and forth. Cena hits the comeback moves but Rollins retreats to the floor and tries to leave. Cena brings him back in and goes to the top. Rollins runs up for a superplex but Cena fights him off. More back and forth until Rollins applies the STF on Cena. Rollins turns that into a Crossface. Cena powers up with Rollins on his back. Rollins grabs the ropes and pulls himself to the apron. Rollins springboards in with a knee for a 2 count. Cena ends up with Rollins on his shoulder and slams him on his face for another 2 count. They trade shots in the middle of the ring now. Cena goes for the AA but Rollins slides out. Rollins goes for a Pedigree but Cena goes for the AA. Rollins goes for another Pedigree and gets backdropped. Rollins hits the buckle bomb and a Taka Driver for a 2 count. Rollins goes to the top but takes his time. Cena moves but Rollins rolls through. Cena manages to get the STF locked in but Rollins gets the bottom rope.

Rollins drops Cena with a kick to the head from the apron. Rollins goes back up and hits a frogsplash for a 2 count as Cena rolls through and hits the AA for the win.

Winner: John Cena

- After the match, Cena takes the title to the ramp as his music hits and we get replays. Cena leaves and Rollins recovers in the ring. Corporate Kane appears on the big screen and teases that Demon Kane i coming for the WWE World Heavyweight Title. The pyro explodes on the stage and the red lights set in. Kane punches a hole in the ring and tries to pull Rollins under. Rollins fights him off but Kane comes out and pulls Rollins into the hole. Fans pop as the pyro explodes again. Smoke comes from the hole as Kane's music hits.

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Samo on Tue 22 Sep 2015, 12:45 pm

Was a decent enough episode of RAW, but definitly started to drag on. The third hour is really a killer.

I almost choked when Xavier Woods started playing Rusevs theme on the trombone. New Day are excellent, and I never thought I'd be saying that 3 months ago.

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Post by Kay Fabe on Tue 22 Sep 2015, 2:15 pm

I said years ago that I'd like to see Kane have a split personality type of character where the out of Mask Kane has no recollection of anything the in Mask Kane does, not so sure I'm that fussed about it now but if done right it could be an interesting storyline, just unsure how it'll actually do in practice, at the time I felt it'd be a good second or third stoey behind the Main Event, not thee main event

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Post by Prometheus on Tue 22 Sep 2015, 3:14 pm

Was Paige's promo meant to make her heel or face?
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Post by Samo on Tue 22 Sep 2015, 4:21 pm

Prometheus wrote:Was Paige's promo meant to make her heel or face?

Heel. But when you're talking the truth its hard to hate on it.

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Post by Prometheus on Tue 22 Sep 2015, 4:26 pm

Samo wrote:
Prometheus wrote:Was Paige's promo meant to make her heel or face?

Heel. But when you're talking the truth its hard to hate on it.

When Paige says "We all know how the Bella's got where they are", well I'm thinking no one is going to boo that.
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Post by Kay Fabe on Tue 22 Sep 2015, 4:53 pm

The best heels are ones who say stuff that have truth behind it and we all know it, we're just supposed to think she went the wrong way about it I guess.

It was a would be Pipe Bomb, she was putting everyone in their place, not sure it came off the way it should have, I'd not feel any desire to boo her

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Post by Samo on Tue 22 Sep 2015, 5:11 pm

I can get that argument when its agaisnt Becky, Charlotte and Natalya, but like P said, no one was ever going to boo what she said about the Bellas because they're pretty much universally reviled. The same can be said about Summer Rae, Lana not so much but it'll get a cheer anyway because the story shes in is pants.

I think the 'Paigebomb' hit the nail on the head about alot of things, I only wish she would have been allowed to call out Steph McMahon for taking credit for it all aswell.

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Post by Kareem61 on Tue 22 Sep 2015, 5:49 pm

Thought the ending was odd to say the least. What is Kane actually going to do with Rollins under the ring? Weird.

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Post by NickisBHAFC on Tue 22 Sep 2015, 6:07 pm

I thought Raw was pretty boring tbh

No mention at all of Underraker vs Lesnar?!

Looking like Kane vs Seth Rollins for the title.

Orton to join reigns and Ambrose. Suspect the Jericho and Ambrose feud will pick up later down the line. Could start up again at the royal rumble.

Paige's promo was the best part of the night.


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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Tue 22 Sep 2015, 6:36 pm

Thought Ric Flair did a hell of a job putting over the Divas title which is something I never thought Id say

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 22 Sep 2015, 7:22 pm

The Paige promo was a bit meh, but she delivered it well. It wasnt the promo I'm meh on, really, it was the predictable nature of her getting stroppy so quick. There was probably months of story ruined in one night.

Kane v Rollins was always going to happen. All a bit meh.

Cesaro being fed to Show so Show has some strength going into a Lesnar match was also meh.

I'm watching Raw for Owens, The New Day and, to my surprise, Stardust. This next month feels like it could be really sub-par.

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Post by Hero on Tue 22 Sep 2015, 7:51 pm

It is all very meh at present.

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Post by Ché Guerrero on Tue 22 Sep 2015, 10:09 pm

How the hell have New Day become that entertaining?!

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Post by Kareem61 on Tue 22 Sep 2015, 10:24 pm

New day are the best thing on my screen at the moment. Consistently excellent.

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Post by Kay Fabe on Wed 23 Sep 2015, 5:56 am

It's stupid to turn Paige heel so quickly, her turn started immediately after Charlotte made Nikki Bella tap at N.O.C - This could easily have been a slow burner, allow a proper relationship to develop so when the time comes to have the actual match (WrestleMania) then we would have been really invested in the storyline, its not like they haven't got enough Diva's for Charlotte (and Paige) to contend with in the meantime.

Easy story, Charlotte is Champ, Paige's nose is put out of joint, Paige tries to get on with it and play her role while slowly feeling more and more pushed to the side, she could even help Charlotte in a few of her Title defences when her opponents have outside back up - all leading to Paige's heel turn based on jealousy and the fact she feels she's being ignored for her rightful Title Shot due to being aligned with the Champion

You've got 6 months of storyline there and with all the new faces in that Division anything Charlotte done in the coming few months was going to be fresh anyway so their was no need to jump into the deepend ASAP

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Post by Prometheus on Wed 23 Sep 2015, 3:55 pm

I don't think the teams were working.

The teams I think could have worked if the NXT girls had come up together and stuck together, but it seems that WWE didn't have enough belief in the recognition of NXT to do this.

So IMO they made a real mess of the divas revolution when they started it and big changes needed to be made quickly.

I'll agree that in a different world that slow burn would be a great story. But, if the women's division isn't already dead, I think they needed to do something big and fast.

Credit to them for doing that. Do I think they will make the next steps well enough for that to have been worthwhile? No, but maybe I should give them a chance to see where they go next.
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Post by Samo on Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:04 pm

I dont think I could have survived another 6 months of the Diva teams. This could be the spark that really ignites the divas revolution.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:20 pm

The teams did what it needed to do. Alliances are fine, Nd should be expected in a real division. The obvious route would be to dissolve them to some extent now as the "Revolution" has (once Charlotte retains) done it job.

From there it only needed to become a competitive environment to work. And that includes friends battling with respect. I'd have definitely had team Bella stick together to earn Brie a title shot, and I think Team BAD should have stayed together to use similar tsctics to earn Naomi a shot. The long game being that Paige gets sick and tired of Charlotte's reign and also tired of how everyone else is benefitting. I'd have eventually had her lose a number one contenders fight with Becky and then go on to ruin the title match, turning heel and finally displaying her jealous rage. And I'd have Natty join up with her too, sick of seeing lesser women being given opportunities she deserves and angry at being left out of this revolution. That's given easy chance for Becky n Charlotte v Paige n Natalya at some point. Instead they've blown months of easy yet coherent build all in one night.

Tis the issue with wrestling currently and long evident in the Divas division. There hasn't been a plan beyond the next week for the women for too long.

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Post by Kay Fabe on Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:29 pm

I don't think there is a need to worry about the Womans division being dead or alive, in the grand scheme of things it has very little consequence to the show as a whole so I don't think slowing the Paige heel turn down a good bit would have done any damage to the Division.

The very fact the WWE are still actively showing womens Wrestling given the complete lack of interest they've shown in it in the last 7/8 years outwith the odd angle or two suggests that they know that they can do as they please with it.

If something is worth doing then for me ita worth doing right, rushing things to reset doesn't seem realistic or logical but I highly doubt enough people will invest enough time or emotion into to be truly bothered.

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Post by Prometheus on Wed 23 Sep 2015, 4:42 pm

I'll generally agree with that KF.

The only real issue I have is that WWE has shown us they can do it. Some of the NXT women's matches have been great.

The problem is on the transition from a wrestling show to a sports entertainment show (and one that itself has a Total Divas spin-off, which is a pure entertainment show). And then we have to add all these story angles and wow, WWE make it clunky. And not only do they make it clunky but they just go in the wrong direction too. So we have good 10 minute plus women's matches in NXT, what does WWE do? A beat the clock competition!

If we'd not have had the Charlotte / Becky / Banks matches in NXT no-one would really care, but the fact that WWE gave us a glimpse of what is possible and then just fumbles the ball when they try to take that to WWE is what becomes most annoying.

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Post by Kay Fabe on Wed 23 Sep 2015, 6:53 pm

That's the beauty of NXT being Network exclusive isn't it, they don't have to worry about what works and what doesn't work, they can just allow things to go at their own pace and if it works then great, if not then no real loss

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 23 Sep 2015, 6:57 pm

And there is also all the time to plan, less content to fill and its far easier to keep things fresh. Sadly, WWE won't pay attention to the lessons they learn from it because the 3 hour Raw is a money maker

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Post by Samo on Wed 23 Sep 2015, 7:03 pm

I read an article somewhere that basically said they could use the first hour of RAW to show NXT, and move RAW back to two hours. That way it keeps the three hour slot and it will feel less burnt out, and NXT gets a whole new level of exposure. Not sure how I feel about it though, I think it would be too big a jump for NXT too soon.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 23 Sep 2015, 7:06 pm

Not only that but it starts them off without their big name stars, which are ratings draws, and also means something Network exclusive is suddenly open to the public. Its too much of a primetime slot at the moment to show anything but Raw, unless they are happy reevaluating the deal and making the first or third hour cheaper and showing Main Event. Might force them to use Main Event properly too.

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