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Post by Fernando on Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:37 pm

Yas Marina wants for nothing in terms of facilities. If only the same could be said of its track.

Track data: Yas Marina

Lap length 5.554km (3.451 miles)
Grand prix distance 305.355km (189.739 miles)
Lap record (race) 1’40.279 (Sebastian Vettel, 2009)
Fastest lap (any session) 1’38.434 (Lewis Hamilton, 2011, qualifying two)
Tyre compounds See drivers’ choices
2015 Rate the Race 5.25 out of 10
2015 Driver of the Weekend Sergio Perez
Yas Marina track data in full

But the circuit which has the honour of holding this year’s title-deciding race leaves everything to be desired when it comes to challenging the world’s best drivers and cars.

It’s wide, smooth, flat and – aside from a pair of lengthy straights – slow. Whatever brief the track designer was given, showcasing F1 at its best was not it.

“It’s not the most thrilling of tracks,” says master of understatement Daniil Kvyat, “as many of the corners are very similar”. Other drivers have been similarly dismissive of its untaxing, stop-start nature.

The track has produced few riveting races since it first appeared on the calendar in 2009. The surprise outcome of the 2010 title-decider and Sebastian Vettel’s race through the field two years later stick in the mind. But last year’s forgettable finale was more typical of what we’ve come to expect from this venue.

Abu Dhabi’s stable climate means we can discount the possibility of surprising weather changes playing a role in Sunday’s championship finale. But Pirelli’s decision to bring its most aggressive tyre selection could offer the drivers new strategic options this year.

A lap of Yas Marina


From the start line the drivers arrive quickly at turn one. This is the first of many 90-degree corners but is quicker than the rest, typically taken in fourth gear. Accelerating out of the left-hander the drivers approach what passes for the most interesting section on the track – the flat-out sweep through turns two, three and four.
The pit lane entrance joins the track at this point and we have seen some near-misses as drivers blend in with traffic. Fernando Alonso took a punishing ride over the kerbs here in 2013.

As the drivers leave turn four at speed they are quickly upon the next sequence of corners: a slow chicane followed by a hairpin. “You go down the hill, braking into six – very tricky braking turning into six, then straight away into seven,” explains Romain Grosjean. “You need to be well positioned for the hairpin going down the back straight. It’s tricky to get the car to turn.”

Two long straights separated by the turn eight/nine chicane follow. “Again you need to be well positioned between the left and right-hand side corners,” says Grosjean. “Then it’s another straight line on to 11, 12 and 13. It’s a triple chicane and as soon as you exit that part you go flat out then brake for turn 14, which is a 90-degree left-hand side corner.”


Following the tricky curved approach to turn 17 the final sector of the lap involves a sequence of slow bends, most of which are right-angles. “As soon as you go out of 17 you have to brake again for 18,” says Grosjean. Two left-handers lead them beneath the Yas Viceroy hotel, with a “tricky exit” as the cars straighten up ahead of the final pair of bends.
“The second to last corner is good,” comments Grosjean. “It’s high speed in fourth or fifth gear.”

After that the run-off area at the final corner invites drivers to run wide. “The last corner is very tricky,” Grosjean explains. “It’s very wide on the entry phase with the pit lane on the right-hand side. It’s not easy to find a line.”


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Post by Guest on Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:02 am

Hamilton quickest in practice & Rosberg bins it in the wall. Pretty wet, so not much learnt.

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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:00 am

Qualifying.  Farcical as predicted.

The issue is qualifying is subsidiary to the race. Ecclestone is trying to turn qualifying into a separate show. This sort of shows what money can do to a sport. We have seen it in FIFA, IAAF, IOC ...

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Post by lorus59 on Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:28 am

In one word "disaster".

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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:52 am

I kind of liked q1, it was chaos & drivers generally making mistakes & then the stopwatch started counting down & it was generally quite intriguing. As it wore on though, it started becoming a bit of a farce, drivers/teams mis/timing their runs & then the action was basically just watching drivers sit in the pits, while watching themselves being eliminated in the countdown. Q3 should revert back to the original, was just no action whatsoever. Comical that the drivers were weighing themselves & the countdown was still happening because everyone had already stopped watching with 3 minutes still left to go.

As for the result, it was pretty much over in q2, when Hamilton decided he wasn't going to sandbag anymore. Rosberg's hyped momentum has been put to bed.

Pole - Hamilton
Second - Rosberg
Third - Vettel

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Post by GSC on Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:10 am

Mercedes 1-2, somehow they made Qualifying worse.

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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:43 am

Generally happens, when you have a clown in charge of the sport & you make knee-jerk rule changes, three or four weeks before the start of a season. Talks already about reverting back for Bahrain, although as you've said, the bigger picture is that the Mercedes domination looks set to continue for another year. Could save people a lot of time, energy & money, by just giving Lewis his fourth WDC right now.

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Post by dyrewolfe on Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:11 am

Well, not many surprises in terms of results...at least Ferrari look like being able to give Mercedes some problems.

Fantastic qualifying from Toro Rosso. Disappointing that Williams don't seem to have made any progress.

Good to see McLaren can at least make Q2 without too many problems. Progress...but probably not as much as they would have liked.


I actually like the new knockout format...at least for Q1 and Q2, though I'm now appreciating it places a huge extra burden on teams and drivers, as far as timing and track positioning goes.

Agree that Q3 was farcical in that it was over with nearly 3 minutes still on the clock. I think they need to change this session back to the previous format, so we have drivers going for it right to the chequered flag.

My prediction that 90 seconds between knockouts would be too short was proved right, as we got situations where cars would pit as soon as they realised they could not progress and the timer shifted to the next car in line...giving them no time to respond. If they are going to persist with this, they need to lengthen Q1 and Q2 substantially and make the interval at least 2 minutes.

Other than that, not a lot has changed...all it has done is reverse the situation we had before, when all the action would happen in the last few minutes of each session.


Again the spectre of tyre conservation has raised its ugly head. The other reason for minimal running being teams wanting to save as many sets as possible for the race. They should have separate allowances for quali and races, so teams don't feel the need to do this.
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Post by dyrewolfe on Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:15 am

Also thought Lewis' interview afterwards was very telling. He can't be the only driver to feel F1 is in danger of disappearing up its own exhaust pipe, with the ever increasing complexity of the rules and technology.

I think there are a few areas where it would benefit from some retrograde steps.
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Post by sportform on Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:05 pm

Who knew that the new qualifying was going to be awful?

To be honest, I like the idea but only if the cars stay out and for a number of laps and race off each lap.

Most of the trouble with F1 in recent seasons has ben too many gimmicks ie Kers, DRS, soft tyres, hard tyres...
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Post by GSC on Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:13 pm

The biggest problem is its generally a one team sport.
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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:15 pm

Ecclestone has admitted all this fiddling is to prevent the Mercedes getting 1 and 2 in qualifying.  He had given the teams three choices it was this, it was reversing the grid (teams would just drive slowly), or it was to penalise victories - the winner would be given a time penalty in the next qualifying, second place would be given a smaller penalty - with time penalties being sufficient to prevent the winner getting pole.  

It is the equivalent of introducing handicaps to generate a level playing field like in horse racing.  But in that case why have different teams at all - they should all be given the same car.  It would no longer be formula one, it would be something else.

I don't believe Ecclestone was interesting in this type of fiddling when red bull were winning four in a row, Ferrari winning 9 in a row (?), McLaren dominance with Prost and Senna.

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Post by dummy_half on Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:19 pm

Well, that quali system didn't work as planned - several positions (about the 3rd elimination) it's not possible for a driver to set a time, come in and change tyres and then get round to set another time, so there was a flat 3 minutes, and then the end of Q3 was a total non-event. All this just to try and undermine Mercedes dominance. Sorry Bernie, but the best way of managing that is for the other teams to do a better job, perhaps helped by some relaxations of the rules.

If we must have a quali system to mix the field up, how about a 'devil take the hindmost' race on Saturday with the cars starting in the reverse of their finishing order in the previous race. Start behind the safety car and then say 3 to 5 laps before the first elimination, then the last car over the line each lap is out and starts in that position.

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Post by dyrewolfe on Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:35 pm

Nore Staat wrote:Ecclestone has admitted all this fiddling is to prevent the Mercedes getting 1 and 2 in qualifying.  He had given the teams three choices it was this, it was reversing the grid (teams would just drive slowly), or it was to penalise victories - the winner would be given a time penalty in the next qualifying, second place would be given a smaller penalty - with time penalties being sufficient to prevent the winner getting pole.  

It is the equivalent of introducing handicaps to generate a level playing field like in horse racing.  But in that case why have different teams at all - they should all be given the same car.  It would no longer be formula one, it would be something else.

I don't believe Ecclestone was interesting in this type of fiddling when red bull were winning four in a row, Ferrari winning 9 in a row (?), McLaren dominance with Prost and Senna.

Well that worked really well, didn't it? Laugh


What Uncle Bernie doesn't seem to realise is that the engineers who work for the teams are a damn sight cleverer than him and will find ways to make any new changes work best for them.

Historically, the only way to stop a team's dominance is to make major changes to the regs, so that everyone has to radically re-design their cars...roll on 2017...

To be honest, it has been worse. We had 5 years of Ferrari dominance, a couple of seasons where McLaren and Brawn got in on the act, followed by 4 years of Red Bull dominance.

With a bit of perspective 3 seasons of Mercedes "pwnage" doesn't seem so bad.


Sadly, in their quest to "level the playing field", the powers that be have lost sight of what made F1 a great sport to begin with.

In a word - INNOVATION.

Because there is so much focus on restricting what designers are allowed to do, teams have very little room for manouevre and anyone who can find loopholes in the regs to exploit is going to have a big edge over everyone else (until / unless that loophole is closed).

The best way to really level the playing field would be to give much more freedom in designing the cars, so the smaller teams could find cheaper alternative ways of doing things.

For example, the engines and hybrid systems are the single biggest cost. Instead of ruling that they must be designed a certain way with X horsepower from the internal combustion engine and Y kilowatts from the hybrid system, why not just state that a certain percentage of the car's power must come from recovered energy and let the teams decide how they want to do that?

Same thing with aero...but just state a maximum total surface area for all wings and other aero components.


Okay greater freedom of design could also lead to increased costs, but as a counter to that I would also make the cars simpler.

Do away with DRS for starters. Just make an ERS boost available to assist overtaking.
Do away with multiple engine modes. You get quali and race modes - thats it.
Do away with launch control / start assist. Make it purely down to the driver.

Basically do away with most of the stuff that causes steering wheels to look like games consoles. It should be possible to reduce all REALLY necessary functions down to about half a dozen buttons / switches.

I would also do away with the idiotic proliferation of tyre compounds. All they should need are slicks, inters and wets. Just one standard compound. Maybe, at a push, a separate allocation of softer tyres purely for qualifying.
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Post by Jermaine2015 on Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:27 pm

2014-2016 will go down as the worst era in modern F1. Given a few years most people will forget these drab seasons.

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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:54 pm

Obviously not a great era, but it can't just be discounted or forgotten about. Not sure you understand F1, it's a sport, that's lends itself to being dominated by one team for two, three or four seasons at a time, until a regulation change occurs. Just look at the constructors history. It's no different to Vettel's drab era & in particular 2011, which was beyond awful or the dire Schumacher years.

As for the season, I'm not going to write it off. Let's at least view a race.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:20 pm

Well I did feel the new qualifying format was a big mistake and it looks like it will be binned for the next race.

However, as has been posted up here earlier the qualifying is merely an attempt to alter the power held be Mercedes and that is just wrong in my opinion. Ferrari were dominant in the Schumacher era, Vettel was in the Red Bull but never once did they resort to trying to alter qualifying as a result.

Qualifying serves one purpose and always has - to form the grid with the fastest cars at the front down to the slowest at the back. Trying to manufacture the grid is a very dangerous road to go down and is just plain wrong. If the FIA want a more competitive F1 then change the dynamics of the cars/the engines in a big way and let the team that copes with change the best to benefit even if that is Mercedes again,

I still feel that teams need more freedom to innovate. The FIA should allow each team one form of innovation be it in adding aerodynamic parts to the wing/the bodywork or design of the car or floor - just one though with the rest of the car having to stick to the guidelines. I reckon that would shake things up a bit.
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Post by Guest on Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:42 pm

The problem with many of the tracks, and the cars, is that it is impossible to overtake.  Example being Monaco.  Often it is the qualifying position that determines the result, with overtaking only occurring as a result of differing strategies over pit stops.   Lewis Hamilton lost last years Monaco Grand Prix due to a mix up in a precautionary pit stop during a safety car incident.  It left many onlookers feeling bad because it was clear that the best driver / car combination did not win.  If Bernie fiddles with the qualifying then in many races the best driver / car combination won't win because of being held up by slower cars.  

This will result in races being boring as well as unfair - and there is no greater turn off of a sport if it is deemed to be unfair.  At least with Mercedes there is fair competition between the two drivers.  Vettel at Ferrari and Vettel at Red Bull was / is demonstrably significantly better than his co-driver.

The only fair approach is to allow greater development to the car during the season.  Otherwise scrap F1 all together and replace it with same car racing (Ferraris or Porsche).

Formula one is dangerous.  Last year Jules Bianchi died.

ps: Tyres are now designed to degrade & being stuck behind a slower car causes the tyres to degrade more. Drivers have only a small window to overtake. A combination of track width, racing lines, car design, tyre degradation has made overtaking more difficult. When Hamilton was starting out he received numerous penalties because he was deemed to be too rough / dangerous in his attempts to overtake.

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 20, 2016 2:19 am

Hilarious.  After the farce that was the qualifying, it turns out a new rule change regarding the clutch reveals Mercedes is behind the curve.  At the start Hamilton drops to sixth and Rosberg drops to third.  Ferrari's clutch gives them the advantage and they launch themselves into first and second place off the starting line.

Difficulty / impossibility of passing means Hamilton's race is effectively over and it is a question of damage limitation.

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 20, 2016 2:44 am

Big crash and red flag. Huge crash as Alonso tried to overtake Gutierrez. Overtaking is risky business given limited options for overtaking.

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 20, 2016 4:02 am

Apart from a bad start for both Mercedes, Rosberg had a completely superior race performance to Hamilton.  Seems like Rosberg is continuing from where he left off from last season in terms of race performance.  Raikonnen had an engine failure.  Vettel sort of lost out in the red flag situation.  Alonso says he is happy to be alive and is grateful for the safety features of his car, but is disappointed that he has lost an engine.

Grosjean and the new HaasF1 team are delirious with their sixth place apparently best result or equal best result for the first race of a new team.

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:49 am

Wouldn't really say Rosberg had a massively superior race performance or speed, in reality, he just capitalised on getting a marginally better start & was better positioned all race, in comparison to Lewis. Rosberg also helped by Ferrari's strategy call. Damage limitation for Lewis & grabbing 18 points wil probably feel like a win.

Also a word for Grosjean, top drive. As for Max, great potential, but he thinks he's god's gift & if he continues to moan & act like he's deserving of better treatment from the team over Sainz, then he won't gain many fans.

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Post by dyrewolfe on Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:51 pm

Well, that was a rather "meh" season opener.

Highlights for me were great drives by Grosjean to put Haas in the top 6 on their debut and Ricciardo for putting his Red Bull in 4th. Also enjoyed Palmer's duel with Bottas - nice to see he is happy to get stuck in and not just make up the numbers.

Even though Seb and Kimi got the jump on the Mercedes at the start, I had a feeling I shouldn't get my hopes up of a real upset.

Rosberg did well enough to get past Hamilton at the start and basically just ran his own race from then on. Good recovery by Hamilton after botching his start, but once again we saw the Mercedes loses much of its superiority when it has to follow other cars. Sadly his 2nd place owed more to the differing race strategies of the cars ahead of him, than his driving ability.

Was surprised and annoyed at Verstappen's whining about not being let past his team mate. Bit early in his career to start acting like a prima donna. As his team told him, if he wants the place he has to earn it.

Amazed and hugely relieved Alonso was able to walk away, seemingly without a scratch, from such a massive crash. Never seen a car so utterly destroyed. Kind of surprised he misjudged his overtake on Gutierrez like that.


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The problem with many of the tracks, and the cars, is that it is impossible to overtake.  Example being Monaco.  Often it is the qualifying position that determines the result, with overtaking only occurring as a result of differing strategies over pit stops.   Lewis Hamilton lost last years Monaco Grand Prix due to a mix up in a precautionary pit stop during a safety car incident.


Bad example as Monaco is unique in being one of the oldest and least modified circuits, as well as being notorious regarding overtaking (or the lack of it). Modern street circuits like Singapore and Valencia are nearly as bad, with the only saving grace being that they are wider in many places.

Generally though, purpose-built tracks would be fine, if it weren't for:

1. High-deg tyres
2. High turbulence created by current aerodynamics
3. DRS can be countered with ERS boost.
4. Many modern tracks being reduced to glorified drag strips with huge straights and hairpins (thankyou Hermann Tilke! picard ).

#4 being why many drivers still prefer the older circuits and feel they offer a better driving challenge.

I think a radical rework of the aero regs and reverting to a single tyre type with longer optimum performance, would give drivers more opportunity to push to overtake.

Also, either DRS or ERS needs to be taken out of the equation. Give the drivers just one means of boosting their speed, so they can't use one to cancel out the other and have to be more selective about when they deploy it.
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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:02 am

Fernando Alonso out of the Bahrain GP, on medical grounds.

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Post by dyrewolfe on Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:22 am

John wrote:Fernando Alonso out of the Bahrain GP, on medical grounds.


Just read about that on the BBC. He is also going to undergo further checks before the Chinese GP. Big opportunity for Vandoorne - be interesting to see what he can do with the upgraded engine Alonso was going to run.
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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:56 am

Fractures of the ribs were found according to some scans. Really excited to see Vandoorne, should be in F1 on merit.

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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:08 am

It seems that Alonso has had three near death experiences over the past few years. One was a car going over his cockpit with the wheel narrowly missing his head. Then there was this crash in Australia which even damaged the seat he was sitting in, then there was his crash last year in testing that caused him to lose consciousness with the medical advice not to race in the first few races of last season. One sort of wonders whether Alonso might consider retiring. He is a multi-millionaire - he could live a life of leisure & luxury if he so wished. But I guess these racing drivers have it in their blood to live life on the edge.

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Post by Fernando on Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:53 pm

Updated the OP for Bahrain Ok! not much point making a new thread since on 1st page still.

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Post by dummy_half on Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:59 pm

Will be interesting to see how Vandorne goes - for me, he's the best driver to come out of GP2 since Lewis.

Can't believe the total SNAFU that has happened about qualifying - at present looks like it will be run exactly as per Australia, as Todt essentially vetoed the plan to revert to the previous system (which I thought was OK).

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Post by GSC on Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:39 pm

Id much rather they give everyone one set of quali tyres in Q3, everyone gets 1 lap. Fastest in Q2 goes last so it entices the big guns to ensure a good finish in Q2.

In wet qualifying revert to the 10 minute shootout.
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Post by Fernando on Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:20 pm

It would just be easier to set a minimum amount of laps to do in each session.

Cos then slower,midfield teams will leave it last minute to get a fast track,Faster teams will make use of a quiet track.

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Post by GSC on Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:20 am

I don't see the need to over regulate it. Its doing that which keeps sending F1 in a downwards spiral.

Everyone in the top 10 gets 1 lap to set a time, on tyres they wont use again. Fastest in Q2 goes last, 10th in Q2 goes first. Stuff up your lap, you start down the order.
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Post by Fernando on Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:35 am

the problem is the fia want everyone on track and 1 at a time is dull as fk

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Post by GSC on Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:07 am

One on track is better than none on track.

One lap is much more exciting than getting multiple chances to set a fast lap.
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:57 am

If F1 racing is to remain a sport then there should be no gimmicks.  To make the sport more competitive one has to look at the regulations on the cars themselves and the regulation of their development during and outside of the season.  Ad hoc penalising those producing the fastest cars is stupid and unsporting.   Ad hoc penalising the fastest drivers is stupid.  I don't mind F1 disappearing from our screens - then I can forget about it.  The FIA are a joke.

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Post by dyrewolfe on Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:04 am

The new quali format isn't so bad - they really only need to sort out Q3 to give the teams an incentive to run to the end.

As I've said repeatedly, get the tyres sorted and quali as well as races should improve. The single biggest reason all the teams restrict their running, as much as possible, is to conserve sets of tyres for the race.
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Post by GSC on Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:20 am

I disagree Dyre to be honest. Quali wasn't really a problem before now. Having an extra set of tyres for the race doesn't really change much, the optimum strategy likely remains exactly the same for the majority of races, if not all.
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Post by dyrewolfe on Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:40 am

GSC wrote:I disagree Dyre to be honest. Quali wasn't really a problem before now. Having an extra set of tyres for the race doesn't really change much, the optimum strategy likely remains exactly the same for the majority of races, if not all.

Just saying what the teams say. Why else would they limit running, if not to save tyres? Wink

Optimum strategy for each track is largely down to track characteristics. Only changes if cars qualify out of position or the weather changes. Its also a symptom of the rut F1 has got into regarding the design regs.

Many track designs restrict overtaking and even DRS doesn't always help. Aero creates turbulence that makes it hard to follow other cars. The new engine / fuel / tyre management ethos rewards being careful more than flat-out racing.


Thats why I hope something comes out of this latest dust-up. Now that the drivers have made their concerns public and Bernie is crying that the power structure he created no longer works in his favour since he and Jean Todt aren't best buddies, surely some major changes have to be made in order to overcome this chaos.


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Post by Trebs on Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:50 am

Didn't they try doing that before, with one attempt at a lap each in around 2005? And they got rid of it as it was hated.

I reckon there could be something in it to be honest for the top 10. 2 mins a lap gives a 20 minute session so doesn't take much longer and we could see drivers ending up out of position. The problem is the changeable conditions though

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Post by dyrewolfe on Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:04 am

Can't remember that far back Trebs - you may be right. Wink

I did say something similar before Australia. I thought 90 seconds between eliminations was too little time, as it equates to roughly 1 lap of a track. I suggested that it needed to be increased to at least 2 minutes, with each session being lengthened to compensate.

As you say, on some tracks, in wet conditions, lap times can be well over the 2 minute mark.

Maybe instead of having a time limit, they should just wait until all cars have completed the lap they are on? Think GSC suggested something along those lines.
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:00 pm

I have a feeling this year Rosberg is going to be dominant.  I think whatever he was lacking before he has now overcome.  Hamilton seems a little muted.  Perhaps being a three times champion plus his celebrity lifestyle has taken a little from him.

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Post by Jermaine2015 on Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:46 pm

Slow and steady Jenson Button stinking out the joint yet again. McLaren's decision to retain Button in place of Stoffel seems idiotic. Button is the worst world champion in history

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Post by Guest on Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:57 pm

Nore Staat wrote:I have a feeling this year Rosberg is going to be dominant.  I think whatever he was lacking before he has now overcome.  Hamilton seems a little muted.  Perhaps being a three times champion plus his celebrity lifestyle has taken a little from him.

You were saying.....

Hamilton pole thumbsup

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Post by Fernando on Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:09 pm

And as constantly remind ppl when Nico gets pole John....

Points aren't given out for qualifying Hug

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Post by GSC on Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:18 am

Todt and Bernie again overrule dumping this qualifying format.

In a nutshell, this is why F1 is headed for the toilet.
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Post by Fernando on Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:58 am

We're moving to a 2 lap aggregate system by sounds of things.

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I quite like the Formula E qualifying - Groups of 5 then the top people contest the top 5 shootout

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Post by GSC on Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:11 am

What a crock of ****
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Post by Fernando on Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:13 am

I can see why they doing it.

1) Has everyone doing laps on track not just sat in the pit
2) If you f**k up one lap you gotta do a 3rd.

So shall be interesting to see how it works can't be any worse then this one.

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Post by GSC on Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:19 am

Maybe we can try using the format that wasn't broken to begin with. Of course we'll have to trial a format where you do 2 aggregate laps, but you do the 2nd lap in reverse first.
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