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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by nathan on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 3:52 pm

That should of gone the other way, sarries 7 tackled off the ball

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by beshocked on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 3:52 pm

Need a bollocking from McCall at half time. Seem uncharacteristically jittery.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Scottrf on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 3:52 pm

Can't see this on Sky?

EDIT: Nevermind, got it.


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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Notch on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 3:52 pm

Scottrf wrote:Can't see this on Sky?

BT

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by nathan on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 3:53 pm

Scottrf wrote:Can't see this on Sky?
BT sport europe

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Scottrf on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 3:55 pm

Cheers guys.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by toml on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 3:57 pm

Saracens go 15m backwards in that first maul and even then Garces was reluctant to say once. They should have had to use it

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by eirebilly on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 3:58 pm

toml wrote:Saracens go 15m backwards in that first maul and even then Garces was reluctant to say once. They should have had to use it

Totally agree, I thought that he was very slow in asking Sarries to use it.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Notch on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 3:59 pm

Bit of a mountain to climb in the second half for us. Bar one superb attack we're second best across the pitch.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by toml on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:01 pm

Notch wrote:Bit of a mountain to climb in the second half for us. Bar one superb attack we're second best across the pitch.

Not much in it TBH bar the set piece

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Marshes on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:02 pm

Notch wrote:Bit of a mountain to climb in the second half for us. Bar one superb attack we're second best across the pitch.

Ulster holding there own I think, can make a good fist of it in the second half. Just very tough to build momentum with how quick the Sarries defence comes up.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by beshocked on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:04 pm

Notch I disagree. I thought your attack has been good and strong defence. Really nice try.

It's the set piece which has really been the difference so far IMO.

Hard for your backs with the lack of territory and possession.

Sarries need to show something extra when teams can match them up front.


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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by eirebilly on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:04 pm

Ulster can still do this. I must say (I never like criticising ref's) that Garces got the call, when Ashton rolled Marshall away by a neck roll, completely wrong. To me that's a yellow card every day of the week.

Ulster must up the intensity, get in the face of Farrell and improve discipline if they are to pull this off. Sarries are a very good side but Ulster are giving them a small helping hand with some basic errors.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:06 pm

Marshes wrote:
Notch wrote:Bit of a mountain to climb in the second half for us. Bar one superb attack we're second best across the pitch.

Ulster holding there own I think, can make a good fist of it in the second half. Just very tough to build momentum with how quick the Sarries defence comes up.

Their rush defence is very good but there have been a few offsides missed. Ashton especially has been offside an awful lot which is frustrating.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Notch on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:10 pm

beshocked wrote:Notch I disagree. I thought your attack has been good and strong defence. Really nice try.

It's the set piece which has really been the difference so far IMO.

Hard for your backs with the lack of territory and possession.

Sarries need to show something extra when teams can match them up front.

Thats what I mean- how do we change that territory and possession around in our favour? Scrum and lineout we're under big pressure, we're not finding too much grass with our kicking and Saracens are very happy to defend us running from deep, It's going to be tough. We had chances to build on our start and we didn't take them, but yeah we're still in it- we just can't make the number of errors that we are making and get what we need here.

We need to win or draw the second half to get that LBP and Sarries do tend to pull away in the last quarter, so we need another huge 40 minutes in the vein of last week! Unless our pack can sort out the set piece and start dominating the collisions it has a bit of a sense of inevitability about it.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by clivemcl on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:11 pm

Pity Garces didn't see the penalty on Diack during the lineout we had in their 22. Could have been a crucial time to take points. Clearly interference in the air but seen as a dropped ball. And we lost possession.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Notch on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:12 pm

clivemcl wrote:Pity Garces didn't see the penalty on Diack during the lineout we had in their 22. Could have been a crucial time to take points. Clearly interference in the air but seen as a dropped ball. And we lost possession.

Thought the same, he took the arm not the ball.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by nathan on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:13 pm

clivemcl wrote:Pity Garces didn't see the penalty on Diack during the lineout we had in their 22. Could have been a crucial time to take points. Clearly interference in the air but seen as a dropped ball. And we lost possession.

I don't think it was in the air, looked like disco was bending forward and then it was ripped.


 (That sounds a bit dodgy)

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by nathan on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:14 pm

eirebilly wrote:Ulster can still do this. I must say (I never like criticising ref's) that Garces got the call, when Ashton rolled Marshall away by a neck roll, completely wrong. To me that's a yellow card every day of the week.

Ulster must up the intensity, get in the face of Farrell and improve discipline if they are to pull this off. Sarries are a very good side but Ulster are giving them a small helping hand with some basic errors.
The only reason I think is that he wasn't the main tackler, but I'm still undecided on it.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by clivemcl on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:15 pm

nathan wrote:
clivemcl wrote:Pity Garces didn't see the penalty on Diack during the lineout we had in their 22. Could have been a crucial time to take points. Clearly interference in the air but seen as a dropped ball. And we lost possession.

I don't think it was in the air, looked like disco was bending forward and then it was ripped.


 (That sounds a bit dodgy)

Na, it was clear as day in replay. Diack had his right arm hooked as he was catching it. Commentators even mentioned it.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by eirebilly on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:15 pm

If McCloskey and Marshall stay fit, they must be certain starters in the Irish team (unless Schmidt see's Henshaw as a 13). Payne is having a great game at 15 and will be ahead of Kearney for the Irish 15. Hard to believe that a player that has been out of the game can look so match fit on his return, quality.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by beshocked on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:16 pm

If I was Ulster I would kick more to Ransom whose been shaky. Goode's absence is clear.

Also Ashton is better chasing than catching so I would kick to him more too.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by clivemcl on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:17 pm

Do Ulster let loose or try to be controlled and cling onto the LBP?

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Welly on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:17 pm

With Goode not there saracens certainly look weaker against the kicks.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by nathan on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:17 pm

beshocked wrote:If I was Ulster I would kick more to Ransom whose been shaky. Goode's absence is clear.

Also Ashton is better chasing than catching so I would kick to him more too.
Yeah he's a bit of wimp when catching and worries more about the tackle about to come than catching the ball.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by clivemcl on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:20 pm

Ulster stating their intent turning down the three

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Scottrf on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:20 pm

beshocked wrote:If I was Ulster I would kick more to Ransom whose been shaky. Goode's absence is clear.

Also Ashton is better chasing than catching so I would kick to him more too.
'And a brilliant take from Ransom'.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by toml on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:20 pm

Ulster have a maul and within a few seconds graces says once - total inconsistency

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by nathan on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:22 pm

toml wrote:Ulster have a maul and within a few seconds graces says once - total inconsistency
It happens, move on!

I still get peed that each ref have their own interpretation of the laws - it shouldn't be allowed to happen, causes confusion for players and fans.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by toml on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:24 pm

He's missed the fact that Saracens are offside 90% of the time too

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by toml on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:25 pm

toml wrote:He's missed the fact that Saracens are offside 90% of the time too

Thanks BOD

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by nathan on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:27 pm

Ulster trying to rip the ball whilst on the fall, got away with 1 in the first half but been pinged twice now

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Scottrf on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:28 pm

Good stuff from Farrell.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Cyril on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:28 pm

Lovely by Farrell. Great score after loads of pressure!

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Golden on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:29 pm

Very nice try there. Well done Farrell

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by nathan on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:29 pm

Lol, think I'm on a bit of a delay

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by beshocked on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:29 pm

George and Itoje show why they are in the England squad by making good carries.

Farrell and Taylor get the glory but the hard yards made by the forwards.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Exiledinborders on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:29 pm

Much improved player this season.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Notch on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:34 pm

Ulster now forcing things badly and handing the initiative to Sarries

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by clivemcl on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:35 pm

Trimble! steam

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by nathan on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:35 pm

I do sometimes think daglo is drunk

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Cyril on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:35 pm

Itoje!

Ulster looks knackered.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Cyril on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:36 pm

Some good performances coming in from England players. Good signs for Eddie.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by clivemcl on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:37 pm

Cyril wrote:Itoje!

Ulster looks knackered.

Not surprising. Injuries have seen us flog some of these players this season.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Notch on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:37 pm

Exactly what I was afraid of at half-time.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by clivemcl on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:39 pm

Gilroy. That was just idiotic.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Cyril on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:39 pm

There's the bonus point.

Could get very messy for Ulster now.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by Pot Hale on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:40 pm

Ulster dead and buried with Saracens getting the bonus point on 62 mins.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by nathan on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:41 pm

Who went off for sarries injured?

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 1: Saracens v Ulster, 16 January

Post by clivemcl on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 4:42 pm

Right Ulster. Probably not the right attitude. But maybe field the B team against Oyannax and shift our focus to qualification for next year. No point competing in Europe unless you can be consistent.

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