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South Africa vs England ODI Series

Post by VTR on Wed 03 Feb 2016, 12:45 pm

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1st ODI: South Africa v England Bloemfontein on Feb 3, 2016

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2nd ODI: South Africa v England at Port Elizabeth on Feb 6, 2016

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3rd ODI: South Africa v England at Centurion on Feb 9, 2016

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4th ODI: South Africa v England at Johannesburg on Feb 12, 2016

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5th ODI: South Africa v England at Cape Town on Feb 14, 2016

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Post by Hibbz on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 3:39 pm

De Kochs out and South Africa win the toss.

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Re: South Africa vs England ODI Series

Post by VTR on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 3:42 pm

Olly wrote:
Mat wrote:
Olly wrote:First T20 today

Expecting this side

Roy, Hales, Vince, Morgan, Buttler, Billings, Ali, Rashid, Willey, Jordan, Topley

No Root, Olly?

Give him a rest for the rest of this tour I reckon. See what we have in Vince

I think England need to play what they think will be their starting World T20 line up in both of these games. This is it before the tournament isn't it?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 3:49 pm

I thought we had a couple of warm up games in Bangladesh before the tournament? Might be mistaken tho

Team is the same as the final ODI except Jordan in for Broad
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Post by VTR on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 3:53 pm

Olly wrote:I thought we had a couple of warm up games in Bangladesh before the tournament? Might be mistaken tho

Team is the same as the final ODI except Jordan in for Broad

There are probably a couple of warm ups, not sure exactly what conversely they might prefer to experiment in those than in these full competitive games. Seems Morgan has confirmed as much about this match, and yes our strongest XI does contain Chris Jordan!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 4:01 pm

Well they may try the three spinners with Dawson in one of those warm ups


Guess we'll have to see

De Kock is out of this one with a niggle
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 4:54 pm

1. This is absolute Poopie from England
2. Why is Chris Jordan batting ahead of David Willey?
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 5:12 pm

Ok why is David willey - one of the most destructive opening batsmen in county t20 cricket coming in at 10?
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 5:18 pm

Poor Jos now being starved of the strike ffs
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Post by jimbohammers on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 5:23 pm

Note to anyone coming into the side, don't get man of the series, you will be dropped...

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Post by VTR on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 5:51 pm

I don't think anyone is in danger of being man of the series at this rate!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 6:22 pm

Think we're about 20 short - pitch isn't the easiest to time the ball on

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 7:04 pm

England have bowled well, given ourselves an outside shot

Saffers need 21 off 2
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 7:15 pm

So Reece Topley dropped Morris, now has served up two full tosses in a row to lose the game.

Very poor from him
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 7:18 pm

Jesus Christ topley
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 7:19 pm

Never go full Tufnell
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Post by VTR on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 7:29 pm

Closer than it should have been, but rubbish batting always left it being a struggle

Jordan was England's best player though so I am eating word pie tonight!

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Post by kingraf on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 9:00 pm

Million Dollar Morris is money baby!
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Re: South Africa vs England ODI Series

Post by Pal Joey on Fri 19 Feb 2016, 9:27 pm

So to quickly recap:

England hit the ground running in this series and seemed full of confidence going into the first couple of matches - winning both.

SA, on the other hand, were in disarray.

However, those forced changes "swung" the momentum back their way after the 3rd match. A new potential star is born in the process.
They then continued to back themselves, performed well, got the psychological upper hand - and finished very strongly to win the series.

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Re: South Africa vs England ODI Series

Post by guildfordbat on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 12:26 pm

alfie wrote:They say a week is a long time in politics ...but it has nothing on a couple of ODIs on cricket discussion boards Smile

After the first two matches in this series , England were a wonderfully talented group of dynamic young players and it was obvious that only pig headed officialdom which failed to pick them all earlier had held England back in the Workd Cup etc etc...new world order , poised for success in 2019...

Two losses to a good team (1 of them by a single wicket) and they are mostly rubbish Smile

I didn't totally buy the first proposition and I am certainly not buying
the second.  Like the Test team , this is a developing team , with a lot of promise.  As Bayliss says , they are getting experience into a number of young players , and finding out who are the top 15-20 as they go.
It's a work in progress.  Mostly they're good to watch.  I think they're going to lose today ; but the tour has still has had plenty of good points and even a disappointing finish shouldn't cause us to despair.

On to the t20s now but it's not just us, Alfie!

An interview has just been shown on UK Sky in which Chris Jordan was introduced as ''the pick of the bowlers in Cape Town'' and asked for ''the key components about being a death bowler''. To be fair, I don't think it was VTR doing the interview. Wink

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Post by jimbohammers on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 12:42 pm

Jason Roy fails again...

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 12:49 pm

jimbohammers wrote:Jason Roy fails again...

... wild shot. I wouldn't give up on him at all but he looks badly in need of a break.

Meanwhile, Rabada looks more and more like the business.

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Post by jimbohammers on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 12:52 pm

Hi Guildford, he's averaging 13 and he's had quite a few chances now... I like him but not convinced he's an opener! I'd like to see him in the middle order

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Post by alfie on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 1:01 pm

guildfordbat wrote:
jimbohammers wrote:Jason Roy fails again...

... wild shot. I wouldn't give up on him at all but he looks badly in need of a break.

Meanwhile, Rabada looks more and more like the business.

Can't really get a break though - unless he's to be replaced as opener for the WC t20. It is in Asia ; so I suppose you could consider Moeen...

Meanwhile Root arrives and immediately demonstrates one of the strange talents of the Very Fine Batsman : he seems to somehow influence previously tight bowlers to welcome him with a string of loose deliveries Smile

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Post by JDizzle on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 1:08 pm

Morgan shouldn't have been ambling the first.

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Post by alfie on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 1:12 pm

That was rather a waste of a wicket.

Introduction of Tahir turned things around very quickly - one way and another. Plenty of batting left though

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 1:19 pm

alfie wrote:
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jimbohammers wrote:Jason Roy fails again...

... wild shot. I wouldn't give up on him at all but he looks badly in need of a break.

Meanwhile, Rabada looks more and more like the business.

Can't really get a break though - unless he's to be replaced as opener for the WC t20.  It is in Asia ; so I suppose you could consider Moeen...

Meanwhile Root arrives and immediately demonstrates one of the strange talents of the Very Fine Batsman : he seems to somehow influence previously tight bowlers to welcome him with a string of loose deliveries Smile

Alfie - I think it's almost 3 weeks after today before England's next game of any sort. If that's right, I would suggest Roy just go away for a week, forget about batting and hopefully come back then in a more relaxed frame of mind. He's currently looking over anxious and is intimidating himself into rash shots too soon in the innings.

I fully accept his form now is not good enough but I'm unconvinced that a temporary stand-in would be a better answer.

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Post by JDizzle on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 1:30 pm

The bad news for Roy is that England aren't short of options at the top of the order (for a change!). Vince, Willey and Ali are all in and around the squad and all have experience of opening in T20 cricket, even if they don't seem to rate Willey's batting at all.

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Post by alfie on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 1:41 pm

Well Morgan seems to have recovered some form at least...didn't look too fluent at first ; but he's hit a few in the middle in the last few overs.
This partnership has set them up for a big total with four to go , surely...

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 1:46 pm

Excellent fifty from Buttler he then hits a wide one to cover good catch by Du Plessis
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 1:48 pm

Well that's unlucky
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Post by alfie on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 1:49 pm

And a freak run out does for Morgan , alas Sad

Rather trims the likely total , I fear. Billings at least gets some time to play...

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 1:52 pm

Hey umpires make a bloody decision on the field
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Post by alfie on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 1:52 pm

Now Stokes gone !

Remarkable turn around and the England innings is disintegrating rapidly...

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 1:53 pm

Now Stokes is out, because we're using reviews even though DRS isn't in play my word
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 1:55 pm

"All that hitting power England have in the middle order has ended up with nothing"

Don't know if you noticed the nye on hundred partnership between buttler and Morgan, Pollock you douche

Won't miss this god awful south african comms team
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Post by alfie on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 1:57 pm

Two overs ago it was looking like 200.

Now they're more likely to be bowled out ...and 180 would be good from here. Some excellent fielding from SA allied to a bit of luck...

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 2:01 pm

Now we're not calling high no balls either, well above waist height and the bum umpires continue to get things wrong
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 2:02 pm

This is impressive even for England
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Post by alfie on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 2:04 pm

Billings selection was a waste of time. Can't blame him for going for it ; but the extra batsman has brought nothing - and now Morgan has just five bowlers to play with.

Still a reasonable score but I think SA will be favourites from here.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 2:07 pm

Eh you gotta go for it, they've just had no luck and hit the ball to fielders - just the way t20's are sometimes

Still a defendable total - maybe not with five bowlers tho
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 2:09 pm

Probably settled the debate about extra batsman or not for the world cup tho - Willey needs to be in the side
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Post by JDizzle on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 2:13 pm

Willey has hardly set the world alight so far, and I remain unconvinced that his bowling will be anything more than cannon fodder in India. I'd probably have him ahead of Billings, just, but who they pick out of those two won't define how they go in the World Cup.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 2:24 pm

Someone tell Topley to stop bowling leg side to AB

Awful first over
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Post by JDizzle on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 2:27 pm

I presume Finn will be fit for the WC? We desperately need him back, a genuine strike bowler.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 2:31 pm

And Chris Jordan is back
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 2:32 pm

JDizzle wrote:I presume Finn will be fit for the WC? We desperately need him back, a genuine strike bowler.

Yep should be - they didn't wanna risk him in these two games
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 2:34 pm

Olly wrote:And Chris Jordan is back

Turns out bowling long hops and half volleys to De Villiers doesn't work
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 2:40 pm

Jordan is a good death bowler - but he really needs to work on his stock ball and consistency
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 2:44 pm

41-0 off 2 overs. Doubt he'll be seen in India in a few weeks
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 21 Feb 2016, 2:47 pm

Bowling hasn't been good but this is outrageous batting tbf
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