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Post by VTR Fri 1 Apr - 7:31

I thought this now warranted a separate thread. We have a final that not many would have predicted either team would make, and a combination of finalists that probably no-one predicted!

Hoping for a good game but ultimately an England win

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Post by Stella Fri 1 Apr - 9:38

Looks like it should be a high scoring final on paper. Both teams have powerful batting line ups, and have bowling line ups that can ship runs. Hard to call, as is any game in T20, but my mind and heart says England.
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Post by GSC Fri 1 Apr - 9:39

Gut says this lineup is due for a letdown sadly.
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Post by VTR Fri 1 Apr - 9:57

I think both sides have batting line ups that could let them down on the day. We might see a one sided contest. Windies are all or nothing, they mainly try to hit boundaries rather than take singles and twos. If it comes off they win most times but on other days those big shots could go up in the air or find long on for example

England's issue for me is the over-reliance on a couple of players with Morgan in awful form, Hales looking scratchy and Stokes who has never played a significant T20I innings

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Post by Stella Fri 1 Apr - 10:01

Morgan and Hales have proven they can score in this format. I wouldn't be surprised to see one of them make a contribution tomorrow. In fact I'd say we have more match winners than the West Indies.
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Post by VTR Fri 1 Apr - 10:05

I agree with that, it would be nice for Hales and Morgan to step up as Roy/Root/Buttler are not always going to come off

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Post by Gooseberry Fri 1 Apr - 10:34

Id certainly agree theres more quality in depth in England, but then the real superstar of the piece is Chris Gayle. Even though it was others who stepped up to the plate (as Roy per England) in the semi hes still the one. And hopefully England will have a ddifferent tactic for bowling to him in the final.
If you look through the line ups England have more players who perform consistently than the Windies.

I reckon both sides would be happier chasing, it suits their style.

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Post by KP_fan Fri 1 Apr - 18:14

50-50
anybodies game

Gayle is due for a big one after 4 failures
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Post by Duty281 Fri 1 Apr - 18:21

The game is so tight with bookmakers - largely a 10/11 spread on both teams.

England have got more match-winners in their batting, and their bowling and fielding has slowly risen to the required standard - so I give England a very narrow nod.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Fri 1 Apr - 19:10

England have the better more consistent batsmen but as we saw against India, somebody like Simmonds might play a lucky blinder, the death bowling of Stokes and Jordan could be key.

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Post by guildfordbat Fri 1 Apr - 21:20

Duty281 wrote:The game is so tight with bookmakers - largely a 10/11 spread on both teams.

England have got more match-winners in their batting, and their bowling and fielding has slowly risen to the required standard - so I give England a very narrow nod.

Hi Duty - I was at the Oval today where someone said - in apparent seriousness - that he was ''going to bet on both teams to be sure of getting something back!'' Smile

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Fri 1 Apr - 22:10

Technically he's not wrong, if by "getting something back" he means the bookies giving him some money. Problem is, it will be almost surely (in the probability sense of the term, that is, with probability equal to one) less than what he paid them initially Very Happy

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Post by guildfordbat Fri 1 Apr - 22:18

MfC - I think there was a reason we put you in charge of the Duckworth Lewis thread. Very Happy

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 3 Apr - 0:38

This game is literally just whoever turns up and plays better on the day wins - we may have the more match winners in our batting line up, but the west Indies have players with far more t20 experience.

Hoping we get a good pitch 160-170 par type pitch.
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Post by LondonTiger Sun 3 Apr - 9:21

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Technically he's not wrong, if by "getting something back" he means the bookies giving him some money. Problem is, it will be almost surely (in the probability sense of the term, that is, with probability equal to one) less than what he paid them initially Very Happy

I put money on both England and New Zealand (admittedly at different times) in the semi, and with judicious use of cash out options made money on both.

My favourite bet though was Bangladesh at 33-1 to beat India at one point, which I cashed out in the final over at 11-1.



Please note, only gamble what you can afford and you will in the long run lose more than you win.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 3 Apr - 11:27

In the women's final Australia racked up 150 from their 20 overs

Pitch seems to be a good one, outfield is quick too
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 3 Apr - 12:37

18 year old Hailey Matthews potentially played the match winning knock in a T20 final

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 3 Apr - 12:46

5 from 9 needed, what a great chase by the West Indies women - great stuff
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Post by djkbrown2001 Sun 3 Apr - 13:05

Congrats to the ladies. Just go to show that talent can beat money. Australia with their big leagues ,great infrastructure etc and the west indies with only talent and drive beat them.

Sport is such a great and objective leveller .

So under 19 world cup ... won

Women's t20 world cup... won

Mens ... to be won

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Post by djkbrown2001 Sun 3 Apr - 13:06

Mark nicholas said the west indies has no brains . We have won 2 of the 3 icc world tournaments so far this year. Imagine if we had brains?

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Post by alfie Sun 3 Apr - 13:49

Well done West Indies ladies clap

Didn't expect that result.

Pitch looks like a good one - high score needed whoever bats first tonight : given both teams have some excellent chasers I'm not sure what , if anything , will be considered "enough". Which I suppose could lead the first team to overreach ...

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 3 Apr - 14:07

West Indies have won all 6 tosses this tournament

Wonder what the odds on that were
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Post by djkbrown2001 Sun 3 Apr - 14:09

I would have batted if I were Sammy.

Put on 200 and put pressure on england to chase .

Chasing in a final can be high pressured.


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Post by guildfordbat Sun 3 Apr - 14:30

Mr Brown - take your point about chasing in a final can be high pressured but would still have preferred England to chase than set. Particularly with the depth of the England batting. Anyway, we are where we are and off we go ....

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Post by Fernando Sun 3 Apr - 14:38

England 8-2 - Roy goes 2nd ball, Hales got next over.

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Post by alfie Sun 3 Apr - 14:38

So much for the opening pair Sad

Be a nice time for Morgan to find some form...

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Post by KO-KING Sun 3 Apr - 14:41

Long batting, it's not a problem, kindof felt we'd be 3 down for 20 odd

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Post by KO-KING Sun 3 Apr - 14:48

Balls I was right

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Post by Fernando Sun 3 Apr - 14:49

23-3 - Morgan goes for 5

Warne just said he wasn't picking Badree up and next ball gone.

We're choking like a beast Laugh

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 3 Apr - 14:49

Morgan has been quite frankly abysmal with the bat all tournament
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Post by djkbrown2001 Sun 3 Apr - 14:51

Morgan should have dropped himself. Let root captain. Like sammy he is a passenger in the side

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Post by alfie Sun 3 Apr - 14:52

England start a Badreem...

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Post by djkbrown2001 Sun 3 Apr - 14:54

These two are the best in the side. Root and Butler.

We need to get them. They can take it away.

Butler is the perfect foil for root

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Post by guildfordbat Sun 3 Apr - 15:12

Excellent bowling from Badree. Credit to Sammy for keeping him on and cashing in at the time. The subsequent rebuilding has slowed England's run rate. Currently 67/3 at the halfway point of the innings. We'll do well to get 160 from here and I doubt that'll be enough.

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Post by Fernando Sun 3 Apr - 15:17

84-4 - Buttler goes for 36

We're screwed.

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Post by JDizzle Sun 3 Apr - 15:17

Argh. Big wicket that, Buttler was just getting going. Probably our chance of posting 170/180 gone with that wicket.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 3 Apr - 15:18

That buttler wicket is the game you'd think, just starting to get going to
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Post by JDizzle Sun 3 Apr - 15:18

Probably best off just getting rolled for 140 now and hope the Windies get themselves in a mess chasing a smaller score, like against Afghanistan!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 3 Apr - 15:21

Get Willey in next and hope he comes off I reckon
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Post by KO-KING Sun 3 Apr - 15:22

Stokes need to fire

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Post by JDizzle Sun 3 Apr - 15:22

Got to roll the dice and try and smash this Sammy over really.

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Post by djkbrown2001 Sun 3 Apr - 15:22

Come on England fans don't be so negative .

You have the best player in world cricket there and you have stokes

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Post by JDizzle Sun 3 Apr - 15:24

Suliemann Benn does not move gracefully in the outfield.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 3 Apr - 15:25

Joe root is so bloody good
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Post by Fernando Sun 3 Apr - 15:26

You try moving gracefully at his height Laugh

England 103-4 after 13

could get 150-170 tbh if go hard.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sun 3 Apr - 15:28

Don't forget in Stokes we have a man capable of hitting a 150 ball double century, if he gets going he could go big.

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Post by JDizzle Sun 3 Apr - 15:28

He's only two inches taller than Bolt!

Root striking at nearly 160, fastest fifty in a WT20 final and only seven fours...

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Post by KO-KING Sun 3 Apr - 15:28

Should get 180 of we play well

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Post by Fernando Sun 3 Apr - 15:29

110-5 Stokes gone

Was awful way to get out.

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Post by djkbrown2001 Sun 3 Apr - 15:30

We need root. He is looking like he can bat until tomorrow .

He is a class apart in this line up.


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