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Post by Fernando on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 12:08 pm

Tonight's WWE RAW from Chicago opens up with Kane backstage. He has Stephanie McMahon and Triple H on speakerphone. They're having some travel issues and a really rough day it sounds like. They're leaving Kane in charge and say they need him to act professional. Triple H says he's counting on Kane and will be in touch later with more instructions. A crew member comes in and Kane orders her to tell Rollins that he has a Lumberjack Match later tonight - against Kane. We go to the RAW opening video.

- We go to the ring and Dean Ambrose comes to the ring. He says The Authority is running late tonight. He welcomes us to RAW and says he's looking for a fight. Randy Orton's music hits and out he comes.

Orton reveals that he will be teaming with Ambrose against Braun Strowman and Luke Harper at Hell In a Cell. There's tension between the two as they don't trust each other. WWE Tag Team Champions The New Day interrupt. They brag about taking out John Cena and Dolph Ziggler last week. Big E mocks Cena. They say they did something The Shield, The Authority, Evolution and Legacy couldn't do. Orton laughs as they say he gives a new meaning to the word groupie. They make their way down to the ring but Kane appears on the big screen. He says the inmates aren't running the asylum tonight, he is. He sends a referee to the ring and we have a match.

Randy Orton and Dean Ambrose vs. The New Day

Big E and Kofi Kingston will be in action as Xavier Woods starts the trombone. Ambrose and Kofi go at it to start. Kofi gets knocked to the floor with an elbow. Ambrose goes to dive out but Kofi backs off for a breather and Orton stands tall with Ambrose as we go to commercial.

Back from the break and Orton and Ambrose are in control of Kofi. Big E comes in but Ambrose unloads for a 2 count. Orton comes back in and dropkicks Big E for a 2 count. Big E turns it around in the corner but Ambrose comes back in and they take control. Ambrose mounts Big E with right hands in the corner. Ambrose goes to the top with a missile dropkick and a 2 count.

Orton comes back in and keeps Big E down. Orton stomps away and goes to drop a knee but Ambrose tags himself in and Orton doesn't like this. Ambrose does Orton's stomps on Big E and Orton tags himself back in. Orton with more vicious stomps on Big E. Ambrose tries to show up Orton and stomps again. Orton and Ambrose have words as Kofi tags in but runs into double team elbows. They send Kofi to the floor and go back to arguing as we cut to commercial.

Back from the break and Kofi has Orton down. They unload on Orton in the corner with stomps and quick tags as Woods yells. Big E whips a Kofi dropkick into Orton. They keep Orton down with double teaming and tags as Woods plays the trombone now.

Orton tries to fight back but Big E drops him with an elbow. Big E mocks Orton's pose and tosses him out to the floor. Woods hits Orton with a cheap shot while the referee was distracted. Orton gets on the apron but Big E charges. Orton side steps and Big E flies out to the floor. Orton kicks Big E off and tags in Ambrose. Ambrose unloads on Big E and hits the running bulldog. He knocks Kofi off the apron and leaps out onto him. Ambrose pulls the top rope down and Big E hits the floor. Ambrose dives out onto both of them. They come back in and Ambrose hits a top rope elbow for a 2 count. Big E catches Ambrose in a belly to belly after Woods distracted him. Kofi comes in but misses and Orton tags in. He unloads on Kofi and hits the powerslam. Orton goes for the second rope draping DDT as Ambrose dives out onto Woods. Kofi blocks the DDT but misses Trouble In Paradise. Orton takes him back to the apron and hits the DDT. Orton goes for the RKO but Kofi shoves Orton into Ambrose, knocking him to the floor. Kofi gets the pin on Orton.

Winners: The New Day

- After the match, The New Day dances away as Ambrose shakes his head at what happened with Orton.

- We see Kane backstage waiting on The Authority to call him back. Still to come, Reigns vs. Strowman. Also, a preview for Lesnar vs. The Undertaker. Back to commercial.

- We get a long preview for The Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar at Hell In a Cell.

Nikki Bella vs. Naomi

We go to the ring as Nikki Bella, Brie Bella and Alicia Fox make their way to the ring. Back to commercial.

Back from the break and Naomi is wrapping up her entrance. She's joined by Sasha Banks and Tamina Snuka as we get a look back at NXT "Takeover: Respect" with Sasha vs. NXT Women's Champion Bayley.

We come back and fans are cheering for Sasha. The bell rings and fans start chanting "we want Sasha" as Nikki and Naomi go at it. Naomi takes control and goes for a 2 count. Nikki catches Naomi in a big slam as the Sasha chants continue. Nikki shows off and covers for a 2 count. Nikki keeps control as Team Bella cheers her on. Nikki with shoulder thrusts in the corner. Nikki with a snap mare and a kick to the back. Nikki with a knee to the back now. Naomi fights back with knees and slams Nikki but misses a leg drop. Nikki with a 2 count.

Team BAD looks on as Nikki keeps Naomi down. Naomi fights back with a bunch of kicks and a dropkick. Nikki wastes time and charges but gets dumped to the floor. Nikki leaps out to the floor, taking down Alicia and Nikki. Brie stands on the announcers table with a mic and chants "we want Sasha" in an attempt to cause problems within Team BAD. Sasha runs over and pulls Brie's leg out, causing her to fall on the floor. This leads to Nikki taking advantage of a distraction in the ring, hitting the Rack Attack for the win.

Winner: Nikki Bella

- After the match, Team Bella retreats as Team BAD helps Naomi up in the ring.

- Still to come, our Lumberjack main event, which is sponsored by Payday candy bars. Also, John Cena will defend his title. Back to commercial.

- Back from the break and we see video of Byron Saxton talking to fans about who is the most unconventional Superstar or Diva. Most of them say Paige. We also get a pre-recorded video of Saxton backstage with Paige. She thanks the fans but says they didn't give her any recognition in the Divas Revolution. She goes on and pulls a Payday candy bar from Saxton's coat, kisses it and says "victory never tasted so sweet" before walking off.

- We go to the ring and out comes WWE United States Champion John Cena.

Cena talks about Chicago and gives props to fans in the Allstate Arena, talking about his history there. Cena says the fans make it special and they deserve excellence. He says tonight, they will get excellence and opportunity. He says tonight Chicago is the place to be and John Cena is the man to beat. He kicks off the US Open Challenge and out comes Dolph Ziggler.

WWE United States Title Match: Dolph Ziggler vs. John Cena

Eden does formal ring introductions as we get ready to go. They lock up and Ziggler applies a headlock. They run the ropes and Cena takes Ziggler down and works on the arm. Ziggler ends up going to the floor for a breather. Cena takes the mic as fans chant "yes!" and it turns out that a man just proposed to his girlfriend in the crowd and she said yes. Cena congratulates the couple and we get back to the match. Fans chant "she said yes" as the man celebrates. Cena drops Ziggler and goes back to the corner applaud the man. Ziggler takes advantage and takes Cena down. We go to commercial.

Back from the break and Cena gets out of a sleeper hold but Ziggler comes back with a splash in the corner and a neckbreaker for a 2 count. Ziggler drops a bunch of elbows on Cena and shows off before missing the 10th elbow. Cena comes back with shoulder tackles. Ziggler misses a clothesline and Cena slams him as fans boo some. Cena calls for the Five Knuckle Shuffle but Ziggler dropkicks him for a 2 count.

Ziggler misses the Fame-asser and Cena hits the Shuffle. Ziggler blocks an Attitude Adjustment for a 2 count. Cena applies the STF in the middle of the ring. Ziggler turns that into a sleeper hold on the mat. Cena stands up with Ziggler and turns it into an AA but Ziggler rolls to the floor so he can't be pinned. Cena brings Ziggler back in the ring and covers for a 2 count. Cena takes Ziggler to the top as we get dueling Cena chants from the crowd. Cena goes for a super AA but Ziggler fights off and jumps back up for a huge DDT. Ziggler with a close 2 count.

Ziggler calls for the superkick like Shawn Michaels but Cena catches it and nails a clothesline. Cena goes for the STF but Ziggler kicks him off. Ziggler with a dropkick. Cena catches a splash in the corner and turns it into an AA but Ziggler counters that with a Fame-asser in mid-move. Ziggler with a close 2 count. Ziggler rocks Cena but Cena applies the STF again. Ziggler reaches the bottom rope and breaks the hold. They end up on top and Ziggler headbutts Cena to the mat. Cena catches a crossbody and rolls through. Cena goes for the AA but Ziggler rakes his eye. Ziggler with a superkick for a very close 2 count.

They trade several big right hands now. Cena scoops Dolph for an AA but he slides out. Cena blocks the Zig Zag. Ziggler with a headbutt to the face and a Zig Zag for another close 2 count. Cena gets the win after Ziggler runs into the AA.

Winner: John Cena

- After the match, Cena and Ziggler are both slow to get up. The referee checks on them as we go to replays. Cena gets his title and stares Ziggler down as his arm is raised.

- Kane is backstage watching. The phone rings and he puts Triple H on speakerphone again. They're having more travel issues as we hear Stephanie yelling at a flight attendant. Triple H has to call Kane back later. They still don't know what the main event is but Kane told them about Ziggler vs. Cena.

- Still to come, Reigns vs. Strowman. Back to commercial.

The Dudley Boyz vs. The Ascension

Back from the break and out comes Devon and Bubba Ray Dudley. Konnor and Viktor look on.

The Ascension attack The Dudleyz while they're preparing to start. They unload on Devon and double team him. Viktor with a big knee. Fans chant for tables as Viktor works over Devon and slams him for a 2 count. Viktor keeps Devon grounded as Bubba gets fans to rally. They end up hitting the 3D on Viktor for the win.

Winners: The Dudley Boyz

- Still to come, Kane vs. Rollins in the Lumberjack main event. Back to commercial.

Sheamus and King Barrett vs. Neville and Cesaro

Back from the break and both teams are out. Cesaro and Neville take control early on. Sheamus tags in and trades several big uppercuts with Cesaro. Cesaro with the running uppercuts in the corners and a dropkick. Sheamus decks Cesaro and turns it around. Cesaro dumps him to the apron. Sheamus hits forearms to the chest but Cesaro nails him. Sheamus goes for the battering ram but runs into an uppercut. Sheamus hits the floor. Cesaro ends up taking Sheamus and Barrett out on the floor with uppercuts. Neville tags in and Cesaro launches him out onto Sheamus and Barrett. Neville brings Sheamus back in and rolls him up for 2.

Barrett ends up hitting a Bullhammer while the referee isn't looking and Sheamus gets the pin.

Winners: Sheamus and King Barrett

- We get a video package for Braun Strowman. Still to come, Braun vs. Roman. Back to commercial.

- Back from the break and Michael Cole plugs Xavier Woods' "UpUpDownDown" YouTube gaming channel.

Roman Reigns vs. Braun Strowman

We go to the ring and Roman Reigns makes his way out through the crowd. Reigns takes the mic and gives a shout out to Chicago. He says the beef between he and Bray Wyatt has to do with the WWE World Heavyweight Title and talks about how Wyatt stopped him from winning Money In the Bank. Fans have been giving him the "what?" treatment and he asks if they're having trouble hearing him or not. He goes on and talks about their feud. A "boring" chant breaks out and Reigns says this isn't boring, it's real life. Reigns talks about how he does this for his daughter's future. Reigns says he's going to rip Wyatt apart at Hell In a Cell. Reigns continues the lengthy promo until the music hits and Braun Strowman is out with Luke Harper and Wyatt.

Wyatt stops on the stage and cuts a promo on Reigns. They have words and the music hits again as Wyatt tells something to Braun and sends him to the ring. Back to commercial.

Back from the break and Strowman overpowers Reigns to start. Reigns comes back and ends up mounting Braun with rights in the corner. Braun sends him to the mat and rams him from corner to corner. Braun with knees and elbows in the corner as Wyatt and Harper look on from ringside. Braun with a big clothesline. Strowman continues to overpower Reigns and beat him around, talking trash. Reigns tries for a Samoan Drop but can't get it. Strowman with a huge boot that sends Reigns to the floor. Reigns fights back, hitting Strowman from the floor as he leans over the middle rope. Reigns nails the Drive By to put Braun on his knees. Reigns goes for another Drive By but Braun cuts him off with a huge clothesline.

Reigns turns it round on the floor and slams Braun's face into the announce table. Harper runs over but Reigns drops him with a Superman punch. Reigns hits a Superman punch on Braun, sending him over the announce table. Reigns comes back in and wins by count out.

Winner by Count Out: Roman Reigns

- After the bell, Braun gets upset and starts throwing stuff. Wyatt is also peed off and orders them into the ring but Reigns slides out as all three enter. Reigns stares back at the ring as Wyatt talks trash. Wyatt tells him to "follow the buzzards" but Reigns decks him in the face. Reigns' music leaves as he makes his exit.

- Kane is backstage when Triple H calls. He and Stephanie are headed to the arena. Triple H is having some reception issues and can't make out who Rollins' opponent is for tonight's Lumberjack main event. We go to commercial.

Ryback vs. Rusev

Back from the break and we get a look back at Summer Rae proposing to Rusev last week. Cole talks about Rusev and Lana's real-life engagement. Summer Rae is at ringside with Rusev tonight as Ryback waits. They go at it and Ryback takes control. Rusev turns it round and Ryback misses a spear in the corner. Rusev works Ryback over and sends him into the ring post. Rusev works on the arm and keeps Ryback down. Ryback tries to come back but Rusev cuts him off. Ryback comes back with shoulders and a big tackle. Ryback with a back drop.

Ryback gets a quick "feed me more" chant going and hits the Meathook clothesline. Rusev slides out of Shellshocked and hits a superkick for a 2 count with his feet on the ropes. Rusev argues with the referee about his feet being on the ropes. Rusev misses a splash in the corner and Ryback nails Shellshocked for the win.

Winner: Ryback

- After the match, Ryback takes his title and leaves as we go to replays. Summer comes in to check on her "Ru-Ru" and calls him her sweetness. She could have done this in the back but says she wants the whole world to know the real man he is to her. She shows us the TMZ article about Rusev and Lana being engaged. She's upset that Rusev didn't tell her, that she had to find out online. She says this shows her exactly the kind of man Rusev is. She calls him a whipped little boy. Summer thanks him because she will never waste anymore time on a narcissistic, egotistical, jealous, lying I am a twonk of the highest order. She slaps him to a pop. Summer drops the mic and storms off. Rusev yells at her as she walks to the back.

- Still to come, our Lumberjack main event. Back to commercial.

Kalisto vs. Kevin Owens

Back from the break and The Lucha Dragons make their way to the ring. WWE Intercontinental Champion Kevin Owens is out next for a non-title match. We see Owens beating Sin Cara and attacking Kalisto last week.

The bell rings and Owens misses. Kalisto goes to work with kicks. Kalisto with a scissors takedown but Owens comes right back with a huge clothesline. Owens unloads on Kalisto and slams him before hitting the senton. Owens talks trash to fans and Cole. Owens with right hands. Kalisto fights back with kicks but Owens drops him. Owens talks trash and Kalisto kicks him in the face. Kalisto charges but Owens dumps him out to the floor. Owens runs the ropes and teases a dive but stops, rolls out and levels Kalisto anyway. Owens mocks the "lucha" chants and rolls Kalisto back in. Owens talks trash to Cara. Kalisto kicks Owens and leaps out but Owens dumps him on his head. Owens brings it back in for a 2 count.

Owens ends up going for a pop-up powerbomb but it's blocked. Kalisto makes a comeback for a 2 count. Kalisto plants Owens on his face for a 2 count. More offense and a big DDT by Kalisto for a 2 count. Owens runs into a big boot. Kalisto goes to the top and comes down but Owens catches him with the pop-up powerbomb for the win.

Winner: Kevin Owens

- After the match, Owens goes to the floor and grabs his title. He raises it up to the announcers as we go to replays. Owens raises the title on the stage and calls this The Kevin Owens Show.

- Still to come, our Lumberjack main event. Back to commercial.

Charlotte and Becky Lynch vs. Brie Bella and Alicia Fox

Back from the break and Paige is on commentary as Becky Lynch and WWE Divas Champion Charlotte wrap up their entrance. Team Bella looks on.

Brie and Becky start things off. Becky takes control early on. She goes on and Charlotte tags in for some double teaming. Brie nails Charlotte and knocks Becky off the apron but turns around to chops from Charlotte. Charlotte unloads and hits the neckbreaker. She knocks Alicia off the apron and spears Brie to a pop. Charlotte goes for the Figure Eight. Nikki and Alicia get on the apron. Natalya comes over to stop them but Paige gets up and has words with Natalya. Paige shoves Natalya into the apron and Brie kicks her in the back of the head. Natalya goes down. The match ends with Brie hitting a missile dropkick on Charlotte for the pin.

Winners: Brie Bella and Alicia Fox

- Kane is backstage on the phone with The Authority. They have reception now and they're not happy with Kane putting himself in a match against Rollins. Triple H orders Kane not to go out for the main event. He has to go and tells Kane not to screw this up. Kane understands and walks off. Back to commercial.

- Back from the break and Rollins is backstage kissing up to Big Show in hopes that he will help him in the main event. Show laughs at him and says he has a great sense of humor. Show walks off. Corporate Kane walks up and says Triple H just informed him that he cannot be in the main event. Kane tells Rollins not to worry because he will find a suitable replacement. Kane walks off.

- We get another video for Lesnar vs. The Undertaker.

Lumberjack Match: Demon Kane vs. Seth Rollins

We go to the ring and more than 20 WWE Superstars fill the ringside area. Back to commercial.

Back from the break and Demon Kane is revealed as the opponent. They brawl back and forth with Lumberjacks getting involved. At one point Rollins tries to run away but Cesaro brings him back through the crowd. Kane ends up going down as Big Show hits him with a knockout punch at ringside. Show walks off. Rollins brings it back in for a 2 count. More back and forth with Rollins taking control. Rollins goes on to nail a big knee from the top for a 2 count.

A Lumberjack brawl breaks out at ringside when The New Day pulls Kane out and stomps on him. This leads to The New Day and other heels bringing Kane in the ring. Kane stops their beatdown and the babyface Lumberjacks come in for another big brawl. Rollins ends up trying for a Pedigree after the chaos but Kane gets the win.

Winner: Kane

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by liverbnz on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 12:22 pm

Rollins ends up trying for a Pedigree after the chaos but Kane gets the win.

Winner: Kane

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Wonderful description of what happened. Feel like I was right there in the front row.

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Marky on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 12:43 pm

Saw a lot of people praising Ziggler v Cena. I thought it was a good match, but loads of false finishes doesn't make it a great match.

Also this needs to go somewhere, either Ziggler turning heel to win the title unfairly or maybe the underdog story of him coming back from defeat to win it. But he now needs to win it or he's just failed again.

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Fernando on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 1:32 pm

Quite enjoyed this week alot of filler though. I would like to congratulate the idiot backstage who thought giving Roman a mic in Chicago was a wise idea were always going to sh*t all over it.

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Post by Kay Fabe on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 2:08 pm

Reigns segment was hard to watch, he tried his best but the more he tried the more mundane he sounded.

I enjoyed the Cena/Ziggler Match but the problem I have which is basically the problem I have with the vast majority of Cena matches was the ending  I hate how Cena somehow manages to kick out of a seemingly impossible situation while he looks half dead thenot 7 seconds later he'said hit the AA and won the match.

Orton has no social skills at all as an on screen talent, in ring he's flawless, as a heel he's often flawless too but as a face buddying up to people it all just looks so manufactoredge ano awkward.

I like the premise of this Kane angle but not where it's at, I'm hoping this is the bigger picture though, I always said I wanted to see Kane have a split personality, one where without the mask he has no recollection of what he does when he has it, this would lead to HHH (My imitral thought was Vince) trying to destroy him only for the Undertaker to make the save, as the months wore on I'd have Taker finding it more impossible to "fix" him and he's becoming more and more erratic, Undertaker/Kane would then have a buried alive Match at WrestleMania(?????) and when Taker puts Kane in the ground and they start filling it up with Dirt I'd like to see Taker turn to the crowd give them the arm up and jump in with Kane, like when Terminator destroyed himself at the end of Terminator 2...kind of like leading Kane into the Darkness

All quite supernatural I know but as they are two supernatural characters I think it's an angle that would be able to work

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Post by Prometheus on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 2:17 pm

This would be even better if on Raw the next day the grave is shown as empty. And then Heath Slater and Diego are unveiled as the new UT and Kane.
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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Marky on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 2:28 pm

Fernando wrote:Quite enjoyed this week alot of filler though. I would like to congratulate the idiot backstage who thought giving Roman a mic in Chicago was a wise idea were always going to sh*t all over it.

To be honest, why should the WWE pander to idiots who think they're better than the rest of the WWE Universe? The story might not be the best but lets be honest, those fans were hating on Reigns because he's not Daniel Bryan, CM Punk or Cesaro.

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Kay Fabe on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 3:13 pm

WWE Universe?  Laugh

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Post by Marky on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 4:10 pm

Well, I was going to say fanbase. But we're all part of the Universe if we're all fans Wink

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by NickisBHAFC on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 5:42 pm

Kay Fabe wrote:WWE Universe?  Laugh

Laugh

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 8:35 pm

It was an ok Raw until Kane skipped the match so that Kane could go out there. Then the last part was just dull. Kane isnt scary any more, sadly. And he got a reasonably clean pin over Rollins.

Cena/Ziggler was very good, and for once I think the false-finishes worked because everyone knows Cena is having time off, so we're all waiting for Cena to lose. I think this was done even better by Ziggler adding little heelish traits as a tease to him turning heel and winning. Clever ring workers the both of them, although I think only Cena is allowed to do things like congratulate an engaged couple mid match, which as a whole is a shame.

Also, kudos on Lana for being so kayfabe for months on social media then just dropping the engagement bomb. WWE done the best of a bad job there, really needed Lana on screen to explain herself though.

Felt for Reigns. The delivery was fine, but it wasnt the right place for him specifically to be doing a rambling promo. And then to make it about his family...not gonna work. He isnt the "everyman" and being built that way will kill him.

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Post by Kay Fabe on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 9:06 pm

Yeah exactly what I thought, he did well to react to the crowd and not let it get to him but the subject he jumped to was cringey and he lost the viewers, well he did with me anyway and I'd gauge I wasn't alone, I can't see him making it to the top as a face before getting gets there as a heel, he talks to much, only a select few can really talk to much and nail it, he's not even near the vicinity of that ballpark yet, that's not a criticism though, I don't think anyone on the roster at the moment can get away with talking to much

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 9:13 pm

And considering how directed their promos are then its ludicrous that someone is planning this for him. In the same way Orton shouldnt be buddying around and making wisecracks, Reigns shouldnt be giving us rambles into his thoughts.

There are many examples of characters being out of kilter with what they should be, and pretty much all of them are faces. The faces that are not being given awful character development (need a better phrase) are the ones not being pushed anyway. Cesaro seems to do things unscripted and his fans connect with it. What happens? Hes fodder to Big Show and then part of a tag match with Neville that they lose.

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Samo on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 9:39 pm

Reigns was getting a decent reaction until he started his promo. It sounds disconnected, like he's trying to translate someone elses words and its not working - almost like McMahon is writing for him again. Less is definitely more in his case.

The Lana/Rusev thing is a Frak joke. Why even mention it? They could have had something decent with Rusev and Summer chasing a championship so they could get married. They dont need to acknowledge everything that goes on out the ring, like Cena and Nikki. Everyone knows they're a couple, but its not mentioned on TV. It just pisses me off so much. The whole things been a botch from start to finish, and as they were maybe finally getting someone they blow it.

Neville and Cesaro vs Sheamus and BNB was just a mess. Im so glad that Cesaro is getting the treatment he deserves after two incredible matches with Cena.

Seth loses again. Quality.

Cena vs Ziggler was another very good TV match in the US series, but it needs to be more than that. Ziggler could turn heel and take the belt and that makes him a bit more interesting. They're going to need to pull the trigger on this thing soon, instead of just having great but overall meaningless matches.

It was a tale of two halves this week, proving both the highs and the lows, Im trying to be more positive but theres so much to hate right now its difficult.

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 13 Oct 2015, 10:47 pm

I think they'd have been ridiculous to let the Rusev thing go on. Not only was it a poor story, but it's the era we're in. If Bimbo Hogan gets Poopie for it in TNA then Lana should too. Rusev may well have been punished with that match and Summer running him down. It's interesting now because they obviously had ideas for Lana but she now looks pathetic in kayfabe. And even if she didn't, she has to come back as a heel now. Sure, she's a better heel but it's a kick in the nuts for any plans of Lana representing WWE as a face. Least they've torn Ziggler straight out of it and not even done a break up angle.

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by The Womble on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 11:55 am

I don't watch a lot of wrestling, haven't done for years, but I still follow it online etc.

Who is realistically going to take Cena's US title? Is there anyone who he would deem worthy enough to pin him? Or is it going to be a screw job?
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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Prometheus on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 12:23 pm

The Womble wrote:I don't watch a lot of wrestling, haven't done for years, but I still follow it online etc.

Who is realistically going to take Cena's US title? Is there anyone who he would deem worthy enough to pin him? Or is it going to be a screw job?

The odd thing to me is that Cena is pretty Teflon at this point. Even if he loses, he'll still be over.

I think that the decision on who he drops the title to will probably be driven by Cena.

In my own fantasy booking, I wonder how fit Zayn is now with him announced as appearing at the Evolve show. If he is fit enough to wrestle, I think it would make a great story for him to come back and win the title he was so close to winning before, he's a wrestler that fans can really get behind and that rub from Cena would help that. And a champion vs champion program of Zayn and Owens down the line would be awesome.
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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Samo on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 12:28 pm

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The Womble wrote:I don't watch a lot of wrestling, haven't done for years, but I still follow it online etc.

Who is realistically going to take Cena's US title? Is there anyone who he would deem worthy enough to pin him? Or is it going to be a screw job?

The odd thing to me is that Cena is pretty Teflon at this point.  Even if he loses, he'll still be over.  

I think that the decision on who he drops the title to will probably be driven by Cena.  

In my own fantasy booking, I wonder how fit Zayn is now with him announced as appearing at the Evolve show.  If he is fit enough to wrestle, I think it would make a great story for him to come back and win the title he was so close to winning before, he's a wrestler that fans can really get behind and that rub from Cena would help that.  And a champion vs champion program of Zayn and Owens down the line would be awesome.

God Zayn vs Owens in a unification feud would be the greatest thing WWE have done in over a decade.

I dont Zayn think is able to wrestle yet, and his appearance at Evolve is just that, but its encouraging none the less. If Cena is taking time off soon and Zayn still isnt cleared to compete then Im not sure who its going to be, although its likely to be Ziggler. They've almost immediately distanced him from the Rusev/Lana/Summer Rae thing without so much as a mention so he's going to need something to do until Rumble time, giving him the US title before Zayn returns could work. Then Zayn takes the title and faces Owens at Mania to unify the belts and I've just glued my boxers to my leg brb

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 12:42 pm

Breeze is my pick, or one of the New Day if they lose the tags

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Post by Kay Fabe on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 12:54 pm

If the decision is driven by Cena and that's not an obscure observation by any stretch then I live in hope that Cesaro might just take it, while he's well out the picture just now Cena isn't adverse to playing politics and he knows Ows Cesaro is a favourite with the fans so it would definitely mean he'll be involved in a memorable Match.

It seems geared towards Ziggler at the moment though but the commentators on Monday were making a big point that it could be anyone at anytime

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 3:59 pm

If he does one at Hell in a Cell we definitely have more chance of a debut or returning star. Shame Sting got himself so battered, I really think Sting winning the US title makes sense.

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Prometheus on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 4:18 pm

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The Lana/Rusev thing is a Frak joke.  Why even mention it?  They could have had something decent with Rusev and Summer chasing a championship so they could get married.  They dont need to acknowledge everything that goes on out the ring, like Cena and Nikki.  Everyone knows they're a couple, but its not mentioned on TV.  It just pisses me off so much.  The whole things been a botch from start to finish, and as they were maybe finally getting someone they blow it.
I've heard talk that was exactly the plan, and it may have even been for the World Title. There seems to be an assumption that Lana (or Rusev, or Lana & Rusev) leaked the pic. Which will now probably end up with Rusev getting punished to some degree, and it seems that Summer Rae is the big loser here.
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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Samo on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 5:20 pm

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Samo wrote:
The Lana/Rusev thing is a Frak joke.  Why even mention it?  They could have had something decent with Rusev and Summer chasing a championship so they could get married.  They dont need to acknowledge everything that goes on out the ring, like Cena and Nikki.  Everyone knows they're a couple, but its not mentioned on TV.  It just pisses me off so much.  The whole things been a botch from start to finish, and as they were maybe finally getting someone they blow it.
I've heard talk that was exactly the plan, and it may have even been for the World Title.  There seems to be an assumption that Lana (or Rusev, or Lana & Rusev) leaked the pic.  Which will now probably end up with Rusev getting punished to some degree, and it seems that Summer Rae is the big loser here.

Even if Rusev and Lana leaked the photo/news, theres no reason to acknowledge it as kayfabe. Thats what annoys me about it so much. They never even mentioned that Rusev and Lana were a couple outside kayfabe when she was his valet. The whole this is a bizzare mess, and symptomatic of WWE's biggest problems right now. Rusev is such a talent as had improved so much in a year its frightening, but he's suffering the same treatment every monster heel gets - built up to the moon, fed to Cena, jobs to everyone and becomes a comedy/stupid act. Its criminal.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 7:27 pm

No. You cannot ignore that now. I'm sorry, but you cant have a kayfabe social media queen leaking news to TMZ and then pretend its not there.

They've ackowledged TMZ too much anyway, and it had hit twitter big. They use Twitter a lot, its kayfabe generally, and the target of the love triangle stuff would have been the audience who follow TMZ stuff.

They went with Lana over Rusev as their star of that duo to get pushed. Arguably she was the better performer. And its blown up in their faces now. Rusev isnt going anywhere yet, and I would have hated that apparent title push, successful in the end or not.

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Post by Kay Fabe on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 7:33 pm

Do you think Lanarkshire had her nose put of of joint a bit with the whole Summer RAW proposing to her fella and the green eyed monster came out with that leaked pic?

She wouldn't be the first person to get the jealousy bug in Wrestling, it is all such a mess, this all came about because Vince had an Old On for Lana and didn't think people would believe a woman like her would fall for a guy that looks like Rusev so split them up believing Lana would be a big money maker for him, such a stupid move, the money is in them as a pair, it's clear as day for a novice like me, God only knows why someone who built a life on this couldn't recognise that.

It's still such a poor show from WWE though, like many have said, why bother acknowledging it at all, it was never alluded to in the past so why bother now, just keep the storming flowing and when the time comes have Lana turn heel on Ziggler by realigning with Rusev at the right moment

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Post by Samo on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 8:22 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:No. You cannot ignore that now. I'm sorry, but you cant have a kayfabe social media queen leaking news to TMZ and then pretend its not there.

How often is it acknowledged that Cena and Nikki are a couple outside kayfabe? Or The Miz and Maryse? Or Ambrose and Renee Young? Punk and AJ? Cody Rhodes and Eden Styles? Cesaro and Sara Del Rey?

I dont care how big into social media she/they is/are, theres no reason to bring it up and its scunnered any momentum they may have been able to recover.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 8:51 pm

But none of those are in a love storyline, talk about their "beau" on twitter all the time and then had that same thing leaked on TMZ which would have gone big on twitter. All the while dating someone else? You cant play a big Lana/Rusev split story, which had strains of real life, and then just carry on when something big happens.

And they mention quite a few. Even NXT, the darlings they are, had Eden with the Rhodes family. It happens a lot more now. If Cena got into a love thing in the last year or so we would have all moaned about it being ridiculous based on the widespread knowledge of him and Nikki.

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Post by Samo on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 9:17 pm

Its almost like knowing Undertaker isnt actually dead ruins the gimmick and story, or that Kane wasnt actually burned in a fire. Wait, no it doesnt because im perfectly capable of seperating the fantasy of kayfabe and real life. This feels insulting to my intelligence to suggest otherwise, and insulting to the intelligence of the viewers.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 9:27 pm

Id say its insulting to carry it on. Because theres a little bit of dis-reality, as it were, and then there's having something spread using a media entity they often use and pretending its not happening. Tell me to buy into a love story when you know the two foes are engaged and you're really insulting me.

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Post by Samo on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 9:41 pm

Thats part and parcel of being a wrestling fan though, its no different than the movies. You NEED a certain level of dis-reality or else you're as well watching UFC or boxing. Theres no difference to Rusev being engaged to Lana in real life and engaged to Summer Rae on RAW than there is Brad Pitt being married to Jolie in real life and married to Mireille Enos in World War Z. You're able to seperate reality from what you're seeing on screen and to suggest otherwise, personally, is insulting.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 9:51 pm

But they dont have Angelina Jolie in all his films and then leading the life outside of that film on social media as the person she is on TV. And films are a 1 off, not every week.

I may not like it, but you cant have social media and use the real life romances in a story and then blow them off the minute they dont work for you.

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Post by The_Rad_Russian on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 11:09 pm

Just watched the rusev ryback followed by summer rae segment. Painful.
Rusev has been pretty buried to be fair. Ripped  into and then slapped for gd reason? Summer got a bit of a pop too. I think this has royally fooked rusev. Surely comedy then future'd?

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Post by Marky on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 8:00 am

This is why WWE is currently in the "Reality era", because there is no kayfabe anymore (apart from Kane and Undertaker).

It's a little bit like how shows like TOWIE and Made in Chelsea are scripted reality shows, there's an element of that in WWE sometimes IMO.

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Post by liverbnz on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 8:22 am

Marky is spot on here. This is the era we are in. And while I agree with Samo 100% there is little point debating it. WWE have clearly shown over the last few years they have little interest in Kayfabe or even consistency in storylines. They are all about creating 'events' or 'moments' that casual fans will subscribe for. Undertaker returning, Sting's title shot, Stephen Amell, etc, etc. All for subscriptions. It's irrelevant if they make sense.

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Post by Brilliant_yep on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 3:16 pm

Would they get backstage heat for that?
I mean I know it's ruined their storyline but isn't that WWE's fault?
TMZ reported that Lana and Rusev had bought a house together a few months ago,and why shouldn't they be able to celebrate their real lives with fans or just in general.

I can see both sides of the coin,if two characters from EastEnders were together (which I know happens from time to time) then that wouldn't effect their storyline romances,but then they would never allude to the actors personal lives or call them by their real names (unless you're Tanya on the live show)

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Re: WWE Raw Results - Spoilers Ahead

Post by Prometheus on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 3:21 pm

Brilliant_yep wrote:Would they get backstage heat for that?
I mean I know it's ruined their storyline but isn't that WWE's fault?
TMZ reported that Lana and Rusev had bought a house together a few months ago,and why shouldn't they be able to celebrate their real lives with fans or just in general.
I think the question that WWE has been asking and what has got most heat for Lana & Rusev is how TMZ got the photos. That is probably a much bigger deal for Rusev getting punished than the fact that photos got out there. That probably then leads to an underlying question of what happened with Lana who was so hot coming out of Mania and was going to be a big star, to her just being part of a never-ending relatively meh story.
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Post by JCmag82 on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 3:32 pm

The frustrating thing is that they aren't using any kind of media to it's full potential. I am not just saying Twitter but their own show, which they promote to the hilt, Total Divas. End of the season sees Ziggler hitting on Nikki saying he will give her the world and everything John Cena won't (yes, probably all scripted), and then you have him facing Cena but no mention of it. It would add a load more intensity to their matches and, if Cena is to drop the belt to Dolph, then it would add more to a potentially good feud.
Management just seem to acknowledge the wrong bits of reality rather than using what they can control in the best ways. They acknowledge when the Divas have a tantrum or whatever on the show but not this which could be a great storyline.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 4:31 pm

Having seen that Stardust is to continue his superhero theme into a feud with the Swiss Superman, I now think it makes sense for Stardust to be the man to injure Cena.

There is something to Stardust, and he is entrenched in the character in a way that should be congratulated.

And Cena really is the ultimate superhero. Use the Ascension to make it unfair. Give Cena vengeance on his return; going through the Ascension first. He could team with the tag champs first for a 6 man tag. Cena could be the man to return Cody to being Cody at WrestleMania. It gives all of them a fitting story and actually a decent WrestleMania moment for Cena and for Rhodes who the fans want to be able to cheer with this year

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Post by Samo on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 4:33 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Having seen that Stardust is to continue his superhero theme into a feud with the Swiss Superman, I now think it makes sense for Stardust to be the man to injure Cena.

There is something to Stardust, and he is entrenched in the character in a way that should be congratulated.

And Cena really is the ultimate superhero. Use the Ascension to make it unfair. Give Cena vengeance on his return; going through the Ascension first. He could team with the tag champs first for a 6 man tag. Cena could be the man to return Cody to being Cody at WrestleMania. It gives all of them a fitting story and actually a decent WrestleMania moment for Cena and for Rhodes who the fans want to be able to cheer with this year

I'd be all for it but they seem to have dropped the Cosmic Wasteland thing already, which is a shame.

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Post by Dr Gregory House MD on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 5:05 pm

One thing that really stuck out to me that no ones mentioned was the Reigns v Stroman match, I was pretty disappointed not because I expected it to be good but because I expected it to be really bad in a fun way and it was just below average which I suppose is a compliment to the lads in a round about way, for a first year pro Stroman isn't the worst guy I've ever seen

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Post by Samo on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 5:09 pm

Dr Gregory House MD wrote:One thing that really stuck out to me that no ones mentioned was the Reigns v Stroman match, I was pretty disappointed not because I expected it to be good but because I expected it to be really bad in a fun way and it was just below average which I suppose is a compliment to the lads in a round about way, for a first year pro Stroman isn't the worst guy I've ever seen

Im trying to forget it as much as possible after Romans promo. I wanted to die for him

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Post by Marky on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 6:52 pm

Strowman ruined it by being hit with a Superman punch then jumping up (rather than falling backwards) over the announce table Whistle

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