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Post by Derbymanc on Sat 11 Jun 2016, 10:15 am

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Hopefully it will stop the arguments about Gib and we can tell Spain to pee off

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 6:54 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:There are two EU referendum polls in the Sunday papers – YouGov in the Sunday Times and Opinium in the Observer. Both of them have the race neck-and-neck: YouGov have REMAIN 49%, LEAVE 51%, Opinium have REMAIN 51%, LEAVE 49%. Tables for YouGov are here, for Opinium are here.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

Leave winning now, 52-48 ahead on the poll of polls.

http://whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/poll-of-polls/

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 6:55 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
My IQ is in the top 2% of the country, but thanks for the concern. thumbsup

AHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA

This thread has peaked. This forum has peaked.

Truly, my dear fellow. Did you have the ghastly 'gifted and talented' thing when you were at school?

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Post by Hero on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 7:03 pm

Nice and classy there Leave, nice and classy!

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 7:10 pm

Hero wrote:Nice and classy there Leave, nice and classy!

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I've always preferred the bury-one's-head-in-the-sand approach, myself.

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Post by ShahenshahG on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 7:22 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Hero wrote:Nice and classy there Leave, nice and classy!

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I've always preferred the bury-one's-head-in-the-sand approach, myself.

Yup. Home grown psycho kills 50 innocents, time to police the borders and stop em coming in Rolling Eyes

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 7:36 pm

Home-grown psycho motivated by Islam in this wonderful time of Ramadan*

For the sake of accuracy, you understand.

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Post by ShahenshahG on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 7:46 pm

Duty281 wrote:Home-grown psycho motivated by Islam in this wonderful time of Ramadan*

For the sake of accuracy, you understand.

I love how you're such a stickler for accuracy when it's in your favour but ok.

A home grown psycho motivated by Islam in this wonderful time of Ramadan kills 50 innocents. Lets close the borders to prevent more coming over and shooting us. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Hero on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 7:52 pm

Of course though it's the Remain campaign that is steeped in promoting fear.

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 7:54 pm

Hero wrote:Of course though it's the Remain campaign that is steeped in promoting fear.

Technically, the problem our country has with Islam is separate to our relationship with the EU.

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Post by JuliusHMarx on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 8:00 pm

The Leave campaign seem to have forgotten Hungerford and Dunblane. No sense of British history, that's their problem.

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Post by Alex_Germany on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 8:20 pm

Hero wrote:Of course though it's the Remain campaign that is steeped in promoting fear.

Some of the Brexit fear:
- Islamic terrorism (as in the poster)
- Turkey will join the EU
- The EU will requisition our army
- We'll be swamped by Syrian migrants if we don't leave

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Post by Duty281 on Mon 13 Jun 2016, 10:01 pm

Orb Phone Poll:

Remain 49%
Leave 44%


Another huge swing to Leave, as a 12 point deficit goes to 5. Amongst those 'certain to vote', Leave has a lead of 49-48.

EU referendum poll:
Remain: 39% (-3)
Leave: 46% (+3)
(via YouGov, online)


And yeah, another big swing to Leave. One point lead become seven!

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Post by Hero on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:04 am

Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU:

• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECD
• Sir David Attenborough

Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU:

• Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave
• A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick
• That idiot that was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system
• Leader of UKIP
• BNP
• Britain First
• Donald Trump
• Keith Chegwin
• David Icke

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Post by Hero on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:05 am

It's a cut and paste above but I'm sure Duty will find some others to add in the Leave list like the JCB guy and Right Said Fred.

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Post by Ent on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:25 am

And whoever put that a4 poster up on the phonebox round the corner from me.

"Vote leave, we don't need;
An eu parliament
An eu army
Eu immigrants

So why pay for them"

Also don't forget the DUP, a party of creationists who think the world is a few thousand years old. Amongst other things they are horrendously homophobic and oppose the marriage of Protestants to Catholics.

We should also stick it to them on that list, what do these "experts" really know?

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Post by JuliusHMarx on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:50 am

Hero wrote:It's a cut and paste above but I'm sure Duty will find some others to add in the Leave list like the JCB guy and Right Said Fred.

They are deeply dippy.

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Post by Alex_Germany on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 7:14 am

Strictly speaking, the Governor of the Bank of England is neither For or Against a Brexit. He is duty bound to remain neutral on that.

All he has done is point out some of the disastrous economic consequences of a Brexit - which is within his remit.

He's not qualified to talk about softer issues, such as the loss of influence that the UK would suffer.

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:06 am

Alex_Germany wrote:Strictly speaking, the Governor of the Bank of England is neither For or Against a Brexit. He is duty bound to remain neutral on that.

All he has done is point out some of the disastrous economic consequences of a Brexit - which is within his remit.

He's not qualified to talk about softer issues, such as the loss of influence that the UK would suffer.

Look at all the current party leaders.

That's what will cause the lack of influence. Not us leaving.


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Post by Alex_Germany on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:29 am

Given the choices for the next US President, even a chimp like Corbyn might get some influence Smile

But whoever it is, an isolated, poorer England will not have much influence.

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Post by superflyweight on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 9:50 am

Keith Chegwin is for Leave? That's swung my vote.

Keith is an alcoholic which just goes to show that Cheggers can't be boozers.*

* not my own work.

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Post by Corporalhumblebucket on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 10:49 am

Roll up! Roll up! Vote Brexit for the gift that keeps on giving.

Whatever the need - making good the lost EU funding of scientific research, continuing the EU farming subsidies, maintaining the aid for poorer regions in UK, increasing the funding of NHS beyond levels already planned; .... you name it.  Brexit will pay for it!  This is genuine MAGIC MONEY - which never runs out no matter how many times you spend it.

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Post by Guest on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 10:53 am

Corporalhumblebucket wrote:Roll up! Roll up! Vote Brexit for the gift that keeps on giving.

Whatever the need - making good the lost EU funding of scientific research, continuing the EU farming subsidies, maintaining the aid for poorer regions in UK, increasing the funding of NHS beyond levels already planned; .... you name it.  Brexit will pay for it!  This is genuine MAGIC MONEY - which never runs out no matter how many times you spend it.
It that line taken from every Banking shindig ever held?

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 10:59 am

Alex_Germany wrote:Given the choices for the next US President, even a chimp like Corbyn might get some influence Smile

But whoever it is, an isolated, poorer England will not have much influence.

What is influence?  Is it always political or can it be cultural, philosophical, medical?

Plus... you see how you use the word 'England' to describe the 'UK' - so much for cultural distinctions being remembered Wink

England/UK had much influence before the EU was formed and it would continue to have influence throughout the world with an exit.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:02 am

The poorer regions in Wales certainly don't see any of this money? Taxes from England and Wales seem to be going outside the UK, rather than inside it. I think most Brexiters know we also need a change in government (for the love of god labour just elect a good leader) but to be fair to Cameron he has listened to what the populous wanted; he took all of the proposals to EU (where he has to get his permission to spend lunch money ffs) only to have them rejected by Brussels and Merkel. Might this government operate differently outside of the EU?

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:06 am

Duty281 wrote:
Hero wrote:Nice and classy there Leave, nice and classy!

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I've always preferred the bury-one's-head-in-the-sand approach, myself.


Can someone explain to me how voting Leave will assist in any way in preventing something like the Orlando shootings (or another July bombing) happening in the UK? The US, after all, is not a member of the EU.

I've said many times that the campaigning on both sides has reached some lows, but that's pretty dreadful.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:13 am

Corporalhumblebucket wrote:Roll up! Roll up! Vote Brexit for the gift that keeps on giving.

Whatever the need - making good the lost EU funding of scientific research, continuing the EU farming subsidies, maintaining the aid for poorer regions in UK, increasing the funding of NHS beyond levels already planned; .... you name it.  Brexit will pay for it!  This is genuine MAGIC MONEY - which never runs out no matter how many times you spend it.

More like a MAGIC EQUATION.

What is EU funding?  Does the UK get free MAGIC MONEY from the EU?

Telegraph 2012:

"In total since 1979, Britain has paid in about €260 billion (£228 billion). It has received back  in benefits just €163 billion (£143 billion). The difference of €97 billion (£85 billion at today’s exchange rate) has been Britain’s subsidy to the European project."

So you support the Illusion that you can put money into a cardboard box, leave it for a week, go back to it again to withdraw less than you put in, and yet have more money to spend on the research and farms and poorer regions?

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Post by Coxy001 on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:14 am

mikey_dragon wrote:The poorer regions in Wales certainly don't see any of this money? Taxes from England and Wales seem to be going outside the UK, rather than inside it. I think most Brexiters know we also need a change in government (for the love of god labour just elect a good leader) but to be fair to Cameron he has listened to what the populous wanted; he took all of the proposals to EU (where he has to get his permission to spend lunch money ffs) only to have them rejected by Brussels and Merkel. Might this government operate differently outside of the EU?

I can't directly quote which regions it goes to but 'Wales' an an all encompassing entity receives something like £8bn more than it puts in to the EU. Read the figure this morning and am a bit busy to dig it out.

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Post by Coxy001 on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:24 am

SecretFly wrote:
Corporalhumblebucket wrote:Roll up! Roll up! Vote Brexit for the gift that keeps on giving.

Whatever the need - making good the lost EU funding of scientific research, continuing the EU farming subsidies, maintaining the aid for poorer regions in UK, increasing the funding of NHS beyond levels already planned; .... you name it.  Brexit will pay for it!  This is genuine MAGIC MONEY - which never runs out no matter how many times you spend it.

More like a MAGIC EQUATION.

What is EU funding?  Does the UK get free MAGIC MONEY from the EU?

Telegraph 2012:

"In total since 1979, Britain has paid in about €260 billion (£228 billion). It has received back  in benefits just €163 billion (£143 billion). The difference of €97 billion (£85 billion at today’s exchange rate) has been Britain’s subsidy to the European project."

So you support the Illusion that you can put money into a cardboard box, leave it for a week, go back to it again to withdraw less than you put in, and yet have more money to spend on the research and farms and poorer regions?

You obviously support some sort of make believe illusion. How much was our total spend in that period?

Because we spend about 0.7% of our total spend on EU membership.

How much was withdrawn by investors panicking the other day? £77bn in one day.

How much do we net pay the EU a year? £9bn.

How much economic benefit do we have from being in the single market with no barriers/tariffs being applied? £62bn-78bn per financial year

Dear, dear me.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:27 am

Duty281 wrote:Orb Phone Poll:

Remain 49%
Leave 44%


Another huge swing to Leave, as a 12 point deficit goes to 5. Amongst those 'certain to vote', Leave has a lead of 49-48.

EU referendum poll:
Remain: 39% (-3)
Leave: 46% (+3)
(via YouGov, online)


And yeah, another big swing to Leave. One point lead become seven!

The phone poll is the more telling. Online polls are notoriously inaccurate.

Still, worrying times for the UK. There's no doubt that the Leave campaign (and now the Sun) are making headway and have the momentum. The messages are simple and the politics effective: Focus on immigration (EU immigrants are stealing our jobs and driving down wages), stay away from economics (Remain are just peddling "Project Fear", don't believe a word of it) and try to sound positive and patriotic (The Sun headline today is on point - BeLeave in Britain - as if voting to Remain is somehow doubting Britain). That's it. That's the campaign.

I tip my hat to Leave, I really do. If they do win, I just hope that they can deliver on all these promises. I will hold them to that. I will be expecting nothing less than significantly increased spending on the NHS (time to ramp up that spending Prime Minister Johnson and Chancellor Gove), free trade deals around the world on better terms than those achieved by the EU, free movement of persons and workers throughout the EU, no requirements for our legislation to be equivalent to the EU in any respect, absolutely no contribution to the EU budget whatsoever, closed borders using a points based immigration system, red tape for businesses to be slashed (but with workers' rights maintained) and, importantly, no acts of terrorism to occur in the UK. Any less and they will have lied.

So depressing.

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:28 am

Hero wrote:It's a cut and paste above but I'm sure Duty will find some others to add in the Leave list like the JCB guy and Right Said Fred.

Other people voting Leave:

Mr. Dyson
John Cleese
Jeremy Corbyn
7 million Tory voters
3.6 million Labour voters
3.8 million UKIP voters
800,000 Lib Dems

Or to put it in a simple way - the majority of this country.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:40 am

Coxy001 wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Corporalhumblebucket wrote:Roll up! Roll up! Vote Brexit for the gift that keeps on giving.

Whatever the need - making good the lost EU funding of scientific research, continuing the EU farming subsidies, maintaining the aid for poorer regions in UK, increasing the funding of NHS beyond levels already planned; .... you name it.  Brexit will pay for it!  This is genuine MAGIC MONEY - which never runs out no matter how many times you spend it.

More like a MAGIC EQUATION.

What is EU funding?  Does the UK get free MAGIC MONEY from the EU?

Telegraph 2012:

"In total since 1979, Britain has paid in about €260 billion (£228 billion). It has received back  in benefits just €163 billion (£143 billion). The difference of €97 billion (£85 billion at today’s exchange rate) has been Britain’s subsidy to the European project."

So you support the Illusion that you can put money into a cardboard box, leave it for a week, go back to it again to withdraw less than you put in, and yet have more money to spend on the research and farms and poorer regions?

You obviously support some sort of make believe illusion. How much was our total spend in that period?

Because we spend about 0.7% of our total spend on EU membership.

How much was withdrawn by investors panicking the other day? £77bn in one day.

How much do we net pay the EU a year? £9bn.

How much economic benefit do we have from being in the single market with no barriers/tariffs being applied? £62bn-78bn per financial year

Dear, dear me.

Dear, dear me indeed. The rabbit is out of the Magician's hat. I wonder is he the one from Wonderland? You know, the little guy with the pocket watch, panicking about nothing - telling us all it isn't a trick, the EU is actually a Good Fairy Godmother.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:43 am

mikey_dragon wrote:The poorer regions in Wales certainly don't see any of this money? Taxes from England and Wales seem to be going outside the UK, rather than inside it. I think most Brexiters know we also need a change in government (for the love of god labour just elect a good leader) but to be fair to Cameron he has listened to what the populous wanted; he took all of the proposals to EU (where he has to get his permission to spend lunch money ffs) only to have them rejected by Brussels and Merkel. Might this government operate differently outside of the EU?

That really isn't what happened at all. He won on some points, lost on others. That's how negotiations work, and you'd better get used to them if we vote Leave. The next 10 years will be dedicated to employing a new army of civil servants to negotiate our new place in the world - not just with the EU, but with ROW.

As for Brexiters hoping for a change in Govt., what exactly do you have in mind? You mention Labour electing a "good leader": what about Dennis Skinner, Gisela Stuart or perhaps George Galloway? Those are the Labour/Respect politician in favour of Leave. All leading members of the Labour Party with sensible leadership aspirations are pro-European, in most cases fiercely so.

What you'll get is the Tory party re-elected with the Eurosceptics at the helm. Boris Johnson will almost certainly be PM, with Gove likely to be Home Secretary or Chancellor. We can probably expect someone like Theresa May to stay about - she's stayed away from the debate for political reasons - and I imagine there will be a post for Farage or Carswell in order to unite UKIP and the Tories. This will happen quickly, as Cameron will resign. Probably this year.

Labour and Lib Dems will need to reinvent themselves, in much the same way as the Tories following devolution. Problem is that potential party saviours (e.g. David Miliband) will probably just stay away from all of this. Post-Leave there will be a bit of a mess, with Sterling and the markets widely expected to crash. I can't see a challenge to the Tories after a Leave, and probably the election after that. I see a Leave as guaranteeing at least 8 further years of Tory majority govt. At least. It would be very odd to vote for a staunchly pro-European party to do all the post-Leave negotiating and dealing with the fallout of a scenario they fiercely oppose.

Just my forecasting of course.

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Post by Alex_Germany on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:46 am

Duty281 wrote:
Hero wrote:It's a cut and paste above but I'm sure Duty will find some others to add in the Leave list like the JCB guy and Right Said Fred.

Other people voting Leave:

Mr. Dyson
John Cleese
Jeremy Corbyn
7 million Tory voters
3.6 million Labour voters
3.8 million UKIP voters
800,000 Lib Dems

Or to put it in a simple way - the majority of this country.

If you want to see who is likely to vote for Brexit:
http://prntscr.com/bbuo5n
(Done a week or so ago, before the swing).

If you're an old Express reader with no qualifications, you're voting Brexit.

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Post by Coxy001 on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:48 am

SecretFly wrote:
Coxy001 wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Corporalhumblebucket wrote:Roll up! Roll up! Vote Brexit for the gift that keeps on giving.

Whatever the need - making good the lost EU funding of scientific research, continuing the EU farming subsidies, maintaining the aid for poorer regions in UK, increasing the funding of NHS beyond levels already planned; .... you name it.  Brexit will pay for it!  This is genuine MAGIC MONEY - which never runs out no matter how many times you spend it.

More like a MAGIC EQUATION.

What is EU funding?  Does the UK get free MAGIC MONEY from the EU?

Telegraph 2012:

"In total since 1979, Britain has paid in about €260 billion (£228 billion). It has received back  in benefits just €163 billion (£143 billion). The difference of €97 billion (£85 billion at today’s exchange rate) has been Britain’s subsidy to the European project."

So you support the Illusion that you can put money into a cardboard box, leave it for a week, go back to it again to withdraw less than you put in, and yet have more money to spend on the research and farms and poorer regions?

You obviously support some sort of make believe illusion. How much was our total spend in that period?

Because we spend about 0.7% of our total spend on EU membership.

How much was withdrawn by investors panicking the other day? £77bn in one day.

How much do we net pay the EU a year? £9bn.

How much economic benefit do we have from being in the single market with no barriers/tariffs being applied? £62bn-78bn per financial year

Dear, dear me.

Dear, dear me indeed.  The rabbit is out of the Magician's hat.  I wonder is he the one from Wonderland?  You know, the little guy with the pocket watch, panicking about nothing - telling us all it isn't a trick, the EU is actually a Good Fairy Godmother.

No, the single market is a good fairy godmother. Something we quite simply will not have access to on the terms you leave fairies think we will. It is very, very simple as to why:

The risk of the EU falling apart is pretty immense at present. The only signal the EU could send to stop others going the same way would be to basically make an example of us that says "look at those guys, they went and now we're giving them never ending slaps on the bottom over our knee... you want to do the same you'll get the same treatment".

We will never in a month of Sundays get access to the single market without tariffs being rammed up are arses. This whole "but the EU will still want to trade with us is a bullsh*t statement of the highest order. Would they rather A) Give us whatever we want to keep trading with us or B) Keep the EU intact by making examples and that the loss of the UK doesn't get near to outweighing what would happen if the EU were to disintegrate...?

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:48 am

Duty281 wrote:
Hero wrote:It's a cut and paste above but I'm sure Duty will find some others to add in the Leave list like the JCB guy and Right Said Fred.

Other people voting Leave:

Mr. Dyson
John Cleese
Jeremy Corbyn
7 million Tory voters
3.6 million Labour voters
3.8 million UKIP voters
800,000 Lib Dems

Or to put it in a simple way - the majority of this country.

You just made that up! But I'm pleased you included John Cleese, I can see why his view is important.

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:49 am

Alex_Germany wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Hero wrote:It's a cut and paste above but I'm sure Duty will find some others to add in the Leave list like the JCB guy and Right Said Fred.

Other people voting Leave:

Mr. Dyson
John Cleese
Jeremy Corbyn
7 million Tory voters
3.6 million Labour voters
3.8 million UKIP voters
800,000 Lib Dems

Or to put it in a simple way - the majority of this country.

If you want to see who is likely to vote for Brexit:
http://prntscr.com/bbuo5n
(Done a week or so ago, before the swing).

If you're an old Express reader with no qualifications, you're voting Brexit.

I'm a Guardian-reading 20-year-old fag with a handful of A-Levels who lives in Yorkshire.

I love being a minority.

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:50 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Hero wrote:It's a cut and paste above but I'm sure Duty will find some others to add in the Leave list like the JCB guy and Right Said Fred.

Other people voting Leave:

Mr. Dyson
John Cleese
Jeremy Corbyn
7 million Tory voters
3.6 million Labour voters
3.8 million UKIP voters
800,000 Lib Dems

Or to put it in a simple way - the majority of this country.

You just made that up! But I'm pleased you included John Cleese, I can see why his view is important.

I think he cancels out Simon Schama, in truth.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:55 am

Duty281 wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Hero wrote:It's a cut and paste above but I'm sure Duty will find some others to add in the Leave list like the JCB guy and Right Said Fred.

Other people voting Leave:

Mr. Dyson
John Cleese
Jeremy Corbyn
7 million Tory voters
3.6 million Labour voters
3.8 million UKIP voters
800,000 Lib Dems

Or to put it in a simple way - the majority of this country.

You just made that up! But I'm pleased you included John Cleese, I can see why his view is important.

I think he cancels out Simon Schama, in truth.


True, although my vote cancels out Nigel Farage, which fills me with joy.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 11:56 am

Duty281 wrote:
Alex_Germany wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Hero wrote:It's a cut and paste above but I'm sure Duty will find some others to add in the Leave list like the JCB guy and Right Said Fred.

Other people voting Leave:

Mr. Dyson
John Cleese
Jeremy Corbyn
7 million Tory voters
3.6 million Labour voters
3.8 million UKIP voters
800,000 Lib Dems

Or to put it in a simple way - the majority of this country.

If you want to see who is likely to vote for Brexit:
http://prntscr.com/bbuo5n
(Done a week or so ago, before the swing).

If you're an old Express reader with no qualifications, you're voting Brexit.

I'm a Guardian-reading 20-year-old fag with a handful of A-Levels who lives in Yorkshire.

I love being a minority.


Oh good, well you'll be pleased with the result on the 23rd.... Wink

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Post by ShahenshahG on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:04 pm

Dyson is Jobs mark 2. Excellent marketer of OK products at very high prices. He also threw a fit and left the f*cking country after telling everyone else to believe in Britain. In effect a faux patriot who wanted to join the Euro and was put back in his place for the money grabbing scummer that he is. Dyson hasnt the interest of this country at heart.

In 1998, Dyson was one of the chairmen and chief executives of the twenty FTSE 100 companies who signed a statement published in The Financial Times in 1998 calling on the government for early British membership of the Eurozone.[22] He claimed that failure to join the Euro would lead to the destruction of the British manufacturing base and said: "It does not mean that the jobs will go tomorrow but will drift abroad over a period and the longer-term future of Britain as a manufacturing nation will be blighted. Ministers had better understand that if we delay entry too long there may be nothing left to save."[23]

Claiming that the strength of the pound was affecting his company's profits on exports to France and Germany, in February 2000 Dyson threatened to shift focus from his Malmesbury plant to a new plant set up in Malaysia because the government would not join the euro. He said: "We would expect to double in size in the next two years. We are talking about a £100 million investment and up to 2,000 jobs. I would like to make that investment in the UK. But it seems that is not going to be possible. The value of sterling means we are struggling to compete at home with cheap imports from Europe and the Far East. We do around £40 million worth of export business with France and Germany each year but we aren't making any money. If we joined the euro we would be on an even footing with our biggest trading partners."[24]

An editorial published by The Times responded: "Mr Dyson, a manufacturing version of Sir Richard Branson, likes complaining. Yesterday he was complaining that Britain's failure to join the Euro and the resultant strong Pound will force him to move abroad. Last week he blamed the price of land and planning delays in Wiltshire, but never mind. So where will he go? To Portugal, Italy or to an EU candidate such as Poland? No, Mr Dyson threatens to go to the Far East. Like so many entrepreneurs, he wants a cheap currency and low interest rates, but also low inflation, low wages, a flexible labour market and low regulation. He will not find them in the eurozone."[25] Lord Tebbit, a former Secretary of State for Trade and Industry, also questioned Dyson's motives and said: "[W]hat still puzzles me is why such a euro-enthusiast as [Mr] Dyson does not intend to establish his new factory in Europe if he can't have it in Britain."[26]

In 2014, Dyson said he would now be voting to leave the European Union to avoid being "dominated and bullied by the Germans".[27]

Corbyn is ambiguous. Someone said corb yn was the leader of the meh faction on Europe and I think that was kinda spot on.

Cleese is hardly more credible than Chegwin. Especially as I've yet to hear something that he wasn't angry about at some point or other.

The rest is just a guess and I suspect one that will be proven false on the day.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:07 pm

Jeremy Corbyn is not ambiguous. He is campaigning for Remain, and indicating his intention to vote for Remain. Sure, he's not a die hard pro-European like the New Labour members of his party, or the Lib Dems for that matter, and he's been quite forthright and honest as to the pros and cons of the EU, but he's made his voting intentions perfectly clear.

Chalking him down as a Leave voter is just wrong, and makes you wonder why you'd feel the need to do that. Could it possibly be that the list of authoritative voices voting Leave is rather on the thin side??

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Post by Hero on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:08 pm

Didn't Corbyn appear on The Last Leg on Friday as part of the Remain campaign?

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:13 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36523759

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:15 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:Could it possibly be that the list of authoritative voices voting Leave is rather on the thin side??

It was a joke, my dear fellow.

Who cares about 'authoritative voices' - people should be capable of thinking for themselves and arriving at their own conclusion.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:19 pm

This EU needs shock therapy before it contemplates a change of direction and a fundamental reorganisation of itself, it's principles, it's role, it's structures.  

It isn't going to listen to speeches from any single member Nation warning that its folks aren't happy.  If you're inside and shouting from within, it doesn't care.  You're only a cog and you can be smothered.

The EU is pig headed, didactic and dangerous.  It's too comfortable and smug as it's officials and MEPs and Commissioners walk around lovely Power-is-Good buildings/offices using up all their lovely daily/weekly/yearly expenses, hopping off planes, having the wine evenings and business lunches.  Hopping back home for weekends with the mistresses...or is that wives/husbands?.... not sure Wink  
A grand old adventure of the jet-set life, funded by the little ignorant people.  "Don't you worry about a thing, folks.  You watch your soaps.  We'll look after the details for you.  We'll look after the figures. We'll protect you and put you to bed with a cuddle and a kiss."  

The EU is a plush, smug, self-important coven, designing a future that only solidifies its own importance and in turn ups the lush fees and expenses for its grandees.  It's a gravy train Lobby Park where big business comes to offer treats and trinkets for legislation that might help their expansions and share prices.

The EEC good - workable - of mutual benefit to close neighbours.  The EU Parliament needs to be cemented over like the carcass of a Nuclear powerplant that went into meltdown.

And that will only happen with a few seismic body blows.  A UK exit would only be a first step.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:20 pm

Duty281 wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:Could it possibly be that the list of authoritative voices voting Leave is rather on the thin side??

It was a joke, my dear fellow.

Who cares about 'authoritative voices' - people should be capable of thinking for themselves and arriving at their own conclusion.

Well on this we are certainly agreed, although the history of The Sun swinging voters at key political elections tells me that this is not the case in practice. Sadly and predictably The Sun officially came out the morning in favour of Leave. Preaching to the converted I suspect.

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Post by Rowley on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:24 pm

Duty281 wrote:

Who cares about 'authoritative voices' -

Anybody who is not arrogant enough to believe themselves an expert on every subject known to man should.

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:26 pm

Rowley wrote:
Duty281 wrote:

Who cares about 'authoritative voices' -

Anybody who is not arrogant enough to believe themselves an expert on every subject known to man should.

With regards to this referendum, dear boy.


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Post by superflyweight on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:29 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Rowley wrote:
Duty281 wrote:

Who cares about 'authoritative voices' -

Anybody who is not arrogant enough to believe themselves an expert on every subject known to man should.

With regards to this referendum, dear boy.


Grown man uses phrase "dear boy" to imply a wit not otherwise evidenced.

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Post by Duty281 on Tue 14 Jun 2016, 12:32 pm

superflyweight wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Rowley wrote:
Duty281 wrote:

Who cares about 'authoritative voices' -

Anybody who is not arrogant enough to believe themselves an expert on every subject known to man should.

With regards to this referendum, dear boy.


Grown man uses phrase "dear boy" to imply a wit not otherwise evidenced.  

Now, now, my darling, let us not act in such a way.

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