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Post by Ozzy3213 on Wed 30 Dec 2015, 12:44 pm

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Friday 1st January 2016
Northampton Saints (5) vs. Exeter Chiefs (2)
Saints have been struggling for form and results recently, and although they’ll be happy to be back at Franklins Gardens, they’ll be less happy at facing an in form Exeter Chiefs. You would think that Saints will be out to prove a point after being the first AP side to lose to Irish this season, and I suspect they will up their game. Exeter won’t be easy to beat, but I fancy Saints to nick a tight one.


Saturday 2nd January 2016
Gloucester (6) vs. London Irish (11)
Gloucester had a high scoring draw against Quins last week, but could be counting the cost with a couple of key men picking up injuries. Irish got on the board, and despite a 2nd row injury crisis didn’t pick up any fresh knocks in beating Saints. This game could tell us a fair amount about the respective sides. Irish will fancy this, and be looking to get a good run going. What they don’t want to do is get too fast and loose, with the scrum and maul both having worked well last week. They could be key tools in bagging back to back AP wins for the first time in a year!

Newcastle Falcons (12) vs. Bath Rugby (7)
Bath have not been firing on all cylinders, and Falcons are winless, despite what I am told was a decent showing last time out against Tigers. This for me is a tough game to call. If conditions are good, I fancy Bath to win a high scorer. If it’s wet and windy, I can see Falcons grinding this one out against a Bath pack that has failed to dominate this season.

Saracens (1) vs. Leicester Tigers (3)
Saracens look unbeatable at present. Whoever they rotate in, they are a well oiled machine, who do their basics well and get results. That said, Tigers, whilst not completely firing on all cylinders are getting results, and despite their recent record against Sarries not being great (whose is?), they are the one side that you just wouldn’t back against getting a result. I think this one will be close, and will depend on who both sides put out, but it’s impossible to predict a Saracens defeat right now, home win.

Sale Sharks (9) vs. Wasps (8)
Despite a couple of excellent performances and results, Wasps find themselves down in 8th in the AP. Sale have yet to convince and after a bright start were distinctly 2nd best against the Chiefs last time out. On paper I would say Wasps, but at home and with Steve Diamond chewing their backsides, I reckon Sale may well tough this one out for the win.


Sunday 3rd January 2016
Worcester Warriors (10) vs. Harlequins (4)
Worcester have been in most of their games (Saracens excepted) and will fancy this at home. Quins appear to be rediscovering their mojo, which they had misplaced last season, but will be disappointed with their error count in the draw against Gloucester last week. I can see this being a bit of an open gunfight, which Worcester just lose out on, but it could be one of those losses where they pick up 2 bonus points on the way.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by Ozzy3213 on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 8:55 am

Tough one to lose yesterday. I've not seen the second half yet, but that was a massive turnaround. First half was a kicking duel, which we won comfortably, scored two tries off lineouts in their 22 and went in 14-6 ahead.

I am told by those who were there that in the second half they brought on Morgan and Laidlaw and carried more and kicked less and ran out of steam defensively and lost the half 0-21.

Next week is now massive. All the pressure I would say is on us, as we are 2 points behind Falcons now and are at home. If we play as we did in the first halves against both Saints and Gloucester then I think we will be ok, but we seem to have developed a habit of switching off during the first 20 minutes of the second half which if we don't rectify quickly will see us unable to beat the teams around us and will result in us playing in the Championship next season.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by yappysnap on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 10:04 am

Driver wrote:I'm starting too think they might be a rift between players and coaches reading Mike Fords comments and looking at how uninterested Bath where today.

Yes I bet the players are really upset by constantly being subjected to 5* accommodation, Michelin Starred chefs and the chauffeur driven Rolls Royce. Wink

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by yappysnap on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 10:09 am

Ozzy3213 wrote:Tough one to lose yesterday.  I've not seen the second half yet, but that was a massive turnaround.  First half was a kicking duel, which we won comfortably, scored two tries off lineouts in their 22 and went in 14-6 ahead.

I am told by those who were there that in the second half they brought on Morgan and Laidlaw and carried more and kicked less and ran out of steam defensively and lost the half 0-21.  

Next week is now massive.  All the pressure I would say is on us, as we are 2 points behind Falcons now and are at home.  If we play as we did in the first halves against both Saints and Gloucester then I think we will be ok, but we seem to have developed a habit of switching off during the first 20 minutes of the second half which if we don't rectify quickly will see us unable to beat the teams around us and will result in us playing in the Championship next season.

Good to hear Morgan may be playing better.

Next week should be a tasty game with Falcons new 10 playing, not sure if LI fans have heard of him but apparently he has a bit of potential...

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by Ozzy3213 on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 10:13 am

I imagine he will get a fairly warm reception yappy. I believe one of our supporters has already baked him a pie!

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 12:59 pm

I don't want Goode t play Yappy.

Young Willis is raw but he has huge potential. He needs to play games. They beat bath so give him his game next week as a reward.
Catterick is also a good 10 he just seems to have lost his confidence for whatever reason.

but we seem to have developed a habit of switching off during the first 20 minutes of the second half which if we don't rectify quickly will see us unable to beat the teams around us and will result in us playing in the Championship next season.

Ozzy, that is like us. We cant put in a 80min performance. We won yesterday but we at times switched off too much, and nearly let a poor bath side win.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 3:04 pm

Nice try by Walker there early in the game.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by king_carlos on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 3:05 pm

If only Charlie Walker could do stuff like that every weekend.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by king_carlos on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 3:06 pm

The battle between Brown and Pennell is going to be great to watch.

That is dumb by Ward. Why are so many players giving away dumb penalties through blocking this season...

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by king_carlos on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 3:10 pm

Aerial ping pong at its worst for a minute there.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 3:17 pm

Lowe off with a yellow.

I'd have been off aswell cos I would have went for that ball Very Happy

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by Heaf on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 3:38 pm

Looked out to me ... and how can Warriors get a scrum penalty when their hooker is crawling along on his knees?  Think Wayne has lost it lately ...

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 3:41 pm

Lowe didn't help himself by going off his feet. The ball is in until it's past the back feet no? The big Fijian had the ball somewhere between his legs. Had Lowe lifted cleanly as opposed to flopping he might have got away with it.

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Post by Heaf on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 3:44 pm

Didn't look like it was between his legs - more like he was standing about a foot or two to the right - but I could be wrong .... the scrum pen was wrong for sure though.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by ChequeredJersey on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 3:51 pm

king_carlos wrote:If only Charlie Walker could do stuff like that every weekend.


In attack, when we pick him, he can. But his flaws are in other areas :/

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by ChequeredJersey on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 3:54 pm

Nick Evans earning his salary today

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:07 pm

Another nicely taken try.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by ChequeredJersey on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:25 pm

Hmmmm, not convinced that was illegal by Roberts...

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by Heaf on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:26 pm

Not sure Ward was in at the side for that try?

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by ChequeredJersey on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:26 pm

A potentially game changing error by Barnes in my opinion. Legal rip that would have prevented the yellow and the penalty try. Nevermind

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by ChequeredJersey on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:26 pm

Now also rather worried about our scrum vs Sarries

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:31 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:A potentially game changing error by Barnes in my opinion. Legal rip that would have prevented the yellow and the penalty try. Nevermind

Did he have control of the ball before his knee touched the floor? I think he completed the rip only after he was off his feet in which case Barnes is correct. Tough call though Barnes had a great angle from which to make the call.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by ChequeredJersey on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:34 pm

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ChequeredJersey wrote:A potentially game changing error by Barnes in my opinion. Legal rip that would have prevented the yellow and the penalty try. Nevermind

Did he have control of the ball before his knee touched the floor? I think he completed the rip only after he was off his feet in which case Barnes is correct. Tough call though Barnes had a great angle from which to make the call.

My admittedly biased viewing was that he had completed the rip whilst up

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:35 pm

Well Wuss are giving it ago.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by kingelderfield on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:35 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:Now also rather worried about our scrum vs Sarries

Not so sure, and on today's performance I think it must make you wonder why Jones wasn't initially selected for Wales 31. A fantastic signing.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:36 pm

OOh was there a tug back by the Wuss player? Should it have been no try.

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Post by kingelderfield on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:39 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:OOh was there a tug back by the Wuss player? Should it have been no try.

Just a little one.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by ChequeredJersey on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:39 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:OOh was there a tug back by the Wuss player? Should it have been no try.

Well, you can probably guess what I think Wink

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by Heaf on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:40 pm

Seem like the officials are determined to help Warriors out - why can't LI get some this help?

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by ChequeredJersey on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:41 pm

Heaf wrote:Seem like the officials are determined to help Warriors out - why can't LI get some this help?

Would you want to be helped to a win by officials?

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Post by Heaf on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:43 pm

I'd like a level playing field but we don't get that either a lot of the time - although I admit I may be biased

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:45 pm

I don't speak about the refs much...you play to the ref...however we get some appalling decisions against us.

But in all honesty I think all teams do as the standard of refs in the prem is shockingly bad.
It should be overhauled.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by ChequeredJersey on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:49 pm

If we lose this it will be our own fault. But those decisions won't have helped much

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by Heaf on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:49 pm

The problem is it looks like Warriors will come away with at least a LBP today from some questionable officiating and they were also gifted a LBP agains Glaws earlier in the season by some truly shocking decisions - it may not come to it but these points could make a difference later in the season.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by ChequeredJersey on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:50 pm

I now agree with Yappy that Brown's confidence just isn't there in the air at the moment. We need to shore up our decision making and play much better than this next week to avoid a drubbing

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by kingelderfield on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:52 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:I don't speak about the refs much...you play to the ref...however we get some appalling decisions against us.

But in all honesty I think all teams do as the standard of refs in the prem is shockingly bad.
It should be overhauled.

There's so much riding on all these games, which obviously makes for compelling viewing, but not necessarily great flowing rugby.

promotion/relegation
clubs v's union
the weather

All in all considering I think the refs do ok'ish, though there are some real shockers as I might have mentioned in my own sweet way.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:53 pm

I thought Barnes had a good game with the only decision I felt incorrect the tug on Walker. That did give Wuss an LBP but I thought they played the better rugby. Mills should have been man of the match he dragged his team back into the game with intelligent rugby.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by ChequeredJersey on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:54 pm

A win is a win, but from looking like a TBP was on within the hour to playing awfully second half and arguably deserving, with Barnes' help, to lose, another match I'm not happy with

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:55 pm

Heaf wrote:The problem is it looks like Warriors will come away with at least a LBP today from some questionable officiating and they were also gifted a LBP agains Glaws earlier in the season by some truly shocking decisions - it may not come to it but these points could make a difference later in the season.

Yeah very true mate...it takes them away from our two teams.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by Heaf on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:55 pm

The other issue is how can the TMO & Barnes have reviewed that try and not seen the Quins player was clearly held back - it was there for all to see???

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by ChequeredJersey on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:55 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:I thought Barnes had a good game with the only decision I felt incorrect the tug on Walker. That did give Wuss an LBP but I thought they played the better rugby. Mills should have been man of the match he dragged his team back into the game with intelligent rugby.

I'll watch the Robert's yellow (and a few scrum penalty decisions) again, but if he did take the ball legally, then a pen try and yellow card has enormous impact on the match

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:55 pm

Worcester have some real dog in them, I can't see them getting dragged into bottom 2.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:56 pm

Well next week is massive Heaf...

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by Heaf on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:56 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:I thought Barnes had a good game with the only decision I felt incorrect the tug on Walker. That did give Wuss an LBP but I thought they played the better rugby. Mills should have been man of the match he dragged his team back into the game with intelligent rugby.
But that was an absolute howler resulting in a team getting a point they shouldn't have ...

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by Heaf on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:57 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Well next week is massive Heaf...
Indeed - let's hope for a fair contest ...

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by ChequeredJersey on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:58 pm

I usually rate Barnes, unlike many others, and to be fair he got the Kvesic turnover last week right, but the difference in outcome between turnover and penalty try plus yellow is almost as great as it could possibly be in a match (red vs interception try I suppose the biggest swing!)

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by Heaf on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 4:58 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Worcester have some real dog in them, I can't see them getting dragged into bottom 2.
Not while they keep getting points gifted either ...

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by Heaf on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 5:05 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:I usually rate Barnes, unlike many others, and to be fair he got the Kvesic turnover last week right, but the difference in outcome between turnover and penalty try plus yellow is almost as great as it could possibly be in a match (red vs interception try I suppose the biggest swing!)
Some of his decisions could be debatable but some were just plain wrong ... I think he's lost the plot a bit.  How can you give a scrum penalty to a team when their front row are crawling forwards on their knees and the opposition are on their feet and allow a defender to be clearly pulled back and award a try ... mind boggling

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by stub on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 5:05 pm

Quins looked very strong in the the first half but I was pleased with the Wuss fight back in the second half. Not sure that I agree that Wuss have had too much help from the refs this season and that little tug back could have gone either way but I was pleased with Barnes' views on it Wink Still very tight at the bottom and there is plenty of rugby left to play yet.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by kingelderfield on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 5:19 pm

Well at least he made a game of it...........which actually has a lot more going for it than we'd all like to say.

Quins took their foot off giving up the tbp, but still got the win and 4 points, and Wuss gave something to their fans who turned up in numbers plus the paying punters on the telly.

win win I'd say.

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Re: Aviva Premiership - Round 8

Post by Heaf on Sun 03 Jan 2016, 5:29 pm

Not if you're a LI or Falcons supporter ...

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