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AUSTRALIA v ENGLAND
18 June 2016
20:00 AEST (UTC+10)
AAMI Park, Melbourne

Live on [tbc]

Referee: Craig Joubert (South Africa)
Touch judges: [tbc]
Television match official: [tbc]

A. Head to Head

45 Played 45
25 Won 19
1 Drawn 1
19 Lost 25
968 Points 713

B. Recent Form

11 June 2016 - Suncorp, Brisbane: Australia 28–39 England

3 October 2015 - Twickenham, London: 13 – 33 to Australia

29 November 2014 - Twickenham, London: 26 – 17 to England

2 November 2013 - Twickenham, London: 20 – 13 to England

17 November 2012 - Twickenham, London: 14 – 20 to Australia

13 November 2010 - Twickenham, London: 35 – 18 to England

19 June 2010 - Telstra Stadium, Sydney: 20 – 21 to England

12 June 2010 - Subiaco Oval, Perth: 27 – 17 to Australia

C. Teams

AUSTRALIA 
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Israel Folau; Dane Haylett-Petty, Tevita Kuridrani, Samu Kerevi, Rob Horne; Bernard Foley, Nick Phipps; James Slipper, Stephen Moore (capt), Sekope Kepu, Rory Arnold, Sam Carter, Scott Fardy, Michael Hooper, Sean McMahon.

Replacements (three to be omitted): Tatafu Polota-Nau, Toby Smith, Greg Holmes, James Horwill, Dean Mumm, Wycliff Palu, Ben McCalman, Liam Gill, Nick Frisby, Christian Leali'ifano, Luke Morahan

ENGLAND
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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 11:34 am

boomeranga wrote:
Barney McGrew did it wrote:I was nervous when they dropped Sio (as he would have lost Aus the game), but after hearing Cheika crying over those naughty burly English types pushing the poor little Aus players a bit I’m feeling much better. They certainly don’t like it up ‘em.

I've seen the Dwyer comments that have upset everyone so, but nothing from Cheika. What did he say?  

I can't imagine him 'crying' over a team being physical.  He was a dirty bugga himself and everything about him loves that side of it.  Everyone else complained about the Waratahs when he was coach and that was never an issue for us before he arrived.  The opposite was generally the case.  He tends to move his teams towards that end of the scale.

Cheika stated that England play with a lot of "niggle" and they will not react. He stated that his teams will never play that way.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 11:55 am

boomeranga wrote:...I've seen the Dwyer comments that have upset everyone so, but nothing from Cheika. What did he say?  

I can't imagine him 'crying' over a team being physical....

“I love being in this situation, which I know sounds crazy, but one down in the series, in a scrap, and we’re Aussies, in a battle, so let’s go,” said Cheika. “It’s true that I didn’t have this head on after the match. I was miserable, hurting, wanting to cry. But now, let’s get into it, show our character, and I want my players to enjoy the experience, this really good shindig. We never want to take a backward step. But losing is part of life. You can’t have a golden pathway all the way through where everything is happy and rosy and everyone is singing songs together.

“Sometimes it is tough, you are in that scrap. We have had a good run and now we need to find out about character so that we can build something of substance.”

We have got to deal with the niggle a bit better, that off-the-ball stuff,” said Cheika. “You can’t whack a bloke because you will get caught. Niggle is not in our game, that’s not the Aussie way but if that is England’s strategy then that is their strategy. I am not against it but we have to find our way. I won’t be sledging England. I don’t do that if I can’t get out on the field myself to back it up. You can’t pin this or that up on the dressing-room wall for motivation. We want to be bullet-proof against all that sort stuff. On Saturday, it’s clear and simple, we have to be better.”

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Post by ChequeredJersey on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 12:01 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
boomeranga wrote:
Barney McGrew did it wrote:I was nervous when they dropped Sio (as he would have lost Aus the game), but after hearing Cheika crying over those naughty burly English types pushing the poor little Aus players a bit I’m feeling much better. They certainly don’t like it up ‘em.

I've seen the Dwyer comments that have upset everyone so, but nothing from Cheika. What did he say?  

I can't imagine him 'crying' over a team being physical.  He was a dirty bugga himself and everything about him loves that side of it.  Everyone else complained about the Waratahs when he was coach and that was never an issue for us before he arrived.  The opposite was generally the case.  He tends to move his teams towards that end of the scale.

Cheika stated that England play with a lot of "niggle" and they will not react. He stated that his teams will never play that way.

The Lancaster approach. Good to know
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Post by jamesandimac on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 12:05 pm

Will be interesting to see if Daly is only in the 23 for injury cover or whether there is a plan to utilise him. If the rumours are true that he has been running at 15, it would offer a hell of an attacking threat in the backline because when he plays there for Wasps he comes into the line at pace, something we've all been crying out for for a long time. Would be very useful with Ford and Farrell offering the additional width.

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Post by boomeranga on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 12:10 pm

It doesn't read like much to me because he says a lot of words that don't support that interpretation. But if it does to you guys then fair enough.

I disagree with him that niggle is not our way when we pick Fardy. He loves it.

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Post by lostinwales on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 12:14 pm

'Niggle' - as in Itjoe shouting in everyone's faces at every opportunity did seem to be a feature of last Saturday's game

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Post by BamBam on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 12:15 pm

He is rather good at that


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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 12:17 pm

lostinwales wrote:'Niggle' - as in Itjoe shouting in everyone's faces at every opportunity did seem to be a feature of last Saturday's game

If that was what he meant, I can agree with him - it was getting damned annoying.

However he spoke about marginally late hits and holding players back off the ball.

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Post by ChequeredJersey on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 12:32 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
lostinwales wrote:'Niggle' - as in Itjoe shouting in everyone's faces at every opportunity did seem to be a feature of last Saturday's game

If that was what he meant, I can agree with him - it was getting damned annoying.

However he spoke about marginally late hits and holding players back off the ball.

Nice to know his sides will never play like that. Someone must have forgotten to tell Hooper at the world cup!

We do put in some occasional marginally late hits, admittedly, though I suppose you always risk a penalty with that
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 12:45 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
lostinwales wrote:'Niggle' - as in Itjoe shouting in everyone's faces at every opportunity did seem to be a feature of last Saturday's game

If that was what he meant, I can agree with him - it was getting damned annoying.

It's a good job you won or he would have looked pretty stupid.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 12:47 pm

This is a good look at Australia's attack last weekend.

http://www.the42.ie/analysis-australia-1-3-3-1-shape-england-2016-2825557-Jun2016/

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Post by beshocked on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 12:50 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
lostinwales wrote:'Niggle' - as in Itjoe shouting in everyone's faces at every opportunity did seem to be a feature of last Saturday's game

If that was what he meant, I can agree with him - it was getting damned annoying.

It's a good job you won or he would have looked pretty stupid.

Fortunately Itoje has had a habit of winning rugby games so far..... Could change on the weekend though.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 1:00 pm

boomeranga wrote:It doesn't read like much to me because he says a lot of words that don't support that interpretation.  But if it does to you guys then fair enough.  

I disagree with him that niggle is not our way when we pick Fardy.  He loves it.
I liked what he had to say, especially about how distraught he was at losing. You wouldn't really want it any other way.

I don't think he was whining but there's little doubt he didn't intend to be complimentary about England.

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Post by Poorfour on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 1:39 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:This is a good look at Australia's attack last weekend.

http://www.the42.ie/analysis-australia-1-3-3-1-shape-england-2016-2825557-Jun2016/

Interesting analysis. Two notable points - one is that Burrell's slow / incorrect reactions to the Australian moves was a big contributor in England's defence being out of shape; he clearly wasn't prepared for how they were going to use their pods.

The second was that Billy V was effectively required to defend against much faster backs in a couple of the examples, and his comparative lack of pace was exploited. I imagine that might be why Clifford is on the bench (aside from his role as cover for 12, obviously) - so that England have some very quick but very powerful legs to help close out the game in the last quarter. The same goes for Lawes.
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 1:41 pm

Not convinced we need 2 locks on the bench but I'm assuming that Daly has convinced Jones he has what it takes to play 12! Bit risky for my tastes. Yardes unlucky to be dropped based on last week.

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Post by yappysnap on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 3:09 pm

beshocked wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
lostinwales wrote:'Niggle' - as in Itjoe shouting in everyone's faces at every opportunity did seem to be a feature of last Saturday's game

If that was what he meant, I can agree with him - it was getting damned annoying.

It's a good job you won or he would have looked pretty stupid.

Fortunately Itoje has had a habit of winning rugby games so far..... Could change on the weekend though.

To be fair when you look at the other locks picked then it has to be Itoje doing the shouting, the others would probably get the words wrong or scare themselves! Very Happy

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Post by jamesandimac on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 3:39 pm

6/2 split does have risks but it shows quite clearly Englands plan for the match, which is to really go after Australia up front. We saw something very similar in the 6Ns against Italy whereby it was full on for 50/60 mins and then the bench emptied to take the game away.

I don't think it'll be quite the same as that score but if England do get out of the starting block early and physically impose themselves on the Aussie pack then having those forward replacements coming on will only enhance things.

George is a good move and will keep the set piece ticking once Hartley comes off and I can see Launchbury and Lawes making a big impression with Itoje, Clifford and Vunipola in the back row.

The only problem will be if there are injuries elsewhere to alter the plan.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 4:31 pm

Picking a bench is always tricky. It's a balance between what you want to do and what you might have to do.

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 4:47 pm

It's this from the mentioned article......

'Marler's team-mate Mako Vunipola says he can "see where Marler is coming from" but is confident referee Craig Joubert will not be influenced by external noise come the weekend.

"We are all human beings. I can't comment on what Marler tweets. You can see where he is coming from, but it's tough. It's one of those things - a reaction," Vunipola said.

"We just have to go out there and do what we can.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I have every confidence in Coley. We are very lucky to have one of the best referees in the world, Craig Joubert.

"We trust he will make the calls that are needed. That World Cup [game] is history."'


WTF?

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Post by lostinwales on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 5:00 pm

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:It's this from the mentioned article......

'Marler's team-mate Mako Vunipola says he can "see where Marler is coming from" but is confident referee Craig Joubert will not be influenced by external noise come the weekend.

"We are all human beings. I can't comment on what Marler tweets. You can see where he is coming from, but it's tough. It's one of those things - a reaction," Vunipola said.

"We just have to go out there and do what we can.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I have every confidence in Coley. We are very lucky to have one of the best referees in the world, Craig Joubert.

"We trust he will make the calls that are needed. That World Cup [game] is history."'


WTF?

He's hardly going to say 'Well Joubert is a complete bumhole and the way he handled Scotland Australia in the RWC was a total disgrace. BTW I am pure as the driven snow and anything bad that happens on my side of the scrum will always be the fault of those cheating shackle draggers*'

*Saw that on Green and Gold - as in the results of the tests so far is soap dodgers 1 shackle draggers 0..

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 5:01 pm

You doubt hes 1 of the best?

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Post by thomh on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 5:08 pm

Jamesandimac

I think we'll finish with Itoje, Haskell, Clifford. Vunipola's fitness is light years ahead of where it was but in a game like this I'd expect him to drop off, whereas you wouldn't expect to see Haskell being replaced.

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Post by lostinwales on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 5:12 pm

thomh wrote:Jamesandimac

I think we'll finish with Itoje, Haskell, Clifford. Vunipola's fitness is light years ahead of where it was but in a game like this I'd expect him to drop off, whereas you wouldn't expect to see Haskell being replaced.

Depends how much last week took out of him. And he has had that reputation of yo-yo form.

Won't happen but would be great to see a repeat of Billy's Ireland 6N performance on Saturday

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Post by beshocked on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 5:16 pm

thomh wrote:Jamesandimac

I think we'll finish with Itoje, Haskell, Clifford. Vunipola's fitness is light years ahead of where it was but in a game like this I'd expect him to drop off, whereas you wouldn't expect to see Haskell being replaced.

It's been a long season too. The England guys have done well so far. I think it's also another reason why it's 6/2 to share the workload in the forwards.

It makes it all the more impressive that England won the first test and managed to see out the game.

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Post by nathan on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 5:25 pm

Anyone else think Moore is pretty much Mr Niggle himself.

I noticed in the first 10 minutes when he was clearing a ruck he kept using his arms in the faces of English players

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 5:37 pm

beshocked wrote:
thomh wrote:Jamesandimac

I think we'll finish with Itoje, Haskell, Clifford. Vunipola's fitness is light years ahead of where it was but in a game like this I'd expect him to drop off, whereas you wouldn't expect to see Haskell being replaced.

It's been a long season too. The England guys have done well so far. I think it's also another reason why it's 6/2 to share the workload in the forwards.

It makes it all the more impressive that England won the first test and managed to see out the game.

After seeing you have a pop at benches in the past we're 1 broken nose from Daly at 12 or wing. Thought that would fill you with dread!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 5:53 pm

nathan wrote:Anyone else think Moore is pretty much Mr Niggle himself.

I noticed in the first 10 minutes when he was clearing a ruck he kept using his arms in the faces of English players

Moore is a very dirty player, quite an old school hooker really.

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 5:57 pm

lostinwales wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:It's this from the mentioned article......

'Marler's team-mate Mako Vunipola says he can "see where Marler is coming from" but is confident referee Craig Joubert will not be influenced by external noise come the weekend.

"We are all human beings. I can't comment on what Marler tweets. You can see where he is coming from, but it's tough. It's one of those things - a reaction," Vunipola said.

"We just have to go out there and do what we can.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I have every confidence in Coley. We are very lucky to have one of the best referees in the world, Craig Joubert.

"We trust he will make the calls that are needed. That World Cup [game] is history."'


WTF?

He's hardly going to say 'Well Joubert is a complete bumhole and the way he handled Scotland Australia in the RWC was a total disgrace. BTW I am pure as the driven snow and anything bad that happens on my side of the scrum will always be the fault of those cheating shackle draggers*'

*Saw that on Green and Gold - as in the results of the tests so far is soap dodgers 1 shackle draggers 0..

No.....

But Marler hopefully might.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 6:12 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
nathan wrote:Anyone else think Moore is pretty much Mr Niggle himself.

I noticed in the first 10 minutes when he was clearing a ruck he kept using his arms in the faces of English players

Moore is a very dirty player, quite an old school hooker really.

Hopefully he'll learn from his opposite number how to conduct himself on a rugby pitch.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 6:30 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
nathan wrote:Anyone else think Moore is pretty much Mr Niggle himself.

I noticed in the first 10 minutes when he was clearing a ruck he kept using his arms in the faces of English players

Moore is a very dirty player, quite an old school hooker really.

Don't think he's dirty but he plays right up to the line. He was definitely looking to intimidate or aggravate the England players. Nothing illegal about a wind up merchant and whilst holding players down with his forearm is a bit naughty he's unlikely to get pulled up for it. Did make me laugh when he complained about England players holding down Aussies off the ball to the ref.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 6:44 pm

I don't think it's a particularly bad thing. You play to the limits and see what you can get away with. I think he's a good player, quite old school.

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Post by SimonofSurrey on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 7:37 pm

boomeranga wrote:It doesn't read like much to me because he says a lot of words that don't support that interpretation.  But if it does to you guys then fair enough.  

I disagree with him that niggle is not our way when we pick Fardy.  He loves it.

boomeranga - you make your point clearly and well, but we're gonna have to agree to disagree. Cheika mentions 'niggle' which by implication can be verbal or physical. If he means the physical - reference to marginally late hits and holding off the ball - let's see the evidence. Either of those is foul play and should be punished as such, provided the hits are late (I'm not sure what 'marginally' late is, it's either legal or illegal.) If he means verbals well, excuse me, but Aussies complaining about verbals/sledging? Someone should give him Steve Waugh's phone number for advice: his teams took it further than anyone ever in any sport. As for Cheika's 'my teams will never play like that', then either he has very bad amnesia and has completely forgotten how other teams viewed his Waratahs or else he's a barefaced you know what. Whatever next? Brian Moore complains the game is getting a little too rough for his liking, especially in the front row. Pffft.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 8:17 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:I don't think it's a particularly bad thing. You play to the limits and see what you can get away with. I think he's a good player, quite old school.

I think you need some aggression and niggle in the front row. No point being overly nice up front. The key is to do it and not get pinged. I think Hartley has lost a little of his edge recently, he's gone from being too aggressive and getting himself into trouble to being too nice and not quite as effective. He needs to find some middle ground. Moore seems to have found that medium and must be rather unpleasant to play against.

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Post by Exiledinborders on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 8:28 pm

jamesandimac wrote:6/2 split does have risks but it shows quite clearly Englands plan for the match, which is to really go after Australia up front.  We saw something very similar in the 6Ns against Italy whereby it was full on for 50/60 mins and then the bench emptied to take the game away.  

I don't think it'll be quite the same as that score but if England do get out of the starting block early and physically impose themselves on the Aussie pack then having those forward replacements coming on will only enhance things.

George is a good move and will keep the set piece ticking once Hartley comes off and I can see Launchbury and Lawes making a big impression with Itoje, Clifford and Vunipola in the back row.

The only problem will be if there are injuries elsewhere to alter the plan.
I certainly approve of the bench changes for this match. I much prefer George to Cowan-Dickie and Clifford should offer impact off the bench. Daly gives a place kicking option in the event of an injury to Farrell.

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Post by lostinwales on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 8:29 pm

Happy enough for Hartley to keep his cool, be the captain, hit his targets in the lineout, do his jobs in the scrum and the loose. These are more important than him 'niggling'. Others can do that job

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Post by Exiledinborders on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 8:37 pm

lostinwales wrote:Happy enough for Hartley to keep his cool, be the captain, hit his targets in the lineout, do his jobs in the scrum and the loose. These are more important than him  'niggling'. Others can do that job
Agreed. If there is one player who you do not want to up the aggression it is Hartley.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 8:44 pm

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Sgt_Pooly wrote:I don't think it's a particularly bad thing. You play to the limits and see what you can get away with. I think he's a good player, quite old school.

I think you need some aggression and niggle in the front row. No point being overly nice up front. The key is to do it and not get pinged. I think Hartley has lost a little of his edge recently, he's gone from being too aggressive and getting himself into trouble to being too nice and not quite as effective. He needs to find some middle ground. Moore seems to have found that medium and must be rather unpleasant to play against.

Hartley has always annoyed me as a hooker. His set piece is generally superb which an absolute must at Int level, no problems there. He's a big unit though, why does he not impose himself around the park more? His carrying is pretty poor and his breakdown work(on the fetching side) mostly non-existent. I really rate him as a hooker, I just wish he added more around the park.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:21 pm

I don't think Hartley has ever really been a big carrier or anything...which has puzzled people. Nevermind for the moment I'm happy to have a real top quality hooker in the set pieces and tight exchanges.

Now I have had a vision....I am not, nor ever will be a fan of Mako. I thought he wasn't all that great on Saturday....however I think there'll have been a little word in his ear and he's going to have an absolute blinder on Saturday...and ive got him down for 2 tries - £100-1 :-)




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Post by kingelderfield on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:32 pm

I think we should accept that deservedly we got the rub from Poite last week and things being what they are we won't necessarily garner the same response from Joubert.

I'm expecting Ozy to bring it all on saturday much like in 01 & 13 where they won both Melbourne 2nd tests. It's too close to call but the way I'm reading it we'll be too strong upfront, however all could be negated by Joubert's interpretations???  We'll need to be extra clean - NO bloody penalties

What a fantastic advertisement for our game, though obviously its a shame this is all in the shadow of the european football and not last autumn when the limelight was ours.

Finally, I could very easily imagine a scenario where both captains/hookers are sent from the field......bring it on indeed.

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Post by kingelderfield on Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:37 pm

I'm thinking all options are on, a blow out either way or more likely it'll be extremely tight.

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Post by doctor_grey on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 12:11 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:I don't think it's a particularly bad thing. You play to the limits and see what you can get away with. I think he's a good player, quite old school.

I think you need some aggression and niggle in the front row. No point being overly nice up front. The key is to do it and not get pinged. I think Hartley has lost a little of his edge recently, he's gone from being too aggressive and getting himself into trouble to being too nice and not quite as effective. He needs to find some middle ground. Moore seems to have found that medium and must be rather unpleasant to play against.

Hartley has always annoyed me as a hooker. His set piece is generally superb which an absolute must at Int level, no problems there. He's a big unit though, why does he not impose himself around the park more? His carrying is pretty poor and his breakdown work(on the fetching side) mostly non-existent. I really rate him as a hooker, I just wish he added more around the park.
Teams seem to perform better when he is playing, though.

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Post by Hood83 on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 8:28 am

nathan wrote:Anyone else think Moore is pretty much Mr Niggle himself.

I noticed in the first 10 minutes when he was clearing a ruck he kept using his arms in the faces of English players


Yep, noticed this as well. I thought Cheka was right that we were hitting people a little late and holding their 9 down a lot, and Itoje was a complete wum. But Moore, as you say, was showing plenty as well.

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Post by robbo277 on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 8:34 am

I was all for George starting the Six Nations before Hartley was made captain, but like with Haskell I think Jones has restricted Hartley's role and told him to just do a few things well. And it's amazing how Haskell just tackled everything in the Six Nations, and now his confidence is up and he's winning turnovers. Think it was three last week, although I don't think they were all Pocock-style jackals. Still, a turnover is a turnover.

I hope we see similar from Hartley, he gets so comfortable in the basics of his game before he starts adding a bit more responsibility carrying etc. These are experienced players with 50+ caps, but both of them seem to have relished the new approach and are playing some of their best rugby.

I still wouldn't be completely averse to George starting more matches possibly in a future series and Hartley (as squad captain) coming on after 55 to close things out, as I think we'll need a second experienced hooker (assuming Youngs is gone) and not having a cool head at the sharp end of games has cost us before.

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Post by beshocked on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 8:55 am

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thomh wrote:Jamesandimac

I think we'll finish with Itoje, Haskell, Clifford. Vunipola's fitness is light years ahead of where it was but in a game like this I'd expect him to drop off, whereas you wouldn't expect to see Haskell being replaced.

It's been a long season too. The England guys have done well so far. I think it's also another reason why it's 6/2 to share the workload in the forwards.

It makes it all the more impressive that England won the first test and managed to see out the game.

After seeing you have a pop at benches in the past we're 1 broken nose from Daly at 12 or wing. Thought that would fill you with dread!

It's not as if I am the only person who has questioned England's bench selections in the past. You say one broken nose away but none of the starting backs have played a few games together now, should be able to handle the situation.

I would be filled more with dread if May was starting!

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 9:15 am

Fair enough, happy with a backline of Ford, Nowell, Daly, Joseph, Watson, Brown? I honestly question this wisdom as I think it's much more vulnerable to anything Lancaster put out. Fingers crossed for a bit of luck here.

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 9:20 am

Farrell is sent of for a high tackle, Ford carried off with concussion after tackling the Aussie centres for 40 minutes- leaving us with a backline of:

Care, Youngs; Nowell, Clifford, Daly, Joseph, Brown (with one short in the pack)

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Post by dgttaylor on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 9:21 am

Plenty of pace.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 9:22 am

EnglandGlory would love Clifford at 12 at least!

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 9:22 am

dgttaylor wrote:Plenty of pace.

True

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Post by Rugby Fan on Fri 17 Jun 2016, 9:23 am

There has been a ton of analysis of last weekend's match, much more than I can recall for any 6N fixture, or even England's World Cup games.

In particular, Green and Gold have had at least a couple of gif-heavy features, and there must be at least a dozen accounts of aspects of the game on The Roar. I also liked that piece on the Irish site linked above.

You don't have to agree with their analysis to recognise that it can all add to appreciation of the sport. It makes some of the guff offered up by the UK papers look weak beer by comparison.


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