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Season 8 Homepage III

Post by SirJohnnyEnglish on Sun 11 Oct 2015, 7:33 pm

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POSAviva PremiershipPLAYEDWONDREWLOSTP FP AP DT FT ATBPLBPPOINTS
1Sale Sharks75201921712120123027
2Harlequins      75201891692017110024
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5Newcastle Falcons   7313177177015161318
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7Worcester Warriors 7304174185-1113160416
8Saracens7214177174314121415
9Exeter Chiefs  *7223177176114130314
10Gloucester   * 7205167189-2213170411
11Bath Rugby7124176183-713160411
12London Wasps7106156182-261015059


Welcome to Season 8 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game.  Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to.  If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players.  If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (SJE) will remove players at its discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the match day 23's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make-up of your squad.
Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have an academy squad of 23 players.  Players who are in the academy must be born on or after 1st September 1993.

Any player, who is at any Premiership club in real life, either in their senior, academy or AASE squads, can be bid for on the domestic bidding page. Players who are at your own club in real life and are coming through the academy system must be bid for if you want them in your own academy.
Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.
  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 5 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. Worcester Warriors & London Wasps will receive two additional bids to be used exclusively on academy age players. These players must be bid for on the National League Bidding page, and each bid will be considered by the RFU on its own merits before being accepted or rejected.  No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.
  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e. from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by the RFU against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    There will be a summer foreign transfer window, which will run as follows.
    Player Draft
    Worcester Warriors & London Wasps will participate in a player draft beginning the week of June 22nd. Both sides will be allowed to draft two players each. The draft picks will go as follows; 1. Worcester 2. Wasps 3. Wasps 4. Worcester.

    Round Bidding
    There will be two rounds of bidding. The first window will run the week starting June 29th and the second the week starting July 3rd. All sides will be allowed to sign one player each during the window. These bids are not protected if you do not have the funds in place to bid during the window you will lose the bid.    

    Open Bidding
    From July 13th the foreign market will be open to all bids similar to previous seasons. Due to the world cup the window will remain open till the end of September.

Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

All released players will be deemed to have joined a Championship side and can be bid for on the National League Bidding page.
Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players.  Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.
Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be European Rugby Champions Cup, European Rugby Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches.  These games will take place once a week. A match thread will be put up every Monday. Home teams must be named by midnight on Tuesday. Away teams must be named by midnight on Wednesday. Failure to meet these deadlines is punishable by the addition of three match points to the oppositions final score, unless both sides fail to do so. Both teams must provide tactics by midnight on Thursday. Predictions will be open from 00:01 hours on Friday and remain open until 20:00 hours on Sunday. Managers will pm the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved).  An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Managers are asked to provide detail as to why they have predicted a result.  To be considered a descriptive prediction this must be a full 3 lines long when entered into the text box.
Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

For domestic competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 4 of those must be in your starting XV.

For European competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 6 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.
Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point.
Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£2m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
Bonuses will be awarded on a scaled basis i.e. 2m for 5 games, 1.6m for 4 games and so on
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc upto a maximum of £5m per fine.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (SJE) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation (foreign transfer value) in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Re: Season 8 Homepage III

Post by dammit_chris on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 12:36 pm

After a no7 and some wing options if anyone has any available?

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Re: Season 8 Homepage III

Post by LukeLovesLuka on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 12:39 pm

I've got a few wingers chris

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Re: Season 8 Homepage III

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 12:40 pm

I've got way too many 7's!

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Re: Season 8 Homepage III

Post by BamBam on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 9:28 am

Denton > Bath apparently

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 9:39 am

That would be some coup the form he's been in.

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Re: Season 8 Homepage III

Post by Steven_Sharks on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 10:24 am

I think I prefer Denton as a player to Faletau. Denton a long way from being a top level 8 a la Read, Parisse, Vermeulen but he has the potential to get to that level.

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Post by Fluxy on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 10:40 am

I like Denton, but he hasn't got the hands for me to get to that level.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 11:04 am

I'm not sure Parisse it at that top level anymore. I'd have him in the next group with Picamoles, Faletau, Denton etc.

Vermeulen & Read are the two best about imo.

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Post by Fluxy on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 11:39 am

Just seen on PR they have confirmed Denton to Bath. Also saw on their Nick Evans Aviva Player of the Month ahead of Don Armand and Nathan Hughes.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 11:46 am

Sounds about fair, all 3 have been impressive. Armand was great against us.

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Post by Fluxy on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 11:52 am

He's scored every game hasn't he? Good find by the Chiefs from South Africa, he's out of contract at the end of the season, and wouldn't be surprised he moved. Then again Exeter have something good going on at the minute!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 11:55 am

He looks like an Exeter type of player, hard working and nothing flash etc. He's certainly outplayed Ewers so far who's looked a little sluggish

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Re: Season 8 Homepage III

Post by ChequeredJersey on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 1:46 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:I'm not sure Parisse it at that top level anymore. I'd have him in the next group with Picamoles, Faletau, Denton etc.

Vermeulen & Read are the two best about imo.

Gorgodze? Kind of Parisse like in that playing for another country, would he be even better with more support or stand out less?
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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 1:56 pm

I think he'd go in the 2nd tier too CJ, all good players but Read and Vermeulem are exceptional imo.

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Post by Steven_Sharks on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 4:13 pm

Gorgodze not quite at Read, Parisse and Vermeulen's level.

And whilst he's my player I don't think there are many better than him after those 3. Maybe Heaslip at his best.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 4:17 pm

If I were rating the 8s I'd go something like

Tier 1 Read & Vermulean
Tier 2 Parisse, Gorgodze & Picamoles
Tier 3 Heaslip, Falatau & Denton


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Post by BamBam on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 4:23 pm

Vunipola and Morgan also in that 3rd tier I reckon, at their best in the 2nd

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 4:27 pm

Billy V potentially Tier 2. Been the best of the home nations 8s the last year or two. Morgan is just to bloody injury prone to truly know how good he is at international

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 4:46 pm

You could combine tier 2 & 3 imo, there's little between them. I'd probably throw Billy in too.

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 4:53 pm

I'd say there was a clear difference between Falatau & Denton compared to the tier 2 guys. Heaslip at his best would be tier 2 but hasn't the form of the others over the last 2-3 years. Falatau looked like he could be best in the world when he burst onto the scene but never really kicked on as expected

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Re: Season 8 Homepage III

Post by BamBam on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 5:03 pm

Faletau is brilliant at the back of the scrum, but round the park he just doesn't seem to do a whole lot. Other than offload to Webb against England in the 6N, I'm struggling to think of a real noticeable contribution against a Tier 1 side

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Post by dammit_chris on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 5:05 pm

Really like Morgan, but drifts in and out go games too easily for me.

Would still have Parisse as top3 no8s - before injury he was brilliant for Italy and has been playing well for Stade Francais this season as well. It is a shame that we won't ever get to see him playing for a top, top team but when you go to see a game in Paris it is incredible how the fans treat him - similar to BOD level worship!

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Post by dammit_chris on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 5:07 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:You could combine tier 2 & 3 imo, there's little between them. I'd probably throw Billy in too.

I'd agree with that. Some very good no8s around at the moment - Read, Parisse, Vermeulan the best, with Picamoles, Gorgodze and Manoa in the next group - Picamoles over the last 18 months has improved out of sight.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 5:13 pm

SirJohnnyEnglish wrote:I'd say there was a clear difference between Falatau & Denton compared to the tier 2 guys. Heaslip at his best would be tier 2 but hasn't the form of the others over the last 2-3 years. Falatau looked like he could be best in the world when he burst onto the scene but never really kicked on as expected

I don't think so.

Judging on WC form all of those are interchangeable. Denton has been off for a year or so but had a great WC. Faletau was steady, Heaslip not great for a while but deserves to be in the mix. I really like Parisse Chris but he's not produced his best for a while, I wouldn't have him near Read/Vermeulen who are leaps above the rest.

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Post by Ozzy3213 on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 7:02 pm

Read and Vermeulen are on a completely different level to the rest.
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Post by dammit_chris on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 8:32 pm

Put Parisse into a strong pack like Read and Vermelulen have...some of the performances he puts in for Italy are just incredible, looks like a one man team at times.

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Re: Season 8 Homepage III

Post by ChequeredJersey on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 9:38 pm

Who (if anyone has opinions given their ages) do people prefer out of Jonah Placid and Malu Falaniko?
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Post by ChequeredJersey on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 9:38 pm

And more immediately- how do people rate Nakawaru after this World Cup?
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Re: Season 8 Homepage III

Post by prop_lyd on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 9:56 pm

I've got placid cj
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Post by ChequeredJersey on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 10:06 pm

furious furious
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Post by dammit_chris on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 10:13 pm

Nakawaru is top class CJ - only thing is people playing in Scotland don't always get the best ratings, but him and Gray's partnership is one of the best in Europe for me.

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Post by ChequeredJersey on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 10:20 pm

Thanks! Also looking at Fonua and DTH
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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 3:54 am

ChequeredJersey wrote:And more immediately- how do people rate Nakawaru after this World Cup?

I really struggle with him CJ. He a good carrier but throws an offload almost every time, usually to nobody. I think he's a bit of a liability tbh.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 3:55 am

dammit_chris wrote:Put Parisse into a strong pack like Read and Vermelulen have...some of the performances he puts in for Italy are just incredible, looks like a one man team at times.

He's not put these performances in for a long time though Chris. He's still a very good player but not at his previous levels imo.

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Post by ChequeredJersey on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 8:30 am

In the World Cup, I'd say almost every offload created space and an opportunity for another Fijian, Pooly
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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 8:35 am

ChequeredJersey wrote:In the World Cup, I'd say almost every offload created space and an opportunity for another Fijian, Pooly

I think I'd put that more at 50-60%, he gave away a lot of ball. He wastes a lot more in the Rabo, others aren't always on the same wave length. He's very exciting to watch but very loose.

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Post by Steven_Sharks on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 9:40 am

Nakarawa is a top talent. really a fan. He brings as much as just about any other forward in the world in an attacking sense.

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Post by BamBam on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 12:18 pm

Lancaster gone

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 12:19 pm

Had to happen

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Post by Steven_Sharks on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 12:42 pm

inevitable. When rather than if.

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Re: Season 8 Homepage III

Post by Driver on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 1:04 pm

RFU keep sending a auto reply too my CV
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Post by Fluxy on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 1:27 pm

That's because Football Manager experience doesn't count mate Wink

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 1:38 pm

Jake White 9/2

Mike Ford 5/1

Eddie Jones 5/1

Rob Baxter 11/2

Dean Ryan 11/2

Jim Mallinder 6/1

I really hope we can rule out the bottom 2 quickly.

I wouldn't be overly disappointed with Ford, White or Baxter.

White & Wayne Smith would be my dream team.

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Post by prop_lyd on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 3:22 pm

Do we reckon England will stick with English coaches or look further afield now?! Will amy of the backroom team fall on their sword too?

See Burgess has taken a battering from Bath for leaving, wonder if there is more to come out.
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Post by prop_lyd on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 3:24 pm

Am in uni this weekend so may struggle to predict.
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Post by prop_lyd on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 3:39 pm

Lewsey set to step down from wru in Jan. Coincidence or maybe a replacement for Rob Andrew/Ian Ritchie?
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Post by Steven_Sharks on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 4:04 pm

If Andy Farrell stays I'll be annoyed. I'm a great believer in that a conflict of interest cannot exist in a parent child situation.

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Post by Driver on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 4:57 pm

I think Farrell has too take the plunge, worst case for me is that Andy Farrell leads the team through the 6Ns and they do well.
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Post by Driver on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 5:04 pm

Ian Richie confirms the RFU will be willing to buy out a coach from another Union.

Joe Liden takes over for now by the sounds of things.
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Post by Driver on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 5:05 pm

Joe Lydon - Former Wigan Warriors full back
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