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Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 22 Jan 2016, 9:50 am

SANZAR is expected to announce a significant change to the Super Rugby bonus points system with teams set to be rewarded for scoring three more tries than their opposition.

In a bid to promote more free-flowing rugby for the entire duration of a match, the SANZAR board met on Thursday to discuss a radical proposal which would result in the abolition of the bonus point awarded when a team scores four or more tries.

Instead, Super Rugby teams will notch up an extra point if they score three or more tries than their opposition in a match, meaning bonus points will not be determined so easily and early on like in previous years.

There have been occasions when teams have racked up their four tries and, knowing they cannot gain anything more from the match, have brought in a number of substitutes from around the 60-minute mark.
However, the new bonus points system will hopefully encourage sides to stick with their best 15 players for longer and prevent lopsided contests.

There is also speculation, according to a South African report, that referees' microphones will be broadcast around the ground so fans can listen to exactly what is being said by those in charge.

The bonus-point system has been adopted from the French Top 14 competition, which has had great success in recent years with the point-scoring system.

Whilst greater attack is the desired outcome, a resolute defensive effort is needed to maintain the three-try buffer.
Meanwhile, the bonus point awarded to teams who come within seven points of their opponent will remain, such is the plan to reward close contests.

So will this lead to teams carrying on attacking once the 3 try buffer is achieved, or will it place even greater emphasis on defence?

Also, I'm assuming the losing team will no longer get a BP for scoring 4 tries? That would be a shame, as now the only motivation a losing time now has (other than getting within 7) is to stop the other team getting a BP!

Like most rugby rule changes I suspect we won't fully see what happens until some games are played.

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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by Notch on Fri 22 Jan 2016, 9:56 am

I don't like this system as much- as you say the team that concedes four tries still has an incentive to keep playing and if the team thats ahead takes their foot off the gas, that doesn't change. Perfect example would be the Ospreys fighting back to claim both a try bonus point and a losing bonus point in their game against Bordeaux Begles.

Sure teams can give up when the scoreline stretches, or take their foot off the gas when they're ahead, but that happens with this system too.

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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by VinceWLB on Fri 22 Jan 2016, 9:57 am

So like in the Top 14 then?

Not a fan of that at all. You score 4 tries you should get a TBP regardless of what the opposition does.

Actually i would get rid of the TBP at all, when you play in Edinburgh you are more unlikely to get a bonus point than if you play under a nice sun in Toulon, regardless of how crap Edinburgh attack has been all season!

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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 22 Jan 2016, 9:59 am

Surely it wouldn't be that much of an added complication to give the losing team a BP for scoring 4 tries, hence getting rid of one of the main issues with this new system?

But I suppose we would then be in the bizarre situation that the losing team gets a bonus point but the winning team (who scores 6 tries say) doesn't!

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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by CraigS1874 on Fri 22 Jan 2016, 9:59 am

I think the losing bonus point will remain?

This system will hold back the NZ teams as NZ derbys often ended up with high scoring games for both sides meaning that the losing team can often come away with a 4 try BP. Highlanders indoor pitch also helped this.

Will this be implemented for the RWC 2019? I would guess so

And as a side note about the southern hemisphere, argentina put on twitter last night they hope to play Oz at twickers in the RC. All about the money


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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 22 Jan 2016, 10:00 am

My understanding is they are doing away with the 4 try BP for the loser.

Perhaps to prevent the scenario I outlined above!

Also, the comparison with the Top 14 isn't a good one - you can hardly say that is a free flowing attacking league!

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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by Notch on Fri 22 Jan 2016, 10:02 am

CraigS1874 wrote:And as a side note about the southern hemispherem argentina put on twitter last night they hope to play Oz at twickers in the RC. All about the money

What a load of

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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by Cyril on Fri 22 Jan 2016, 10:25 am

That would be great to have a Rugby Championship game at HQ!

Hope it happens Smile

As for the bonus point change, I'm not sure it will make much difference. Sides adapt.

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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by Golden on Fri 22 Jan 2016, 3:27 pm

They are also changing the use of the TMO. They will now only be called on for the act of scoring a try and foul play, which means the referee can no longer check forward passes or knock ons.

I like this, think it will let the game flow better.

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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by The Great Aukster on Fri 22 Jan 2016, 11:01 pm

Yet another example proving how intellectually challenged the administrators of the game are. Are four tries not enough entertainment for the crowd? How many are enough 40 v 36?

How ridiculous is this:
"the new bonus points system will hopefully encourage sides to stick with their best 15 players for longer and prevent lopsided contests." Eh?? A team that has already scored four tries is fairly lopsided in most contests, so keep the "best 15" on for longer just to make it even more lopsided! Obviously the guys that came up with this played before the concussion protocols.

If anything needs changed it is the losing bonus point, that is patently unfair. If a team gets within seven the winner should forfeit a point to give to the loser. That would make the decisions at the end of games far more interesting, but alas those with the vision of a blind cave fish have seen the future and think it's basketball.


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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by Munchkin on Fri 22 Jan 2016, 11:11 pm

The Great Aukster wrote:Yet another example proving how intellectually challenged the administrators of the game are. Are four tries not enough entertainment for the crowd? How many are enough 40 v 36?

How ridiculous is this:
"the new bonus points system will hopefully encourage sides to stick with their best 15 players for longer and prevent lopsided contests." Eh?? A team that has already scored four tries is fairly lopsided in most contests, so keep the "best 15" on for longer just to make it even more lopsided! Obviously the guys that came up with this played before the concussion protocols.

If anything needs changed it is the losing bonus point, that is patently unfair. If a team gets within seven the winner should forfeit a point to give to the loser. That would make the decisions at the end of games far more interesting, but alas those with the vision of a blind cave fish have seen the future and think it's basketball.


That's a very good idea, Aukster, and agree with the rest of your post,and would add (this might be included in your point about concussion); what about player welfare? Sides forced to stick with the best xv, meaning that players are less likely to get rest, and more likely to be injured as a result.

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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by Notch on Fri 22 Jan 2016, 11:13 pm

I'm just relieved they haven't decided to legalise pulling down the maul again. That was the very worst law experiment I can remember (I know there are those who vocally disagree).

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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by VinceWLB on Sat 23 Jan 2016, 9:21 am

Notch wrote:I'm just relieved they haven't decided to legalise pulling down the maul again. That was the very worst law experiment I can remember (I know there are those who vocally disagree).

Then they would need to ref the maul properly and get rid of truck and trailers which is an offside in the game of rugby. This is never reffed properly.

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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by doctor_grey on Sat 23 Jan 2016, 11:02 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:
SANZAR is expected to announce a significant change to the Super Rugby bonus points system with teams set to be rewarded for scoring three more tries than their opposition.

In a bid to promote more free-flowing rugby for the entire duration of a match, the SANZAR board met on Thursday to discuss a radical proposal which would result in the abolition of the bonus point awarded when a team scores four or more tries.

Instead, Super Rugby teams will notch up an extra point if they score three or more tries than their opposition in a match, meaning bonus points will not be determined so easily and early on like in previous years.

There have been occasions when teams have racked up their four tries and, knowing they cannot gain anything more from the match, have brought in a number of substitutes from around the 60-minute mark.
However, the new bonus points system will hopefully encourage sides to stick with their best 15 players for longer and prevent lopsided contests.

There is also speculation, according to a South African report, that referees' microphones will be broadcast around the ground so fans can listen to exactly what is being said by those in charge.

The bonus-point system has been adopted from the French Top 14 competition, which has had great success in recent years with the point-scoring system.

Whilst greater attack is the desired outcome, a resolute defensive effort is needed to maintain the three-try buffer.
Meanwhile, the bonus point awarded to teams who come within seven points of their opponent will remain, such is the plan to reward close contests.

So will this lead to teams carrying on attacking once the 3 try buffer is achieved, or will it place even greater emphasis on defence?

Also, I'm assuming the losing team will no longer get a BP for scoring 4 tries? That would be a shame, as now the only motivation a losing time now has (other than getting within 7) is to stop the other team getting a BP!

Like most rugby rule changes I suspect we won't fully see what happens until some games are played.
A plan designed to enshrine low class behaviour, bad sportsmanship, and all other negativities of sport.  

The rocket scientists at Sanzar failed with the ELVs, so the keep trying screw the game in every possible manner.  Maybe they don't really like Rugby and prefer AFL.

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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by aucklandlaurie on Sat 23 Jan 2016, 6:00 pm


SANZAR dont appear to have communicated this too well, at least Toddy said they got "flicked an email".

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11578178

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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by aucklandlaurie on Sat 23 Jan 2016, 7:55 pm


World rugby had previously considered this and caned it. Dave Rennie.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11578671

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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by DaveM on Sun 24 Jan 2016, 1:05 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:
Also, the comparison with the Top 14 isn't a good one - you can hardly say that is a free flowing attacking league!

That's what I was thinking! I live in fear that the AP, with the extra money, will become more like the Top 14.

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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by doctor_grey on Sun 24 Jan 2016, 1:08 am

Does anyone think this is a good idea?

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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by emack2 on Sun 24 Jan 2016, 1:15 am

NZ teams are unhappy with it.foisted on them by Sanzar without consultation,idea was
mooted and squashed 3 years ago.

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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by DaveM on Sun 24 Jan 2016, 1:25 am

I think the current system works pretty well.

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Re: Super Rugby to change the try bonus point

Post by George Carlin on Sun 24 Jan 2016, 6:32 am

I would offer 2 TBPs - one if you score 4 tries and one if you score 3 more tries than your opponents. Add to the LBP and you could get 3 points from one ludicrously entertaining game which your side ultimately lost.

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