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Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by EWT Spoons on Wed 30 Mar 2016, 9:53 am

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Edinburgh Rugby   v   Zebre Rugby
Friday 1st April 2016, KO 19:35
BT Murrayfield
TV: BBC Alba

Edinburgh Form
Last 3 Matches
27/3/16 Dragons 15 - 16 Edinburgh
4/3/16 Edinburgh 23 - 28 Connacht
28/2/16 Edinburgh 24 - 23 Scarlets

Zebre Form
Last 3 Matches
25/3/16 Munster 47 - 0 Zebre
4/3/16 Ulster 32 - 0 Zebre
28/2/16 Zebre       10 - 27      Leinster

Teams
Edinburgh
Edinburgh Rugby v Zebre, Friday 1 April, kick-off 7.35pm, BT Murrayfield

15                  KINGHORN Blair
14                  HOYLAND Damien
13                  ALLEN Michael
12                  BURLEIGH Phillip
11                  BROWN Tom
10                  TOVEY Jason
9                     KENNEDY Sean


1                     DICKINSON Alasdair
2                     FORD Ross
3                     NEL WP
4                     BRESLER Anton
5                     TOOLIS Ben
6                     COMAN Michael (C)
7                     WATSON Hamish
8                     DU PREEZ Cornell

Substitutes

16                  MCINALLY Stuart
17                  DELL Allan
18                  ANDRESS John
19                  TOOLIS Alex
20                  BRADBURY Magnus
21                  HIDALGO-CLYNE Sam
22                  DEAN Chris
23                  HELU Will

Zebre
15 Kayle Van Zyl
14 Ulrich Beyers
13 Tommaso Boni*
12 Matteo Pratichetti
11 Leonardo Sarto*
10 Kelly Haimona
9 Guglielmo Palazzani

8 Johan Meyer
7 Federico Ruzza*
6 Jean Cook
5 Marco Bortolami
4 Quintin Geldenhuys (cap)
3 Dario Chistolini
2 Oliviero Fabiani
1 Andrea Lovotti*

16 Bruno Postiglioni
17 Guillermo Roan
18 Pietro Ceccarelli
19 Gideon Koegelenberg
20 Emiliano Caffini*
21 Luke Burgess
22 Carlo Canna
23 Giulio Bisegni


Refs & Co
Referee: Leighton Hodges (WRU, 56th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Sam Grove-White, Graeme Ormiston (both SRU)
Citing Commissioner: John Kirk (SRU)
TMO: Charles Samson (SRU)


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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by tigertattie on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:21 pm

Will heluuuuuuuuuuuu

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:22 pm

Looks like we're not getting the BP.

Utterly pathetic!

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:24 pm

Surely...

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by BigGee on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:24 pm

Really good from Hoyland, surely this is the chance

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:26 pm

Last play

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by IanBru on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:26 pm

Olly Murs running the line there.

I don't know who Olly Murs is, really, but I saw him on Comic Relief once...

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:28 pm

Feck me we made that hard work!

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by tigertattie on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:29 pm

Bonus point

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by BigGee on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:29 pm

and finally!

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:29 pm

That's got to be the worst BP win I've ever seen.

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by tigertattie on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:29 pm

Unbelievable Jeff

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by VinceWLB on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:30 pm

Ref really handed that bonus point. Didn't really deserve that for the fact Edinburgh had Andress scrummaging on the tight.

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by RiscaGame on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:31 pm

After the missed kick, we will have Tovey back ta. Shocking Wink

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by TJ on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:32 pm

A bonus point win. Not that we really deserved it.

I have to say I am now beginning to doubt Solomans. Props looked knackered but played almost the whole game. Bradbury looked like he should have been on from the start. SHC brought a lot when he came on and Kennedy looked poor

Tovey - played well. Not the most exciting of 10s but he looked to add something

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by George Carlin on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:32 pm

That's just about the dictionary definition of making things hard for ourselves.

Tovey looked very good indeed and was well worth his MOM award.

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by BigGee on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:35 pm

Well other than the points there were a few positives there.

it took getting dropped to finally spark SHC to life, should have happened many games ago!

Bradbury was as good as we all think he is, a genuine ball carrier, he always makes yards.

McInally is a hooker with a brain, looks for space and tyakes the right option, even if he still needs a bit of throwing practice.

Tovey looks like a proper FH

Toolis mark II is a decent player who needs more game time as well

The bench made a difference today for once!

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:37 pm

Good to see Solomons being honest at least.

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by BigGee on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:38 pm

I forgot Hoyland who also played very well and took both tries well as well as making that crucial turnover at the death. I am sure he will be going on the summer tour

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by VinceWLB on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:40 pm

Will we get Ritchie over Bradbury and Andress over Berghan in the next game? Probably. Edinburgh don't deserve the European tier one tournament with baffling calls like that.

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by IanBru on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:47 pm

tigertattie wrote:Will heluuuuuuuuuuuu

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:48 pm

Looking at the Top 6 and it really is incredibly close.

I suspect we're going to miss out by a win or two which is incredibly frustrating given the number of games this season that we really should have won! Munster at home and Scarlets away being the absolute worst ones.

We're level with Munster with them playing tomorrow and we really need them to get nothing from Leinster.

Ultimately though we're probably going to have to beat Munster away, and I just can't see us doing that.

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by Indyniall on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 9:53 pm

Hang on, Ritchie has done well and he has a big future ahead of him. That said Bradbury looks like the real deal also and quite why we had to wait this long to see it is mind blowing. I wish Coman all the best in Reading with his legendary leadership qualities but we got lucky big time when he limped off injured.

Then there's the other issue, I'm shaking wi rage about the Andress continuing to grace the fair turf of Murrayfield. He is off to Munster in the summer, we don't need to keep being polite about this guy. Why did Simon Berghan get a new contract if he can't get a game infront of this huddy!?!??!?! If you think Berghan is that bad then don't give him a new contract, if you do give him a contract then bloody play him!!!

Tovey was good, nice to see the backline improving.

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 10:04 pm

Indyniall wrote:Hang on, Ritchie has done well and he has a big future ahead of him. That said Bradbury looks like the real deal also and quite why we had to wait this long to see it is mind blowing.

There's no doubting that, but the point here is Bradbury looks absolutely ready for regular gametime now, whereas Ritchie looks like he needs a season or two of conditioning still to grow into his frame.

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by funnyExiledScot on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 10:38 pm

Never again will a bonus point win look so ugly. We were poor. Only a few half decent performances: McInally, Bradbury, SH-C, Tovey, Allan and Hoyland.

We should beat Cardiff at home. Don't see us winning anything else.

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 11:11 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:Never again will a bonus point win look so ugly. We were poor. Only a few half decent performances: McInally,  Bradbury,  SH-C,  Tovey, Allan and Hoyland.

We should beat Cardiff at home. Don't see us winning anything else.

I'm in 2 minds about McInally. He's very good in open play and a broken field - I.e. a loose forward role - but I think he's lacking bulk for the close exchanges and regularly gets driven back if he's running into heavy contact. He's said himself he hasn't changed his physique because he wants to play the same way, but this is one of the few times I think it would be a good idea to put on bulk.

What has happened to Do Preez btw? He's been a shadow of his barnstorming self lately. Once again a victim of playing far too much rugby?

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by funnyExiledScot on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 11:18 pm

I think McInally is pretty useful. His lineouts look dodgy, but everything else is coming on nicely.

Du Preez badly needs a rest. Surely Bradbury gets to start the next game at 8. We can spare Du Preez.

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by Pot Hale on Fri 01 Apr 2016, 11:45 pm

'Bra done good.  Poopie BP win maybe for the fans - but it's a BP win.  Pressure now on Munster big time.  That's what we need in the league.

Good on the Scots to keep turning up and playing to the death.  

There's a bit of me that says 3 Irish, 2 Scottish and 1 Welsh/Italian team in the European Cup next season would be no bad thing all round.

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by EWT Spoons on Sat 02 Apr 2016, 8:13 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:I think McInally is pretty useful. His lineouts look dodgy, but everything else is coming on nicely.

Du Preez badly needs a rest. Surely Bradbury gets to start the next game at 8. We can spare Du Preez.

CDP is probably knackered, but I can't see Solomons resting him in the next game. It would make sense to give him a break and give Bradbury a run out, but with coman likely out, I doubt he'll play Ritchie & Bradbury together, and he seems to rate Ritchie higher.

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 02 Apr 2016, 8:26 am

There's only 3 games left with rest weeks in between, I don't think he'll rest anyone!

We've got 2 weeks to make significant improvements before Leinster.

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by jimbopip on Sat 02 Apr 2016, 8:58 am

Oh my Luvvie brethren. I tried, I really tried.

That was dross.

Utter dross.

Big Gee correctly identified , I was going to say diamonds in the dust but I'll go with, the bits of carrot in the spew of this performance. Some individuals look like they have the ability to be very good ,but fecc me watching that was hard work.

A common thread in the above posts is that certain individuals are looking over played and stale and as a result the whole team is dull and blunt where it should be sharp and incisive. Compare and contrast with the Tombola's 23 for today.

If I wore green wellies and velveteen pantaloons I would be wondering just what it is Solomans does.

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by VinceWLB on Sat 02 Apr 2016, 9:46 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:Never again will a bonus point win look so ugly. We were poor. Only a few half decent performances: McInally,  Bradbury,  SH-C,  Tovey, Allan and Hoyland.

We should beat Cardiff at home. Don't see us winning anything else.

I'm in 2 minds about McInally. He's very good in open play and a broken field - I.e. a loose forward role - but I think he's lacking bulk for the close exchanges and regularly gets driven back if he's running into heavy contact. He's said himself he hasn't changed his physique because he wants to play the same way, but this is one of the few times I think it would be a good idea to put on bulk.

What has happened to Do Preez btw? He's been a shadow of his barnstorming self lately. Once again a victim of playing far too much rugby?

Du Preez was wandering on the wing for most of the game. This has been my major criticism of him, he can switch on and off games, unlike other players who will always gave 100%.

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by 123456789 on Sat 02 Apr 2016, 1:33 pm

The Edinburgh back row ranks are starting to look very strong, with Ritchie and Bradbury coming through as well as Watson, Hardie and Du Preez. All of whom will be "Scottish" next season.

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by Hazel Sapling on Sat 02 Apr 2016, 2:38 pm

CDP needed a break several weeks ago. Losing Denton and Manu for the season, and Solomons being a bad squad manager has done him in. If Sol feels the need to play an older back row player with the youngsters, is Hardie back in time for the next game? 3-4 weeks off should get him back in the right frame of mind.

Edinburgh just could not do it in the first half and the scrum looked out of sorts (the ref did not help). SHC looked better but still not there. If Rosalea can stay healthy when he comes over, he gives the sort of big body in midfield to get go forward ball for a Burleigh or a Weir.

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by Nematode on Sat 02 Apr 2016, 3:24 pm

The only word to sum up that game is wiffy. Edinburgh's gone from being second in the league to struggling to get a bonus point at home to the worst team in the tournament.

I think the main factors are:

1. Over reliance on key players - this was the game to start A Toolis, Berghan, Dell, Mcinally and Bradbury, as well as rest Burleigh. Most players are looking physically tired, but more worryingly, mentally tired. Think about the energy you see when Glasgow win a scrum penalty or score a try, even a turnover. Just not there atm for Edinburgh.

2. Youngsters getting too much game time? I rate Hoyland and Kinghorn but they really are a weakness in defence. They slip off tackles and just aren't where they should be on occasion. Bradbury is an example of a player who is ready for the Pro12, the two aforementioned need a bit more time to develop.

Btw, when anyone sees "Will Helu" just read in the voice of Sean Connery "Will Helu there,..."? Nope? Just me? Ok...

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by EWT Spoons on Sat 02 Apr 2016, 3:58 pm

Nematode wrote:The only word to sum up that game is wiffy. Edinburgh's gone from being second in the league to struggling to get a bonus point at home to the worst team in the tournament.

I think the main factors are:

1. Over reliance on key players - this was the game to start A Toolis, Berghan, Dell, Mcinally and Bradbury, as well as rest Burleigh. Most players are looking physically tired, but more worryingly, mentally tired. Think about the energy you see when Glasgow win a scrum penalty or score a try, even a turnover. Just not there atm for Edinburgh.

2. Youngsters getting too much game time? I rate Hoyland and Kinghorn but they really are a weakness in defence. They slip off tackles and just aren't where they should be on occasion. Bradbury is an example of a player who is ready for the Pro12, the two aforementioned need a bit more time to develop.

Btw, when anyone sees "Will Helu" just read in the voice of Sean Connery "Will Helu there,..."? Nope? Just me? Ok...

1. Agreed, Solomons has no ability or perhaps faith when it comes to rotation. Some of the players looked out on their feet, or that they didn't care at times in the first half. That could be down to being burnt out.

2. Disagree, I can't say I've seen Kinghorn or Hoyland being weak in defence, at least not notably more than their older counterparts. Plus Hoyland managed to score two tries last night. Bradbury is as you say more than ready for the step up.

I tend to read Will Helu in the voice of Robin Williams as Mrs Doubtfire, I can't think of a time Sean Connery has said anything like that, but that could just be me.

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Re: Edinburgh Rugby vs Zebre, Friday 1st April

Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama on Sat 02 Apr 2016, 4:31 pm

EWT Spoons wrote:
Nematode wrote:2. Youngsters getting too much game time? I rate Hoyland and Kinghorn but they really are a weakness in defence. They slip off tackles and just aren't where they should be on occasion. Bradbury is an example of a player who is ready for the Pro12, the two aforementioned need a bit more time to develop.

2. Disagree, I can't say I've seen Kinghorn or Hoyland being weak in defence, at least not notably more than their older counterparts. Plus Hoyland managed to score two tries last night. Bradbury is as you say more than ready for the step up.

Also on 2, worth noting that young players don't get better by playing less rugby....

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