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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 11 Feb 2016, 2:49 pm

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Unions are like cops....Everyone hates them until they need one..

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Post by Azzy on Tue 10 May 2016, 12:19 pm

I'm voting to stay in the EU - but when it's announced that we're leaving, we should all hire kilts from Moss Bros, mosey on up to Hadrian's Wall and flash the lot of them, shouting 'THAT'S HOW YOU VOTE IN A REFERENDUM, LOSERS'.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 10 May 2016, 12:37 pm

Azzy wrote:I'm voting to stay in the EU - but when it's announced that we're leaving, we should all hire kilts from Moss Bros, mosey on up to Hadrian's Wall and flash the lot of them, shouting 'THAT'S HOW YOU VOTE IN A REFERENDUM, LOSERS'.

Meanwhile, back at Base in London, your Queen is ready to bow before Empress Merkel as the Empress (replete in her new Black shoulder padded jacket.... one of the million or so various coloured ones she has in her wardrobe) steps down from her transport ship surrounded by her stormtroopers:  
"I have delivered you my Realm, oh Empress.  Look with favour on my people - even yonder uneducated Scots.  We mean to serve and supplicate ourselves to your will."
Merkel passes without a word.... a rasping breath the only sound coming from her as she raises a hand for a force choke.

Que European Anthem and credits......

Oh I can't wait for the sequel!!!! Wink

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Post by Pr4wn on Tue 10 May 2016, 12:39 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Azzy wrote:I'm voting to stay in the EU - but when it's announced that we're leaving, we should all hire kilts from Moss Bros, mosey on up to Hadrian's Wall and flash the lot of them, shouting 'THAT'S HOW YOU VOTE IN A REFERENDUM, LOSERS'.

Meanwhile, back at Base in London, your Queen is ready to bow before Empress Merkel as the Empress (replete in her new Black shoulder padded jacket.... one of the million or so various coloured ones she has in her wardrobe) steps down from her transport ship surrounded by her stormtroopers:  
"I have delivered you my Realm, oh Empress.  Look with favour on my people - even yonder uneducated Scots.  We mean to serve and supplicate ourselves to your will."
Merkel passes without a word.... a rasping breath the only sound coming from her as she raises a hand for a force choke.

Que European Anthem and credits......

Oh I can't wait for the sequel!!!! Wink

FYI everyone, I think this is supposed to be funny.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 10 May 2016, 12:41 pm

No it's deathly serious... but the joke is on those who might think it funny. Wink


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Post by Azzy on Tue 10 May 2016, 12:48 pm

Merkel would look good in an 80s jacket w/shoulder pads.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 10 May 2016, 12:58 pm

She wears them all the time.... green, blue, striped, yellow, orange...... same jacket spray painted a different colour each night...

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue 10 May 2016, 1:00 pm

Trying to decide who's talking more out their backside, Azzy or Secret.....

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 10 May 2016, 1:27 pm

Practice your bow TopHat...you might need it if you want to survive the next decade. Wink
I hear the EU Parliament wants all MEPs to be bowed to from 2018 onwards...so as to create an atmosphere of Chinese-style respect and good manners throughout the Empire.....

Farage will be delighted to hear it but most displeased with you if ever you meet him and refuse. A slave camp in the Hoth system for you, my lad! Laugh


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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 10 May 2016, 2:33 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:What stirred it up?

Granting Scots a referendum rather than telling them to get back in their box and continue to enjoy the luxurious trappings of the Barnett Formula and maybe a few more token devolved powers.

Nope a referendum wasn't even announced or thought of being announced when SNP began winning seats in parliament. IndyRef was announced in 2013 whilst the big leap in support for the SNP came in 2011. And IndyRef has been and gone and we await the surely inevitable fall off in the disappointment of no independence but no it hasn't come yet.
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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Tue 10 May 2016, 2:55 pm

As I see it, the Scottish people by and large don't really like the Conservatives much (who can blame them after Thatcher's policies?) and so voted Labour almost by default under Blair/Brown, despite the fact their policies weren't doing much better for Scotland. Labour got complacent ("who else are they going to vote for?") and the SNP proposed a left-wing alternative, which appealed to the Scottish people. It's silly to say it's all about nationalism and independence, but there's no doubt that the SNP putting Scotland first after decades of neglect/abuse from Westminster helped their popularity.

At least that's how I see it. Basically Cons abandoned Scotland as a lost cause post-Thatcher, Lab thought that meant they were guaranteed their vote, and so did nothing to strengthen it. This creates a power vacuum, and the SNP were able to exploit it.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 10 May 2016, 2:57 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:As I see it, the Scottish people by and large don't really like the Conservatives much (who can blame them after Thatcher's policies?) and so voted Labour almost by default under Blair/Brown, despite the fact their policies weren't doing much better for Scotland. Labour got complacent ("who else are they going to vote for?") and the SNP proposed a left-wing alternative, which appealed to the Scottish people. It's silly to say it's all about nationalism and independence, but there's no doubt that the SNP putting Scotland first after decades of neglect/abuse from Westminster helped their popularity.

At least that's how I see it. Basically Cons abandoned Scotland as a lost cause post-Thatcher, Lab thought that meant they were guaranteed their vote, and so did nothing to strengthen it. This creates a power vacuum, and the SNP were able to exploit it.

Absolutely spot on. thumbsup
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Post by Azzy on Tue 10 May 2016, 3:05 pm

Braveheart was released in 95, the seeds were sewn then.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Tue 10 May 2016, 3:13 pm

Azzy wrote:Braveheart was released in 95, the seeds were sewn then.

Maggie raping Scotland starting in 1979 and going on through the 80s and then Labour lies in the 90s into the 00s. Tories and Labour foolishly thought that power and devotion from voters was eternal but they have found out that isn't the case.
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Post by SecretFly on Tue 10 May 2016, 3:20 pm

Azzy wrote:Braveheart was released in 95, the seeds were sewn then.

Ah, I remember that long, pretty good summer, and Mel and his team just a few miles down the road from me filming most of it.... and the laughs we had going to the film set and keeping a close eye on a portaloo that was out on its own on a bleak hill for the duration.  

We always felt it looked so special - it must be Mel's.  So we kept our eyes on it at all times.  Even as Mel was being drawn and quartered about a hundred yards away, we kept our eyes on the portaloo - afterall, maybe the guy having his entrails burned was just a stand-in....

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Post by Steffan on Wed 11 May 2016, 4:37 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-36269820

Welsh Assembly: Deadlock in vote for first minister

The rise of Plaid Cymru continues Very Happy

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 11 May 2016, 4:40 pm

Steffan wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-36269820

Welsh Assembly: Deadlock in vote for first minister

The rise of Plaid Cymru continues Very Happy

Good to see the Conservatives and UKIP helping Plaid out.

Carwyn Jones is an absolute bumbling fool; the very embodiment of Labour's control in Wales thus far.

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Post by Steffan on Wed 11 May 2016, 4:43 pm

Duty281 wrote:Carwyn Jones is an absolute bumbling fool; the very embodiment of Labour's control in Wales thus far
We finally agree on something political Smile

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Post by Azzy on Wed 11 May 2016, 4:46 pm

Boris did well this morning fending off questions from Piers Morgan such as "did you comb your hair this morning?"

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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 11 May 2016, 5:30 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:As I see it, the Scottish people by and large don't really like the Conservatives much (who can blame them after Thatcher's policies?) and so voted Labour almost by default under Blair/Brown, despite the fact their policies weren't doing much better for Scotland. Labour got complacent ("who else are they going to vote for?") and the SNP proposed a left-wing alternative, which appealed to the Scottish people. It's silly to say it's all about nationalism and independence, but there's no doubt that the SNP putting Scotland first after decades of neglect/abuse from Westminster helped their popularity.

At least that's how I see it. Basically Cons abandoned Scotland as a lost cause post-Thatcher, Lab thought that meant they were guaranteed their vote, and so did nothing to strengthen it. This creates a power vacuum, and the SNP were able to exploit it.
Well said. Give them enough rope though and lets watch them hang themselves. Easy to carp about being hard done by by those toffs in London, much harder to govern and finance all those Utopian ideals...
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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 11 May 2016, 5:35 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
Azzy wrote:Braveheart was released in 95, the seeds were sewn then.

Maggie raping Scotland starting in 1979 and going on through the 80s and then Labour lies in the 90s into the 00s. Tories and Labour foolishly thought that power and devotion from voters was eternal but they have found out that isn't the case.
Remind us all again about that 'raping' would you please? Leave out the 'Poll Tax' as I'll give you that that could be viewed as dumping on Scotland when elsewhere didn't have to deal with it as well. What 'raping' of Scotland actually took place?
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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed 11 May 2016, 5:36 pm

Frrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeedommmmmmm!!!!!!! Braveheart

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Post by Ent on Wed 11 May 2016, 5:52 pm

It's just anti big government, happening all over the place.

Small parties/independents offer fairy tales that are impossible to deliver and get elected in some areas. You then end up with dysfunctional government and nothing ever happens.

Snp will have the same political journey as other parties, won't be long until the people of Scotland start looking at them and blaming them for the state of the country rather than Westminster.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 12 May 2016, 9:03 am

People vote for parties for their own reasons. Dont try to kid me Tory and Labour governmrnts have got in because the public love them. They get in because one is less pathetic than the other or that Joe Public have had enough of a parties lies and incompetence in government. Scottish votes for Tory and Labour now is purely on unionist grounds not on dream-like policies. Just because they have been in existence for so long does not by any means give them the devine right to govern.

So, in short, people vote for Tories and Labour for their own reasons as is the case with SNP voters. However, in recent years many of those Tory and Labour stalwart voters have jumped ship to SNP.

Sure I would wholeheartedly agree it could be a flash in the pan IF they had a mild rise in seats from 5 to 10 for example starting in the last five years or so but the SNP rise has gone far beyond that. Also far beyond any strides Lib Dems have ever managed as a more established party. The SNP hold more seats than Tory and Labour put together in Scotland  - that is much more than just a mere flash in the pan.
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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 12 May 2016, 9:05 am

The SNP do have the advantage of Westminster devolution, in a way many fringe parties don't (think Greens in Brighton) therefore they've the ability to actually make a difference (if capable) rather than being hamstrung.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 12 May 2016, 9:10 am

Comparing LD's pan-UK with SNP in Scotland is entirely spurious.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 12 May 2016, 9:23 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:Comparing LD's pan-UK with SNP in Scotland is entirely spurious.

No matter what you compare it with it is ground-breaking. Labour were to have an iron grip in Scotland for decades with the Tories the opposition - the political landscape in Scotland has changed beyond recognition. And for sll this BS about SNP unable to govern then why were polls showing Scots were pleased with their performance in a number of areas. SNP members pointed this out during the recent election coverage on TV and TOry, Labour and Lib Dem MP's present did not dispute this.
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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 12 May 2016, 9:35 am

Stats already posted showing underperformance.....

Personally I'd give them max tax control and remove the Barnett formula. See how capable they really are at running their affairs.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 12 May 2016, 9:40 am

Well I suggest that underperformance is an improvement on what the previous incumbents managed since polls show Scots as satified with the SNP performance on health, education, finance and law.
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Post by Duty281 on Thu 12 May 2016, 9:45 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:Stats already posted showing underperformance.....

Personally I'd give them max tax control and remove the Barnett formula.  See how capable they really are at running their affairs.

Hear, hear.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 12 May 2016, 9:51 am

CaledonianCraig wrote:Well I suggest that underperformance is an improvement on what the previous incumbents managed since polls show Scots as satified with the SNP performance on health, education, finance and law.

Except it isn't...... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 12 May 2016, 12:49 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Well I suggest that underperformance is an improvement on what the previous incumbents managed since polls show Scots as satified with the SNP performance on health, education, finance and law.

Except it isn't...... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

So it isn't as far as you are concerned but is by majority of Scots.
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Post by superflyweight on Thu 12 May 2016, 1:04 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Well I suggest that underperformance is an improvement on what the previous incumbents managed since polls show Scots as satified with the SNP performance on health, education, finance and law.

Except it isn't...... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

So it isn't as far as you are concerned but is by majority of Scots.

That's incredibly wrong. Can't remember the numbers but turnout for the recent election was just over 50%. SNP gathered around 46% of that vote. Being kind to the SNP - around a quarter of the electorate voted for them.

P.S. before you predictably start comparing that with the vote share of the other parties - your point was about the SNP.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 12 May 2016, 1:20 pm

superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Well I suggest that underperformance is an improvement on what the previous incumbents managed since polls show Scots as satified with the SNP performance on health, education, finance and law.

Except it isn't...... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

So it isn't as far as you are concerned but is by majority of Scots.

That's incredibly wrong.  Can't remember the numbers but turnout for the recent election was just over 50%.  SNP gathered around 46% of that vote.  Being kind to the SNP - around a quarter of the electorate voted for them.  

P.S. before you predictably start comparing that with the vote share of the other parties - your point was about the SNP.  

I am talking of polls where Scots said they were satisfied with SNP's running of education, health, law and legal issues where satisfaction rate was over 50%. Dis-satisfaction was at around 20 to 25% with the rest neither one way or the other. Not quite equating to the SNP doing abysmally does it? And I will say again - lets face it - even TopHat earlier admitted surprise at how Labour done poorly considering how unpopular or poor (I think he said) the Tory government has been. Like I said Tory and Labour are no gifts from the heavens so lets not paint them as such eh? They win elections on the grounds that there is nobody else to vote for. Not because of their wonderful governing.
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Post by superflyweight on Thu 12 May 2016, 1:26 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Well I suggest that underperformance is an improvement on what the previous incumbents managed since polls show Scots as satified with the SNP performance on health, education, finance and law.

Except it isn't...... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

So it isn't as far as you are concerned but is by majority of Scots.

That's incredibly wrong.  Can't remember the numbers but turnout for the recent election was just over 50%.  SNP gathered around 46% of that vote.  Being kind to the SNP - around a quarter of the electorate voted for them.  

P.S. before you predictably start comparing that with the vote share of the other parties - your point was about the SNP.  

I am talking of polls where Scots said they were satisfied with SNP's running of education, health, law and legal issues where satisfaction rate was over 50%. Dis-satisfaction was at around 20 to 25% with the rest neither one way or the other. Not quite equating to the SNP doing abysmally does it? And I will say again - lets face it - even TopHat earlier admitted surprise at how Labour done poorly considering how unpopular or poor (I think he said) the Tory government has been. Like I said Tory and Labour are no gifts from the heavens so lets not paint them as such eh? They win elections on the grounds that there is nobody else to vote for. Not because of their wonderful governing.

and can that assertion not equally be applied to the SNP?

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 12 May 2016, 1:33 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Well I suggest that underperformance is an improvement on what the previous incumbents managed since polls show Scots as satified with the SNP performance on health, education, finance and law.

Except it isn't...... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

So it isn't as far as you are concerned but is by majority of Scots.

No. I'm talking about cold hard facts. Which is what you are in denial over alongside the other knuckle draggers.

Though I leave it to Super to decimate you as it's much better coming from an intelligent successful Scot...

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 12 May 2016, 1:34 pm

superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Well I suggest that underperformance is an improvement on what the previous incumbents managed since polls show Scots as satified with the SNP performance on health, education, finance and law.

Except it isn't...... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

So it isn't as far as you are concerned but is by majority of Scots.

That's incredibly wrong.  Can't remember the numbers but turnout for the recent election was just over 50%.  SNP gathered around 46% of that vote.  Being kind to the SNP - around a quarter of the electorate voted for them.  

P.S. before you predictably start comparing that with the vote share of the other parties - your point was about the SNP.  

I am talking of polls where Scots said they were satisfied with SNP's running of education, health, law and legal issues where satisfaction rate was over 50%. Dis-satisfaction was at around 20 to 25% with the rest neither one way or the other. Not quite equating to the SNP doing abysmally does it? And I will say again - lets face it - even TopHat earlier admitted surprise at how Labour done poorly considering how unpopular or poor (I think he said) the Tory government has been. Like I said Tory and Labour are no gifts from the heavens so lets not paint them as such eh? They win elections on the grounds that there is nobody else to vote for. Not because of their wonderful governing.

and can that assertion not equally be applied to the SNP?

Probably the most spectacular self-collapsing of an argument I've ever seen...... laughing

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Post by superflyweight on Thu 12 May 2016, 1:36 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Well I suggest that underperformance is an improvement on what the previous incumbents managed since polls show Scots as satified with the SNP performance on health, education, finance and law.

Except it isn't...... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

So it isn't as far as you are concerned but is by majority of Scots.

No. I'm talking about cold hard facts.  Which is what you are in denial over alongside the other knuckle draggers.

Though I leave it to Super to decimate you as it's much better coming from an intelligent successful Scot...

I'll go and find one.


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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 12 May 2016, 1:42 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Well I suggest that underperformance is an improvement on what the previous incumbents managed since polls show Scots as satified with the SNP performance on health, education, finance and law.

Except it isn't...... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

So it isn't as far as you are concerned but is by majority of Scots.

That's incredibly wrong.  Can't remember the numbers but turnout for the recent election was just over 50%.  SNP gathered around 46% of that vote.  Being kind to the SNP - around a quarter of the electorate voted for them.  

P.S. before you predictably start comparing that with the vote share of the other parties - your point was about the SNP.  

I am talking of polls where Scots said they were satisfied with SNP's running of education, health, law and legal issues where satisfaction rate was over 50%. Dis-satisfaction was at around 20 to 25% with the rest neither one way or the other. Not quite equating to the SNP doing abysmally does it? And I will say again - lets face it - even TopHat earlier admitted surprise at how Labour done poorly considering how unpopular or poor (I think he said) the Tory government has been. Like I said Tory and Labour are no gifts from the heavens so lets not paint them as such eh? They win elections on the grounds that there is nobody else to vote for. Not because of their wonderful governing.

and can that assertion not equally be applied to the SNP?



Probably the most spectacular self-collapsing of an argument I've ever seen...... laughing

Tory and Labour governments have had probably 100 years each of governing so lets look at that much longer failure in that 100 than a mere 5 years of the SNP. That is what is so mystifying here. It seems posters here see it as fair game that Tories and Labour can screw people over with their failings and it is fine but the knives are out for the SNP who have had a miniscule amount of time in charge.

Sorry folks but posters here openly insulting Scots as thick do themselves no favours whatsoever. Quite pathetic actually.
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Post by superflyweight on Thu 12 May 2016, 1:50 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Well I suggest that underperformance is an improvement on what the previous incumbents managed since polls show Scots as satified with the SNP performance on health, education, finance and law.

Except it isn't...... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

So it isn't as far as you are concerned but is by majority of Scots.

That's incredibly wrong.  Can't remember the numbers but turnout for the recent election was just over 50%.  SNP gathered around 46% of that vote.  Being kind to the SNP - around a quarter of the electorate voted for them.  

P.S. before you predictably start comparing that with the vote share of the other parties - your point was about the SNP.  

I am talking of polls where Scots said they were satisfied with SNP's running of education, health, law and legal issues where satisfaction rate was over 50%. Dis-satisfaction was at around 20 to 25% with the rest neither one way or the other. Not quite equating to the SNP doing abysmally does it? And I will say again - lets face it - even TopHat earlier admitted surprise at how Labour done poorly considering how unpopular or poor (I think he said) the Tory government has been. Like I said Tory and Labour are no gifts from the heavens so lets not paint them as such eh? They win elections on the grounds that there is nobody else to vote for. Not because of their wonderful governing.

and can that assertion not equally be applied to the SNP?



Probably the most spectacular self-collapsing of an argument I've ever seen...... laughing

Tory and Labour governments have had probably 100 years each of governing so lets look at that much longer failure in that 100 than a mere 5 years of the SNP. That is what is so mystifying here. It seems posters here see it as fair game that Tories and Labour can screw people over with their failings and it is fine but the knives are out for the SNP who have had a miniscule amount of time in charge.

Sorry folks but posters here openly insulting Scots as thick do themselves no favours whatsoever. Quite pathetic actually.

Is this Monty Python? What has the UK government ever done for us:

Welfare State
NHS
Minimum / Living Wage
Devolved Powers to Nation States
Relative prosperity
Stable economy
Relatively low taxation
High levels of employment
Prominent presence at world level

Could do with a few more aquaducts I suppose.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Thu 12 May 2016, 1:53 pm

"low taxation" being seen as a good thing is one of the main problems with today's world Run

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Post by superflyweight on Thu 12 May 2016, 1:59 pm

As someone who recently voted in the Scottish elections for a party who were proposing to raise income tax, I don't necessarily disagree.

History has shown though that when it comes to voting the general public prefer to choose a party that isn't going to take more money out of their pockets. Low taxation is popular in the UK - and given the near wipe-out of left leaning parties in Scotland - it looks like its equally popular in Scotland.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 12 May 2016, 2:05 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:"low taxation" being seen as a good thing is one of the main problems with today's world Run

Yes, because high taxation has always been the gateway to prosperity...... Rolling Eyes

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Thu 12 May 2016, 2:08 pm

because "prosperity" is the only worthwhile ambition on earth Rolling Eyes

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 12 May 2016, 2:11 pm

superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Well I suggest that underperformance is an improvement on what the previous incumbents managed since polls show Scots as satified with the SNP performance on health, education, finance and law.

Except it isn't...... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

So it isn't as far as you are concerned but is by majority of Scots.

That's incredibly wrong.  Can't remember the numbers but turnout for the recent election was just over 50%.  SNP gathered around 46% of that vote.  Being kind to the SNP - around a quarter of the electorate voted for them.  

P.S. before you predictably start comparing that with the vote share of the other parties - your point was about the SNP.  

I am talking of polls where Scots said they were satisfied with SNP's running of education, health, law and legal issues where satisfaction rate was over 50%. Dis-satisfaction was at around 20 to 25% with the rest neither one way or the other. Not quite equating to the SNP doing abysmally does it? And I will say again - lets face it - even TopHat earlier admitted surprise at how Labour done poorly considering how unpopular or poor (I think he said) the Tory government has been. Like I said Tory and Labour are no gifts from the heavens so lets not paint them as such eh? They win elections on the grounds that there is nobody else to vote for. Not because of their wonderful governing.

and can that assertion not equally be applied to the SNP?



Probably the most spectacular self-collapsing of an argument I've ever seen...... laughing

Tory and Labour governments have had probably 100 years each of governing so lets look at that much longer failure in that 100 than a mere 5 years of the SNP. That is what is so mystifying here. It seems posters here see it as fair game that Tories and Labour can screw people over with their failings and it is fine but the knives are out for the SNP who have had a miniscule amount of time in charge.

Sorry folks but posters here openly insulting Scots as thick do themselves no favours whatsoever. Quite pathetic actually.

Is this Monty Python?  What has the UK government ever done for us:

Welfare State
NHS
Minimum / Living Wage
Devolved Powers to Nation States
Relative prosperity
Stable economy
Relatively low taxation
High levels of employment
Prominent presence at world level

Could do with a few more aquaducts I suppose.  
 

An NHS now in utter disarray if truth be told with disenchanted/overworked doctors and nurses. Waiting times for Ops stretching into many months. Under-funding, lack of beds etc etc
Stable economy? Really? You can't watch the news for a month or two without hearing about banks in trouble and massive shops going into administration.
High levels of employment and also had many spells of high unemployment as well.
Prominent presence? Well certainly not in the manufacturing world with Britain unable to boast having it's own car making manufacturer or electrical goods. Decimated mines, steelworks and shipbuilding greatly reduced.

We could also go onto governments leading the country to wars (people did not want) backed up on lies by those at the top.
Hideous policies such as Poll Tax, Youth Training Schemes (or should I say slave labour), tax payers being ripped off by privatisation, the rip-off of Bedroom Tax, country being known as rip-off Britain due to us paying more for electrical goods, broadband, clothes etc than almost anywhere else across Europe and Western World. Corruption such as cash for questions, MP's living a life of luxury putting expenses down for ludicrous amounts for ludicrous items etc etc etc.
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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 12 May 2016, 2:12 pm

Yeh, much better for some people to just be lazy and rely on others' hard work to muddle them through life. Much more healthy & beneficial..... Rolling Eyes

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Thu 12 May 2016, 2:22 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Yeh, much better for some people to just be lazy and rely on others' hard work to muddle them through life.  Much more healthy & beneficial..... Rolling Eyes

Eh? That's got literally nothing to do with what I wrote... Rolling Eyes

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Post by Pr4wn on Thu 12 May 2016, 2:30 pm

If the personal insults don't stop I'm going to lock this thread. Please keep it civil.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 12 May 2016, 2:32 pm

And talking of unemployment rates then Scotland has a lower rate of unemployment than:-

North East England
Yorkshire and The Humber
West Midlands
London
Wales
Northern Ireland

As for NHS and A & E waiting times then Scotland generally comes out closest to meeting the 4 hour target (before referral) is the only region to publish its records weekly whilst the rest of UK that doesn't fare so well has now started publishing their results monthly.
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Post by superflyweight on Thu 12 May 2016, 2:43 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
superflyweight wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Well I suggest that underperformance is an improvement on what the previous incumbents managed since polls show Scots as satified with the SNP performance on health, education, finance and law.

Except it isn't...... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

So it isn't as far as you are concerned but is by majority of Scots.

That's incredibly wrong.  Can't remember the numbers but turnout for the recent election was just over 50%.  SNP gathered around 46% of that vote.  Being kind to the SNP - around a quarter of the electorate voted for them.  

P.S. before you predictably start comparing that with the vote share of the other parties - your point was about the SNP.  

I am talking of polls where Scots said they were satisfied with SNP's running of education, health, law and legal issues where satisfaction rate was over 50%. Dis-satisfaction was at around 20 to 25% with the rest neither one way or the other. Not quite equating to the SNP doing abysmally does it? And I will say again - lets face it - even TopHat earlier admitted surprise at how Labour done poorly considering how unpopular or poor (I think he said) the Tory government has been. Like I said Tory and Labour are no gifts from the heavens so lets not paint them as such eh? They win elections on the grounds that there is nobody else to vote for. Not because of their wonderful governing.

and can that assertion not equally be applied to the SNP?



Probably the most spectacular self-collapsing of an argument I've ever seen...... laughing

Tory and Labour governments have had probably 100 years each of governing so lets look at that much longer failure in that 100 than a mere 5 years of the SNP. That is what is so mystifying here. It seems posters here see it as fair game that Tories and Labour can screw people over with their failings and it is fine but the knives are out for the SNP who have had a miniscule amount of time in charge.

Sorry folks but posters here openly insulting Scots as thick do themselves no favours whatsoever. Quite pathetic actually.

Is this Monty Python?  What has the UK government ever done for us:

Welfare State
NHS
Minimum / Living Wage
Devolved Powers to Nation States
Relative prosperity
Stable economy
Relatively low taxation
High levels of employment
Prominent presence at world level

Could do with a few more aquaducts I suppose.  
 

An NHS now in utter disarray if truth be told with disenchanted/overworked doctors and nurses. Waiting times for Ops stretching into many months. Under-funding, lack of beds etc etc
Stable economy? Really? You can't watch the news for a month or two without hearing about banks in trouble and massive shops going into administration.
High levels of employment and also had many spells of high unemployment as well.
Prominent presence? Well certainly not in the manufacturing world with Britain unable to boast having it's own car making manufacturer or electrical goods. Decimated mines, steelworks and shipbuilding greatly reduced.

We could also go onto governments leading the country to wars (people did not want) backed up on lies by those at the top.
Hideous policies such as Poll Tax, Youth Training Schemes (or should I say slave labour), tax payers being ripped off by privatisation, the rip-off of Bedroom Tax, country being known as rip-off Britain due to us paying more for electrical goods, broadband, clothes etc than almost anywhere else across Europe and Western World. Corruption such as cash for questions, MP's living a life of luxury putting expenses down for ludicrous amounts for ludicrous items etc etc etc.

F*ck me - you're right - we're all f*cked. Country is busted, done, gone - nothing good has ever happened here. Nothing at all.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 12 May 2016, 2:49 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Yeh, much better for some people to just be lazy and rely on others' hard work to muddle them through life.  Much more healthy & beneficial..... Rolling Eyes

Eh? That's got literally nothing to do with what I wrote... Rolling Eyes

It's the opposite of prosperity.

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