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Post by VTR on Tue 12 Jan 2016, 9:32 am

The pivotal 3rd Test starts in two days time. England are expected to be unchanged. Dale Steyn is out injured for SA and looks doubtful for the rest of the series, though Kyle Abbott is fit and will come into the frame for selection. Another possible change is someone else to open in the place of Van Zyl

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Post by LondonTiger on Tue 12 Jan 2016, 4:33 pm

Bearing in mind the squad selectewd by SA

AB de Villiers (capt), Kyle Abbott, Hashim Amla, Temba Bavuma, Quinton de Kock, JP Duminy, Faf du Plessis, Dean Elgar, Morne Morkel, Chris Morris, Dane Piedt, Kagiso Rabada, Rilee Rossouw, Dale Steyn, Stiaan van Zyl, Hardus Viljoen.

Who else could open? While othyer batters in that lineup have been tried at the top of the order, none really looked the part.

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Post by msp83 on Tue 12 Jan 2016, 6:00 pm

The selectors and team management have given themselves no options but to just van Zyl can come good for ones. Even he might have an innings or 2 of substance somewhere in him, and the selectors are determined to keep him in till he playes that. He just doesn't look test class, but they are stuck with him and they've to hope he'd come good......
The other option would be to get Quinton de Kock or Hashim Amla to open as they both have opened in limited overs. Or give Temba Bavuma a long rope at the top. He has the temperament to be a top level player, has to still develop his game and batting out of position would be an added pressure, but he's miles better than van Zyl.
Another interesting question would be whether they would go back to JP Duminy and use him as the led spinner and go for 4 fast bowlers. If they take that way, hope to see Viljoen in action. Abbot offers nothing special. Can be a decent backup, but from what I've read and heard of Viljoen, he can be more than that.......

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Post by VTR on Wed 13 Jan 2016, 8:30 am

Well I did write "someone else" as I haven't got a clue who it might be, I have even heard Rossouw mentioned, which seems to be more on the basis he is in the squad than anyone is convinced he is a good Test opener

I think msp lists some good alternatives, but then by shifting players around it creates other problems. Not really sure why they haven't called up Stephen Cook

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Wed 13 Jan 2016, 10:23 am

Thing about Van Zyl is that if you picked him for the previous Test you pretty much have to stick with him for this one, since he only had one innings where his partner ran him out.

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 13 Jan 2016, 3:05 pm

A variety of infections have been whistling round the England team, meaning that currently Alex Hales is a doubt for tomorrow. Should he not be deemed fit it is likely that Compton will move up to open and Gary Ballance slot in at first wicket down.

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Post by msp83 on Wed 13 Jan 2016, 6:13 pm

South Africa going in with 4 seamers as Dane Piedt is released from the squad to play first class cricket. The indications are that it will be Hardus Viljoen who will take the extra seamer's position.
Perhaps they might also drop van Zyl after all, and may be ask QDK to open, tough ask considering he has to keep too, but they might need Duminy's parttime spin as Piedt isn't playing.

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Post by SimonofSurrey on Wed 13 Jan 2016, 9:32 pm

Hmm ... if Hales is unfit, England bat first and both openers stick around, it could be slow going all round in the first session or more. The good news for England is that with a Cook/Compton opening combo, it only needs one of them to stay in for the more flamboyant middle order to have someone around whom to play more expansively.

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 8:01 am

Hales fit, QDK not.

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 8:02 am

SA win toss and bat

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 8:05 am

England unchanged.


South Africa Team
D Elgar, S van Zyl, HM Amla, AB de Villiers*, F du Plessis, T Bavuma, DJ Vilas†, CH Morris, K Rabada, GC Viljoen, M Morkel

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 8:19 am

Okay here is my road map for the day.

South Africa would want to have a strong day with the bat to impose themselves for the first time in the series. They would want to reach close on no worse than 300 for 5.

England would see it as a good day if they could reduce South Africa to around 250 for 8 at close.
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Post by guildfordbat on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 8:32 am

LondonTiger wrote:Hales fit, QDK not.

A lot of the talk being that he was going to open in place of the much derided (by msp anyway) van Zyl. Anyway, a further opportunity for van Zyl - important for him and probably South Africa that he takes it.

Right, here we go - expect to find out a lot in the next couple of hours.

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 8:53 am

If QDK had opened, then a spot could have been found for Duminy to add another bowling option. As it is SA have the four seamers plus the part time option from the openers.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 9:02 am

Solid start by the saffers
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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 9:06 am

Olly wrote:Solid start by the saffers

And wasteful bowling by B&A

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Post by kingraf on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 9:22 am

Stiaan van Zyl has finally made it to the promised land of facing the spinner
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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 9:51 am

kingraf wrote:Stiaan van Zyl has finally made it to the promised land of facing the spinner

and throws his wicket away.

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Post by guildfordbat on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 9:59 am

Stupid play from van Zyl leaving himself open to everything that msp will throw at him.

Raf - I'm nominating you as weather expert for all of South Africa Smile , reckon we'll get near to a full day? There was talk in the UK Sky studio earlier about the possibility of showers and rain later on.

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Post by kingraf on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 10:24 am

Its difficult to say Guildford. Generally speaking afternoon showers show up out of nowhere, rain and are done in fifteen minutes. When it's been cloudy though it either rains for the whole day or not at all. I reckon it will rain at 6pm-ish
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 10:32 am

South Africa 73 for 1 at lunch and that is their session.
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Post by guildfordbat on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 10:37 am

Cheers, Raf.

Even though South Africa won the toss and chose to bat, I think given the conditions England will be disappointed to have only taken one wicket.

If not exactly looking dangerous at the moment, Elgar and Amla are looking like Test batsmen - and that could be dangerous!

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Post by VTR on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 11:11 am

I have a bad feeling about this already. It just feels to me like one of those games that will get away from England and they will end up losing heavily. They pretty much wasted the new ball so desperately need a couple of strikes quickly after lunch

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Post by alfie on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 11:54 am

Hi everyone ...just got in . See SA have been going pretty well ? Good batting , or England bowling not quite on the money ? Pitch done much ?

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Post by kingraf on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 11:58 am

Good batting but I think England have been a touch unlucky. Elgar's edged a few, Amla survived a close LBW and flashed a few times. Good pitch I reckon
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Post by guildfordbat on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 11:59 am

Stokes unlucky with an lbw review against Amla a few minutes ago.

Impact in line and shown to be going on to clip the top of middle stump but high enough to make it umpire's call and uphold the not out decision.

Geeky point admittedly (and I fully confess to not knowing the detail of the DRS rules) but the projected image of the ball hitting only showed the stumps and not the bails. If the bails had been on the image, then I'm sure that more than 50% of the ball would have been shown to be hitting the wicket.

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Post by alfie on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 12:03 pm

Thanks raf.

Elgar is having a useful series , isn't he ? Not exactly fashionable , but he does a job. Been important for SA so far given the slightly iffy later order.

With de Villiers to come they'll be happy to have got away to this handy start...as you say , looks a good cricket pitch ; something like 380-400 would be a pretty good marker , perhaps.

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Post by guildfordbat on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 12:05 pm

Hi Alfie - just seen your post which came in whilst I was doing my geek post.

SA batting pretty well (albeit with a bit of luck as Raf says) apart from van Zyl's dismissal (as msp will say), bowling not entirely on the money, pitch not doing much to help the bowlers.

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Post by alfie on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 12:08 pm

guildfordbat wrote:Stokes unlucky with an lbw review against Amla a few minutes ago.

Impact in line and shown to be going on to clip the top of middle stump but high enough to make it umpire's call and uphold the not out decision.

Geeky point admittedly (and I fully confess to not knowing the detail of the DRS rules) but the projected image of the ball hitting only showed the stumps and not the bails. If the bails had been on the image, then I'm sure that more than 50% of the  ball would have been shown to be hitting the wicket.

I think that's just a visual representation though , guildford. I understand the tracking takes into account the actual area of the wicket - presumably allowing for bails.

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Post by kingraf on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 12:14 pm

Yip just a visual representation and then the graphic tries as best as possible produce a vignette as compatible to the algorithm as possible in a really short space of time
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Post by guildfordbat on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 12:32 pm

alfie wrote:
guildfordbat wrote:Stokes unlucky with an lbw review against Amla a few minutes ago.

Impact in line and shown to be going on to clip the top of middle stump but high enough to make it umpire's call and uphold the not out decision.

Geeky point admittedly (and I fully confess to not knowing the detail of the DRS rules) but the projected image of the ball hitting only showed the stumps and not the bails. If the bails had been on the image, then I'm sure that more than 50% of the  ball would have been shown to be hitting the wicket.

I think that's just a visual representation though , guildford.  I understand the tracking takes into account the actual area of the wicket - presumably allowing for bails.

Fair enough, Alfie - and Raf, in his subsequent post. It was unhelpful though - especially for such a tight call - that what was being said by the tv commentators and being shown on the screen didn't quite gel or, at least, wasn't properly explained.

Btw, I'm claiming an assist for Elgar's wicket. I was just about to say that Elgar played a couple of 4 day games for Surrey last season and generally impressed through being so solid and dependable. If the SA schedule ever allows, I wouldn't be surprised if Surrey sought to sign him again after Sanga finally packs up. Thought it was a poor way for him to get out today though - he really seemed to feel for the ball unnecessarily although I'm sure Olly will be pointing out that I've missed how much Super Mo bamboozled him! Very Happy

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Post by alfie on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 12:34 pm

Now that was a fine piece of bowling from Finn ! Amla could not be blamed for falling to that ball clap

Cook ringing the changes successfully here...

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Post by guildfordbat on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 12:37 pm

Excellent bowling from Finn to get Amla.

England in a good place now - one more by tea please.

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Post by alfie on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 12:52 pm

Yes . Important twenty minutes now...

Moeen settled nicely and Finn is producing some excellent deliveries. I wonder if I'd have pace fom both ends though with Du Plessis just in ? Just a couple of overs from Anderson , say.

Finn bowled two balls then just impossible to play ,

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Post by dyrewolfe on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 12:59 pm

Well SA haven't found it easy to score so far. Be interesting to see how England fare when its their turn.

SA will need some pretty stiff middle order resistance to post a challenging total. Still, with AB at the crease there is every chance of that.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 1:23 pm

That was England's session and they bowled better. South Africa will want to kick on again after tea and up the run rate losing no more than a wicket I'd say. They'd settle now on closing the day on around 240 for 4 - that would be a good day's work for them. England would want to pick up more wickets - if they can reduce South Africa to around 220 for 6 they'd be delighted.
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Post by dyrewolfe on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 1:41 pm

Wow - Stokes gets rid of de Villiers cheaply (36). Think SA will struggle now at 161-4.
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Post by alfie on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 1:42 pm

Good breakthrough for England shortly after tea thumbsup Stokes will be ...stoked ?

AB was looking quite dangerous ; they'll be glad to have his wicket.

That 300/5 looking a fair way off now Craig ? Still Bavuma played well in Cape Town : important partnership now...

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Post by VTR on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 1:53 pm

Maybe Botham's own comparison to himself is starting to bear fruit for Stokes. 2 wickets from bad bowling now!

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Post by alfie on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 1:57 pm

Bavuma has started well...du Plessis still doesn't look entirely comfortable to me.
Like the double pace attack with the two new bats in - plenty of time for Moeen to bowl later. Think we might see Finn again shortly...Broad apparently not 100% so might be used sparingly.

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Post by dyrewolfe on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 2:01 pm

Erk! Forgot they still have Bavuma to come. He'll be full of confidence after his last innings...

Still, du Plessis seems prone to mistakes. If England can get them to 200-odd for 5 by close of play I'm sure they will be quite happy.
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Post by dummy_half on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 2:03 pm

Nicely balanced position at the moment - a couple more for England and we'll have had a decent day, but if this pair make it to the close then advantage SA.

At the moment though, if I was a SA fan I'd be a bit annoyed that all 4 of the out batsmen made starts but none have gone on to get even a 50. OK, so from the description, no blame can be put on Amla other than that he was good enough to nick a really good one, but the others have all some culpability for their dismissals.

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Post by alfie on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 2:14 pm

Sustained pressure on Du Plessis tells ...picks out a fieldsman in his attempt to break the shackles.

New keeper in now and England will feel they are close to getting at the bowlers...

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Post by dyrewolfe on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 2:15 pm

Get in there!

Finn disposes of du Plessis (guilty of Faf-ing about?) for 16 and SA are 185-5. Good catch from Hales.

Think this is England's day now.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 2:17 pm

dyrewolfe wrote:

Think this is England's day now.

Depends. If this pair can get to close of play then I'd say it is level day's play. Anymore wickets to fall and it just edges the day in England's favour.
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Post by alfie on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 2:37 pm

Hmm. England on top , I'd say...but a tricky time for Cook about now : with Broad out of sorts , he has to be careful juggling his pace men. Finn has lost his line a bit lately (tiring ?) ...and the twelve overs to the new ball could be a bit fraught...

Broad back now : fair enough. Finn can take the new one ; hope Broad can do a job now. A wicket before the new ball would see England well poised.

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Post by alfie on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 2:45 pm

Vilas looking pretty good...couple of nice shots , sound enough in defence.

Think this is a decent pitch to bat on though...

Run out !

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 2:47 pm

That is an awful wicket to lose - a run out. Kamikaze stuff when that pair were beginning to look settled. Now England's day perhaps.
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Post by dyrewolfe on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 2:47 pm

Oh dear - Bavuma hesitates when called to run and is run out.

SA's last big danger man is out for 23 and SA are 212-6. Definitely England's day.
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Post by alfie on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 2:48 pm

Good bit of work from Bairstow - who is having a good day behind the stumps - made ground to gather the throw and end that partnership just as it was looking solid.

SA guilty of throwing away a few wickets today ...which is why I'd suggest this pitch is not a bad one to bat on at all : they are all getting good starts.

A lot up to Morris now.

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