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Post by KP_fan on Sun 03 Apr 2016, 9:04 pm

That was a remarkable day for West Indian cricket.....won the men's and women's T20 world-cup on the same day and the U19 world cup only 6 weeks back

It is remarkable, heart-warming and sensational...and wipes out any fears we had of cricket being eradicated from the West Indies......in addition to this being a classic tale of triumph over adversities as was evident from the emotional speech of Sammy.

They took hitting, clubbing and tonking the bowling to superhuman levels in semis and then the finals ....the big and strong , muscular power hitters.....from Gayle on top to Brathwaite down at No. 8....cricket was never such a visceral game with such consistency as the West Indians demonstrated in this world cup.

They absolutely don't care for test matches......they don't like even the 50 overs version, the money is all in T20s......and what better place to demonstrate their raw power hitting skills than in the Head quarters of Billion Dollar T20 cricketing industry.

They just played diffrently......but most perfectly for this form of the game

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Post by shivfan on Sun 03 Apr 2016, 9:25 pm

It was an enjoyable day, for a West Indies fan....
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Post by djkbrown2001 on Sun 03 Apr 2016, 10:54 pm

And they did it with unapologetic swagger and unbridled joy.

Just goes to show that real talent can beat resources and financial muscle on the sport field. Sport is objective you can't hide behind subjective measures.


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Post by djkbrown2001 on Sun 03 Apr 2016, 10:57 pm

Very soon other teams will start to copy the west indies power style. The ones and twos not going to make it. It's the 6s and 4s that counts.

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 9:01 am

djkbrown2001 wrote:

Just goes to show that real talent can beat resources and financial muscle on the sport field.  Sport is objective you can't hide behind subjective measures.  


True, they did lose to Afghanistan.

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Post by VTR on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 9:08 am

Its a great achievement but worry for me is it cements the primacy of T20 in the Windies over other forms. Would love to see a strong Windies Test side again but it looks even more unlikely now

Danger is then a domino effect into other nations and in a few years we could be left with The Ashes as the only competitive Test series - I suppose its been good planning in that case to play it every other week over the last couple of years as we'd better get used to it

Anyway, not to rain on your parade, Windies winning the tournament in the unique style that they did is an amazing success story

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 9:22 am

To be fair VTR not everyone can win the world cup every year. Indias failure in the format could help them refocus back to tests, and Australia seem pretty obsessed at the minute with not losing the Ashes again. England not winning it of course means that they can continue to pretend that it doenst matter.
Sri Lanka and Pakistan have become equally rubbish in all formats.

So look we all know its inevitable that the money in T20 will push the sport down that road further and further over the coming decades, but the propossed two tier system has pretty much accepted that sides like the windies have already all but given up on Tests.
That said if someone just makes sure Shane Warne insults Samuels before every test ( and that the board arent stealing all the money) the he at least might actually bother to turn up.

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Post by kingraf on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 9:42 am

T20 is their game. Fair play to them. They're so abhorrent at the other two formats that I do wonder how much of their supremacy is due to the fact that they play mercenary T20 around the world while the rest of the countries best are playing Tests and ODIs.
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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 9:52 am

djkbrown2001 wrote:Very soon other teams will start to copy the  west indies power style.  The ones and twos not going to make it. It's the 6s and 4s that counts.

Which is interesting becasue only a week ago everyone was saying how teams needed to emulate Kholi and Root in mixing proper batsmen with power hitters, and those that can do both will prosper.

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Post by VTR on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 10:00 am

Gooseberry wrote:
djkbrown2001 wrote:Very soon other teams will start to copy the  west indies power style.  The ones and twos not going to make it. It's the 6s and 4s that counts.

Which is interesting becasue only a week ago everyone was saying how teams needed to emulate Kholi and Root in mixing proper batsmen with power hitters, and those that can do both will prosper.

I think something else other teams will be looking to emulate is winning nearly every toss so that they can chase. Increasingly looks like chasing is a massive advantage in T20s as teams are not even intimidated by needing 10-12 per over for the last 10 these days. England benefited in the SA and NZ games from this also

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Post by kingraf on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 10:17 am

On the other hand NZ defended 130-140 in four out of five games. I think if it's a flat pitch you're better off chasing though. We don't know what's a good score anymore so it's bettet to chase I suppose.
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Post by VTR on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 10:41 am

kingraf wrote:On the other hand NZ defended 130-140 in four out of five games. I think if it's a flat pitch you're better off chasing though. We don't know what's a good score anymore so it's bettet to chase I suppose.

Exactly, batsmen don't fear any total now and as long as a side bats deep they can take some pretty big risks and still feel they have a chance. There's no way for example Roy and Hales would blaze 50 odd in the first 2 overs against SA batting first

I even thought yesterday although 19 off the last over sounded a lot it was a bit outdated to think like that as I figured its 4 boundaries in 6 balls (assuming at least one was a six). Teams will actually back themselves to do that nowadays

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Post by KP_fan on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 11:09 am

There are many phenomenon and trends emerging from the WI win:
1) old order changeth yielding place to new.
The money is where the mouth is.
When test cricket is all that was...
WI excelled to make themselves saleable to the counties that offered lucrative contracts....that lasted through early 90s

And then they were list as tests declined and ODIs had no paying customers until T20 franchises came.
And then WI cricketers found again buyers for their skills.
Ad they relished and thrived.
Only team to win 2T20s world cup.

2) just because some of us live "the pristine" form of game , we can't force the majority viewers. Market forces have their own dynamics and they will commercially drive support to the model that sells.

3) we want to spread the game....well where do you think BD and Zim are likely to win some....and Afg and Ire to compete most ?
And where can 4th tier teams like Oman and Uae and Netherlands and Scotland likely t make their breaks
In the T20.
If the game ha to go more global as many aspire it to....it will be in this format.
Test cricket won't die....but will remain limited in interest to about 6 countries or so.

4) and as T20 becomes a wider reaching phenomenon people will see running 2s and 3s is all fine.
But hitting fours and sixes with brute force , across the line even devoid of sweet timing is winning you more ...this visceral side of the game will evolve and dominate more and more.
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Post by kingraf on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 11:40 am

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kingraf wrote:On the other hand NZ defended 130-140 in four out of five games. I think if it's a flat pitch you're better off chasing though. We don't know what's a good score anymore so it's bettet to chase I suppose.

Exactly, batsmen don't fear any total now and as long as a side bats deep they can take some pretty big risks and still feel they have a chance. There's no way for example Roy and Hales would blaze 50 odd in the first 2 overs against SA batting first

I even thought yesterday although 19 off the last over sounded a lot it was a bit outdated to think like that as I figured its 4 boundaries in 6 balls (assuming at least one was a six). Teams will actually back themselves to do that nowadays

I'd disagree here. 19 off the final over is still an achievement of outlier qualities. every now and then a player will pull of the cricketing equivalent of lifting a car to save a baby; Hussey scoring 60 in four overs against Pakistan. Sammy taking Starc apart in the death, but in the main, I'd honestly say even 10-12 in one over is a 50-50 now.... Maybe 40-60
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Post by VTR on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 11:51 am

We're in agreement. I'm not saying it will be done more times that not, but the odds on such a thing are shifting along with the belief set of what is possible e.g. what might have been a 1% chance ten years ago shifts to maybe a 10% chance today

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 1:01 pm

kingraf wrote:
VTR wrote:
kingraf wrote:On the other hand NZ defended 130-140 in four out of five games. I think if it's a flat pitch you're better off chasing though. We don't know what's a good score anymore so it's bettet to chase I suppose.

Exactly, batsmen don't fear any total now and as long as a side bats deep they can take some pretty big risks and still feel they have a chance. There's no way for example Roy and Hales would blaze 50 odd in the first 2 overs against SA batting first

I even thought yesterday although 19 off the last over sounded a lot it was a bit outdated to think like that as I figured its 4 boundaries in 6 balls (assuming at least one was a six). Teams will actually back themselves to do that nowadays

I'd disagree here. 19 off the final over is still an achievement of outlier qualities. every now and then a player will pull of the cricketing equivalent of lifting a car to save a baby; Hussey scoring 60 in four overs against Pakistan. Sammy taking Starc apart in the death, but in the main, I'd honestly say even 10-12 in one over is a 50-50 now.... Maybe 40-60

It was the highest number of runs scored in a final over to win a T20 international. (Although they did get 5 more than required!) Previous record was 23 scored chasing 18 ( so essentially its happened once before ever)
To do it with 2 balls to spare was pretty ridiculous.
Espeicaly by a guy who scored more sixes and more runs in those 4 balls than he had in his previous T20 international career combined.

Sure Stokes fluffed but Braithwaite played the match of his life. After taking 3 for 23 as well he deserved MOM

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Post by guildfordbat on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 2:52 pm

Interesting perhaps to note that only two West Indies players have been named in the ICC's team of the tournament in contrast to four of England's.

Russell and Badree from the Windies; in all the last over excitement, the latter hasn't received on our threads the credit he deserves for his excellent opening spell yesterday.

From England - Buttler, Willey, inevitably Root and the much maligned (by Gooseberry anyway) Roy. Buttler selected solely as a batsman with de Kock keeping.

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 3:18 pm

guildfordbat wrote:Interesting perhaps to note that only two West Indies players have been named in the ICC's team of the tournament in contrast to four of England's.

Russell and Badree from the Windies; in all the last over excitement, the latter hasn't received on our threads the credit he deserves for his excellent opening spell yesterday.

From England - Buttler, Willey, inevitably Root and the much maligned (by Gooseberry anyway) Roy. Buttler selected solely as a batsman with de Kock keeping.

Smauels scored more runs than Roy, and with a not out so at a considerably better average.
He was also MOM in the final, top scorer in the SA game, and gave Gayle the support in his match winnng innings against England.

I assume he didnt make it because the ICC are all Surrey supporters he's such an appalingly graceless arse.

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Post by djkbrown2001 on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 4:22 pm

Men's World T20 XI: Jason Roy (England), Quinton de Kock (South Africa, wicketkeeper), Virat Kohli (India, captain), Joe Root (England), Jos Buttler (England), Shane Watson (Australia), Andre Russell (West Indies), Mitchell Santner (New Zealand), David Willey (England), Samuel Badree (West Indies), Ashish Nehra (India), 12th man -- Mustafizur Rahman (Bangladesh).
Women's T20 XI: Suzie Bates (New Zealand), Charlotte Edwards (England), Meg Lanning (Australia), Stafanie Taylor (West Indies, captain), Sophie Devine (New Zealand), Rachel Priest (New Zealand, wicketkeeper), Deandra Dottin (West Indies), Megan Schutt (Australia), Sune Luus (South Africa), Leigh Kasperek (New Zealand), Anya Shrubsole (England), 12th player -- Anam Amin (Pakistan).

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Post by djkbrown2001 on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 4:26 pm

I think it's a fair team although Jason Roy can't play spin. But root and virat are similar in style. This might be heresey but drop root for a hitter

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Post by shivfan on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 4:44 pm

kingraf wrote:T20 is their game. Fair play to them. They're so abhorrent at the other two formats that I do wonder how much of their supremacy is due to the fact that they play mercenary T20 around the world while the rest of the countries best are playing Tests and ODIs.
A lot...and since T20 cricket is the most important format to spectators in the Caribbean, long may it continue!

However, that said, only half the team was bred on the IPL. The other half were products of the CPL, which is the local T20 competition, where matches are nearly all sold out. This is in contrast with Tests in the Caribbean, where only three Caribbean men and a dog turn up.

When I grew up in Jamaica, we were from a family where there were mainly lovers of Test cricket. Now, the children of the extended family are only interested in football, track and field athletics, and, of course, T20 cricket. Nobody in the extended family watches Tests any more....

That's the reality. The U19 victory was good, but that was in 50-overs cricket. Any players who can make the transition to T20s will do so. The only players playing Tests and ODIs will be the players not good enough to play T20 cricket.

The West Indies T20 side is their A team. The Test team is the B team....
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Post by djkbrown2001 on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 4:52 pm

So true shiv. School boy football gets more spectators than test cricket in the Caribbean. I went to a school boy football match and over 20000 spectators turned up and it was also televised on terrestrial tv.

Test cricket no longer show on terrestrial tv in the Caribbean and apart from Barbados when england plays attendance for test matches rarely exceed 3000.

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Post by KO-KING on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 7:49 pm

For me
XI:
Jason Roy (England)
Quinton De Kock (South Africa)
Virat Kohli (India, captain)
Joe Root (England)
Jos Buttler (England W/K)
Shakib Al Hasan (Bangladesh)
Andre Russell (West Indies)
Mitchell Santner (New Zealand)
David Willey (England)
Mustafizur Rahman (Bangladesh)
Ashish Nehra (India)

Strong Batting first 9, 3 spin options, 4 pace options.

4 English players.. I don't think I've been bias either

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Post by djkbrown2001 on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 7:51 pm

KO KING . No badre?

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Post by KO-KING on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 9:02 pm

To be fair it was him or santner cause I wanted Shakibs batting... And I picked santner cause I found him more entertaining...and he can bat a bit

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Post by djkbrown2001 on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 9:11 pm

Fair enough. But do you need more batting? Looking at the line up the batting more than take care of its self.

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Post by KO-KING on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 9:17 pm

Shakibs yes, Santners no not really, that was pretty much entertainment, but he really took wickets in pitches that suited him and Badree was probably the better bowler, and probably the more deserving given his final performance... If I was being completely objective Badree would prob make it over Santner

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Post by KO-KING on Mon 04 Apr 2016, 9:38 pm

The more I think about it, Badree would probably be better for team balance, especially cause he can bowl in first 6.

2 overs each from Willey Badree and Nehra look great, with Shakib in the middle with mustafizur in the last 8

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Post by djkbrown2001 on Tue 05 Apr 2016, 4:22 am

I hate when people use the word mercenary cricket. That's a derogatory term.

These guys are cricketers. That's their job and their skills. They got paid relatively little by the wicb. So I will not condemn them for securing their future and selling their services to different t20 franchises around the world. It's like a freelance professional or consultant in other professions.

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Post by Gooseberry on Tue 05 Apr 2016, 7:52 am

shivfan wrote:
kingraf wrote:T20 is their game. Fair play to them. They're so abhorrent at the other two formats that I do wonder how much of their supremacy is due to the fact that they play mercenary T20 around the world while the rest of the countries best are playing Tests and ODIs.
A lot...and since T20 cricket is the most important format to spectators in the Caribbean, long may it continue!

However, that said, only half the team was bred on the IPL.  The other half were products of the CPL, which is the local T20 competition, where matches are nearly all sold out.  This is in contrast with Tests in the Caribbean, where only three Caribbean men and a dog turn up.

When I grew up in Jamaica, we were from a family where there were mainly lovers of Test cricket.  Now, the children of the extended family are only interested in football, track and field athletics, and, of course, T20 cricket.  Nobody in the extended family watches Tests any more....

That's the reality. The U19 victory was good, but that was in 50-overs cricket. Any players who can make the transition to T20s will do so. The only players playing Tests and ODIs will be the players not good enough to play T20 cricket.

The West Indies T20 side is their A team.  The Test team is the B team....

Gayle
Bravo
Samuels
Russell
Benn
Sammy

All played tests and ODI prior to T20 international debut. All played T20 internationals pre CPL/IPL.

Products of?

You could argue that the IPL is a product of Chris Gayle, or indeed the rich heritage of the way the West Indians have traditionaly cricket.


That aside yeah its pretty apparent that other forms are increasingly dead to the West Indies board and players. The way the wind is blwoing with the "big boys" at the ICC the two tier system seems increasingly likely and kinda of works for them too. Drop the pretence of sending out sham sides (who only seem to try when its England visiting Whistle ) and the ICC will stop having to pretend it hasnt noticed the WICB board members pocketing much amounts of the cash they get.

The players can earn their money on the international circus, which makes Chris Gayles tax accountant happy and allows the CPL to flourish as something taht actually brings money in to the Islands of its own accord rather than relying on handouts.
Cut back the number of pointless tests which clog up the claender and burn out players from the countries that do still care about the format and want to sustain a proper First Class structure.

Its a massive shame that tests and first class cricket has lost the battle in the West Indies but at least they have regained some genuine pride and interest in cricket and being a cricketer as an ambition for the young.



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Post by djkbrown2001 on Tue 05 Apr 2016, 7:55 am

What do you mean by relying on handouts?


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Post by VTR on Tue 05 Apr 2016, 9:05 am

shivfan wrote:
kingraf wrote:T20 is their game. Fair play to them. They're so abhorrent at the other two formats that I do wonder how much of their supremacy is due to the fact that they play mercenary T20 around the world while the rest of the countries best are playing Tests and ODIs.
A lot...and since T20 cricket is the most important format to spectators in the Caribbean, long may it continue!

However, that said, only half the team was bred on the IPL.  The other half were products of the CPL, which is the local T20 competition, where matches are nearly all sold out.  This is in contrast with Tests in the Caribbean, where only three Caribbean men and a dog turn up.

When I grew up in Jamaica, we were from a family where there were mainly lovers of Test cricket.  Now, the children of the extended family are only interested in football, track and field athletics, and, of course, T20 cricket.  Nobody in the extended family watches Tests any more....

That's the reality. The U19 victory was good, but that was in 50-overs cricket. Any players who can make the transition to T20s will do so. The only players playing Tests and ODIs will be the players not good enough to play T20 cricket.

The West Indies T20 side is their A team.  The Test team is the B team....

Interesting post. I think everyone in cricket has been hoping for the Windies to be strong again, its just happened in a different way than what was hoped for (i.e. strong in Tests again)

It does look like T20 is the future of Windies cricket, though it leaves a bit of a dilemma as to what to do with the Test side as there are some calls to split the islands, but if you did that in T20 there's almost no way those islands would be individually strong enough at international level.

Could we see Windies playing T20 (and probably ODIs) but dropping out of Tests?

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Post by djkbrown2001 on Tue 05 Apr 2016, 10:52 am

Trinidad and Jamaica could put a fairly decent side out in t20 cricket. Would they be world betters ? I do not know? Will they be competitive ?Yes. At one time Barbados in the 70s and 80s Barbados could put out a test side that could beat all other full test nations.

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 05 Apr 2016, 11:28 am

The T20 game doesn't have much of a future, so it would be incredibly careless for the West Indies cricket board to put all their assets on one investment (though it looks sadly inevitable).

T20 is largely propped up by casual, short-term fans, and a wealth of unsustainable funds. Once the casual fans find something new, also inevitable, the money will dribble away and the rich leagues will collapse. The overkill of T20 is already hastening its demise.

In terms of the cycle, T20 is probably at its peak now. The decline is just around the corner.

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Post by djkbrown2001 on Tue 05 Apr 2016, 11:34 am

Duty I do not agree with that view. The t20 game is the most popular forms in cricket mad India and I cannot see that changing anytime soon. Other leagues might collapse but the IPL or whatever it might be called in a few years us here to stay.

After India won the world cup in 1983 the one day game took off in that country. India with its 1.3 billion population and Hugh media market is where the present and future of cricket.

T20 will be around for quite a whlie. Its only replacement might be 10 10.

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 05 Apr 2016, 12:28 pm

T20 isn't a sustainable model. It's built on a casual fan base. Casual fan bases are short-term investments, as eventually such fans will find another thrill. When that happens, T20 will largely collapse - though I imagine the IPL will drag on for a good while.

Test cricket, though it shoots itself in the foot, first-class cricket and the 50 over game will endure, long after T20 has died.

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Post by djkbrown2001 on Tue 05 Apr 2016, 12:38 pm

Don't get me wrong. I love test cricket and I wish west indies was numero uno in test than them being t20 world champions.

But I have to face reality . Test is dead in the Caribbean and in other countries. No doubt the ashes will endure and matches in England will always be attended.

When I look in the stands at various test matches across the world the stands are empty .

Look at County cricket in England. Played to empty stands . This wasn't the case in the 20s up to the 70s. Look at the English t20 games full house at most matches.

Test will survive just like the English county games but to empty stadia and lack of sponsorship.

T20 is where the money is. Follow the money.

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Post by VTR on Tue 05 Apr 2016, 1:50 pm

Got to say that I sadly agree with djk, though I also in part agree with Duty as T20 will reach a growth ceiling at some point and inevitably decline.

Though the outcome of that I would see we then have 3 formats on the decline rather than 2 which would be a very bad situation. Or to put it another way, I don't see interest in T20 waning alongside interest in Tests or FC cricket growing

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Post by LondonTiger on Tue 05 Apr 2016, 5:55 pm

Duty281 wrote:T20 isn't a sustainable model. It's built on a casual fan base. Casual fan bases are short-term investments, as eventually such fans will find another thrill. When that happens, T20 will largely collapse - though I imagine the IPL will drag on for a good while.

The official audit of the franchises a year or so ago showed all (bar one I think) making massive losses. IPL can only survive as long as the owners are willing to run them as a vanity project.

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Post by SimonofSurrey on Tue 05 Apr 2016, 6:34 pm

KO-KING wrote:For me
XI:
Jason Roy (England)
Quinton De Kock (South Africa)
Virat Kohli (India, captain)
Joe Root (England)
Jos Buttler (England W/K)
Shakib Al Hasan (Bangladesh)
Andre Russell (West Indies)
Mitchell Santner (New Zealand)
David Willey (England)
Mustafizur Rahman (Bangladesh)
Ashish Nehra (India)

Strong Batting first 9, 3 spin options, 4 pace options.

4 English players.. I don't think I've been bias either

Even as a diehard Surrey and JR fan, I find his inclusion at the top of a World T20 XI a tad generous ahead of Guptill, based on their respective records and consistency. I would also swap round Root and Kohli at 3 and 4 and give the gloves to De Kock. I saw Buttler play a T20 game for Somerset at the Oval a couple of years ago, when Kieswetter had the gloves, and Buttler was fantastic in the field: quick, strong arm and took a blinding catch on the run.

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Post by KO-KING on Tue 05 Apr 2016, 9:29 pm

Roy scored more runs.. And out performed him in semis.

I never seen Butler field, so i guess de Kock can keep ahead of him

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Re: West Indies Champions in all forms

Post by JDizzle on Tue 05 Apr 2016, 10:27 pm

On a slight tangent, this is a quote from Carlos Brathwaite post final.

https://twitter.com/ESPNcricinfo/status/716950427623940097

Very classy. clap

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Re: West Indies Champions in all forms

Post by guildfordbat on Wed 06 Apr 2016, 3:11 pm

Whilst acknowledging the many and serious problems of the game in the Caribbean, I wouldn't be as quick as some here to write the obituary notice for West Indies test cricket.

The triple T20 success is almost certain to increase interest in that form of the game there. Who is to say where that interest will end? It just might reawaken interest in the longer form as well. I accept it will take more than an increased interest to overcome all the obstacles but it might lead to the start of something much better.

I, at least, hope so.

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Re: West Indies Champions in all forms

Post by alfie on Thu 07 Apr 2016, 3:58 am

guildfordbat wrote:Whilst acknowledging the many and serious problems of the game in the Caribbean, I wouldn't be as quick as some here to write the obituary notice for West Indies test cricket.

The triple T20 success is almost certain to increase interest in that form of the game there. Who is to say where that interest will end? It just might reawaken interest in the longer form as well. I accept it will take more than an increased interest to overcome all the obstacles but it might lead to the start of something much better.

I, at least, hope so.

I'll second that OK

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Re: West Indies Champions in all forms

Post by shivfan on Thu 02 Jun 2016, 6:13 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
Duty281 wrote:T20 isn't a sustainable model. It's built on a casual fan base. Casual fan bases are short-term investments, as eventually such fans will find another thrill. When that happens, T20 will largely collapse - though I imagine the IPL will drag on for a good while.

The official audit of the franchises a year or so ago showed all (bar one I think) making massive losses. IPL can only survive as long as the owners are willing to run them as a vanity project.
I disagree...talking to youngsters in the West Indies, the only cricket they're interested in is T20 cricket. It will continue to thrive as long as stadiums are sold out for these matches. In the CPL, T20 matches are sold out to the point where late spectators have to sit in the aisles!

If you're waiting for T20 cricket to crash and burn, you've got a long wait...while the IPL is the pinnacle, T20 cricket doesn't depend on it to survive, or even thrive. Its spectators are not casual any more....

What I will say, though, is that the success of the West Indies T20 side is probably what's keeping the West Indies together as a viable entity. Without its success, the calls for the dissolution of the West Indies would probably be stronger.
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