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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 09 Feb 2016, 12:48 pm

The ICC have run some poor events in yesteryear but this is already taking the biscuit


No tickets on sale still, reports Delhi are pulling out as a host and Pakistan might not even be allowed to play. Oh and Australia have already announced their squad

But everything is "progressing smoothly" according to the latest ICC press release...

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Tue 09 Feb 2016, 1:39 pm

find it weird that Australia have left out Cameron Boyce, who's been one of their most consistent T20 performers for the last few years. In fact they've given their squad a rather radical overhaul, which is interesting.

As for the organisational issues, I always thought the I in ICC stood for India, but maybe it stands for Incompetent?

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 09 Feb 2016, 5:13 pm

I don't see why this event is played out every two years*. There's too much T20 as it is.

*Although I see the next World T20 after this one isn't until 2020, so that's a positive step.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 10 Feb 2016, 8:12 am

West Indies now threatening to strike over pay

Be a miracle if this goes ahead
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Post by VTR on Wed 10 Feb 2016, 8:24 am

I bet it will go ahead, I wouldn't say it would be a miracle. Now whether its any good and features a Windies B Team, that's another matter!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 10 Feb 2016, 9:08 am

Liam Dawson? Didn't take a single wicket in the t20 blast last year but ok
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Post by jimbohammers on Wed 10 Feb 2016, 10:20 am

Delighted for Liam. Had a great Lions tour recently and has been rewarded for it. A proper all round cricketer.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Wed 10 Feb 2016, 11:14 am

Dawson seems to have leapfrogged Parry based on doing well for the Lions. I can't say I'm tremendously bothered by either option, I don't think Parry is all that good (albeit he did pretty well in the UAE) at international level, so not too fussed he's been left out. Haven't seen much of Dawson but will trust the selectors judgement on that.

Other talking points:

Vince makes it after doing well in the UAE. Good call IMO, looks a good player. I see KP is tweeting about Luke Wright being left out, but really Wright won't score many against good bowling attacks, and hasn't played for England for a while. Perfectly pleased with that decision.

Stokes's tremendous recent form gets him the call-up. Yep.

Billings ahead of Bairstow. Hmm, more torn on this one. Billings did very well in the UAE which probably tipped the balance, but Bairstow is IMO the better batsman and in great form. Having said that, Billings might be the more explosive player. On the fence about this one.

Seam attack. England have gone for four seamers in the squad. Willey and Topley were given. Is Plunkett still injured? I would have liked to have seen him there otherwise. Finn is another natural pick. Final spot has gone to the much maligned Jordan, ahead of Woakes and others (Broad? Wood?). Hmmm. Guess Jordan is picked for his death bowling options, but I'm not all that sold on this one really. Would have preferred Woakes, but maybe England want a yorker specialist in there?

All in all, it's a good squad though, probably only one position I really disagree with, and a couple of other 50-50 calls which I'm not too fussed about. Think there's a really good team in there, and hopefully England can challenge.

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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 10 Feb 2016, 11:27 am

jimbohammers wrote:Delighted for Liam. Had a great Lions tour recently and has been rewarded for it. A proper all round cricketer.

Great is pushing it a bit. Lets face it hes been selected because hes a left arm spinner and not called Samit Patel.
Ultiamtely hes still a guy whos only taken 39 wickets in 73 T20s and averages 15 with the bat. Neither a proper bowler nor an all rounder.
Someone had to fill the spot as third spinner...what happened with Ansari? I know he missed out on the test squad through injury but did they not bump him off on the Lions? Is he still injured? Not that hes anymore a proper bowler.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 10 Feb 2016, 11:31 am

He's injured Goose
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Post by jimbohammers on Wed 10 Feb 2016, 11:58 am

Gooseberry wrote:
jimbohammers wrote:Delighted for Liam. Had a great Lions tour recently and has been rewarded for it. A proper all round cricketer.

Great is pushing it a bit. Lets face it hes been selected because hes a left arm spinner and not called Samit Patel.
Ultiamtely hes still a guy whos only taken 39 wickets in 73 T20s and averages 15 with the bat. Neither a proper bowler nor an all rounder.
Someone had to fill the spot as third spinner...what happened with Ansari? I know he missed out on the test squad through injury but did they not bump him off on the Lions? Is he still injured? Not that hes anymore a proper bowler.

You disagree with Bayliss then, Goose?

11/12/15 Pakistan A v Eng Lions 45*
13/12/15 Pakistan A v Eng Lions 37 and 1-17
16/12/15 Pakistan A v Eng Lions DNB and 1-25
20/01/16 Pakistan A v Eng Lions 29 and 1-42 (10 overs)
22/01/16 Pakistan A v Eng Lions 33 and 3-36
25/01/16 Pakistan A v Eng Lions 41 and 1-44
28/01/16 Pakistan A v Eng Lions 20 and 1-34
30/01/16 Pakistan A v Eng Lions 48 and 2-52

As a middle order batsman...

Who would you have picked in front of him?

I highly doubt he'll be in the starting 11, but he's a good option to have.


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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 10 Feb 2016, 12:21 pm

Whatever happened to Danny Briggs?
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Post by jimbohammers on Wed 10 Feb 2016, 12:25 pm

Moved to Sussex.
Dawson and Crane ahead of him at Hampshire so he left.

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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 10 Feb 2016, 1:19 pm

jimbohammers wrote:
Gooseberry wrote:
jimbohammers wrote:Delighted for Liam. Had a great Lions tour recently and has been rewarded for it. A proper all round cricketer.

Great is pushing it a bit. Lets face it hes been selected because hes a left arm spinner and not called Samit Patel.
Ultiamtely hes still a guy whos only taken 39 wickets in 73 T20s and averages 15 with the bat. Neither a proper bowler nor an all rounder.
Someone had to fill the spot as third spinner...what happened with Ansari? I know he missed out on the test squad through injury but did they not bump him off on the Lions? Is he still injured? Not that hes anymore a proper bowler.

You disagree with Bayliss then, Goose?

11/12/15 Pakistan A v Eng Lions        45*  
13/12/15 Pakistan A v Eng Lions        37    and  1-17
16/12/15 Pakistan A v Eng Lions        DNB   and 1-25
20/01/16 Pakistan A v Eng Lions        29      and 1-42 (10 overs)
22/01/16 Pakistan A v Eng Lions        33      and 3-36
25/01/16 Pakistan A v Eng Lions        41      and 1-44
28/01/16 Pakistan A v Eng Lions        20      and 1-34
30/01/16 Pakistan A v Eng Lions        48      and 2-52

As a middle order batsman...

Who would you have picked in front of him?

I highly doubt he'll be in the starting 11, but he's a good option to have.


I guess you have a different defintion of Great to me. Consistent yes, but theres no mind blowing perforamces in those figures. That they came on Asian pitches though is relevant for sure.
As I made the point above, hes picked because the cupboard is bare and because England are obsesed with having variation. The players who could have been ahead of him are picked (Ali and RAshid), plus Parry (meh) and I asked the question re: Ansari who presumably wouldve been ahead of him pre Lions tour. Now if we are talking great tours what about Malan, 4 50's (3 in the 4 T20s) and a century on the tour...maybe too much of a part time bowler but he has a far better domestic record than Dawson with bat and ball.
When you say "who else would you have picked?" I can only assume you were one of the thousands shouting his name from the rooftops as a must pick for a 15 man squad prior to the announcement?

You have to admit hes not one who was exactly on the radar 6 months ago, and theres nothing in any of those innings to suggest hes a match winner with bat or ball...just another of the sort of bits and pieces players we used to slag England off for picking. Averaging 15 with the bat from 49 T20 innings does not make him a fine all rounder in my mind. Hit form and performed wll on the tour, took his chance, lucked out that the other options just werent there..gets talked up by the guy who picked him for obvious reasons.

I stand by my belief that hes ended up in the squad because England were lookingf or someone to fill a role (we have to have left armers, we have to have 3 bowlers) rather than picking their best 15 players regardless. There is of course some sense in that, we dont want 15 middle order batsmen, but I doubt SA NZ and Aus will bother taking 3 spin options who wouldnt get picked on their batting alone.

Im not saying its a terrible pick, but along with Jordan (yeah but he can catch!) theres some names that make it look like England are struggling to fill a squad with quality despite all the optimism thats come from recent ODI performances. All squads will probably have someone who looks like a seat filler on the plane so its no great drama...but lets just not try and pretend that hes Shane Warne , more Michael Yardy (pre boohoos). *




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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Wed 10 Feb 2016, 1:39 pm

Yardy played an integral part in England's T20 WC win to be fair, if Dawson matches that I'd be over the moon.

I think you're right that England wanted a left-arm spin option in there. Bayliss must have felt Parry wasn't quite good enough from what he saw of him in the UAE - I tend to agree - and so they've taken a bit of a punt on Dawson. Given Ansari's injured, Patel still isn't fit enough (nor ever will be), Briggs has slipped down the pecking order, there aren't all that many options, so I'm happy to trust the selectors judgement on Dawson.

Of course England didn't just "pick the best 15 players regardless", nor will they pick the best XI players when it comes to choosing the starting team. They picked what they felt was the best squad, and will pick the best team. These are important distinctions, since getting the right balance is vital.

Aus have three spin options in their final squad BTW: Agar, Maxwell and Zampa. Funnily enough it's a fairly similar mix to England's: an offie, a leggie and a slow left-arm option. All three decent batsmen, albeit Maxwell is a much better batsman than Moeen Ali (and a significantly less good bowler).

SA will certainly have Duminy, Tahir in their squad, and wouldn't be surprised to see them include another spin option in there. Not sure about NZ.

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Post by guildfordbat on Wed 10 Feb 2016, 6:16 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Yardy played an integral part in England's T20 WC win to be fair, if Dawson matches that I'd be over the moon.

I think you're right that England wanted a left-arm spin option in there. Bayliss must have felt Parry wasn't quite good enough from what he saw of him in the UAE - I tend to agree - and so they've taken a bit of a punt on Dawson. Given Ansari's injured, Patel still isn't fit enough (nor ever will be), Briggs has slipped down the pecking order, there aren't all that many options, so I'm happy to trust the selectors judgement on Dawson.

Of course England didn't just "pick the best 15 players regardless", nor will they pick the best XI players when it comes to choosing the starting team. They picked what they felt was the best squad, and will pick the best team. These are important distinctions, since getting the right balance is vital.


Aus have three spin options in their final squad BTW: Agar, Maxwell and Zampa. Funnily enough it's a fairly similar mix to England's: an offie, a leggie and a slow left-arm option. All three decent batsmen, albeit Maxwell is a much better batsman than Moeen Ali (and a significantly less good bowler).

SA will certainly have Duminy, Tahir in their squad, and wouldn't be surprised to see them include another spin option in there. Not sure about NZ.

Yep, balance always so important in any team game.

I'm probably one of the few here who was around when England won a World Cup half a century ago albeit in a different sport. As our footballers went into that tournament of 1966, manager Alf Ramsey was asked if his choice Jack Charlton was really England's best centre-back. Ramsey looked at the questioner with disdain and replied on the lines, ''Of course he's not but he's the best to play alongside Bobby Moore ''. Ramsey had identified what mattered and was proven to be right.

No great problems for me with this squad.

I haven't seen much of Dawson but if the Lions are to have meaningful significance, you have to back the feedback about Lions players from those in charge. Dawson apparently got top marks and so it seems fair enough for him to be moved up a class. As others have said, there's also a lack of suitable contenders for that spot. Like MfC, I'm not a great fan of Parry - just because he's not good enough to get into Lancs' four day team doesn't make him an international one day specialist. Meanwhile, Surrey are hoping Ansari will be fully ready for the start of the English season but he still was unable to bat or bowl the last time I heard (two weeks ago).

I also think there's a chance that Jimbo might see his man Dawson play rather than just warm the bench. Never rule out a third slow bowler for Indian pitches and, if so, we'll need someone better than Root.

Again like MfC, I'm not amazed by Billings' inclusion but he wouldn't have been my choice. He's always come across to me as rather agricultural. I would have plumped for Bairstow as an additional squad batsman and back-up keeper. Did think Taylor's supporters would have had more to say about Billings or even Vince being preferred over him.

Jordan will need to up his game from the current ODI series but, as I've posted elsewhere, he's got the potential and so I've no objection to his inclusion. Woakes and his supporters may consider him unlucky but I find it hard to visualise him as a Word Cup winner which has to be the aim when getting on the plane. Others may say the same about Jordan but IF (ok, big ''if'') he gets it altogether, I believe there's more chance of him playing a significant role.

I note there were some calls for Wood. Feel fitness concerns for him and also Finn have cost Wood any chance of a squad place. Neither have a great record in the fitness department. Worth taking a punt on one - and Finn was always going to be the first - but reckless to risk both.

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Post by JDizzle on Wed 10 Feb 2016, 8:13 pm

So...

Roy
Hales
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Rashid
Willey
Finn
Topley


Dawson, Vince, Billings, CJ

The only potential changes from that are Dawson in over Topley, which I can't comment on as I the only time I remember seeing Dawson play was when he got a ton (certainly a big score) in the final game of the CC one year, and that was years ago. The benefit of this is batting super deep again so they can just tee off from ball one and three different spinners would be interesting, but they have to have faith in them rather than just playing three spinners because they are in the sub continent.

Or Billings in over a bowler, probably Topley, but 5 bowlers including Stokes and Ali, with Root to muddle through a couple, seems a bowler light.

The obvious observation from that potential team is that is pretty much identical to the ODI team. Which is no surprise to anyone else in world cricket (or most people on this forum), but it is just a shame that the England management couldn't see this earlier than before the last World Cup!

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Post by JDizzle on Wed 10 Feb 2016, 8:17 pm

guildfordbat wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:Yardy played an integral part in England's T20 WC win to be fair, if Dawson matches that I'd be over the moon.

I think you're right that England wanted a left-arm spin option in there. Bayliss must have felt Parry wasn't quite good enough from what he saw of him in the UAE - I tend to agree - and so they've taken a bit of a punt on Dawson. Given Ansari's injured, Patel still isn't fit enough (nor ever will be), Briggs has slipped down the pecking order, there aren't all that many options, so I'm happy to trust the selectors judgement on Dawson.

Of course England didn't just "pick the best 15 players regardless", nor will they pick the best XI players when it comes to choosing the starting team. They picked what they felt was the best squad, and will pick the best team. These are important distinctions, since getting the right balance is vital.


Aus have three spin options in their final squad BTW: Agar, Maxwell and Zampa. Funnily enough it's a fairly similar mix to England's: an offie, a leggie and a slow left-arm option. All three decent batsmen, albeit Maxwell is a much better batsman than Moeen Ali (and a significantly less good bowler).

SA will certainly have Duminy, Tahir in their squad, and wouldn't be surprised to see them include another spin option in there. Not sure about NZ.

Yep, balance always so important in any team game.

I'm probably one of the few here who was around when England won a World Cup half a century ago albeit in a different sport. As our footballers went into that tournament of 1966, manager Alf Ramsey was asked if his choice Jack Charlton was really England's best centre-back. Ramsey looked at the questioner with disdain and replied on the lines, ''Of course he's not but he's the best to play alongside Bobby Moore ''. Ramsey had identified what mattered and was proven to be right.

No great problems for me with this squad.

I haven't seen much of Dawson but if the Lions are to have meaningful significance, you have to back the feedback about Lions players from those in charge. Dawson apparently got top marks and so it seems fair enough for him to be moved up a class. As others have said, there's also a lack of suitable contenders for that spot. Like MfC, I'm not a great fan of Parry - just because he's not good enough to get into Lancs' four day team doesn't make him an international one day specialist. Meanwhile, Surrey are hoping Ansari will be fully ready for the start of the English season but he still was unable to bat or bowl the last time I heard (two weeks ago).

I also think there's a chance that Jimbo might see his man Dawson play rather than just warm the bench. Never rule out a third slow bowler for Indian pitches and, if so, we'll need someone better than Root.

Again like MfC, I'm not amazed by Billings' inclusion but he wouldn't have been my choice. He's always come across to me as rather agricultural. I would have plumped for Bairstow as an additional squad batsman and back-up keeper. Did think Taylor's supporters would have had more to say about Billings or even Vince being preferred over him.

Jordan will need to up his game from the current ODI series but, as I've posted elsewhere, he's got the potential and so I've no objection to his inclusion. Woakes and his supporters may consider him unlucky but I find it hard to visualise him as a Word Cup winner which has to be the aim when getting on the plane. Others may say the same about Jordan but IF (ok, big ''if'') he gets it altogether, I believe there's more chance of him playing a significant role.

I note there were some calls for Wood. Feel fitness concerns for him and also Finn have cost Wood any chance of a squad place. Neither have a great record in the fitness department. Worth taking a punt on one - and Finn was always going to be the first - but reckless to risk both.

Guilty as charged. Taylor has a pretty good T20 record (Ave 35, S/R 117), but I don't think he has ever really nailed down where he should bat in the format and at International level I don't think he is the bloke you want coming in at 4/5 (whereas Vince can do this better, as well as covering opener and three too, so versatility probably comes into his selection over Jay Tay) in a T20. He should definitely be in the ODI side when they play in the Sub Continent, as he is such a good player of spin, but even I can't construct an argument to get him in this squad!

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Post by Gooseberry on Wed 10 Feb 2016, 10:54 pm

Trevor Bayliss wrote:"I haven't actually seen him play a game, I went to one or two of the Lions practices and saw him in the nets.

Erm

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Post by guildfordbat on Thu 11 Feb 2016, 9:31 am

Gooseberry wrote:
Trevor Bayliss wrote:"I haven't actually seen him play a game, I went to one or two of the Lions practices and saw him in the nets.

Erm

I see the press are banging on about this as well. I think we have to be realistic. Bayliss is new to his England job and understandably has had limited time to see players. He should know the type of players required and at this early stage will have to go on feedback from those entrusted to give it.

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 11 Feb 2016, 9:34 am

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Final spot has gone to the much maligned Jordan, ahead of Woakes and others (Broad? Wood?). Hmmm. Guess Jordan is picked for his death bowling options, but I'm not all that sold on this one really. Would have preferred Woakes, but maybe England want a yorker low full toss specialist in there?

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Post by guildfordbat on Thu 11 Feb 2016, 9:42 am

JDizzle wrote:
guildfordbat wrote:

... Did think Taylor's supporters would have had more to say about Billings or even Vince being preferred over him.

...

Guilty as charged. Taylor has a pretty good T20 record (Ave 35, S/R 117), but I don't think he has ever really nailed down where he should bat in the format and at International level I don't think he is the bloke you want coming in at 4/5 (whereas Vince can do this better, as well as covering opener and three too, so versatility probably comes into his selection over Jay Tay) in a T20. He should definitely be in the ODI side when they play in the Sub Continent, as he is such a good player of spin, but even I can't construct an argument to get him in this squad!

That seems a frank and fair appraisal, JD. I don't know if we officially have stand-by players for this World Cup but would assume that Taylor will be there or thereabouts so maybe still a tiny chance of yer man getting on the plane.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Thu 11 Feb 2016, 9:47 am

I think Billings deserves a go - he reminds me a lot of when Buttler first came on the scene - someone with great ball striking ability who needs to be stuck with and given time to develop. I would actually consider having him in the starting XI and going with five bowlers, but appreciate that it will probably be a bench slot for Sam
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Post by VTR on Thu 11 Feb 2016, 10:15 am

LondonTiger wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:Final spot has gone to the much maligned Jordan, ahead of Woakes and others (Broad? Wood?). Hmmm. Guess Jordan is picked for his death bowling options, but I'm not all that sold on this one really. Would have preferred Woakes, but maybe England want a yorker low full toss specialist in there?

fixed that for you.

Ha, nice correction. I know I go on about Jordan a bit, but I do wonder if that super over in the UAE had been a typical Chris Jordan over of mis-directed deliveries, going for his usual economy rate of 8-10, whether he would be in the squad now

England are rank outsiders for this tournament anyway, the ball strikers in the line up are not going to like the lack of pace in the pitches, especially after a whole winter in SA. Semi-finals would be a huge achievement, anything else amazing

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Thu 11 Feb 2016, 10:24 am

Right ho, getting back to a few posts here.

guildford makes some excellent points as usual. I like the Alf Ramsey quote. Worth remembering he also left out one of England's most gifted strikers of all time in Jimmy Greaves during that victorious WC campaign. Of course, his replacement went on to score a hat-trick in the final, so he probably got that one right Wink

So onto the various players mentioned in the discussion.

Jordan. I see guildford's point that in T20 he's more of a potential matchwinner than Woakes, and I think it's a reasonable one. However there's also IMO the problem that he's more likely to lose a match. I think if you do pick Jordan in the XI you almost have to go the six bowler route - made easier by Stokes's fine form, but possibly not the preferred option. I still think England have gone for him because they want the yorker option, which could be very effective against some teams, thinking particularly those whose lower middle-order players are more of the slogger variety such as Pakistan or WI (rather than SA or Aus who have players better suited to dismissing the yorker-gone-slightly-wrong). Considering Finn doesn't really do yorkers, Topley and Stokes are decent at it, Topley a bit better, it makes sense to have that slightly different option (Woakes's death options are more a mix of Topley and Stokes IMO).

Taylor. I don't think he's all that good a T20 player TBH, decent enough at county level, but at international level you need something extra, and I don't think Taylor provides it. A SR of 117 doesn't quite cut it for me. Definitely his weakest form of the game IMO, and I wouldn't have him ahead of Vince, Billings, Bairstow, etc.

Billings. I see Olly's point, and I do think Billings has big potential, but for a WC I'd have marginally preferred Bairstow, especially given his form. Not really fussed either way TBH, and Billings's strong showing in the UAE will undoubtedly have tipped the balance in his favour.

Dawson. I'm with guildford that Bayliss not having seen him bowl in a match doesn't really matter all that much. Bayliss has seen him in the nets, he'll have seen his figures for the Lions, and he'll have certainly talked to the Lions coaches about his attitude (the reports of which seem to be very positive). Basically, Bayliss's thought process will have been the following. I want another spin option in my squad, preferably a left-arm spinner (since there's already a leggie in Rashid and an offie in Moeen, plus Root). What are the options? Ansari? injured. Parry, Patel? Seen enough of them, not good enough. Who's next? Dawson had a good tour for the Lions. Let's ask the coaches what they thought. Very good attitude, seems to have something about him? Great, let's get him in. I don't actually think this will have been all that difficult a call.

On the starting XI. I actually think in T20 you don't necessarily need the six bowling options. In ODIs where bowlers bowl ten each then it's a nice thing to have, but less convinced it's needed in the shorter form. My XI would therefore be:
Roy
Hales
Root
Morgan
Buttler
Billings
Stokes
Moeen
Willey
Rashid
Topley

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Post by guildfordbat on Thu 11 Feb 2016, 11:21 am

Hi MfcC - thanks for your kind comments. Fine post from you too. Btw, I once met Jimmy Greaves. A lovely, lovely man. Anyway back to cricket business.

Possibly it's largely down to personal preference but I like the extra options that a sixth bowler gives to the fielding captain. I appreciate you shouldn't pick your players in anticipation of them failing (copyright Michael Selig Wink ) but it also can be useful to have a safety net. It is of course only 4 overs each but we're going to be in a pickle if one of our five has figures of 0/25 off his first two overs. Even without Jordan in the side, that could still happen - certain bowlers are going to be targeted for particular games and sometimes the opposition batsmen may immediately get on top. I don't think it's unreasonable or feeble hearted to try and cater for that sort of situation.

I would make the further point that it's not as if the batting would be horribly weakened as a result - I see you've currently got Mo, Willey and Rashid at 8. 9. 10. Each of them could comfortably move up one place. They might not even have to if Dawson came in. I wouldn't rule that out but much dependent at this stage upon pitch conditions.

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Post by Gooseberry on Thu 11 Feb 2016, 12:03 pm

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Mad for Chelsea wrote:Final spot has gone to the much maligned Jordan, ahead of Woakes and others (Broad? Wood?). Hmmm. Guess Jordan is picked for his death bowling options, but I'm not all that sold on this one really. Would have preferred Woakes, but maybe England want a yorker low full toss specialist in there?

fixed that for you.

Ha, nice correction. I know I go on about Jordan a bit, but I do wonder if that super over in the UAE had been a typical Chris Jordan over of mis-directed deliveries, going for his usual economy rate of 8-10, whether he would be in the squad now

England are rank outsiders for this tournament anyway, the ball strikers in the line up are not going to like the lack of pace in the pitches, especially after a whole winter in SA. Semi-finals would be a huge achievement, anything else amazing

Whole winter in SA? Did the Pakistan tour not happen? And only a handful of those players have been on the test tour, some were on the Lions tour playing on Asian pitches. Billings and Butters will be getting good experience bench warming in the IPL too. Plus the warm up games. They will be every bit as well cooked as err South Africa (who will have spent more time in South Africa) and Aus and New Zealand who are busy trying to out seam each other. Pakistan may not go, West Indies are in a complete mess.

England have won 5 and tied a T20, including 2-1-0 in the UAE and all against teams you'd have in the favourites bracket. Theyve been playing 50 over cricket in the T20 style too with some success against the top teams.

Not favourites and the squad looks like it lacks real star quality (if you ignore Hales, Root, Buttler) but calling them rank outsiders when they havent been beaten for nearly 2 years is a bit rum.




As for Jordan hes in their as a catching specialist and because for some reason they still beleive hes an all rounder despite never having scored over 40 in a limited overs game of any type.  Or possibly because Broads workload is being managed.


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Post by alfie on Thu 11 Feb 2016, 12:17 pm

Not unhappy with that squad. I know next to nothing of Dawson ; but given his particular skills and the conditions they'll be playing in his selection makes sense. If any of the venues are real dust bowls I like the idea of three (different) spinners and three quicks.
On that point , I am with guildford : sure , as MFC says you can get away with five bowlers in t20 ; but having the options is appealing - and it doesn't really weaken the batting much.

Jordan is perhaps the contentious one : his recent form is not too great and he is definitely only a viable selection in a six bowler attack. But , as MFC implied , he may be a useful "horses for courses" - that is , opponents - selection. And he certainly offers something different in a way that I don't think Woakes really does.

As for the spare keeper : in a way it seems odd to leave out Bairstow when he is in such rare form ; but I think I am happy enough to have him concentrate his efforts on red ball cricket at the moment. Might be he's better occupied in some intensive keeping work pre-season instead of taking part in this - though he may not see it that way ! In any case Billings has shown considerable promise and is capable of doing a job if he actually does manage some game time.

Poor Taylor seems to always be in the wrong place at the wrong time or something : he has not done much wrong but finds himself off the pitch in the fifty over game and now missing out here too...though I am not sure who he could replace for t20 ? Though he might be handy in extreme spinning conditions...

For the XI , I fancy Hales.Roy.Root.Morgan.Buttler. Stokes.Moeen.Rashid.Willey.for nine spots with the last two bowling places swapping around among Finn Topley Jordan and Dawson according to conditions and opposition.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Thu 11 Feb 2016, 12:46 pm

I think we have a really good shot - batting wise Root/Morgan are very good players of spin, Stokes loves slogging spinners too - would worry about Hales/Roy not having enough pace on the ball up the order, but the. Hales did score a 121* in the last t20 World Cup in the subcontinent

Bowling wise is where it will be won and lost for us - can Rashid reproduce his BBL heroics? Wil Finn and co get enough wickets to counter act the runs against? Hard to tell until they play!

But we certainly have a very good shot imo
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Post by VTR on Fri 12 Feb 2016, 3:17 pm

Its a shame England don't have any all-rounders in the squad who can smack a quick 70 then clean up with 6 wickets Shocked

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/959197.html


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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 24 Feb 2016, 6:01 pm

http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-world-twenty20-2016/content/story/975887.html

Two weeks away from the event - first tickets go on sale. What an embarassment the ICC/BCCI are
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 24 Feb 2016, 6:12 pm

The last paragraph in particular is an abomination

Essentially said to the travelling fan, '**** off you're not welcome"
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Post by alfie on Wed 24 Feb 2016, 11:19 pm

Interest in this event seems a bit lower than normally expected (too much cricket around ?)

Just learned that there will be No TV coverage at all in Australia - the free to air networks all passed on it and the pay TV crowd apparently weren't interested either at the price being asked. May also be the case in NZ...

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 8:44 am

Probably because it's one of the most poorly run events ever put together by a governing body so far

Tickets for the semi finals have gone on sale (well lottery system) - only three areas to the side of the wicket are available to the public to get tickets - this is shambolic even by ICC standards! Who has all the other tickets already?!?

It's a shame because previous T20 world cups have been good fun to watch - this one just feels like it's gonna not be noticed
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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 25 Feb 2016, 8:47 am

The conspiracy theorist in me suggests the organisers do not wish to overshadow the main event - being IPL that follows straight after.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 26 Feb 2016, 5:50 pm

Finn ruled out of the tournament with a fresh injury.

With him probably goes our hope - lack of a strike bowler extremely evident now
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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Sat 27 Feb 2016, 9:44 am

surely Plunkett counts as a strike bowler?

Sad to see Finn drop out, but very pleased to see Plunkett back, thought he did very well in the UAE, and his extra pace has the ability to make things happen.

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Post by alfie on Sat 27 Feb 2016, 11:19 am

Finn - Plunkett ... Honestly , may not make too much difference in Asian conditions . All depends on whether or not the batsmen can make big scores.

Finn's injury record is a concern though.

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Post by guildfordbat on Sat 27 Feb 2016, 2:57 pm

alfie wrote:Finn - Plunkett ... Honestly , may not make too much difference in Asian conditions .  All depends on whether or not the batsmen can make big scores.

Finn's injury record is a concern though.

Alfie - yes, I've been harping on about Finn's injury record for a while. It's certainly a concern. He often seems to have a nailed on place when posters give their starting XI but that's ignoring the reality of the situation.

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 29 Feb 2016, 2:34 pm

Olly wrote: only three areas to the side of the wicket are available to the public to get tickets - this is shambolic even by ICC standards! Who has all the other tickets already?!?


Probably Dhoni, he was moaning about not being able to get enough freebies for the last world cup

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 02 Mar 2016, 9:08 pm

So turns out there was a reason why Andre Russell suddenly got good...
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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 03 Mar 2016, 9:37 am

Is this tournament over yet?

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Post by VTR on Thu 03 Mar 2016, 1:36 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Is this tournament over yet?

Yes, England won it, Chris Jordan man of the tournament

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 03 Mar 2016, 4:23 pm

VTR wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Is this tournament over yet?

Yes, England won it, Chris Jordan man of the tournament


Happy to believe fact 1.

Not so sure about fact 2.

But with fact 3 I know you are pulling my plonker.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Thu 03 Mar 2016, 4:39 pm

he took two brilliant catches in the final Very Happy

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 03 Mar 2016, 7:41 pm

Ah yes, the playing as a specialist fielder role.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Thu 03 Mar 2016, 10:57 pm

hey Paul Collingwood captained the side to T20 glory playing basically as a specialist fielder (and a pretty d@mn good one at that!). Barely scored a run throughout the tournament IIRC apart from a couple of lusty blows in the final when the game was pretty much won already Very Happy

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Post by VTR on Fri 04 Mar 2016, 11:53 am

T20 is the ideal format for a specialist fielder. If the top 5 don't get the runs its unlikely anyone lower down would have much time to make that much difference so that leaves room for 5 bowlers and a specialist fielder.

If you've also got the extra string to your bow that you once randomly bowled a good over and hit a couple of sixes then its hard to leave a player like that out

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Post by JDizzle on Fri 04 Mar 2016, 7:13 pm

Steve Smith 6 off 17. What has happened there?!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Fri 04 Mar 2016, 9:53 pm

Genuinely one of the worst t20 innings I've ever seen
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