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What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by LordDowlais on Mon 09 May 2016, 8:24 am

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Well, the title says it all really. What a pathetic, embarrassing finish to the PRO12 it was for the Welsh regions. I am livid, as a Welsh rugby fan I am bouncing, and it just goes to show how right I am when I talk about the attitudes towards the game that the regions take. What does it matter to the regions that they got beaten on the weekend ? Nothing, that's what, they do not have to worry.

Ospreys knew what they needed to do and the were shamed in their own back yard. If I were a paying customer on Saturday I would have been demanding my money back. Scarlets were the same, they just gave up in the second half, and the less said about Dragons the better. Where was the pride ? 

I live in hope that next season will be better, Welsh domestic rugby is in a dark place at the moment, how any fans of the regions can come on here and defend their teams showing over this season is beyond me. No doubt I will get attacked from every quarter on here by the likes of Risca, Stone motif, mikey dragon, PhillBB, Scarletspiderman, but how can they argue ? It's no wonder that the amount of fans going to watch our regions are not as good as elsewhere, it's because of the crap being served up infront of them week in week out, who would want to keep paying for it ?

But what does it matter, the regions will still get the same funding next year, they will still get the same money from Europe, nothing will change for them, so why should they change ?

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by Steffan on Thu 19 May 2016, 3:35 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Btw speaking of Ponty how are their rugby team doing? I heard they don't do as well without their Blues players laughing.
Doing ok. They even finished top the league prior to the playoffs

Quite a few new signings for next year. I'll be abroad for most of it but here's to another successful season Smile

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 19 May 2016, 3:38 pm

PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Steffan wrote:But I agree that no Valley has a real name

Can you please explain that to Phil please Steff ?

Can you explain why you tried to claim it was the 'Glamorgan Valley'?

You can see the source of my confusion.

I used that term to separate them from the Gwent valleys. OK, I think we should just call them Welsh valleys, Pontypridd and Bedwas are towns within them.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 19 May 2016, 3:52 pm

PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
PhilBB wrote:It's odd that you chose to write the above only to move on to claim that Pontypridd is an unnamed valley.

Ok then Phil, over to you. Can you please tell us all the names of these valleys, from Ystradgynlias to Abbergavenny ? West to east preferably. Rolling Eyes

Wouldn't have a clue, mate. I'll leave the fabrication of names to you in this thread.

I'll sit with 'Pontypridd isn't in a named valley'.


No town is situated in a "named valley". None of us are saying they are either. You have just been proved wrong, again, and you are trying to worm your way out of it, again.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 19 May 2016, 3:58 pm

LordDowlais wrote:No town is situated in a "named valley".

Well that's not true. Treorchy's in Rhondda Fawr. Aberdare's in the Cynon Valley.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 19 May 2016, 4:04 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Well that's not true. Treorchy's in Rhondda Fawr. Aberdare's in the Cynon Valley.

They are councils that represent areas aren't they ? 

The Cynon Valley is now RCT. Isn't it ?

Where does it say Cynon Valley or Rhondda Fawr on a map ? These are river names that the Valleys used to be named after.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 19 May 2016, 4:07 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Well that's not true. Treorchy's in Rhondda Fawr. Aberdare's in the Cynon Valley.

They are councils that represent areas aren't they ? 

The Cynon Valley is now RCT. Isn't it ?

Where does it say Cynon Valley or Rhondda Fawr on a map ? These are river names that the Valleys used to be named after.

You've answered your own question.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 19 May 2016, 4:14 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:You've answered your own question.

Sorry, what I meant to say was, that these names are not recognised anymore, they are just names of rivers now. 

Rhondda Fawr- The Great Rhonnda
Avon Cynon - The River Cynon

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 19 May 2016, 4:17 pm

But Aberdare is still in the Cynon Valley. It hasn't moved.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 19 May 2016, 4:20 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:But Aberdare is still in the Cynon Valley. It hasn't moved.

No it has not moved, but times have changed. Aberdare is now in RCT.


Rhondda, Cynon, Taff. All river names.


I suppose you could name every valley in Wales after the river that runs through it though, that would be a way of doing it.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by PhilBB on Thu 19 May 2016, 4:29 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
I used that term to separate them from the Gwent valleys. OK, I think we should just call them Welsh valleys, Pontypridd and Bedwas are towns within them.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I can see now why you used Glamorgan to describe the area around Pontypridd in case I thought it was in Gwent.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 19 May 2016, 4:30 pm

But why did you say 'no town is situated in a "named valley"'? Surely all towns in named valleys are in named valleys?

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by PhilBB on Thu 19 May 2016, 4:32 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
No town is situated in a "named valley". None of us are saying they are either. You have just been proved wrong, again, and you are trying to worm your way out of it, again.

If no town is situated in a named valley, why did you write this earlier in the thread:

"To help you out, the next main valley over is the Aberdare one, it contains villages such as Abercynon, Mountain Ash, Abercwmboi, Cwmbach, Llwycoed to name a few"

You've clearly written that Abercynon is in a named valley.

So, now that you've totally contradicted yourself, what are you claiming that I have been 'proved wrong' about?

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by PhilBB on Thu 19 May 2016, 4:33 pm

Oh, somebody has put himself in a twist.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by marty2086 on Thu 19 May 2016, 4:45 pm

PhilBB wrote:Oh, somebody has put himself in a twist.

We're used to you doing that

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 19 May 2016, 4:46 pm

PhilBB wrote:"To help you out, the next main valley over is the Aberdare one, it contains villages such as Abercynon, Mountain Ash, Abercwmboi, Cwmbach, Llwycoed to name a few"

I used the term Aberdare one because that is the main town in that valley. Look I am done with you Phil, just stay in Radyr.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 19 May 2016, 4:47 pm

PhilBB wrote:Oh, somebody has put himself in a twist.


How have I put myself in a twist ?

I am still waiting for you to tell me the names of all these valleys we have in Wales. Twist yourself out of that one.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by PhilBB on Thu 19 May 2016, 5:00 pm

marty2086 wrote:
PhilBB wrote:Oh, somebody has put himself in a twist.

We're used to you doing that

You're not. You have to get threads locked to protect you.

That you couldn't grasp the Heaslip story was actually worrying.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by PhilBB on Thu 19 May 2016, 5:00 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
PhilBB wrote:"To help you out, the next main valley over is the Aberdare one, it contains villages such as Abercynon, Mountain Ash, Abercwmboi, Cwmbach, Llwycoed to name a few"

I used the term Aberdare one because that is the main town in that valley. Look I am done with you Phil, just stay in Radyr.

What Valley is Radyr in, Mr Confused?

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by PhilBB on Thu 19 May 2016, 5:02 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
PhilBB wrote:Oh, somebody has put himself in a twist.


How have I put myself in a twist ?

I am still waiting for you to tell me the names of all these valleys we have in Wales. Twist yourself out of that one.

I already answered that one for you. I think that the readers can work out your flip from 'Cynon Valley towns' to what two posters caught you out on above.

Still, it's a good job Sam Warburton doesn't have an NDC and you've a link to prove that, right?

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 19 May 2016, 5:04 pm

PhilBB wrote:Still, it's a good job Sam Warburton doesn't have an NDC and you've a link to prove that, right?

In your words, prove I said that.

PhilBB wrote:I already answered that one for you. I think that the readers can work out your flip from 'Cynon Valley towns' to what two posters caught you out on above.


You are the one going on about un-named valleys, so if you think they are named, name them. Come on, I am still waiting.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by marty2086 on Thu 19 May 2016, 5:05 pm

PhilBB wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
PhilBB wrote:Oh, somebody has put himself in a twist.

We're used to you doing that

You're not. You have to get threads locked to protect you.

That you couldn't grasp the Heaslip story was actually worrying.

Laugh

You really are a parody, the thread was closed because it was too long and the story you speak off seems to exist only in your head

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 19 May 2016, 5:06 pm

PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
PhilBB wrote:"To help you out, the next main valley over is the Aberdare one, it contains villages such as Abercynon, Mountain Ash, Abercwmboi, Cwmbach, Llwycoed to name a few"

I used the term Aberdare one because that is the main town in that valley. Look I am done with you Phil, just stay in Radyr.

What Valley is Radyr in, Mr Confused?


It's not in a valley, it in more of a vale.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by PhilBB on Thu 19 May 2016, 5:24 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
PhilBB wrote:Still, it's a good job Sam Warburton doesn't have an NDC and you've a link to prove that, right?

In your words, prove I said that.

PhilBB wrote:I already answered that one for you. I think that the readers can work out your flip from 'Cynon Valley towns' to what two posters caught you out on above.


You are the one going on about un-named valleys, so if you think they are named, name them. Come on, I am still waiting.

How can I name an unnamed valley?

Your link: http://www.606v2.com/t62397p350-ospreys-2015-16-season#3357802

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by PhilBB on Thu 19 May 2016, 5:26 pm

marty2086 wrote:
You really are a parody, the thread was closed because it was too long and the story you speak off seems to exist only in your head

You seemed unable to grab, probably because you're clearly not as bright as you think you are, that rugby players being set up in businesses has been part of the game for decades. You seemed to be confused with it being something to do with Heaslip's last contract and kept on about that, thus proving that you couldn't grab the point being presented in Mickey Mouse speak to you.


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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 19 May 2016, 5:27 pm

This thread has taken a strange turn.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 19 May 2016, 5:37 pm

PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
PhilBB wrote:Still, it's a good job Sam Warburton doesn't have an NDC and you've a link to prove that, right?

In your words, prove I said that.

PhilBB wrote:I already answered that one for you. I think that the readers can work out your flip from 'Cynon Valley towns' to what two posters caught you out on above.


You are the one going on about un-named valleys, so if you think they are named, name them. Come on, I am still waiting.

How can I name an unnamed valley?

Your link: http://www.606v2.com/t62397p350-ospreys-2015-16-season#3357802


On that thread I said the circumstances surrounding his NDC were dodgy, I did not say he did not have one, nice try though.

Secondly you are admitting that the valleys in Wales are unnamed ?

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by PenfroPete on Thu 19 May 2016, 5:45 pm

http://www.visitwales.com/explore/south-wales/valleys

"Visit the official regional website for more information: thevalleys.co.uk"

http://www.thevalleys.co.uk/explore/explore-the-valleys.aspx

http://www.thevalleys.co.uk/explore/explore-the-valleys/taff

"As its name indicates, the Taff is joined by the Cynon at Abercynon before reaching Pontypridd, one of the chief towns of the valleys, where the Rhondda flows into it"

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by marty2086 on Thu 19 May 2016, 5:59 pm

PhilBB wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
You really are a parody, the thread was closed because it was too long and the story you speak off seems to exist only in your head

You seemed unable to grab, probably because you're clearly not as bright as you think you are, that rugby players being set up in businesses has been part of the game for decades. You seemed to be confused with it being something to do with Heaslip's last contract and kept on about that, thus proving that you couldn't grab the point being presented in Mickey Mouse speak to you.


Ok Einstein you'll get one response from me here and thats it so as not to hijack this thread

I never disputed the way its worked with rugby, you made a claim about Heaslip and a restaurant you refused to back up and when presented with the challenge that his image rights etc weren't part of his contract until 2014, after his investment in the restaurant you started talking about the whole of rugby so its doesn't matter if its Sherlock or Closeau but its clear even to Stevie Wonder you have an issue with holding your hands up and manfully saying you got it wrong

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by Pot Hale on Thu 19 May 2016, 7:48 pm

PhilBB wrote:.... that rugby players being set up in businesses has been part of the game for decades. You seemed to be confused with it being something to do with Heaslip's last contract and kept on about that, thus proving that you couldn't grab the point being presented in Mickey Mouse speak to you.


You're right that plenty of players get involved with business ventures outside the game, particularly as they near the end of their career - in Ireland and elsewhere.   Are you claiming that the IRFU or the provinces are setting up these business interests for them - as part of an overall salary package?

And, if so, do you believe the same is being done for Welsh players by the regions/WRU?

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 19 May 2016, 8:04 pm

PenfroPete wrote:http://www.visitwales.com/explore/south-wales/valleys

"Visit the official regional website for more information: thevalleys.co.uk"

http://www.thevalleys.co.uk/explore/explore-the-valleys.aspx

http://www.thevalleys.co.uk/explore/explore-the-valleys/taff

"As its name indicates, the Taff is joined by the Cynon at Abercynon before reaching Pontypridd, one of the chief towns of the valleys, where the Rhondda flows into it"


Oh, how embarrassing all that info is for our Phillip. Very Happy

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by Cardiff Dave on Thu 19 May 2016, 8:37 pm

Merthyr RFC Rising has a ring to it.
Anyway the interesting stuff here....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merthyr_Rising

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by Cardiff Dave on Thu 19 May 2016, 9:28 pm

Apparently, during the last ice age, glaciation stopped at around about Taffs Well-ish. Explains why there's no "Valleys" in Cardiff and never will be, I guess.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Fri 20 May 2016, 10:05 am

Cardiff Dave wrote:Apparently, during the last ice age, glaciation stopped at around about Taffs Well-ish. Explains why there's no "Valleys" in Cardiff and never will be, I guess.

Blydi favouritism.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by SecretFly on Fri 20 May 2016, 11:39 am

Next Topic:  Islands.

Is the Isle of Man an Isle, an Island, a Desert, a mountain range, a salt lake, a city square or a Man?

Discuss.  I'm sure there'll be disagreements.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 20 May 2016, 2:48 pm

Laugh 05.20.2016

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by Notch on Fri 20 May 2016, 3:35 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:This thread has taken a strange turn.

What an absolutely pathetic end to the thread 'What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season'. Wink

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by Pot Hale on Fri 20 May 2016, 3:53 pm

Notch wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:This thread has taken a strange turn.

What an absolutely pathetic end to the thread 'What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season'. Wink

And that has to be the mostest absolutely pathetic post in this absolutely pathetic thread about the absolutely pathetic end to the pathetic Welsh regional season.

So there!


...he said pathetically.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by Cardiff Dave on Fri 20 May 2016, 11:06 pm

SecretFly wrote:Next Topic:  Islands.

Is the Isle of Man an Isle, an Island, a Desert, a mountain range, a salt lake, a city square or a Man?

Discuss.  I'm sure there'll be disagreements.

Isle of Mun, shewerly?

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 20 May 2016, 11:10 pm

Isle of Butt?

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by Stone Motif on Fri 20 May 2016, 11:56 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Next Topic:  Islands.

Is the Isle of Man an Isle, an Island, a Desert, a mountain range, a salt lake, a city square or a Man?

Discuss.  I'm sure there'll be disagreements.

Isle of Mun, shewerly?

No mun is an island. Mun.

Except Barry.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by Pot Hale on Sat 21 May 2016, 5:44 am

Stone Motif wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Next Topic:  Islands.

Is the Isle of Man an Isle, an Island, a Desert, a mountain range, a salt lake, a city square or a Man?

Discuss.  I'm sure there'll be disagreements.

Isle of Mun, shewerly?

No mun is an island. Mun.

Except Barry.

Very good, Stone. Like that.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by Cardiff Dave on Sun 22 May 2016, 8:21 pm

Stone Motif wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
SecretFly wrote:Next Topic:  Islands.

Is the Isle of Man an Isle, an Island, a Desert, a mountain range, a salt lake, a city square or a Man?

Discuss.  I'm sure there'll be disagreements.

Isle of Mun, shewerly?

No mun is an island. Mun.

Except Barry.

Meh.
Where is the island down Barry Island way, anyway?
Not even an inkling of an isthmus.
All a blydi big fib if you ask me.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by PhilBB on Mon 23 May 2016, 4:23 pm

LordDowlais wrote:

On that thread I said the circumstances surrounding his NDC were dodgy, I did not say he did not have one, nice try though.

Secondly you are admitting that the valleys in Wales are unnamed ?

You didn't even know he had an NDC. You thought that he had a central contract. That's how up to speed you are.

Where are 'the valleys in Wales'? Do you mean all of them?

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by PhilBB on Mon 23 May 2016, 4:25 pm

marty2086 wrote:
I never disputed the way its worked with rugby, you made a claim about Heaslip and a restaurant you refused to back up and when presented with the challenge that his image rights etc weren't part of his contract until 2014, after his investment in the restaurant you started talking about the whole of rugby so its doesn't matter if its Sherlock or Closeau but its clear even to Stevie Wonder you have an issue with holding your hands up and manfully saying you got it wrong

If I refused to 'back it up', how did you manage to find my reference when you Googled for it?

What is somehow escaping you is that image rights have been in rugby for years, private influence has been part of the game since the amateur era, my point on private influence in Irish rugby had nothing to do with the non-sequitur of Heaslip's 2014 contract (something that you retrospectively introduced to the thread).

I can't have got it wrong as you managed to find it on Google, ffs.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by PhilBB on Mon 23 May 2016, 4:26 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
You're right that plenty of players get involved with business ventures outside the game, particularly as they near the end of their career - in Ireland and elsewhere.   Are you claiming that the IRFU or the provinces are setting up these business interests for them - as part of an overall salary package?

And, if so, do you believe the same is being done for Welsh players by the regions/WRU?

It's been part of rugby for years and will continue to be, yes.

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Re: What an absolutely pathetic end to the Welsh regional season

Post by PhilBB on Mon 23 May 2016, 4:27 pm

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Oh, how embarrassing all that info is for our Phillip. Very Happy

How is it? Please explain. You, yourself, admitted that Pontypridd is not in a valley.

That was until Google Fly moved the debate on to geographical rather than 'named' valleys.

You write these kind of posts as though the preceding efforts of yours in the thread were never written. It's hilariously deluded and shameless. You're almost as bad as Owen Robins.

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Post by marty2086 on Mon 23 May 2016, 5:17 pm

PhilBB wrote:
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I never disputed the way its worked with rugby, you made a claim about Heaslip and a restaurant you refused to back up and when presented with the challenge that his image rights etc weren't part of his contract until 2014, after his investment in the restaurant you started talking about the whole of rugby so its doesn't matter if its Sherlock or Closeau but its clear even to Stevie Wonder you have an issue with holding your hands up and manfully saying you got it wrong

If I refused to 'back it up', how did you manage to find my reference when you Googled for it?

What is somehow escaping you is that image rights have been in rugby for years, private influence has been part of the game since the amateur era, my point on private influence in Irish rugby had nothing to do with the non-sequitur of Heaslip's 2014 contract (something that you retrospectively introduced to the thread).

I can't have got it wrong as you managed to find it on Google, ffs.

You mean when I said what are you talking about there is nothing there? That what you mean?

I knew of some of the information you alluded to not the article which you still cannot provide

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Post by PhilBB on Tue 24 May 2016, 8:04 am

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I knew of some of the information you alluded to not the article which you still cannot provide

So, despite you finding the proof that supported my post (via Google) you want me to post a link, even though you've found a link and agreed with my point.

How weird.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 24 May 2016, 8:15 am

marty actually said 'You mean when I said what are you talking about there is nothing there?'.

That means he didn't find a link.

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 24 May 2016, 9:13 am

PhilBB wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
I never disputed the way its worked with rugby, you made a claim about Heaslip and a restaurant you refused to back up and when presented with the challenge that his image rights etc weren't part of his contract until 2014, after his investment in the restaurant you started talking about the whole of rugby so its doesn't matter if its Sherlock or Closeau but its clear even to Stevie Wonder you have an issue with holding your hands up and manfully saying you got it wrong

If I refused to 'back it up', how did you manage to find my reference when you Googled for it?

What is somehow escaping you is that image rights have been in rugby for years, private influence has been part of the game since the amateur era, my point on private influence in Irish rugby had nothing to do with the non-sequitur of Heaslip's 2014 contract (something that you retrospectively introduced to the thread).

I can't have got it wrong as you managed to find it on Google, ffs.

You mean that time I specifically said I couldn't find it

Yet we still await the link Tumbleweed

The debate wasn't about rugby in general it was specifically about Heaslip so his 2014 contract was relevant yet you would like it not to be to hide the fact you were wrong and refuse to admit it. This is why you tried to broaden things to the whole sport Rolling Eyes

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