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We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by Don Alfonso on Sat 09 Jan 2016, 8:30 pm

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We really do.

What is to be done?

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by rodders on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 2:11 pm

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Sailli looks to have thrown the towel in after carrying the back line for most of the season, in fact a few of the local players, like Murray and Zebo looked like they wanted Connacht to win more than Munster.

Are you taking the urine or do you actually believe this? Murray and Zebo both looked hungry on Saturday.

If you mean they couldn't wait for the game to finish to head down to MacDonalds for a big mac and fries then I agree they both looked hungry...

Dont be ridiculous Rodders, they are all about the Supermacs...


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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by eirebilly on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 3:40 pm

Aahhh rodders, you are a special kind of mooncat thumbsup

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by rodders on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 3:52 pm

It'll take some special type of mooncat to save this Munster side anyways!

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by eirebilly on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 3:59 pm

Stuart Lancaster would be welcome in my opinion.

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by Sin é on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 7:03 pm

From all accounts its Rassie Erasmus.

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by eirebilly on Tue 19 Apr 2016, 10:16 am

Also not a bad one to have.

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by SecretFly on Tue 19 Apr 2016, 3:23 pm

Erasmus..... poor Erasmus. Wait until he gets a load of the 1000 yard chewing-gum stare from Foley.

"Welcome", says Foley in glorious monotone, "Your presence here is most welcome. - The new modification to my existing contract directs me to say so."

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by profitius on Tue 19 Apr 2016, 5:19 pm

David Corkery is ruffling a few feathers. Very Happy

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/david-corkery-failed-munster-enterprise-glaringly-in-need-of-massive-overhaul-393816.html

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by SecretFly on Tue 19 Apr 2016, 6:18 pm

profitius wrote:David Corkery is ruffling a few feathers. Very Happy

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/david-corkery-failed-munster-enterprise-glaringly-in-need-of-massive-overhaul-393816.html

With that attitude, Corkery is talking himself into a role at the senior team..... or talking himself into a box from old pal Foley when next they meet.  He says a lot that I'd agree with in general terms and a lot that's probably already been said here by many about Penney, Foley etc.

... and I also agree with his suspicion of this new Grand role of 'Director' that seems so much the buzz word of success in this new age when everyone wants to be always a degree above everyone else on the hierarchical nameplates.  There was even a debate a month or so ago on 606 about whether rugby should have 'Managers' or 'Directors'.  ???  

Yes, as Corkery says, what exactly will the Director be - a clearly defined role?  No fuzziness for the public consumption and dandy public lines about Foley still being in control.  If it's just a revision of title names and Foley is now going to be demoted to an assistant role, then let Munster say so.  Whoever really leads from the front should face the responsibility of being in front.  
If Erasmus is new Head Coach in all but name then let it be known, so that criticism then falls on his shoulders if things don't improve.  No point in Foley continuing to take the flak if he ain't the man in charge.  

I think this Director title is a method of holding onto coaches longer than the fans might be inclined to want them if they were only called 'coaches' - an easier life for coaches that don't like the pressures of having to sustain results.  Maybe Penney should have demanded that he be called a Director.  He might still be in situ Wink

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by wolfball on Wed 20 Apr 2016, 1:18 am

rodders wrote:
Golden wrote:
rodders wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
rodders wrote:
Sailli looks to have thrown the towel in after carrying the back line for most of the season, in fact a few of the local players, like Murray and Zebo looked like they wanted Connacht to win more than Munster.

Are you taking the urine or do you actually believe this? Murray and Zebo both looked hungry on Saturday.

If you mean they couldn't wait for the game to finish to head down to MacDonalds for a big mac and fries then I agree they both looked hungry...

Dont be ridiculous Rodders, they are all about the Supermacs...


Very Happy

I fell in love at the eyre square supermacs once. Garlic/cheese chips does that to you...

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by eirebilly on Sat 07 May 2016, 2:12 pm

Massive game for Munster today, need the win to get into the top European competition next season. For me, it would not feel right for Munster not to make it. No disrespect for the Welsh teams as if they pip Munster then so be it.

Anyways hon da Munster.

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by eirebilly on Sat 07 May 2016, 3:09 pm

Conway is not having the best of games, two knock ons and a missed tackle on Williams.

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by Sin é on Fri 03 Jun 2016, 8:29 am

Munster's AGM last night. The deficit is 1.9m. Player wages are €4.48m (up €620,000 from previous year). This is seemingly why IRFU have increased funding to all Provinces.


Munster feeling the pinch as deficit passes €1.9m

Delegates at last night’s Munster Branch Annual General Meeting at Young Munster RFC were told by Munster Rugby financial controller Philip Quinn that the forecasted figure had risen from a €333,000 deficit in the final accounts presented for 2014-15 as gate income fell by more than €1m during the season just ended.

Quinn said playing Pro12 games during last autumn’s Rugby World Cup, with two of those Thomond Park games against Ulster and Glasgow kicking off at 6pm on a Friday, allied to the failure of Anthony Foley’s side to reach the league play-offs had had a significant impact, not just on gate revenues but related bar and match programme income streams, although he reported hospitality revenue had remained constant year on year.

Another difficult campaign in Europe, which saw Munster open with Italian minnows Treviso and then play Stade Francais at home a week after being eliminated ahead of the knockout stages also hit the province hard, accounting for a sizeable chunk of the forecasted deficit of €1.92m.

The deficit comes despite continued assistance from the IRFU in the form of increased grants and a repayment holiday on Munster’s loan to finance Thomond Park’s 2008 redevelopment, save for interest-only payments in five figures.

It also comes for a period which saw an increase in sponsorship and income from commercial board activities but rises in professional team and other staff costs.

Quinn explained the deficit would have been much worse had it not been for an additional and recently approved €250,000 payment from the IRFU.

“What we’re forecasting is €1.95m. We were looking at €2.2m around February and March but the IRFU have given an additional support to each of the provinces and that was approved at their recent budget meetings so it has brought our cash deficit back to €1.95m,” he told the Irish Examiner.

“Our budget for the year was actually for a loss of €700,000 so we knew going into the year we would be making a loss. It’s all gate-related and there’s a mixture of factors. Europe was down about half a million from 14-15, when we averaged 24,000 in ticket sales. We were just under 20,000 in 15-16. The major drivers in that were having Treviso, which wasn’t great from a spectators’ perspective. Leicester was fine, we were at around 24,000 but then being knocked out before Stade had a massive impact again. We had 19,000 ticket sales for Stade and that has a €0.5m impact straight away.

“Then, when you look at the Pro12 side of things, we were down about €300,000. The kick-off times for Ulster and Glasgow on Fridays at 6pm were massive hits. We analysed our ticket sales by county and 71% of our ticket sales come from outside of Limerick. So once you have a poor kick-off time you’re eliminating the majority of our support. Those kick off times are absolutely killing us.

“Added to that you have the Rugby World Cup as well and we really suffered with having Ulster and Glasgow as well as Connacht when there was still a bit of a World Cup hangover. We did quite well late in the season when were fighting for the Champions Cup.”

Not qualifying for this year’s Pro12 play-offs meant the 2015 runners-up lost out on two big pay days while the province’s staging of an Ireland Wolfhounds game in January 2015 at Musgrave Park also made this season’s figures suffer in comparison to the previous year’s accounts.

“Last year we had the Wolfhounds game, which generated about €100,000 and (Pro12) knockout income of €225,000 from the semi-final and final last year, which we didn’t have this year.

“But the major ones were Europe and the Pro12 which was (a deficit from the previous year of) €800,000 altogether.”

Sponsorship, said Quinn, had increased by €400,000 on the previous year including shirt sponsors Bank of Ireland expanding their deal with new activations in the province’s domestic game while the commercial board had also reaped the rewards of a new patrons programme which encouraged donations.

“That’s really bearing fruit for us at the moment,” Munster’s financial controller said. “Doug Howlett is out as our corporate ambassador and getting patrons to support our academy and community rugby.”

More significant assistance, though is coming from Munster’s main paymasters, the IRFU. Quinn and honorary treasurer Tom Kinirons have had a series of meetings at Lansdowne Road with IRFU director of finance Conor O’Brien and treasurer Tom Grace which Quinn described as “positive”.

So while there are fewer Munster men on national contracts, forcing the province to pick up the tab on players previously funded centrally, the rising player costs, up €620,000 on 2014-15 to €4.48m, had been covered by €1.1m in additional IRFU grant income.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/munster-feeling-the-pinch-as-deficit-passes-19m-403005.html

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by marty2086 on Fri 03 Jun 2016, 1:13 pm

Sounds like a lot of poor planning from Munster, it seems like they planned on making the play offs and had budgeted for it rather than budgeting for not having it.

How much do Munster make from non rugby events?

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by rodders on Fri 03 Jun 2016, 1:16 pm

Wind them up and give Thomond park to Connacht, there's no point flogging a dead horse.

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by SecretFly on Fri 03 Jun 2016, 1:19 pm

Munster prove that it's all about what happens on the field. The field has to lead the way for everything else. I think they'll be fine if Erasmus can settle in quickly and if all the players and coaching/conditioning staff can hit the ground running with a plan they all want part of.

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by SecretFly on Fri 03 Jun 2016, 1:20 pm

rodders wrote:Wind them up and give Thomond park to Connacht, there's no point flogging a dead horse.

Laugh Gotta admit it makes economic sense. Phil would love it anyway.

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by Golden on Fri 03 Jun 2016, 1:27 pm

So they were going into the season looking at a 700k deficit regardless of attendance, even with increased sponsorship and more money from the IRFU. 

What is that down to?

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by Sin é on Fri 03 Jun 2016, 2:05 pm

SecretFly wrote:Munster prove that it's all about what happens on the field.  The field has to lead the way for everything else.  I think they'll be fine if Erasmus can settle in quickly and if all the players and coaching/conditioning staff can hit the ground running with a plan they all want part of.

The World Cup had a significant effect on Munster with 6pm starts on Friday night for two big games in Thomond Park (Ulster & Glasgow).

Treviso in the Champs Cup wasn't good either, presumably because they are a PRO12 team and not an attractive fixture.

The IRFU are a significant obstacle as well they block signings (like Stephen Moore) even though Munster had just lost the leadership of POC & POM and with Tommy O'Donnell also injured in the world cup.

Lets hope Erasmus is a bit luckier with the injuries as well - losing BJ was a major problem considering Archer was injured.

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by profitius on Fri 03 Jun 2016, 2:38 pm

SecretFly wrote:
rodders wrote:Wind them up and give Thomond park to Connacht, there's no point flogging a dead horse.

Laugh Gotta admit it makes economic sense.  Phil would love it anyway.


Dismantle TP and let Connacht buy up its parts on the cheap. Connacht can give Munster the dog track to draw in the punters. Very Happy


Every time theres a break in play, just have a race! The barking will only add to the atmosphere. thumbsup

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by PhilBB on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 9:14 am

Has anybody got a copy of the actual annual report that was handed out to Members?

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by rodders on Mon 06 Jun 2016, 11:20 am

PhilBB wrote:Has anybody got a copy of the actual annual report that was handed out to Members?

Well Sin e is really Keith Earls so he should have a copy. angel

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by The Great Aukster on Tue 07 Jun 2016, 9:08 pm

rodders wrote:
PhilBB wrote:Has anybody got a copy of the actual annual report that was handed out to Members?

Well Sin e is really Keith Earls so he should have a copy. angel

Did he not drop it?

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by SecretFly on Tue 07 Jun 2016, 9:14 pm

laughing

Ouch!

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Re: We Need to Talk About Munster.

Post by rodders on Wed 08 Jun 2016, 10:46 am

The Great Aukster wrote:
rodders wrote:
PhilBB wrote:Has anybody got a copy of the actual annual report that was handed out to Members?

Well Sin e is really Keith Earls so he should have a copy. angel

Did he not drop it?

Well if he didn't he'll probably refuse to pass it on.... Smile

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