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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:08 pm

Munchkin wrote:
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ScarletSpiderman wrote:Marty, your not interested in his comment regarding Australian involvement in the process or neutrality then...?
Hines seems to be saying that he is neutral,....
I read it pretty much the opposite......
Hmmmm... The headline yesterday was something like 'Scotland Pour Cold Water on Claim of bias'. Think that's the why it should be read.

But I'm an arrogant gimp, so don't take my word for it Very Happy

(note just cut all the quotes down for space)

If there were no Claims Of Bias, then the SRU would not have needed to poor cold water on them, no??


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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:08 pm

Sin é wrote:By the way, by your way of thinking, the regions are quite happy to develop players to go play in France for free!

That was the personal choice of the players. That is what started the war between the regions and the WRU.

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Post by Sin é on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:09 pm

Munchkin wrote:Where is Chunky anyway?

He was over on Munsterfans a few days ago (pretending to be French) raging about the corrupt Irish. Think he is now running with ST Stephen Jones on twitter now and a few other Welsh 'journos' (raging about Sean O'Brien only getting a week).

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:09 pm

Sin é wrote:Ah, I see. Chunky's & Phil fiction becomes fact! In other words, it doesn't happen.

Well they posted numerous links, that provided facts about the topic, I will give them that.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:12 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Sin é wrote:Ah, I see. Chunky's & Phil fiction becomes fact! In other words, it doesn't happen.

Well they posted numerous links, that provided facts about the topic, I will give them that.

Their links provided a basis but they had huge holes in what they were claiming and made leaps from what they provided to what they were claiming


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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:12 pm

Sin é wrote:
Munchkin wrote:Where is Chunky anyway?

He was over on Munsterfans a few days ago (pretending to be French) raging about the corrupt Irish. Think he is now running with ST Stephen Jones on twitter now and a few other Welsh 'journos' (raging about Sean O'Brien only getting a week).

I'm pretty sure there are other people around who may have those views, even real French ones.

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Post by Munchkin on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:13 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:Marty, your not interested in his comment regarding Australian involvement in the process or neutrality then...?
Hines seems to be saying that he is neutral,....
I read it pretty much the opposite......
Hmmmm... The headline yesterday was something like 'Scotland Pour Cold Water on Claim of bias'. Think that's the why it should be read.

But I'm an arrogant gimp, so don't take my word for it Very Happy

(note just cut all the quotes down for space)

If there were no Claims Of Bias, then the SRU would not have needed to poor cold water on them, no??


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The media were bound to ask their view on it, so asked Hines.

Yep, won't be long before it closed Cool

Still, we will need Chunky to push the next one to closing. No doubt he will be back Very Happy

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:14 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Munchkin wrote:Where is Chunky anyway?

He was over on Munsterfans a few days ago (pretending to be French) raging about the corrupt Irish. Think he is now running with ST Stephen Jones on twitter now and a few other Welsh 'journos' (raging about Sean O'Brien only getting a week).

I'm pretty sure there are other people around who may have those views, even real French ones.  

I think the ChunkyToulon handle was a poor disguise though Whistle

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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:15 pm

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:15 pm

Mine

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:15 pm

DAMMIT!

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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:16 pm

Nice try Tattie Hug

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:16 pm

Anyway, why have I gone down this road again ? I have been diverted by marty's wriggling.

The point is,Marty, you have admitted that the refs in Ireland come under the same organisation as the provinces in Ireland. If you admit this, then you must admit there is a conflict of interest.

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Post by SecretFly on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:17 pm

After last week I'd say you're right about the French, Scarlet.  

Pape innocently asks O'Brien if he's into 'fisting' and O'Brien says "You mean this?"  Pape gasps: "No, not what I mean" and drops to his knees.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:24 pm

LordDowlais wrote:Anyway, why have I gone down this road again ? I have been diverted by marty's wriggling.

The point is,Marty, you have admitted that the refs in Ireland come under the same organisation as the provinces in Ireland. If you admit this, then you must admit there is a conflict of interest.

I've said all along there will be conflicts irregardless of the status of Irish refs, if they ref at all in the league someone will say how one decision against a Welsh/Scottish/Italian team benefitted an Irish team, the same with refs of other nationalities

If you go through the Pro12 and world rugby you will see it is incestuous and riddled with conflicts

If any ref is being paid, they are paid to ref within the rules correct? Would that not counter the conflict? Or is it the perception you want rid off?

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Post by Munchkin on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:26 pm

Sin é wrote:
Munchkin wrote:Where is Chunky anyway?

He was over on Munsterfans a few days ago (pretending to be French) raging about the corrupt Irish. Think he is now running with ST Stephen Jones on twitter now and a few other Welsh 'journos' (raging about Sean O'Brien only getting a week).

Laugh Pretending to be French Very Happy

Yes, seen the tweets. Jones is slightly unbalanced, but good comedy value. How some of these guys can describe themselves as sports journos, I don't know. Would barely pass as writers for the Beano.

On second thoughts, that isn't fair on the Beano. A fine publication in its day.

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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:32 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Munchkin wrote:Where is Chunky anyway?

He was over on Munsterfans a few days ago (pretending to be French) raging about the corrupt Irish. Think he is now running with ST Stephen Jones on twitter now and a few other Welsh 'journos' (raging about Sean O'Brien only getting a week).

Laugh  Pretending to be French Very Happy  

Yes, seen the tweets. Jones is slightly unbalanced, but good comedy value. How some of these guys can describe themselves as sports journos, I don't know. Would barely pass as writers for the Beano.

On second thoughts, that isn't fair on the Beano. A fine publication in its day.

The Beano of my day would be frowned upon in the modern day. Every issue used to come with a little pack of free sweets.

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Post by SecretFly on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:34 pm

Would we frown at being given a pack of free sweets by The Times?

Well us Irish wouldn't eat them for fear of the unknown ingredient from Jones - but would everyone frown at such largesse shown by modern publications?

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Post by Munchkin on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:36 pm

I know, Scarlets, the health conscious society would be up in arms. The free toys might be frowned upon as well. Not so sure that a free set of clangers holds the same appeal with todays kids though. More like a free XBOX Very Happy

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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:42 pm

SecretFly wrote:Would we frown at being given a pack of free sweets by The Times?

Well us Irish wouldn't eat them for fear of the unknown ingredient from Jones - but would everyone frown at such largesse shown by modern publications?

I think that would only work if when you bought sweets your got a free times, as the sweets would be the higher value object.

The comics the kids hassle me for are usually stuffed with 'free' toys, but at bloody £5-10 a pop you would expect so.

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Post by SecretFly on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:57 pm

Yeah, it's like those Magazine that you get free bits of models for every week.

Build your own Model of the QE2 with FREE parts weekly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

You only have to buy 12,859 editions to have all the parts you need!!!  

Or Only 267 years!

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Post by Steffan on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 2:59 pm

Munchkin wrote:Where is Chunky anyway?
Him, Stone Motif and Phil are still trying to find that brain cell all three of them share

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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 3:33 pm

SecretFly wrote:Yeah, it's like those Magazine that you get free bits of models for every week.

Build your own Model of the QE2 with FREE parts weekly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

You only have to buy 12,859 editions to have all the parts you need!!!  

Or Only 267 years!

I have the Marvel comics collection on like that, when all the books are in a row the spines make a lovely picture. Oh except they don't come in order so the picture has gaps in it. And worse my book shelf is not long enough anyway. And the real worst, Mrs Spidey has worked out the cost so far........

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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 3:34 pm

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Post by Munchkin on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 3:35 pm

This one!

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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 3:36 pm

It'll be a shame when this thread is gone Sad

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Post by Guest on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 11:32 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:Marty, that reads very much like a Roger Lewis quote, and there are time his quotes are not quite accurate

Come to think of it, the only WRU employee that plays for the regions is Sam Warburton. Is this what is being alluded to ? As I know the regions were all staunchly against this way of paying for players.

Is that true? He's on an NDC, the same as the others now isn't he?

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Post by SecretFly on Wed 14 Oct 2015, 11:35 pm

What is an NDC? No Disclosure Contract?

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Post by St John The Enforcer on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 12:19 am

SecretFly wrote:What is an NDC?  No Disclosure Contract?
National  Dairy Council

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Post by LordDowlais on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 8:30 am

Risca Rev wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:Marty, that reads very much like a Roger Lewis quote, and there are time his quotes are not quite accurate

Come to think of it, the only WRU employee that plays for the regions is Sam Warburton. Is this what is being alluded to ? As I know the regions were all staunchly against this way of paying for players.

Is that true? He's on an NDC, the same as the others now isn't he?

No the WRU pay all his wages as far as I am aware, he was the first to take the contract. Unless something has changed since the shoite storm that he caused after signing it.

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 9:13 am

LordDowlais wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:Marty, that reads very much like a Roger Lewis quote, and there are time his quotes are not quite accurate

Come to think of it, the only WRU employee that plays for the regions is Sam Warburton. Is this what is being alluded to ? As I know the regions were all staunchly against this way of paying for players.

Is that true? He's on an NDC, the same as the others now isn't he?

No the WRU pay all his wages as far as I am aware, he was the first to take the contract. Unless something has changed since the shoite storm that he caused after signing it.

So the WRU pay 60% of most of the contracts but the players aren't employees but the regions who pay 40% are their employers? Makes sense thumbsup

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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 10:37 am

LordDowlais wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:Marty, that reads very much like a Roger Lewis quote, and there are time his quotes are not quite accurate

Come to think of it, the only WRU employee that plays for the regions is Sam Warburton. Is this what is being alluded to ? As I know the regions were all staunchly against this way of paying for players.

Is that true? He's on an NDC, the same as the others now isn't he?

No the WRU pay all his wages as far as I am aware, he was the first to take the contract. Unless something has changed since the shoite storm that he caused after signing it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/29305689

The Wales captain, 25, was the only player to take up a Welsh Rugby Union central contract while the governing body and the four regions were involved in a lengthy dispute.
A £60m deal ended the row on 28 August.
RRW stated: "Regional Rugby can confirm that Sam moved to a dual contract at the same time as the new Rugby Services Agreement (RSA) was signed."

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Post by LordDowlais on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 11:03 am

marty2086 wrote:So the WRU pay 60% of most of the contracts but the players aren't employees but the regions who pay 40% are their employers? Makes sense thumbsup

As I have said earlier on this thread, the regions invest a lot of money into getting these players to where they are, this is why the WRU pay 60% and the regions pay 40%. The regions have already spent a fortune on them, why should they pay the Lions share ?

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Post by SecretFly on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 11:10 am

Come off it Lord. Wink

Gatland virtually says every year that he has to build the players he selects up from scratch each and everytime they come back to International. He says they're never fit or sharp enough.
So - he's the Welsh coach - he has to pick a team - he has to take most of his players from what's there. He's built most of the players that play International - himself. Moulded them into what he wants, not what the Regions wanted. So it's WRU money, science and conditioning expertise that is turning out the Internationals.... not Regions doing it for themselves.

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 11:11 am

If they are employees of the regions why shouldn't they?

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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 11:12 am

SecretFly wrote:Come off it Lord. Wink

Gatland virtually says every year that he has to build the players he selects up from scratch each and everytime they come back to International.  He says they're never fit or sharp enough.
So - he's the Welsh coach - he has to pick a team - he has to take most of his players from what's there.  He's built most of the players that play International - himself.  Moulded them into what he wants, not what the Regions wanted.  So it's WRU money, science and conditioning expertise that is turning out the Internationals.... not Regions doing it for themselves.

I think he means physically, because generally the last time they played was when they were last with Wales and Gatland broke them

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 11:17 am

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Come off it Lord. Wink

Gatland virtually says every year that he has to build the players he selects up from scratch each and everytime they come back to International.  He says they're never fit or sharp enough.
So - he's the Welsh coach - he has to pick a team - he has to take most of his players from what's there.  He's built most of the players that play International - himself.  Moulded them into what he wants, not what the Regions wanted.  So it's WRU money, science and conditioning expertise that is turning out the Internationals.... not Regions doing it for themselves.

I think he means physically, because generally the last time they played was when they were last with Wales and Gatland broke them

As this WC is showing Gatland does seem to break them almost literally

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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 11:19 am

marty2086 wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Come off it Lord. Wink

Gatland virtually says every year that he has to build the players he selects up from scratch each and everytime they come back to International.  He says they're never fit or sharp enough.
So - he's the Welsh coach - he has to pick a team - he has to take most of his players from what's there.  He's built most of the players that play International - himself.  Moulded them into what he wants, not what the Regions wanted.  So it's WRU money, science and conditioning expertise that is turning out the Internationals.... not Regions doing it for themselves.

I think he means physically, because generally the last time they played was when they were last with Wales and Gatland broke them

As this WC is showing Gatland does seem to break them almost literally

As a Scarlets fan, it seems that this has been something that is an ever present of the Gatland reign and has seen a few of our boys forced into early retirement (Stoddard in particular)

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 11:24 am

Stoddard was a broken leg though was it not? But players do seem to be more brittle in his hands

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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 11:28 am

marty2086 wrote:Stoddard was a broken leg though was it not? But players do seem to be more brittle in his hands

I don't think Stodds had a single Welsh camp experience without picking up an injury, it just started to get beyond a joke. Player gets injured, rushed back to the welsh camp, player gets injured again, has op during the regional season, and gets rushed back to the welsh camp. Poor Eli Walker is starting to look like he is going to end up the same way too, as if memory serves, he has picked up injuries in ever welsh training camp he has been to as well.

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 15 Oct 2015, 11:30 am

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Stoddard was a broken leg though was it not? But players do seem to be more brittle in his hands

I don't think Stodds had a single Welsh camp experience without picking up an injury, it just started to get beyond a joke.  Player gets injured, rushed back to the welsh camp, player gets injured again, has op during the regional season, and gets rushed back to the welsh camp.  Poor Eli Walker is starting to look like he is going to end up the same way too, as if memory serves, he has picked up injuries in ever welsh training camp he has been to as well.

I think your right and he's injured for this weekend too

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Post by Stone Motif on Mon 19 Oct 2015, 5:40 pm

marty2086 wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Come off it Lord. Wink

Gatland virtually says every year that he has to build the players he selects up from scratch each and everytime they come back to International.  He says they're never fit or sharp enough.
So - he's the Welsh coach - he has to pick a team - he has to take most of his players from what's there.  He's built most of the players that play International - himself.  Moulded them into what he wants, not what the Regions wanted.  So it's WRU money, science and conditioning expertise that is turning out the Internationals.... not Regions doing it for themselves.

I think he means physically, because generally the last time they played was when they were last with Wales and Gatland broke them

As this WC is showing Gatland does seem to break them almost literally

This. Compound lifts plus high reps equals injury.

CrossFit BS.

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Post by Stone Motif on Mon 19 Oct 2015, 5:42 pm

So...anyone still think in the glaring light of another collective World Cup failure that the PrO'12 is adequate prep to take on the big boys?

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Post by SecretFly on Mon 19 Oct 2015, 7:48 pm

It seems none of the three big Leagues are Stone.  Is that not the conclusion?  
Did not the Pro12 Nations last longer than the supposedly much better, much harder, much faster, much more serious League in England though?

So yeah -  not nearly hard or fast enough a league.  But still seems to churn out more battle ready players at International

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Post by Munchkin on Mon 19 Oct 2015, 7:54 pm

Stone Motif wrote:So...anyone still think in the glaring light of another collective World Cup failure that the PrO'12 is adequate prep to take on the big boys?

Pro12 has to be much better than AP, and better than the super rich T14. Pro12 rocks Cool

...maybe one day the AP will catch up. Who knows?

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Re: PRO12 has new Managing Director and he isn't Irish :D :yahoo:

Post by Stone Motif on Tue 20 Oct 2015, 12:48 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:So...anyone still think in the glaring light of another collective World Cup failure that the PrO'12 is adequate prep to take on the big boys?

Pro12 has to be much better than AP, and better than the super rich T14. Pro12 rocks Cool

...maybe one day the AP will catch up. Who knows?

So we're all agreed that a more competitive pan British and I rush league is required to drive up standards? Great.

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Re: PRO12 has new Managing Director and he isn't Irish :D :yahoo:

Post by Munchkin on Tue 20 Oct 2015, 12:57 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:So...anyone still think in the glaring light of another collective World Cup failure that the PrO'12 is adequate prep to take on the big boys?

Pro12 has to be much better than AP, and better than the super rich T14. Pro12 rocks Cool

...maybe one day the AP will catch up. Who knows?

So we're all agreed that a more  competitive pan British and I rush league is required to drive up standards? Great.

You're another one who wants a B&I?

No, it would be more correct, going by your reasoning, that the AP and T14 have to catch up with the Pro12. I don't actually believe this. I'm just following your line of reasoning. I don't actually believe the SH sides are much further ahead of the NH sides, with the exception of NZ. All of us have some way to go before we can close that gap.

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Re: PRO12 has new Managing Director and he isn't Irish :D :yahoo:

Post by ScarletSpiderman on Tue 20 Oct 2015, 1:25 pm

Munchkin wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
Munchkin wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:So...anyone still think in the glaring light of another collective World Cup failure that the PrO'12 is adequate prep to take on the big boys?

Pro12 has to be much better than AP, and better than the super rich T14. Pro12 rocks Cool

...maybe one day the AP will catch up. Who knows?

So we're all agreed that a more  competitive pan British and I rush league is required to drive up standards? Great.

You're another one who wants a B&I?

No, it would be more correct, going by your reasoning, that the AP and T14 have to catch up with the Pro12. I don't actually believe this. I'm just following your line of reasoning. I don't actually believe the SH sides are much further ahead of the NH sides, with the exception of NZ. All of us have some way to go before we can close that gap.

Aren't there still T14 players at the RWC though? So they must be better.

As for the B&I League, it seems to be one of the suggestions to improve NH rugby that has popped up in a few different places since the RWC exits. Much like Summer Rugby, or restructuring the season so it runs club then euro then six nations. A miracle cure that will see RWC19 having all NH teams in the semi-finals Whistle

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Re: PRO12 has new Managing Director and he isn't Irish :D :yahoo:

Post by Munchkin on Tue 20 Oct 2015, 1:56 pm

No, that doesn't count. Don't ask me why though. Not telling mad

Yes, it's all a bit knee jerk. Scotland should be in a semi final. Wales would have been, but for injuries, I believe. Small margins.




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