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Post by Crimey on Wed 02 Mar 2016, 8:54 pm

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This would be a huge day for Leicester if it stays like it is.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:22 pm

He's been terrible for getting the two big decisions absolutely spot on.

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Post by compelling and rich on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:22 pm

not much in that one

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:22 pm

That one wasn't a penalty
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Post by Ent on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:23 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:He's been terrible for getting the two big decisions absolutely spot on.

Vardys dive was an easy decision - he got 3 penalties wrong.

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Post by compelling and rich on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:23 pm

yeah first major mistake really

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Post by NickisBHAFC on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:23 pm

Yes Leciester!

What a game, what a season. What a football club!

Cresswell what a strike, should be England's left back.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:24 pm

Weak refereeing, bowing to the pressure.

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Post by Ent on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:24 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Weak refereeing, bowing to the pressure.

Thought he got the big decisions spot on...

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:25 pm

He got the two big decisions against Leicester right then ruined it with a shocker.

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Post by Ent on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:26 pm

Just some anti Leicester sentiment really, good to see.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:27 pm

It's not anti Leicester sentiment at all, everyone wants to see them win but you seem to be of the opinion that decisions can't go against them.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:28 pm

Can I complain about the ref? Or am I being bitter?

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Post by Ent on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:29 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:It's not anti Leicester sentiment at all, everyone wants to see them win but you seem to be of the opinion that decisions can't go against them.

You seem to think a ref is good for giving decisions against them when really he was poor.

Like I said, nice to see some anti Leicester stuff going on - variety is the spice of life.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:30 pm

Ent being typical as ever. Even gonna mention that Leicester's goal shouldn't have stood for the foul in the box? And the equaliser is never a pen. But it's cos we're no good that these decisions affect us, not incompetence

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Post by Ent on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:30 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Can I complain about the ref? Or am I being bitter?

Loses its effect when you do it after every game Wink

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Post by Ent on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:30 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Ent being typical as ever. Even gonna mention that Leicester's goal shouldn't have stood for the foul in the box? And the equaliser is never a pen. But it's cos we're no good that these decisions affect us, not incompetence

Already said the ref was crap.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:32 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:It's not anti Leicester sentiment at all, everyone wants to see them win but you seem to be of the opinion that decisions can't go against them.

You're spot on HH
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Post by Ent on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:34 pm

Decisions need to be correct, the direction they go in is neither here nor there. There were lots of incorrect decisions today.


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Post by Fernando on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:34 pm

Why is anyone surprised by what Jon Moss does?

I mean really most weeks there is a team complaining at him being incompetent Laugh

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:35 pm

Basically just got scared. No bottle and shouldn't be back in the Prem. All he was doing was levelling it up

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Post by Ent on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:36 pm

Throughout the game he got things wrong, look at Vardys first yellow for example.

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Post by Ent on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:37 pm

Didn't notice the ref warning Huth and Morgan, they can't complain to be fair.

I will say that is definitely a dive from Reid, not moving at much speed and minimal contact.

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Post by JDizzle on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:42 pm

- Vardy dive was definitely a dive. Correct.
- West Ham penalty was a penalty (Reid has milked it though), but you have to be consistent on these things. Seems nonsense that he's been letting them go all game and then suddenly gives one.
- Leicester penalty is soft. Carroll should never give him the opportunity to go down there, but it still isn't a penalty.

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Post by Guest on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 3:56 pm

There was contact, the West Ham player had a hand on Vardy's shoulder then arm.  There may have also been contact with the feet, they were very close.  But it looked like Vardy could have run on and scored but he seemed to launch himself upwards a little into what looked like a dive.  So there was contact but there was nothing in that contact that looked like preventing Vardy from staying on his feet and scoring.  I think as refereeing decisions go it was a defendable yellow card - and not a big deal.  It was only a big deal in the context of the game and in the context of the rest of the season.  Vardy will miss the next game against Swansea.

PS The Referee was behind the action so would not have been able to see the precise nature of the contact (in particular if there was a tanglement of feet) - so he was working on overall shape of the falling over - and this did seem to be dive like.


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Post by Ent on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 4:00 pm

JDizzle wrote:- Vardy dive was definitely a dive. Correct.
- West Ham penalty was a penalty (Reid has milked it though), but you have to be consistent on these things. Seems nonsense that he's been letting them go all game and then suddenly gives one.
- Leicester penalty is soft. Carroll should never give him the opportunity to go down there, but it still isn't a penalty.

They were just all dives plain and simple in my opinion.

It isn't something I agree with but the ref has told huthcand Morgan to stop holding and they've kept doing it. They can't really complain.

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Post by Guest on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 5:00 pm

Very classy post match interview given by Claudio Ranieri:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36067721

He certainly gives the appearance of calm and appreciation of their position and this probably rubs off onto his players.  He focuses on the facts of the game, the now and the future - rather than moaning on the should haves and might haves.

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Post by Guest on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 5:39 pm

Arsenal 1-1 Crystal Palace - Bolasie

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Post by Ent on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 5:40 pm

Cechs dropped that in.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 5:56 pm

One of the most Arsenal performances ever
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Post by NickisBHAFC on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 5:57 pm

Arsenal following there season script once again. What a boring club.

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Post by Ent on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 6:01 pm

4 points behind both city and arsenal.

Their remaining fixtures look straight forward but they do play each other in the penultimate game.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 6:08 pm

We should be right in that. Ridiculous. 

No idea how you can say Reid dived. He runs and is shoved whilst running at pace. Most importantly, Morgan has fouled him because he shoves him.

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Post by Stella on Sun 17 Apr 2016, 6:16 pm

Not another dodgy penalty decision? Wink

So, we will be seeing a new name on the trophy this season. Tottenham need a point tomorrow, with Leicester having Swansea next plus Everton, who's league form has been patchy.
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Post by Corporalhumblebucket on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 4:23 am

From the highlights it looked like ref completely lost control of the game, though it was initially a good (and brave) decision to book Vardy. Leicester's equalising penalty at the end ridiculously soft - looked to me like the ref capitulated to the pressure of the situation. Could and should have been several other penalties earlier, at least one of them to Leicester.

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Post by Crimey on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 9:06 am

Ent wrote:
GSC wrote:
Ent wrote:Should lose his job by that logic.

A ref is either impartial or he isn't.

Sorry Ent, that is a nonsense comment.

Shall we only recruit referees that hate football. As long as referees are kept clear of games they could be perceived to be biased, then theres no real issue.

It is basically doubting their character, they can either ref games or they can't. I'd have left him on that game, he's a professional.

It isn't really to do with that. I don't think they are doubting the referee's professionalism, they are doubting the football media and fans' ability to acknowledge the referee can be professional. If he had to make a big decision in that game against Tottenham, it would create a furore that is easily avoidable if he's just swapped games. It puts unnecessary focus on the referee.

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Post by Ent on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 10:02 am

However they are the ones creating the media attention by withdrawing him.

Also the fa are not here to bow to the media, they are here to run the game.

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Post by GSC on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 10:37 am

They are withdrawing him to avoid it. Can you imagine if Friend gave that penalty yesterday and pictures emerged of him at a Leicester game for example.

Itd be an absolute ****storm.

They took any and all potential controversy out of it with a sensible move. I really don't get the issue here. To 99% of the world its just a sensible thing to do on multiple levels.
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Post by GSC on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 10:42 am

I mean the FA routinely avoid putting refs in games where fandom may give rise to bias claims. Its only a story now its at the end of the title race.
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Post by Scott is Back on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 10:44 am

GSC wrote:They are withdrawing him to avoid it. Can you imagine if Friend gave that penalty yesterday and pictures emerged of him at a Leicester game for example.

Itd be an absolute ****storm.

They took any and all potential controversy out of it with a sensible move. I really don't get the issue here. To 99% of the world its just a sensible thing to do on multiple levels.

I dont think the problem is the fact he is not refereeing the game, its the way its played out. This could have all been avoided by not allocating him the game in the first place. The fact they give it to him, and then removed him, almost looks like the FA question his integrity, and automatically makes people suspicious.

If he hadnt have been given the game in the first place, nobody would be any wiser for it!

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Post by GSC on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 10:52 am

I would imagine the FA filter out known affiliations (I.e a ref who grew up supporting Newcastle could not ref Newcastle or Sunderland games). As the Spurs "rivalry" is pretty ad hoc, it probably got added last minute. Dunno how long in advance refs get assigned to games tbh.

But still. I really cant see any real reason to be suspicious. The FA are protecting themselves and their refs against accusations of bias,and with the amount gambled on the PL, these things can quickly spiral.
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Post by Fernando on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 11:23 am

When becoming a ref you have to put down clubs you support or have an affiliation to. you'd have thought the FA would have known not to put him on a spurs game tbh with leicester going for the title.

This just opens a big hole up for a lot of complaints tbh in future over ref assignments.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 12:25 pm

He's not a Leicester fan. He's a Bristol City fan. He just went to a Leicester game this year with some friends.

The FA have shown no balls, and it's sad people would actually kick off.

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Post by GSC on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 12:38 pm

I think the FA just took the safe and sensible approach to remove any chance of anything coming out of it. At no cost to anyone.

Its sad the conspiracy theorists are out to try and make something from nothing.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 4:58 pm

Well thats what it is. The FA have bowed down because theyre scared someone will make a big deal out of it. However, a statement about the integrity of their referees would have shown some faith

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Post by Fernando on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 5:01 pm

It was Spurs fans on social media that brought it up in the 1st place.

If you judge a ref on by where they live then your going to run out of refs very quickly for certain games Laugh

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Post by Ent on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 5:15 pm

Vardy charged with improper conduct.

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Post by Fernando on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 7:19 pm

Doesn't surprise me the FA are idiots, What they were expecting him to do when the ref sends him off for diving. He's hardly going to ok you got me. It was hardly the worse reaction to a red card, Chelsea players do worse then that when one of their teammates been sent off.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 7:26 pm

He screamed in his face, aggressively jabbing his finger at him, calling him a f***ing c**t. Whats he supposed to do? Not that.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 7:26 pm

Rugby players don't react like that so it's a crap excuse Nando.

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Post by Fernando on Mon 18 Apr 2016, 7:36 pm

You see players every week swearing at the ref. So just cos he pointed at him he gets an extra game ban. Sure why not.

I suppose we're start seeing more bannings for people going f**k off ref? I doubt it. You either ban the lot or ban no one. It doesn't matter weather he's call the ref a c*nt,W**ker or tells him to f**k off it's still swearing and it's still an red card offence that gets often wrongly overlooked.

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