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Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by George Carlin on Wed 13 Jan 2016, 7:13 am

            
Leinster Rugby v Bath Rugby 
Saturday 16 January 2016
KO 17:30
RDS Arena, Dublin

Live on Sky Sports / beIN Sports

Referee Pascal Gauzere (France)
Touch Judge 1 Maxime Chalon (France)
Touch Judge 2 Jean-Luc Rebollal (France)
Fourth Official Eric Gonthier (France)
TMO Eric Gonthier (France)
Assessor Jerry Wallis (England)
Citing Commissioner Alberto Recaldini (Italy)

A. Head to Head

8 Played 8
6 Wins 2
2 Losses 6
0 Draws 0
215 Points 153

B. Tournament Form

Leinster Rugby
19/12/15: Leinster 16 - 20 Toulon
13/12/15: Toulon 24 - 9 Leinster
21/11/15: Bath 19 - 16 Leinster

Bath Rugby
10/1/16: Toulon 12 - 9 Bath
19/12/15: Bath 10 - 36 Wasps
13/12/15: Wasps 23 - 25 Bath

C. Teams

Leinster Rugby

15. Zane Kirchner; 14. Isa Nacewa, 13. Garry Ringrose, 12. Ben Te'o, 11. Dave Kearney; 10. Ian Madigan, 9. Luke McGrath; 1. Peter Dooley, 2. James Tracy, 3. Tadhg Furlong, 4. Ross Molony, 5. Mike McCarthy, 6. Rhys Ruddock, 7. Josh Van Der Flier, 8. Jordi Murphy

16. Sean Cronin, 17. Jack McGrath, 18. Martin Moore, 19. Tom Denton, 20. Sean O'Brien, 21. Eoin Reddan, 22. Johnny Sexton, 23. Noel Reid

Bath Rugby

15. Anthony Watson; 14. Semesa Rokoduguni, 13. Jonathan Joseph, 12. Kyle Eastmond, 11. Matt Banahan; 10. George Ford, 9. Chris Cook; 1. Max Lahiff, 2. Rob Webber, 3. David Wilson, 4. Stuart Hooper, 5. Dom Day, 6. Matt Garvey, 7. Francois Louw, 8. Leroy Houston

16. Ross Batty, 17. Nick Auterac, 18. Henry Thomas, 19. Charlie Ewels, 20. David Denton, 21. Jonathan Evans, 22. Rhys Priestland, 23. Tom Homer


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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by George Carlin on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 6:02 am

Jaysus, I remember when you couldn't move on their boards for gleefully posting Ladyboy fans. Now:
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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by eirebilly on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 7:09 am

To be fair, that was mainly gibbo though, he was like 25 Leinster posters rolled into 1 Wink

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by thebandwagonsociety on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 10:56 am

Cannot see past a Bath win here. They should be targetting a TBP.

Baths last trip to Dublin ended in defeat but from memory they paid too much respect to Leinster and the game was there for them to win easily if they had realised. Both teams have gone in different directions since then so should be comfortable for Bath.

A Euro match with a PRL team and it isn't on BT Sport, is something wrong there?

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by rodders on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 10:58 am

BT don't cover away matches outside the UK.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by brennomac on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 11:02 am

Maybe Bath will win but I doubt it this time and certainly the chances of a TBP against the meanest defence in the pro12 are nil. Given Bath's position in the AP maybe you can clarify how they gave gone in a different direction to Leinster who are beginning to show some improvement after a lousy start. Don't think Bath will get out of this group but frankly if bath or Wasps qualify as long as Toulon don't.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by asoreleftshoulder on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 5:47 pm

I expect a pretty comfortable Leinster win,we're a different team now that Cullen has had a chance to make his mark and as long as we don't capitulate in the scrum like we did in the away fixture then I'd say we should win by 10.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by LeinsterFan4life on Thu 14 Jan 2016, 6:04 pm

This is a huge game for us as a big win here can set us up for the next campaign. Hopefully VDF and Ringrose start and get that exposure.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Pot Hale on Fri 15 Jan 2016, 12:38 am

Let's face it, Leinster have nothing to play for. Bath should win comfortably with the players they have got. Leinster already out so dead match for them. Their position in the pool doesn't have any effect on rankings next year so probably should try out a few of the academy players alongside some of the more experienced players.

Try bonus should be a realistic achievement.


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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by LondonTiger on Fri 15 Jan 2016, 8:12 am

Should be a comfortable win for Leinster, though with captain Hooper returned at least Bath showed some grit against Toulon.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Golden on Fri 15 Jan 2016, 9:14 am

Leinster are in a much better place then when they faced Bath last time. They wont want to end their season in Europe with no wins and this is an easier game then away to Wasps. Plus Im sure they'd love to knock Bruce Craig's play thing out of Europe.

I'd expect a strong Leinster team injuries withstanding.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by rodders on Fri 15 Jan 2016, 9:25 am

LondonTiger wrote:Should be a comfortable win for Leinster,

Pot Hale wrote:Bath should win comfortably

Hmm - I see the scrap for the plucky underdog tag has kicked off... angel

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 15 Jan 2016, 9:31 am

Bath have been really poor so far this year. I wouldn't really bet on them beating anyone if they turn up as they have in the prem. That said they are clearly capable of much more, Ford has started to look back to his better form and he's important making the whole team tick. I wouldn't like to say who is favourite.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Cyril on Fri 15 Jan 2016, 10:19 am

It'll probably be a draw Smile

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by yappysnap on Fri 15 Jan 2016, 11:57 am

Leinster to win

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by LondonTiger on Fri 15 Jan 2016, 12:07 pm

Leinster Rugby
15. Zane Kirchner; 14. Isa Nacewa, 13. Garry Ringrose, 12. Ben Te'o, 11. Dave Kearney; 10. Ian Madigan, 9. Luke McGrath; 1. Peter Dooley, 2. James Tracy, 3. Tadhg Furlong, 4. Ross Molony, 5. Mike McCarthy, 6. Rhys Ruddock, 7. Josh Van Der Flier, 8. Jordi Murphy
16. Sean Cronin, 17. Jack McGrath, 18. Martin Moore, 19. Tom Denton, 20. Sean O'Brien, 21. Eoin Reddan, 22. Johnny Sexton, 23. Noel Reid

Bath Rugby

15. Anthony Watson; 14. Semesa Rokoduguni, 13. Jonathan Joseph, 12. Kyle Eastmond, 11. Matt Banahan; 10. George Ford, 9. Chris Cook; 1. Max Lahiff, 2. Rob Webber, 3. David Wilson, 4. Stuart Hooper, 5. Dom Day, 6. Matt Garvey, 7. Francois Louw, 8. Leroy Houston
16. Ross Batty, 17. Nick Auterac, 18. Henry Thomas, 19. Charlie Ewels, 20. David Denton, 21. Jonathan Evans, 22. Rhys Priestland, 23. Tom Homer

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by LeinsterFan4life on Fri 15 Jan 2016, 12:47 pm

Exciting Leinster team but the scrum could be a worry.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Golden on Fri 15 Jan 2016, 12:51 pm

Yikes very surprsied Cullen didnt go for the strongest team.

Massive task for the front 5.

Youd have to favour Bath now.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by eirebilly on Fri 15 Jan 2016, 12:53 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Exciting Leinster team but the scrum could be a worry.

Are you happy with Cullen? I must admit that I thought it was a mistake to appoint him but I can see what he is trying to do and if it clicks, Leinster may be a very good team again.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by LeinsterFan4life on Fri 15 Jan 2016, 1:01 pm

eirebilly wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:Exciting Leinster team but the scrum could be a worry.

Are you happy with Cullen? I must admit that I thought it was a mistake to appoint him but I can see what he is trying to do and if it clicks, Leinster may be a very good team again.
Certainly playing better rugby than we were under MOC. I think it will all come down to who we sign for next season. If we get a top SH and second row we could have a really good team but I have no faith in Leinster/IRFU scouting.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by kunu on Fri 15 Jan 2016, 1:22 pm

The big difference between the two for me is, Cullen is willing to start younger players. I suppose the pressure to succeed had dissipated once Cullen inherited a backfiring team. I don't think we're playing particularly inspiring rugby, and on top of that we're out of Europe already and our group is hardly amazing (6th and 9th placed premiership sides have beaten us). But we're clearly making progress - something I never felt when watching MOC's side came within a hair of the HC final last year.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by munkian on Fri 15 Jan 2016, 1:50 pm

I hope both teams lose Whistle Run

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by eirebilly on Fri 15 Jan 2016, 6:35 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:Exciting Leinster team but the scrum could be a worry.

Are you happy with Cullen? I must admit that I thought it was a mistake to appoint him but I can see what he is trying to do and if it clicks, Leinster may be a very good team again.
Certainly playing better rugby than we were under MOC. I think it will all come down to who we sign for next season. If we get a top SH and second row we could have a really good team but I have no faith in Leinster/IRFU scouting.

With Madigan away, I think Leinster also need to sign a good 10 (or have they already, not up to date with Leinster transfer news) to cover for Sexton.

I just think that Cullen is bringing a balance to the Leinster team and it bodes well for them next season.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Pot Hale on Fri 15 Jan 2016, 6:56 pm

rodders wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Should be a comfortable win for Leinster,

Pot Hale wrote:Bath should win comfortably

Hmm - I see the scrap for the plucky underdog tag has kicked off... angel


Bath - all guns blazing in last chance saloon v Cullen experimenting.

Only one outcome should happen.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by thebandwagonsociety on Fri 15 Jan 2016, 7:44 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:Exciting Leinster team but the scrum could be a worry.

Are you happy with Cullen? I must admit that I thought it was a mistake to appoint him but I can see what he is trying to do and if it clicks, Leinster may be a very good team again.
Certainly playing better rugby than we were under MOC. I think it will all come down to who we sign for next season. If we get a top SH and second row we could have a really good team but I have no faith in Leinster/IRFU scouting.

Surely we have a top SH in luke mcgrath. Boss needs to become a coach (somewhere else) and reddan become the older statesman in support keeping the kid honest.

Second row definitely agree with you. Molony looks good but probably a solid replacement for McCarthy long term. We've tried to recruit locks a number of times now except for Thorn and Hynes they rarely provided the umphh to match their bulk or paypacket.

I think the front row should be good in this game, they are very inexperienced but technically well drilled. My problem is the lack of power in the second row might just put this Leinster pack in reverse gear fairly quickly.

Are they clearing a bit of space for Ross Byrne? Only seen him from the bench but has a great physique for an outhalf, decent underage pedigree but hasn't really played with the first XV yet. a solid 6 foot something, only 21 years old, could be a good prospect.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by LeinsterFan4life on Fri 15 Jan 2016, 7:55 pm

We still need a SH to come in and do a job and preferable a good one. The jury is still very much out on Luke Mcgrath so I wouldn't be confident on relying on just him. Ross Byrne started against the Scarlets earlier in the season and had a nightmare. Still a great prospect but will have to be managed.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by eirebilly on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 5:47 pm

Well, best of luck Leinster fans, hope you can get the win today thumbsup

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Pot Hale on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 6:23 pm

Leinster B team somehow are leading Bath at half-time

12-3.

Presume Bath will step it up in the second half and win at a canter...

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by nathan on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 6:27 pm

Pot Hale wrote:Leinster B team somehow are leading Bath at half-time

12-3.

Presume Bath will step it up in the second half and win at a canter...  
Guessing you haven't seen much of bath this season.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Pot Hale on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 6:31 pm

nathan wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:Leinster B team somehow are leading Bath at half-time

12-3.

Presume Bath will step it up in the second half and win at a canter...  
Guessing you haven't seen much of bath this season.

I have actually. They're a good side.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Heaf on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 6:37 pm

Did anyone else think the yellow was a little harsh?

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by nathan on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 6:38 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
nathan wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:Leinster B team somehow are leading Bath at half-time

12-3.

Presume Bath will step it up in the second half and win at a canter...  
Guessing you haven't seen much of bath this season.

I have actually. They're a good side.
They've had one good game and they've been pretty average. Dropped in form since last season.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 6:43 pm

How was that not a yellow after Nacewa's break??

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Heaf on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 6:50 pm

Yes he got up slowly off the ground and got in the way a bit but the Bath defence were in place and they were 40 metres out.  Seen plenty of mauls pulled down much closer (not in this match) that aren't given as yellow so this just seemed a bit harsh.  Just my observation - not really worried either way tbh.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Heaf on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 6:54 pm

Ah I've just caught up - see you're talking about a different incident ...

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 6:56 pm

Yeah when McArthy knocked it on after it looked like a bath player handled the ball. Ref gave a penalty. And was a very obvious yellow IMO - Bath were at sea!

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Heaf on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 6:58 pm

Perhaps he was thinking he was harsh for the earlier yellow so was balancing it out Smile

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Golden on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 7:05 pm

Great response

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by VinceWLB on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 7:05 pm

Impressive from Leinster, they looked almost unstoppable on that sequence.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by maestegmafia on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 7:17 pm

Ring rose is a superb player

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Heaf on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 7:18 pm

Clearly after having a rush of blood and giving that first yellow to Bath the ref has bottled a few after on both sides ...

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Golden on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 7:21 pm

Isa still has some gas

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 7:26 pm

What has happened to Bath this season? They've been really bad tonight.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Pot Hale on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 7:29 pm

Well I'll say one thing for Munster and Leinster even though they were both out of the running to qualify.

They both turned up to play today.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by nathan on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 7:30 pm

They've been bad all season, there last Euro game was good but everything else has been a bit meh

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Marshes on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 7:32 pm

Good to see bounce back from Leinster and Munster today, need to build on those now. All the young guns played really well, Molony, Ringrose, Tracy, Furlong, VDF, all brilliant.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Heaf on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 7:34 pm

Heaf wrote:Clearly after having a rush of blood and giving that first yellow to Bath the ref has bottled a few after on both sides ...
I reckon it should have been 2-1 on the yellows instead of 0-1 although Bath would probably still have lost as they didn't really look to be at the races for most of the game ...

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Marshes on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 7:36 pm

Heaf wrote:
Heaf wrote:Clearly after having a rush of blood and giving that first yellow to Bath the ref has bottled a few after on both sides ...
I reckon it should have been 2-1 on the yellows instead of 0-1 although Bath would probably still have lost as they didn't really look to be at the races for most of the game ...

T'eo was lucky I thought, that could have gone either way.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by VinceWLB on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 7:37 pm

Leinster have been slowly but surely turning on the screw after that pathetic performance at home against Wasps and Cullen has been doing a decent job so far.

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Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster v Bath, 16 January

Post by Pot Hale on Sat 16 Jan 2016, 7:37 pm

Congrats to Leinster. Good result for Cullen and his starting selection rewarded him with his faith in the academy troops.

Dooley, Travcy, Molony, Furlong, van der Flier take a bow.

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