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Post by Rowanbi on Tue May 10, 2016 9:22 am

Some of the 4000 Arabic words deposited into the Spanish language during the eight centuries of Muslim rule.

Alcohol, Algebra, Asesino (kill/assassinate), Azucar (sugar), Azul (blue), cafe (coffee), cero (zero), droga (drugs), lima (lime), limon, loco (crazy), ole! (by Allah), ve ojala (God Willing). Yes, the Spanish still say Ojala! and generally don't know where it comes from. In fact, it comes from the Arabic 'Inshallah!'

NB: The Muslims were mostly Berbers from North Africa. Only the leaders were Arabs. After the first few centuries they were confined to the south of Spain, and during the final few centuries to the Granada province only. By all accounts they were relatively peaceful rulers and well-received by many of the locals. They transformed Cordoba into the biggest and most modern city in Europe and introduced vast innovations to the continent in terms of science, medicine, mathematics and so on.
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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue May 10, 2016 9:56 pm

Went on a walking tour of Madrid the other day and this came a lot. Moorish influence on Spain is absolutely fascinating - hadn't realised until that tour the 'Ole!' was of Arabic origin!

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Post by Rowanbi on Tue May 10, 2016 10:03 pm

Yes, many of the place names as well, particularly in the south of course - Alicante, Almeria, Algeciras, etc. & the people in the south even look closer to North Africans than they do to Europeans. The girls are gorgeous! Shocked heart Very Happy
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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue May 10, 2016 10:06 pm

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Post by Rowanbi on Tue May 10, 2016 10:27 pm

I've only visited the old city there. Definitely worth seeing! thumbsup
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Post by kingraf on Tue May 10, 2016 11:03 pm

They also kicked some ass in Sicily, if I recall. Don't know how well received they were there?
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Post by Rowanbi on Tue May 10, 2016 11:51 pm

Well, the Italian rugby team's nickname appears to derive from the Arabic word for blue Smile

Not to mention Southern France, whence the Reconquest began. The Ottomans later ran a Christian slave-trade from Nice before being bribed to bugger off... devil
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Post by Rowanbi on Wed May 11, 2016 10:17 am

Andalucia comes from the Vandals, btw, an Eastern European Germanic tribe who moved down into the peninsula and settled in the south for a while, before crossing into North Africa and eventually being decimated by the Byzantines in Tunisia. When the Moors arrived, southern Spain was still known as Vandalucia, but they couldn't pronounce the V & called it Al-andalus.
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Post by profitius on Sat May 14, 2016 4:50 am

Rowanbi wrote:Some of the 4000 Arabic words deposited into the Spanish language during the eight centuries of Muslim rule.

Alcohol, Algebra, Asesino (kill/assassinate), Azucar (sugar), Azul (blue), cafe (coffee), cero (zero), droga (drugs), lima (lime), limon, loco (crazy), ole! (by Allah), ve ojala (God Willing). Yes, the Spanish still say Ojala! and generally don't know where it comes from. In fact, it comes from the Arabic 'Inshallah!'

NB: The Muslims were mostly Berbers from North Africa. Only the leaders were Arabs. After the first few centuries they were confined to the south of Spain, and during the final few centuries to the Granada province only. By all accounts they were relatively peaceful rulers and well-received by many of the locals. They transformed Cordoba into the biggest and most modern city in Europe and introduced vast innovations to the continent in terms of science, medicine, mathematics and so on.


They were in their bollix. They killed infants, raped, burned good cities to the ground.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhlvJ7jyYBg
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Post by kingraf on Sat May 14, 2016 4:52 am

profitius wrote:
Rowanbi wrote:Some of the 4000 Arabic words deposited into the Spanish language during the eight centuries of Muslim rule.

Alcohol, Algebra, Asesino (kill/assassinate), Azucar (sugar), Azul (blue), cafe (coffee), cero (zero), droga (drugs), lima (lime), limon, loco (crazy), ole! (by Allah), ve ojala (God Willing). Yes, the Spanish still say Ojala! and generally don't know where it comes from. In fact, it comes from the Arabic 'Inshallah!'

NB: The Muslims were mostly Berbers from North Africa. Only the leaders were Arabs. After the first few centuries they were confined to the south of Spain, and during the final few centuries to the Granada province only. By all accounts they were relatively peaceful rulers and well-received by many of the locals. They transformed Cordoba into the biggest and most modern city in Europe and introduced vast innovations to the continent in terms of science, medicine, mathematics and so on.


They were in their bollix. They killed infants, raped, burned good cities to the ground.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhlvJ7jyYBg

Like all good invaders then.

Watched a doccie on the Vikings a few days ago. Wow.
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Post by Rowanbi on Sat May 14, 2016 5:28 am

Thanks for sharing an anti-Muslim Youtube video from a website entitled "Real Crusaders History." Erm

The thick American accent of the youthful narrator was particualarly convincing... thumbsup
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Post by profitius on Sat May 14, 2016 6:31 am

Rowanbi wrote:Thanks for sharing an anti-Muslim Youtube video from a website entitled "Real Crusaders History." Erm

The thick American accent of the youthful narrator was particualarly convincing... thumbsup


It wasn't his opinion but what was written at the time.


But it ended well. The Spanish kicked the muslims out! thumbsup Yahoo Wink
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Post by Rowanbi on Sat May 14, 2016 7:45 am

Try something a little less Islamaphobic and Christocentric than an American video devoted to the Crusaders - or, better, still, read a good book about it.

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Post by profitius on Sat May 14, 2016 8:03 am

When the moors ruled Europe is a misleading title.


Either way, I'm struggling to see why they were so great. What did they do for Spain?
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Post by Rowanbi on Sat May 14, 2016 8:14 am

Well, they were mostly North African Moors, apart from the leaders, who were Arabs. In fact, somewhat to Spain's shame, 'Que moro! is still uttered as an expletive of contempt.

To answer your second question, they did a great deal. I'd suggest you watch the video posted, or else go and read about it on Wikipedia or some other reasonably neutral site.
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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Sun May 15, 2016 8:28 am

The truth about the moors is in the name they were black afrocoid people.

History paints them as what we describe as middle eastern Arabs just as they paint ancient eygptians and ancient Hebrew Israelites as ME Arabs or Caucasian white total bollix.

The moors brought civilization to medieval Europe they also ruled sicily. Most people know who the moors were from Shakespeare to Quinton Tarantino.

The west got civilization from the Romans the Romans got it from the Greeks the Greeks got it from Africa.

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Post by Rowanbi on Sun May 15, 2016 9:03 am

The Moors were not black, they were a Caucasian-Australoid hybrid, like most peoples living between the Indian subcontinent and the Mediterranean.  Even if you go there today, as I have, you will find black Africans quite rare. They were Berbers - like Abdel Benazzi & Zinedine Zidane. Only their leaders were Arabs. Jews & Arabs are the same race, however; only separated by religion.  Didn't realise Tarantino had done anything on the Moors. Not really a fan of his. Greeks probalby got their civilization from the Middle East more than Africa. The ancient Egyptians were considered to have been ethnically akin to Europeans, btw. Civilization began in Iraq and spread from there. The Greeks adopted their alaphabet from the Phoenicians of what is today Lebanon, which is why we use the Greek word phono (phone, phonetics, ec) for sound.
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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Sun May 15, 2016 10:53 pm

When you say Jews and Arabs are of the same race then please explain. If most of the Jews living in Israel are from a Euro caucasian background then how is it they originate from Africa?

And please explain how the ancient eygptians were akin to Europeans. The rulers who were descendents of the Greek Alexander the great were akin to europeans such as Cleopatra but what of the thousands of years before that?

Eygpts first pharoah was menes. Menes won the throne by defeating his blood brother in Nubia which is Sudan region today and therefore menes United the southern and northern kingdoms.

This was in ancient Africa remember please explain to me when these black peoples became white over night. Please explain why the are no pyramid type structures which match the ancient eygptians architecture in Europe yet there are hundreds south of what we call eygpt today in Africa.

You have no evidence which suggests that the eygptians were anything different to the region they inhabited and the peoples surrounding them. Eygpts history is linked heavily with the history of the nubians in southern eygpt or Sudan and the cushite kingdom which was situated in what we call Ethiopia infact the cushite dynasty was a vast one even the Greeks likened the eygptians to the cushites who were black not Caucasian.

As for Jews and Arabs I can pick up the bible and prove to you that no white European hands wrote the bible in its original form. It never started in Europe and the people the ancient Hebrew Israelites never originated in Europe they were and still are of afrocoid descent.

The bible clearly states that noah had 3 sons ham,shem, and yapeth these brothers had the same mother and father and the bible clearly states that ham set up shop in Africa with his descendents being mizriam (eygpt) phut (somalia) and cush (Ethiopia) shem moves to what we call the middle east and Asia and yapeth went deep into Europe. If they were all blood brothers then they had to black read for yourself genesis table of natuons

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Post by Rowley on Sun May 15, 2016 11:02 pm

As it has been a while since I read it, is it in the bible before or after the bit with the talking snake?

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Sun May 15, 2016 11:09 pm

Look at it as I do a historical document the stories inside are not important but where did it originate from and who wrote it? These are the questions to be asked.

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Post by SecretFly on Mon May 16, 2016 11:31 am

"Eygpts first pharoah was menes. Menes won the throne by defeating his blood brother in Nubia which is Sudan region today and therefore menes United the southern and northern kingdoms."

It always amazes me (and often makes me laugh too) that we think we know so much about what happened in the Ancient past.... the details...  (who did what, who fought in what battle, the dates of the battles, what the intentions were in fighting the battle etc, etc.)  - and yet, and yet, we still don't really know who shot Kennedy, how many were involved and who or what sanctioned the killing.  
Now some will answer that we do indeed know the truth - it was one guy on his own and his name was Oswald.  But the point is that even with all the footage, all the radio and TV interviews with witnesses, even with all the newspaper cutting and thousands of articles and books.... the 'truth' is still disputed and easily contestable using opinions and testimonies from actual people that were close to or actively involved in the event.

So, let's say some future civilisation 5 or 6 thousand years from now are talking about the period of the Great Charismatic King Kennedy.  By that time, like in all history, a single version is finally arrived at and generally accepted, rightly or wrongly.  People of that future age will be more interested in getting the accurate details of history closer to their own.

So by that time, maybe the story will be that this King Kennedy of the Usajians was shot dead by his wife as they were going for a Kentucky Fried Chicken box, shot in revenge for having had his wife's best friend Marilyn Monroe (the first person ever to walk on the moon) killed to stop her telling the truth that the moon landings themselves were a hoax, directed by Kennedy's illegitimate son, Stanley Kubrick.

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Post by Guest on Mon May 16, 2016 7:44 pm

I think Europeans are classed as an Indo-Iranian off-shoot.   "Aryan" comes from "Indo-Iranian"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Iranians

When you step back in time, distinctions between peoples and their cultures fade away.

Of course "Arabic" and "Muslims" are completely separate distinctions.  You can get Arabic Jews and Arabic Christians ...  Similarly you can get Slavic Christians and Slavic Muslims.  Not sure about "Slavic Jews".  Slavic Christians are predominantly Orthodox Christian.  Slavic Muslims became Muslim when under the imperial rule of the Ottomans.  Both Christianity and Islam are ideologically consistent with an imperialistic / empire politie - people are "converted to Christianity" / "submit to Islam".  Governance and religion form close relationships historically. Nowadays you can get Arabic Atheists and Slavic Atheists etc too.

Anyway back to Arabic in Spanish thumbsup

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Post by aja424 on Mon May 16, 2016 9:45 pm

Sounds like they did wonders for Spain, if only they had stayed then Spain could be an advanced, modern and forward looking country similar to Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco.
The southern Spaniards are probably especially distraught that the Arabic influence has diminished, as they look across the Mediterranean and think of what could have been.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon May 16, 2016 10:06 pm

In comes ONETWO.............Out comes the race card laughing Rolling Eyes

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon May 16, 2016 10:07 pm

aja424 wrote:Sounds like they did wonders for Spain, if only they had stayed then Spain could be an advanced, modern and forward looking country similar to Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco.
The southern Spaniards are probably especially distraught that the Arabic influence has diminished, as they look across the Mediterranean and think of what could have been.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Mon May 16, 2016 11:25 pm

They did do wonders in Spain but Spain eventually wanted independence but the moors set them on their way.

What happened next?

The moors retreated and were double crossed by the lighter skinned Arabs who working with the Euro white Christians helped start the horrific slave trade.

Remember the Spanish had fought wars with the Muslim moors and hated them so when they gained independence they travelled on boat to gain revenge but they did not enslave the Arabs did they no they went across to enslave the blacks.

The moors were predominantly black afrocoid before they became Muslim they were Jews. After the lighter skinned Arab conquests many of the black Jews converted to Islam but these guys had a lot of history behind them.

What people don't realise is that the original Arabic speaking people were black skinned tribes just as the Hebrew speaking tribes were also black. Migrations from Europe and Persia mixed with the local population and eventually the darker skinned Arabs were pushed out or pushed down the social ladder. It's why you will find black Palestinians or take a trip on the Nile south of Cairo and you will find the people getting darker.

When you read the bible you will see it was written by blacks for blacks.

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Moses was asked by the most high to put his hand under his armpit and then to take it out and when he took it out his hand turned white then Moses was asked to do it again and when he removed his hand it turned back to its original colour and this is in the bible. It's one of the miracles by the burning Bush.


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Post by TopHat24/7 on Tue May 17, 2016 12:36 am

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
When you read the bible you will see it was written by blacks for blacks.


Lot's of chat about life in da Bethlehem ghetto? Donkey carts with 36" spinning rims??

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Tue May 17, 2016 5:40 am

Lol

It's offensive but funny

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Post by SecretFly on Tue May 17, 2016 6:02 am

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

Moses was asked by the most high to put his hand under his armpit and then to take it out and when he took it out his hand turned white then Moses was asked to do it again and when he removed his hand it turned back to its original colour and this is in the bible. It's one of the miracles by the burning Bush.


Whites can still tan. And I'd assume in Moses time, with no air-conditioning, there wasn't much advantage of staying out of the sun, especially if a day's preaching or walking was required. So is it not reading things a little literally?

After all, the pale pasty skinned guy coming out on his first day on the beach always gets a snigger from his tanned up pals.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Tue May 17, 2016 10:15 am

Haha come on mate do me a favour.

What type of miracle is it to turn a white hand into a white hand hahahahaha

The bible CLEARLY states his hand turned white and then BACK to its ORIGINAL colour.

This was a miracle along with turning Moses staff into a snake it was meant to SHOCK.

More examples read that when Moses was rescued from the Nile by the Pharaohs daughter he went to her chambers and inquired about the boy and the daughter stated the boy was his grandchild this was enough to convince the pharaoh.

Ancient Egypt at the time of this story was a black African civilization. If Moses was white he would have stuck out like a sore thumb.

I can't understand why people find it so hard to believe that ancient Egypt was black I mean Egypt is in AFRICA is it not? And the Eygptians who refered to themselves as kemet which meant land of the blacks seemed more the happy to paint themselves as black on their many many wall paintings they were surrounded by other prominent African nations such as Nubia cush and cannan which was situated in Israel, they spoke an African language, had African traditions, and were described by outsiders like the ancient Greeks as being an Afrocoid people. There are many pyramids scattered over central Africa like the Sudan which are simular in style and construction none of which you will find in Europe.

You are willing to believe that ancient Africa is the original home of European Caucasians this is because every movie on the topic portrays them as white even up to this day.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue May 17, 2016 10:22 pm

I didn't read your full comment yet ONETWO...I'm gliding through all comments on a number of threads.

But on that Back to Original colour thing.   A Northern European Caucasian, such as myself; well if we're out of the sun too long, the colour does tend to be White - yes - original colour - at least since we turned white that is, as before being white, we were all Black of course.  

That's the fun of all this racial stuff - we're all from the same stuff anyway.  We just spread out, became more in tune physically with our distinct geographical locations and now that we're all getting closed in again as the world becomes increasing smaller, we're at each others necks claiming we're all virtually from different planets. Wink

But to get back to that specific point.  We Northern Europeans go white - but what colour does an Italian or Turkish person go when out of the sun?  It's not white.  Put an Italian hand next to mine on a winter's day and you'd see a big difference.  One would be white, one wouldn't.

Now, I'm not attempting to kill your theory.  I'm always open to debate.  But I'm saying a line from Bible - it's an interpretation you're bringing to it.

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER on Wed May 18, 2016 2:22 am

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